Paladin Hunter of the Dead Energy Immunity being cancelled by ED?

[MrkGrismer]

The first character I made in DDO was a Paladin, which I leveled all the way to 20 as a Hunter of the Dead. This character has all three tiers of the Prestige class.

Well, this past weekend I was taking the character thru the first MotU chain (the King's Forest quests) and image my surprise when I saw the NEGATIVE LEVEL thing popping up.

I was like Huh? So I doubled clicked on the Visor to bring up Death Ward, and still I was getting dinged for more NEGATIVE LEVELS!

Afterward I checked the character's enhancements and all three prestige tiers are still there, and tier 2 still says immune to energy drain. So I figure it is bugged and I bug reported it.

I also got hit with NEGATIVE LEVELS in the Ana quest in the temple, so it wasn't just the necros in unquiet graves.

Using the Greater Restoration that Hunter of the Dead gets (to use in place of Cure Disease) did get rid of the negative levels, but I should not be getting them on this character in the first place.

The only thing I can figure is the Epic Destiny Exalted Angel is interfering in some way.

Is anyone else having similar experiences?

[Alternative]

Have you recently acquired Bracers of the Demon's Consort from Demon Queen raid?

[MrkGrismer]

Have you recently acquired Bracers of the Demon's Consort from Demon Queen raid?

No, I don't really raid. Although that character is actually flagged for that one. But I've never done it.

This isn't a 'negative level for using a chaotic item' thing either, I understand that and I'm fine with that. This is a 'hit with energy drain, I bet you thought you were immune' thing.

This character I used to have great fun fighting beholders on because the immunity to energy drain. So it used to work great. But not so much now.

So either there is a bug with the Hunter of the Dead, or there is a bug with Hunter of the Dead WITH an Epic Destiny (in this case Exalted Angel, and it will be a while before I try a different one on this character).

[MrkGrismer]

So nobody else here plays a Hunter of the Dead?

[Jackl]

Have not seen that issue on my hotdIII pally.
Dont use EA destiny however ...it may help if you give a breakdown of where you spent points in that one on yours.

[Eighnuss]

I forget which quest I was in, but a non pally, non epic character was complaining of neg levels despite both a deathblock item and casted deathward from a hireling. I personally was not affected and have nothing further to verify it wasn't a flaw on the player's part, however it could be possible that there is correlation betwixt these two issues.

[Alternative]

This isn't a 'negative level for using a chaotic item' thing either, I understand that and I'm fine with that. This is a 'hit with energy drain, I bet you thought you were immune' thing.

And neither demon bracers are such item, they proc an actual negative level on hit and hotd isn't immune to that. But since this isn't the case, the only other explanation that came up over the years I've been playing is that your immunities just didn't load, there were reports of level drained warforged characters too. Relogging is the way to fix it; do you get negative levels each time you log on, or just that one time?

[MrkGrismer]

Have not seen that issue on my hotdIII pally.
Dont use EA destiny however ...it may help if you give a breakdown of where you spent points in that one on yours.

I would have to do so from memory at this point, that character is not very far in the destiny tho. What destiny do you use? Maybe I will change destinies...


I forget which quest I was in, but a non pally, non epic character was complaining of neg levels despite both a deathblock item and casted deathward from a hireling. I personally was not affected and have nothing further to verify it wasn't a flaw on the player's part, however it could be possible that there is correlation betwixt these two issues.

In Unquiet Graves I also used the Visor of the Flesh Render to put up a deathward, and all my characters have deathblock items (not that those do anything against neg levels). I still got additional negative levels with deathward up. I even checked the icon at the top because I thought maybe it got dispelled, but it was still up there.


And neither demon bracers are such item, they proc an actual negative level on hit and hotd isn't immune to that. But since this isn't the case, the only other explanation that came up over the years I've been playing is that your immunities just didn't load, there were reports of level drained warforged characters too. Relogging is the way to fix it; do you get negative levels each time you log on, or just that one time?

At least two separate logs on the same character, because I got lag-killed the first time in unquiet graves on the character. But it is possible that something was going on that particular day, as the amount of lag was atrocious and lots of people were complaining about it.

I will see if it happens again on that character, maybe I will try going into the same to quests (and not completing, don't want repeat penalties!). If it still happens I will try changing destinies.

[Glenalth]

I have had this issue with my Hunter of the Dead paladin a few lives ago. If you log off dead and then log back in later you will not have any of your non-aura based immunities.

Relog or die and everything should be back to normal.

[Missing_Minds]

I would have to do so from memory at this point, that character is not very far in the destiny tho. What destiny do you use? Maybe I will change destinies...
Then nothing at all would get fixed if you change.

How have you alocated your points in EA so far? Others can work backword from there to try to get it fixed when the change to PrEs gets released.


I have had this issue with my Hunter of the Dead paladin a few lives ago. If you log off dead and then log back in later you will not have any of your non-aura based immunities.
Even so, DeathWard would have protected the OP. It did not, which means something else is going on.

[bbqzor]

If you have not already, I would suggest simply going to the regular old trainer, resetting your enhancement points, and rebuying HotD3 (along with the rest of your setup, don't forget to take notes first if you need to).

The number of times something has been working improperly over the years, and been fixed simply by "rebuying" it after new code went in, is pretty high. I might wait until after tomorrows patch, just in case a similar thing happens again.

If rebuying your enhancements after the patch doesn't get them working again, you may have run into a more serious issue. But I suspect that may do the trick. GL.

[Braxion]

I have a pali Hunter of the Dead, and sometimes the toons healing Amp that comes with the prestige doesn't load properly.

I usually have to re-log to fix this issue, and I assume the same thing happened with the neg level immunity.

[EllisDee37]

My hunter of the dead pally has been running the demonweb chain every day for the past couple weeks, no issues that I have noticed. I have 3 levels of exalted, but my currently active (and final) destiny is fury of the wild.

Not sure if they do any level drains in that chain, though.

[Jackl]

The second line of my earlier post may be slightly misleading. I wasn't saying "OMG NOOO DooOoOm" if you use that destiny, I was saying I don't use that one. And I cannot remember the name of the one I'm working on right now, the one that lets mobs give you hps on T1 of it

[EllisDee37]

That's Unyielding Sentinel. The stance is Vigor of Battle: Sentinel Stance, which is a tier 0 autogrant.

[MrkGrismer]

Well, looks like it was a bug, maybe relating to logging off while dead and logging back in.

Last night I went thru the entire king's forest chain again and there was no issue at all, I saw the panther getting neg leveled (the purple multiple ring effect) but my paladin did not get neg leveled.

So it appears unrelated to the destiny, but rather is probably a bug with logging out while dead, because I believe I did that on sunday when I got lag-killed, since logging out and back in makes lag go away sometimes (and did that time).

Thank you everyone for your help and ideas on what to check. I'm also glad to see there are other people playing hunter of the dead ;)

[Texlaw1992]

I too was a HOTD for some time (now DoS and much more powerful), but note that the fifth level of the Shadowdancer ED has the same neg level immunity. I just switch to that ED when I'm going up against beholders.

[Uska]

So nobody else here plays a Hunter of the Dead?

Only until I hit level 12 and then I go defender usually if I have time I might respec so I can try it this weekend and see if I can get it to happen to me