Risia Ice Games

[DogMania]

I have just been onto the Lam server and the games are up with the same upgrades as previous years EXCEPT that now putting Icy Burst on a weapon will now increase the ML by +4 so all u guys/girls that are holding onto fairly decent weapons with the hope of putting Icy Burst on may find that you will now not be able to use it.
I can understand why this has been done as some of the non named new loot is already powerfull and putting Icy Burst on it would make it awesome BUT what about the lower level loot that now will with the +4 ML make it not worth while?.
Obviously as this is only on Lam it may change before going live but I thought I would bring it to your attention now so that your comments can be read by the Devs.
Please note that I personaly am not worried either way about this and have made the post for info only

[Aeron1976]

Hi,

that would be a very bad change and make Risia mostly useless, since the special benefit (to me at least) was that you could have nice lowbie wepons e.g +1 Acid PG w Icy ML4. If this changes to ML8 now its close to worthless to me.

Hope the Devs change it before it goes live!

Any info what happens to older Icy Bursted weapons?

[arminius]

I'd also be curious what happens to weapons that are ML 21 or higher.

You're right that this does sound like a change that will make the games useless or nearly so. I wish I had enough confidence in the devs to say that this change is even intentional. For all we know your thread is the first they've heard of it.

[shadereaper33]

Sweet, another event that I can completely ignore. Thanks for the heads up.

[smatt]

IMO the ice games sucks soccer balls... They lag out the entire server... The loot is junk.... Waste of time and resources... But hey I guess there are people that like playing Mario Brothers DDO style :rolleyes: And nwo we have teh Ice Races... Yippee more laged out mess....

[MartinusWyllt]

If this will retroactively increase ML lots of us will lose.

Maybe add an option to the altar to remove applied effects?

[ThreeEyedBob]

If this is the case then that is complete ********, pardon my french...

I thought this game was about fun? Why the hell change years old stuff like this?

What does an Icy Burst extra damage on an already very powerful weapon change? If its such a big problem then just block out the 20+ weapons.

I love this game but sometimes I wonder if there is a little mole inside Turbine trying whatever they can to destroy the game. Probably a secret Blizzard employee or NCSoft (Neverwinter) agent. I recommend an inquisition!

[Galeria]

There go my level 2 TRing weapons...

How odd that it is ok to massively overpower some items then nerf others into uselessness...

[Daemoneyes]

Oh great now all the Holy of Lacerating Weapons i collected are useless. :(
That leaves me with exactly 1 lvl25 Weapon to upgrade, guess these Games wont be as much played as last year. Well at least i wont have to run that lagrace :p

[Miow]

I had some nice holy lacerating handwraps...now i'm sad.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

So....

Can we expect the items we currently have, love and use regularly to be all of as sudden ML 4 higher when Risia goes live?

I've got to get my strongly worded rant ready.

I'm really enjoying the damage and versatility of the BTA +1 Festival Icy Burst Holy of Pure Good longsword on my current bard life.

and the Lootgen Elf, Helf, Drow ML8 +3 Icy Burst Holy of Bleed Handwraps on my monk lives....



ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG ELF ELF ELF, GOLDURNED ELFING ELFER ELF!~!!!!!!!!@!@!#~!#~!#~

[Jorge_2070]

Yet another unnecessary, unneeded, unwanted, uncalled for nerf to something that really wasn't overpowered or broken, and can only be done at select times of year. And it will affect melee, most of all, 'cause we all know melee are *so* overpowered... how's a poor little caster to compete?!? :rolleyes:

Thanks devs... for nothing.

Well, looks like I'll be skipping out on the Ice Games this year and prolly forever, until they reverse this drooling-in-your-soup ******** decision. The only thing I will likely have to do with the Ice Games now is to fix my glaciation item that THE DEVS BROKE! :mad: Of course, that's only if the *let* me fix it, since it's a ring, not a weapon. :mad::mad:

And honestly, I'm starting to wonder if the breaking of those items wasn't intentional, to weed out all the rings and the other non-weapon items people made, before they made that lame change. :(

Thanks guys! You saved me a bunch of bank space and time agonizing on which items of the several items I'd love to Icy that I would actually upgrade. I guess that's something... :rolleyes:

[Karadon_II]

This is the single worst thing to happen to the game since...

...the last single worst thing to happen to the game. Booooo etc.

[IronClan]

If they do this I wont spend whole weekends jumping/racing... I wont bother at all.

If they make it a retroactive +4 ML then I'll take another break... Because as much as I'm not about "I'm quitting" announcements on forums I am also not going to waste my time playing a game that is going to take a big giant s**t on the hundred+ hours I spent mindnumbingly ice jumping for purples.

Hopefully I've misunderstood and their wont be a retroactive nerf, but I am not optimistic considering what they did to Risia Glaciation.

On the bright side I wont feel compelled to spend any time doing Risia, so maybe I'll catch up on my Steam catalog with my play time.

[Gkar]

I have just been onto the Lam server and the games are up with the same upgrades as previous years EXCEPT that now putting Icy Burst on a weapon will now increase the ML by +4 so all u guys/girls that are holding onto fairly decent weapons with the hope of putting Icy Burst on may find that you will now not be able to use it.

Wow that would pretty much kill the games off. Especially with crafting out there, the only point of icey bursting weapons was that it didn't raise the ML.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

Wow that would pretty much kill the games off. Especially with crafting out there, the only point of icey bursting weapons was that it didn't raise the ML.

I would agree that this will reduce interest in the games for many and it may decrease my time investment in collecting said coins. I also would not like to see already existing items having their ML adjusted, but this has been done before (think about the crafted items with the combat bonuses).

However I seem to have a slightly different opinion than some/most regarding icyburst applications. It you are looking for a nice twink item adding frost/icyburst with no ML inclrease is certainly nice but even if the ML is raised it still increases the value and usefulness of random generated weapons. Which is better Holy of PG or Holy of PG w/Icyburst? Well as long as you are of a high enough level to use it and the creature is not immune to cold then the later weapon is better (more DPS).

Of course it would also not suprise me that the ML increase on Lamannia is a mistake.

You would think that such a change would prompt an annoucement, more so once it hit the forums....

[Ganolyn]

:mad::mad::mad::(:(:(

[Postumus]

So....

Can we expect the items we currently have, love and use regularly to be all of as sudden ML 4 higher when Risia goes live?



This is how I felt when all of my crafted items with Stability suddenly jumped by 5-6 levels after MoTU. What can you do?

[Xynot2]

IMO the ice games sucks soccer balls... They lag out the entire server... The loot is junk.... Waste of time and resources... But hey I guess there are people that like playing Mario Brothers DDO style :rolleyes: And nwo we have teh Ice Races... Yippee more laged out mess....

They make me rich every year so I find them VERY useful.

[phillymiket]

Wow.

If the Risia stuff is retroactively changed then I'll just vendor all of my Risia crafted weapons as I barely use them as it is.

That would completely nullify all the effort I had put in to crafting them.

If the Risia ritual adds +4 lv then I won't be jumping this year.

If it retroactively changes my old stuff then that will suck because I know for all future events i'll always wonder if I'm just wasting my time making more things that will be changed to useless later.

I understand that when things like a spell pass happens things will become useless like some of the CC gear.

Also like the CC dagger, I understand when a mistake is made and an item is clearly OP then it must be corrected.

However, these weapons are no more powerful then they were introduced.

Why change it now?
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[Azithoth]

i wish they would realize when to just leave things alone

[Xynot2]

I have the old ice on a total of 3 weapons. Never found it extremely useful or something I must have. Never found it worth the time except my first Risa when it was new and shiny to me. Now I just collect what I can and sell it all. especially the recipes.

[phillymiket]

Side question

Are we allowed to discuss Lam on the regular forums?

I can't recall if that was always disallowed or just durring new content.
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[ThreeEyedBob]

Side question

Are we allowed to discuss Lam on the regular forums?

I can't recall if that was always disallowed or just durring new content.
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Well its highly relevant to the game so I dont see why not. There was no mention of this on the Lammania forums though.

This kind of thing reminds me of the Reconstruct nerf they tried to slide in and caused an outcry. It's not of the same magnitude offcourse, but its a completely unnecessary nerf of something that has a miniscule impact in gameplay compared to the negative impact on the community.

[EllisDee37]

It is ridiculous that risia rituals add to the ML. That was the sum total of their appeal, not adding to ML. I can just use cannith crafting to raise the ML.

Hey, is it exploitable? Cannith crafting caps at ML20. If risia now adds levels cannith-crafting style, does that mean if I add risia icy burst to my +6 holy burst of superior bloodletting (ML25) it will get capped down to ML20?

Hopefully this is the case, as that would at least motivate them to undo this epic fail. Seriously, devs, way to completely miss the point.

[Dawnsfire]

If it stays that way, I guess it will save me time and money.

[EllisDee37]

I think this deserves a thread with the nerf mentioned in the thread title.

Also, if it adds to ML we should be able to apply risia to crafted gear.

[MrkGrismer]

Side question

Are we allowed to discuss Lam on the regular forums?

I can't recall if that was always disallowed or just durring new content.
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From past experience you are allowed to discus Lam, but a lot of time they will move the thread to the Lam forums, as that is were discussion about Lam perhaps more properly belongs. A lot of times with stuff like this it is better to bring it up on Lam as it seems to get more developer attention, and when a thread about a change 'goes epic' sometimes they change it to something else (not necessarily better).

[nikos1313]

2/1/2013 and we already know whats the worst thing in DDO this year...

at least, lets hope this will be the only bad thing..

EDIT: i guess it will not affect the weapons that already have the effect on them, right?!

[badbob117]

That's no fun at all if it raises the level of items. Ugh. Way to kill a fest!

[Karadon_II]

Actually don't I recall that during the last Ice Games, that the text which says something like "adding this modification will raise the items minimum level by +4" or whatever but it actually didn't raise the level when you applied the ritual?

[Dawnsfire]

EDIT: i guess it will not affect the weapons that already have the effect on them, right?!

They have grandfathered things like this before but I'm not certain it will happen this time.

[Eighnuss]

No nerfation without representation. Boycott ice games, embargo ddo store.

Let us fill Boston Harbor once more- not with Tea, but with Motes of Winter

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Boston_Tea_Party_Currier_colored.jpg

[Azithoth]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/oneatom12/stf164_mob.jpg

[teh_meh]

No nerfation without representation.

We the eighnusses of eberron, in order to form a more perfect...

[FestusHood]

I think this deserves a thread with the nerf mentioned in the thread title.

Also, if it adds to ML we should be able to apply risia to crafted gear.

That would be a fair trade. Or add it to named gear as well, like the alchemical rituals.

Have to agree this is a very poor change. One of my favorite things to do was find an ml 8 plus 5 weapon and put an icy burst onto it. If the recipes add to the ml, then i might just as well get a lootgen icy burst weapon.

Icy burst was really the only reason to get purple coins. Some of the potions are nice, but you can get those with the blue coins. I was planning on showing some of my friends how to do the jumps this year, but if this change goes through i will tell them not to bother.

I suspect this might not be WAI. Wasn't there a time that alchemical rituals were adding to the ml of items, when they weren't supposed to? This seems most likely to me.

On a side note, are the glaciation rituals also adding to the ml of items? Because that would make them useless as well.

I'm betting this is not WAI.

[Dawnsfire]

The only weapons I am thinking about bursting now is my lvl 25 melee bard. I mean it can not increase a weapon's level above 25 right?

[Purgatory]

Leave it to Turbine to turn something cool and fun into a heaping pile of dung...

[MartinusWyllt]

ML increase not retroactive, at least not currently on lam. Same ML as before.

[FestusHood]

The only weapons I am thinking about bursting now is my lvl 25 melee bard. I mean it can not increase a weapon's level above 25 right?

ooh, what if it did? the only character that could use it would be a tier 2 or higher water savant.

[Violith]

It is ridiculous that risia rituals add to the ML. That was the sum total of their appeal, not adding to ML. I can just use cannith crafting to raise the ML.

Hey, is it exploitable? Cannith crafting caps at ML20. If risia now adds levels cannith-crafting style, does that mean if I add risia icy burst to my +6 holy burst of superior bloodletting (ML25) it will get capped down to ML20?

Hopefully this is the case, as that would at least motivate them to undo this epic fail. Seriously, devs, way to completely miss the point.

crafting isnt capped at 20 anymore now that the level cap has been raised. it caps at the level cap which is 25, (which is why all the old crafted items that had enhancements above a +10 were raised over 20. but, it shouldnt go any higher, so that weapon you have will still remain 25, just get the added effect of icy burst.

[Jorge_2070]

ML increase not retroactive, at least not currently on lam. Same ML as before.
I can confirm this as well. I transfered my bank toon full of icy bursted weapons and they are the same min. level they were before they were upgraded, at least currently on Lammania.

However, for those of us who lost non-weapon glaciation items due to that bug are still screwed, at least as far as I can tell. There still seems to be no way to re-craft those items. :(

This pretty much kills the Ice Games for me, if this stuff works like it says and it goes live. This might even be the straw that breaks the camel's back, in terms of my tolerance of the bugs and nonsensical decisions the devs keep making, as far as my sub is concerned, if this change goes live and there is no fix for the bugged non-weapon glaciation items.

[MrkGrismer]

The only weapons I am thinking about bursting now is my lvl 25 melee bard. I mean it can not increase a weapon's level above 25 right?

IIRC I think it was Eladrin that said that ML is 'capped' at the current level cap, that is, there is some sort of code that says if ML would be more than the current level cap then ML gets set at the current level cap, however if the cap goes up in the future such 'soft-capped' (my term) items would either go up to their 'proper' ML or to the new level cap (whichever is lower).

[Ganolyn]

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx93/Corbomite/getthepitchforks.jpg

[shadereaper33]

Side question

Are we allowed to discuss Lam on the regular forums?

I can't recall if that was always disallowed or just durring new content.
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The only time we haven't been allowed to discuss lamma content on the live boards was during the closed beta for MotU, because Turbine set up an NDA for lamma content during that time. So yes, we can freely discuss lamma content on the live boards, as lamma content can freely be accessed by anyone currently.

[EllisDee37]

crafting isnt capped at 20 anymore now that the level cap has been raised. it caps at the level cap which is 25, (which is why all the old crafted items that had enhancements above a +10 were raised over 20. but, it shouldnt go any higher, so that weapon you have will still remain 25, just get the added effect of icy burst.I'm not sure why you think that, but none of that is correct. Cannith crafting is capped at ML20, as I can attest from extensive experience. I can post screenshots of an endless assortment of ML20 crafted items with >10 potential if you need visual confirmation, some of which were made just last week.

[Cyndrome]

Leave it to Turbine to turn something cool and fun into a heaping pile of dung...

I agree. Why be diplomatic. Icy burst has worked fine for four years. It's a fun and not game breaking way to twink a few weapons.

I really rarely use an icy burst kit because they cannot be used with crafted weapons, but there are a few neat new effects on random weapons I could see using a kit or two with. Making this effect the ML totally ruins them.

I skipped Mabar because Turbine messed it up, and now this would ruin the whole reason for messing with the ice games. Let's see if we can think of a few ways to screw up the Cove next, and I might throw in some suggestions to really screw up the enhancement overhaul- only six month late (so far).

Nice to know that the devs are focussing on the details that the players really care about.

[EllisDee37]

this would ruin the whole reason for messing with the ice gamesNo joke.

The only possible use I can see for risia now is ML25 weapons. I'm not sure if turbine thought this through very well; you'd think an event should have something to offer levels below 25, but as currently implemented risia does not.

All those new players we hopefully have to hopefully keep the game alive? You can all go pound sand. Nice move, Turbine.

[Juduss]

On the plus side, Turbine once again saved me some cash. I was once going to drop some RL money on TP so I could pick up the cannith challenges, fortunately Turbine dropped the nerf bat on them before I did. Now I was about to buy some points so I could finally get those skates, again turbine, my wallet thanks you for keeping the cash in my accounts and not yours.

Interesting, you'ld think a business is out there to make (my) money (become theirs)... Yet they keep giving me reasons to keep my money (away from them).

[EllisDee37]

In the hopes this isn't WAI, I opened a thread (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=403557) asking. Tolero has responded, but no official confirmation one way or the other as of yet.

It does sound like glaciation WILL add to ML, though, so that saves me some hassle of not having to find the perfect caster sticks to slap +120 glac onto. heh.

[Feather_of_Sun]

No changes whatsoever have been made to the Frost/Icy Burst Risia recipes.

I suspect that you're all getting worked up over what happens when you put it on an item that is Craftable.
Remember guys: The level requirement of a Craftable item is automatically adjusted based on the Enhancement Value of the effects on it. Nothing new here.

[Such755]

Edit: I just read Father of Sun's comment... so NVM :|

[Azithoth]

No changes whatsoever have been made to the Frost/Icy Burst Risia recipes.

I suspect that you're all getting worked up over what happens when you put it on an item that is Craftable.
Remember guys: The level requirement of a Craftable item is automatically adjusted based on the Enhancement Value of the effects on it. Nothing new here.


Thanks much for the info!

[shadereaper33]

No changes whatsoever have been made to the Frost/Icy Burst Risia recipes.

I suspect that you're all getting worked up over what happens when you put it on an item that is Craftable.
Remember guys: The level requirement of a Craftable item is automatically adjusted based on the Enhancement Value of the effects on it. Nothing new here.

The problem with this is that you have never before been able to add this effect to a craftable item. So, if you can add it to craftable items now, and that is what is causing the +4 ml, then something, somewhere changed.

[EllisDee37]

No changes whatsoever have been made to the Frost/Icy Burst Risia recipes.

I suspect that you're all getting worked up over what happens when you put it on an item that is Craftable.
Remember guys: The level requirement of a Craftable item is automatically adjusted based on the Enhancement Value of the effects on it. Nothing new here.Risia has never worked on crafted gear.

[EllisDee37]

Note that this change means we can now add risia icy burst to all of our +5 holy burst 2[w] of greater bane crafted beaters. That's a nice change, though crafting all those +15 potential shards is gonna hurt...

[TempestAlphaOmega]

Just out of curiosity, did the OP actually add it to something to see that the ML increased or was he posting this based on the "description"? Remember last year there was a description which stated the ML would change (bleed from Cannith crafting?) but the ML never actually changed.

I see other posts where people confirmed that items that were already existing did not have altered MLs.

[Galeria]

You can Icy Burst crafted gear? This is new.

[Feather_of_Sun]

As the OP described a minimum level increase, I offered an explanation detailing that only Craftable items recalculate their minimum level in that manner. I meant that to offer assurances that your items will not have their level increased. I apologize if it's been misinterpreted.

The point I am trying to get across is this:
No changes have been made to the Festival Frost/Icy Burst recipes.

We have been unable to reproduce any of the complaints made in this thread. If anyone has evidence that any of the complaints in this thread are true, please feel free to provide us with screenshots of the item before and after the recipe is applied, so that we can investigate further.

[Bloodhaven]

As the OP described a minimum level increase, I offered an explanation detailing that only Craftable items recalculate their minimum level in that manner. I meant that to offer assurances that your items will not have their level increased. I apologize if it's been misinterpreted.

The point I am trying to get across is this:
No changes have been made to the Festival Frost/Icy Burst recipes.

We have been unable to reproduce any of the complaints made in this thread. If anyone has evidence that any of the complaints in this thread are true, please feel free to provide us with screenshots of the item before and after the recipe is applied, so that we can investigate further.

like trying it on an ML1 weapon?

[nikos1313]

im still confused here.

random loot + risia icy burst = do not add to ML?

crafted loot + risia icy burst = possible? / adding to ML?

[phillymiket]

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/816/blahblah056.png
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[9Crows]

the alter said it was adding +4 to ml on icy burst last ice games also ...but it didnt.. prolly the same thing going on this year

[Cauthey]

the alter said it was adding +4 to ml on icy burst last ice games also ...but it didnt.. prolly the same thing going on this year

THAT'S RIGHT!! I remember this now! Thank you, 9Crows! :D

Yes, FoS: there is text upon the Risia crafting altar that inacurately reports that it will be adding to the ML with Festival Frost/Icy Burst recipes. THAT is likely the cause for panic, and why players do not have a clear understanding of what will happen to their weapons when a recipe is applied.

I do not believe that the intention was to make Cannith Crafted items Icy Burstable.

So, if at all possible... please try and correct the text on the Risia barter box, and remove this incorrect ML warning for the Frost/Icy Burst recipes. That will remove the panic in the community, and will also side-step a lot of communication confusion when you bring the event live.

[Juduss]

The point I am trying to get across is this:
No changes have been made to the Festival Frost/Icy Burst recipes.

Thank you much, Feather! 'Ocourse, now I'll have to go and get the points for skates, but glad to know every piece of gear I've been hanging onto since the last games wasn't just wasted bank space!

Btw, anyone else notice the op never came back to explain themselves?

[9Crows]

Thank you much, Feather! 'Ocourse, now I'll have to go and get the points for skates, but glad to know every piece of gear I've been hanging onto since the last games wasn't just wasted bank space!

Btw, anyone else notice the op never came back to explain themselves?

whats to explain? the alter says it raises ml on frost and icy burst. maybe op forgot the alter text bug or didnt risia last year.

the only fault of the op is believing something he read from turbine,he should know better by now.

[ThreeEyedBob]

Very good to hear the clarification, thank you Feather.

Us MMO gamers are easily scared by "Fire! Fire in the theater!" cries when it comes to games we love.

[IronClan]

I have the old ice on a total of 3 weapons. Never found it extremely useful or something I must have. Never found it worth the time except my first Risa when it was new and shiny to me. Now I just collect what I can and sell it all. especially the recipes.

IMO You might be underselling some easy DPS upgrades. Icy hits nearly everything south of level 14 (and far too much is made out of cold being less effective at higher levels), and most things south of level 20. Even most undead take full damage from cold (mostly just "marrow" types are immune or healed in the case of frostmarrow they are rare enough to not even worry about). Cold is probably the most resisted element in the game, but this still only amounts to a small number of mob types, Saying it's the most resisted because it is resisted by three (or whatever) more mobs than fire and 4 (or whatever) more than shock, is kinda a misleading thing that happens on Forums. The total number is pretty trivial. Of the resistant mobs something like two are actually healed by cold. OTOH a few hard to hit mobs that are resistant to almost EVERYTHING, actually take yellow from cold (some golems/constructs).

For some perspective; more than a few DPS threads have shown that Holy burst Icy Burst PG weapons rival greensteel, which considering the ML and massive cost disparity is impressive...

Another thing that is often blown out of proportion by the forums and min/max types, is that everything needs to be Icy Bursted. Frost is nice bang for the buck. compared to the 10x more expensive Icy Burst.

I put cold on things people wonder "why would you do that"

* Disruption: because Undead are hit by cold, and unless you live in "Forum Theory Crafting Land (TM)" a lot of times you are hitting a mob a few times, never getting a Disruption, and you or someone else kills the mob... In that case, the added DPS helped. Which is going to be most cases, unless you're in that perfect range where Undead don't save often (like Sands slayers). Everywhere else you contributed more DPS.
* Smiting/Construct bane, because 3* save 2* save 2* save, is better than 0 save, 0 save, 0 save
* Anything that is Damage Prefix, Damage Suffix, not at least frosting it if you're going to use it, is just throwing away cheap DPS.
* True law Elemental banes specifically for Fire Eles, which are nearly ubiquitus in the middle of the game.
*True Law Everbright, because more oozes than you suspect take cold damage. IIRC the last time I looked 4 of the 6 or 7 types of oozes take cold.
*Returning throwers preferably with prefix and suffix damage already because any character that's running around without at least some ranged option is really selling themselves short. Throwers are the only one handed ranged weapon (unless you're an Arti), you can wear a shield while you whittle away at mobs you can't otherwise get to or DPS (like when you've got no good ranged option in a quest with unreachable mobs) Believe me you'll be happy you put frost or IB on it.
*Crossbow see above, it's a simple weapon proficiency, and a acid frost pure good ML4 crossbow should be in every inventory for any character that can run out of SP, can't use martial ranged weapons or doesn't have a better pew pew option.
Don't forget returning Shurikens, adding 1d6 anything to a 1d3 or whatever base damage is pretty huge, especially when it's the only sensible ranged option of a couple class/race cobo's

[moomooprincess]

The altar said it last year, but it did not do it. Last year, we could NOT add risia to any item that had come from Cannith Crafting. It also did not work on green steel or on named items. As usual, everything will have to be retested by me(for my own personal use of course) to see if it has changed.

Can someone explain the Ice Races?

As always, I will have oodles of recipe 5s and there are only so many weapons I can Icy Burst. I am not sure what server I will be hittihng hard for Risia. I might try a new server and see if I can jump with my wimps.

Some of the potions are very nice, in my opinion. Chill SHield, Resist Fire, Protect Fire, Haste, Jump, and Frostbite all have value. Snow Elemental Gems have value also.

I have come to the conclusion that all scrolls are to be vendored. I thought maybe Polar Ray would be good but I have played with it and it does not seem as good as the spell. I do not put any points into wand and scroll use though, so that could be it.

All wands I vendor. I will flood the market with FREE candy canes.


Hopefully, the trinkets will be improved so there are not bound to account or character or whatever they are. There is a huge underwater mountain of trinkets in the harbor.

[IronClan]

I'm shocked I didn't get the usual disagreements to my suggestions for frosting/icing stuff :)

[kingfisher]

any chance you can put icy burst on a drow weapon?

[smatt]

any chance you can put icy burst on a drow weapon?

It only goes on randomly generated, non-named, non-crafted weapons. I wouldn't expect that to ever change.

[kingfisher]

It only goes on randomly generated, non-named, non-crafted weapons. I wouldn't expect that to ever change.

i know, just wondered because the drow weapons are random and non crafted. i guess they are named in a generic way though.

icy should still work on blue loot gen weapons though huh? like a desert wind of mangling...add icy burst to that, booya.

[giggiddy]

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/816/blahblah056.png
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LOLOL +1
This summarizes the pack mentality of this thread perfectly.

[FestusHood]

So the ice games are starting tomorrow (Monday)? Anybody know about what time? I assume it will just appear at some point and not require any downtime.