Silver Flame 400 favor

[Lizardgrad89]

Should all be restricted to account, not character.

Toons capable of getting 400 silver flame points don't need +1 ghost touch arrows or healing pots that make you run half-speed for 30 seconds.

It's all useless if you can't buy it and pass along to lower toons.

[Qhualor]

/sarcasm

and the Phiarlan Pendant. i should be able to pass the trinket to my alts. house K favor should be BTA also so my alts can have more space. why should i rerun the same quests on different toons for more bank space? i should be able to buy a quiver from House D vendor and pass to my alt so he doesnt have to burden himself with running the favor. Yugo pots should be BTA because the pots give something positive AND negative. this way i can just run the quests once on elite on 1 character and the rest can just run cas for flag.

[Dimack]

Not signed, however I'd love it the SF pots stacked to 100 like EVERY OTHER POT in the game.

[noinfo]

Should all be restricted to account, not character.

Toons capable of getting 400 silver flame points don't need +1 ghost touch arrows or healing pots that make you run half-speed for 30 seconds.

It's all useless if you can't buy it and pass along to lower toons.

While I don't agree with this, I think the lesser pots should be available at a lower tier favour level.

[HatsuharuZ]

I agree that +1 ghost touch arrows are kind of poor for that much favor.

Still think that SF pots should have lower penalties for use, though.

[Qhualor]

ok, so if the complaint is the quality of the favor rewards, than yes, i agree they need to be upgraded. melees no longer rule the world and there is no need to find ways to nerf them through heal pots. the penalties should be removed or at least cut in half.

[bradleyforrest]

Not signed, however I'd love it the SF pots stacked to 100 like EVERY OTHER POT in the game.

This. Really. Why do they only stack to 10? It makes no sense.

[FranOhmsford]

For those of us with many toons - I have to /Sign the Op's original suggestion.

Getting 400 SF favour on one character is a pain - Getting it on 24???

And so you know that I have no issue farming favour - My 2nd Life Paladin {Keltenn} is currently sitting on 1770 at Lvl 12!
240 of that with the Silver Flame!

[nibel]

Just put the lesser ones at the 150 favor mark (alongside the ghost touch arrows/bolts) and call it a day.

[Qhualor]

For those of us with many toons - I have to /Sign the Op's original suggestion.

Getting 400 SF favour on one character is a pain - Getting it on 24???

And so you know that I have no issue farming favour - My 2nd Life Paladin {Keltenn} is currently sitting on 1770 at Lvl 12!
240 of that with the Silver Flame!

because some people have many alts isnt the fault of the game and asking to make things easier so we dont have to do as much. where would the cut off be? 5? 10? 20? you chose to have that many alts.

[DarkForte]

I believe SF pots should be available at a lower tier of favour, not because it's too hard to get (heck, my barb has it), but so as not to force every melee to buy every single SF pack (including some fail'o sucky ones like catacombs) to be useful on higher levels of play.

[Daemoneyes]

I would rather see a new split for the vendor

tier1: Arrows and other ****
tier2: lesser silverflame pot
tier2: silverflame pot

reducing debuff of lesser to -5
and increasing stack size of the normal ones to 25 would be nice.

[nibel]

I would rather see a new split for the vendor

tier1: Arrows and other ****
tier2: lesser silverflame pot
tier2: silverflame pot

reducing debuff of lesser to -5
and increasing stack size of the normal ones to 25 would be nice.

Nah, the debuff can be totally removed on lessers. It's not like 100 Hp healing is a lot on 1k HP characters.

[MindCake]

I would rather see a new split for the vendor

tier1: Arrows and other ****
tier2: lesser silverflame pot
tier2: silverflame pot

reducing debuff of lesser to -5
and increasing stack size of the normal ones to 25 would be nice.

+1, signed, that sounds about perfect.

[BlackSteel]

u can pretty easily get the favor by lvl 14/15 if you really want it. the hardest part is being VIP or actually owning all the packs.

with that in mind, you dont really need em earlier as you dont start reaching stupid high HP levels till the mid teens anyway.


grow a pair and run the favor for your elite streak instead of trying to come back to it later or wanting to pass the pots over from another toon

[FranOhmsford]

because some people have many alts isnt the fault of the game and asking to make things easier so we dont have to do as much. where would the cut off be? 5? 10? 20? you chose to have that many alts.

Actually we do have to pay for every alt after the 1st.

You get 2 slots as a f2p.

2 More when you go Premium.

Another 6 when you go VIP.

And every single slot after that costs further TP!

If you need a cut-off point other than 1 then I'd consider 5 characters with 400 Silver Flame Favour more than enough personally {no matter how many alts a person has!}.
Honestly though - This would require extra work from the devs as the game currently supports Account & Character i.e. 1 or All!
So I'll still ask for it to be one character for the account rather than having to get it on every character every life!

Disclaimer: If you delete the character you earned your SF Favour on - You must re-earn it on a different toon.
If you TR said character - You must Re-earn your SF Favour {same toon or on a different one}.
BONUS: Upon TRing for the 3rd time {4th Life} ALL Favour rewards earned during your 3rd Life remain with Character {Not account} permanently!

[goodspeed]

I agree that +1 ghost touch arrows are kind of poor for that much favor.

Still think that SF pots should have lower penalties for use, though.

well actually they do if you think about it. I mean we've got +5 tomes slowly edging in to become the new +4. +4 is the norm now. So that's an extra +2 to knock off the 10.

Next +7 or +8 is now the norm for common gear. So knock off another 1 or 2 points.

Further +2 insightful, and even +3 is common as well so theirs more of a buffer. Compared to some months back, I'd say it would be almost impossible to really suffer alot with em. Hell everyone's running like a bat outa hell now, so you can even say the speed boost is lessened.

[Qhualor]

well actually they do if you think about it. I mean we've got +5 tomes slowly edging in to become the new +4. +4 is the norm now. So that's an extra +2 to knock off the 10.

Next +7 or +8 is now the norm for common gear. So knock off another 1 or 2 points.

Further +2 insightful, and even +3 is common as well so theirs more of a buffer. Compared to some months back, I'd say it would be almost impossible to really suffer alot with em. Hell everyone's running like a bat outa hell now, so you can even say the speed boost is lessened.

+4 isnt quite the norm yet. Ive been on a TR train since the 3rd week of expansion and hardly done any epics. I looted 1 +4 tome and that was 2 years ago in Von 6. +4 tomes havent been around very long yet for the masses to pull them.

[tasebro]

Should all be restricted to account, not character.

Toons capable of getting 400 silver flame points don't need +1 ghost touch arrows or healing pots that make you run half-speed for 30 seconds.

It's all useless if you can't buy it and pass along to lower toons.

And I want house favor to be sold in the DDO store. Its annoying to have to actually complete quests to score favor rather than just buy it.

Also, it would be much more convenient to have tomes apply to all toons on an account simultaneously, rather than just one character, one stat, at a time. Is there a way to sell this in the DDO store?

Also, when is the Stone of Experience going to be available in the DDO store?

[Ryiah]

because some people have many alts isnt the fault of the game and asking to make things easier so we dont have to do as much.

Easier? Practically every Silver Flame quest is low level and quite frankly lacks any form of difficulty. If it means not having to run the same, boring, tired quests I'll sign this "petition".

Let's rephrase your statement. "Because some people have no idea of what actually constitutes challenge isn't the fault of the game".

[tralfaz81]

Not signed, however I'd love it the SF pots stacked to 100 like EVERY OTHER POT in the game.

/signed

[DarkForte]

Actually we do have to pay for every alt after the 1st.

You get 2 slots as a f2p.

2 More when you go Premium.

Another 6 when you go VIP.

And every single slot after that costs further TP!

If you need a cut-off point other than 1 then I'd consider 5 characters with 400 Silver Flame Favour more than enough personally {no matter how many alts a person has!}.
Honestly though - This would require extra work from the devs as the game currently supports Account & Character i.e. 1 or All!
So I'll still ask for it to be one character for the account rather than having to get it on every character every life!

Disclaimer: If you delete the character you earned your SF Favour on - You must re-earn it on a different toon.
If you TR said character - You must Re-earn your SF Favour {same toon or on a different one}.
BONUS: Upon TRing for the 3rd time {4th Life} ALL Favour rewards earned during your 3rd Life remain with Character {Not account} permanently!

/signed

I also want to be able to copy the torc I have on my wizard to all my other casters. Having farmed a torc on two of my characters should be enough. I also want to copy my favored soul's eSoS, encrusted ring and over to my barbarian so he can use it too. I also want to copy it over to the bard I'm leveling so she can use it as soon as she hits 20. I also want to copy all my LoB spirits over to my caster fvs so I can make my wisdom stick already. Also, I want to get my wizard's +3 tomes over to my other toons too because I already earned them once. Also, I want to copy the two commendations I have on my wizard to my favored soul. Also, I want a pony.

:END SARCASM

On keeping favour rewards through trs? No thanks. I like earning free TP as I level.

[goodspeed]

+4 isnt quite the norm yet. Ive been on a TR train since the 3rd week of expansion and hardly done any epics. I looted 1 +4 tome and that was 2 years ago in Von 6. +4 tomes havent been around very long yet for the masses to pull them.

Not really +4's but +3 to 4's. I see em drop again and again in the 25 and up challanges. That and to say that most of those crazed buyer's haven't eatn a supreme yet lol. But anyway ya get the point. Stats are in abundance now. I actually forgot one. Look at primal scream. What melee wouldn't want that sexy boost.

[Diroctive]

I think the penalties that come with SF pots are fair, you can avoid the run speed pen at a cost of less healing, and -10 to stats and 10 per stack is a nice balance to the only form of self-healing available to some classes. They're potions.. that heal for 300 at 100% heal amp, with the same healing potion cooldown. That's very awesome (imo), even with their downsides.

[FranOhmsford]

Easier? Practically every Silver Flame quest is low level and quite frankly lacks any form of difficulty. If it means not having to run the same, boring, tired quests I'll sign this "petition".

Let's rephrase your statement. "Because some people have no idea of what actually constitutes challenge isn't the fault of the game".

Necro III is Lvl 13 on Elite {Cursed Crypt - 14}.
Orchard is Lvl 16-17 and Abbot is Know it only {yes a few people are now putting up forum threads for learning runs}.
Lords of Dust, Servants & Spinner are Lvl 18 on Elite.

Hardly Low Level!

Bringing the Light, Catacombs + Necro I doesn't even get you to 150 btw
And we all know how much use Silver Flame 75 & 150 favour is....i.e. Absolutely no use whatsoever!

Oh and considering how easy you're making Necro II out to be I'd like to know why it's so d@rn hard to get a group for the flags? {Especially when once you are flagged and can open Shadow Crypt you get a full group in a couple of minutes!}.

And as for the comment about the repetitiveness of Necro - I've never understood where these come from personally:
Sanguine Heart, Crimson Heart, Burning Heart and Immortal Heart may all contain Wights and Ghouls in abundance BUT they're significantly different to each other nonetheless {and no one complains about the ubiquitousness of Skeletons {Apart from the Archers of course} in Delera's!}.

Shadow Guard is a long and boring swim I'll grant you BUT it is in no way similar to any of the other Necro II quests {apart from the main mobs being Shadows and Wraiths}.
Shadow Lord is annoying because of the Levers and Lock outs {DDoor not available to everyone}.
Shadow King is annoying because of the Constant respawns!
Shadow Knight is a FANTASTIC Quest!

Blighted, Tormented, Unhallowed and Forbidden are also all significantly different to each other!

And no-one's going to say Fleshmaker's, GoP, Vol or Inferno are in any way similar to any of the others....Are they?


/signed

I also want to be able to copy the torc I have on my wizard to all my other casters. Having farmed a torc on two of my characters should be enough. I also want to copy my favored soul's eSoS, encrusted ring and over to my barbarian so he can use it too. I also want to copy it over to the bard I'm leveling so she can use it as soon as she hits 20. I also want to copy all my LoB spirits over to my caster fvs so I can make my wisdom stick already. Also, I want to get my wizard's +3 tomes over to my other toons too because I already earned them once. Also, I want to copy the two commendations I have on my wizard to my favored soul. Also, I want a pony.

:END SARCASM

On keeping favour rewards through trs? No thanks. I like earning free TP as I level.

House Favour Rewards and TP rewards are very different - We're NOT required to re-earn Drow, Vet status, 32 pt Build or FavSoul every time we TR are we?
Or do you feel we should have to?

As for the Slippery Slope Arguments - Well let's just say that we can all see them for what they are - Nonsense!

We've all seen the numerous threads about Favour Rewards being Outdated or in fact completely useless {House J fits into this second category}!
Free Agents is beaten by the AH! {+5 Thieves Tools are cheap enough there that earning Free Agents favour is basically a waste of effort {other than for more TP}. Don't get me started on the absolute nonsense that is the 400 Favour tier!
Once you have one Phiarlan Pendant of Time there's really very little need for earning a second {Can be useful in events like Cove and Mabar though if you don't wish to wait in the tavern for it to regen every time you die}.
House D is only required on Ranged lives. {Would be much more useful if available to a TR from Lvl 1 - Min Lvls for Certain Ammo obviously should be added if not there already.}.
House K and Coin Lords are always handy BUT I don't feel I'm alone in wanting them to stick around through TRs....Am I?

[arminius]

Which of the Silver Flame quests would not be soloable by a level 25 melee? Tormented, presumably, and the raid, which I've never done on any character. Anything else?

[Silverleafeon]

Not signed, however I'd love it the SF pots stacked to 100 like EVERY OTHER POT in the game.
Aye, bank space being problematic, its hard to build up favor then store for a TR fighter/barbarian/rogue life.

Just put the lesser ones at the 150 favor mark (alongside the ghost touch arrows/bolts) and call it a day.
Also sounds good.


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[Silverleafeon]

Which of the Silver Flame quests would not be soloable by a level 25 melee? Tormented, presumably, and the raid, which I've never done on any character. Anything else?

Necro 1, 2, and 3 all have each have quest which requires a group to complete.
They grant flagging quest in which a group preforms much better at.

Most all of Necro 1 thru 3 is a firewaller's dream, and much more difficult to complete with
melee who are the ones that want Silver Flame favor the most.

With bravery bonuses, quests are completed two levels above.
Shadow Crypt is often done once at lvl 11 then repeated multiple times at level 12.

Melee certainly want Silver Flame potions at level 10 or sooner, well before level 25.


There are rumors of a Cove item that grants something along the lines of heal spell clickie.
Probably one or two charges, no details yet.

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[Qhualor]

Necro 1, 2, and 3 all have each have quest which requires a group to complete.
They grant flagging quest in which a group preforms much better at.

Most all of Necro 1 thru 3 is a firewaller's dream, and much more difficult to complete with
melee who are the ones that want Silver Flame favor the most.

With bravery bonuses, quests are completed two levels above.
Shadow Crypt is often done once at lvl 11 then repeated multiple times at level 12.

Melee certainly want Silver Flame potions at level 10 or sooner, well before level 25.


There are rumors of a Cove item that grants something along the lines of heal spell clickie.
Probably one or two charges, no details yet.

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not disagreeing with your post, but most, if not all, of necro 1-3 can be soloed with hires. i do it that way with most of those quests and i dont play casters. it just depends if you are willing to spend TP on hires where you need 3 or more players.

[Qhualor]

Which of the Silver Flame quests would not be soloable by a level 25 melee? Tormented, presumably, and the raid, which I've never done on any character. Anything else?

the thing is, socially in game, melees are expected to have the SF favor by 20, some even will say by 18. funny thing is, people who expect this, dont even ask first if the have enough of the patron packs before assuming they should have enough favor to get the pots. but yes, a level 25 could solo any SF patron quests except for Abbot and probably could do Tormented if they knew the quest well enough to do the maze and fight.

[Paleus]

Moving the lesser pots to a lower tier of favor and having them stack in counts of 100 are both changes that I would agree with.

Also, a lower tier of favor is much more readily attainable so it would be a good alternative to the call for bta.
Side note: several of the SF patron quests require parties for completion, but I'm not sure if its enough to preclude from full favor.

[nibel]

Which of the Silver Flame quests would not be soloable by a level 25 melee? Tormented, presumably, and the raid, which I've never done on any character. Anything else?

Tomb of the Immortal Heart (unless you want to use TP for gold seal hirelings), without it you remove Bloody Crypt from your list.

Tomb of Shadow Lord (Technically, possible with hirelings, but you need to order your hireling to move past the door somehow. Doable, but NOT easily), without it, you remove Shadow Crypt from your list too.

Tomb of the Forbidden (requires two people to pull a locked lever, need to pass the "key" around), and without it you also remove the Cursed Crypt from your list.

Flesh Maker's Laboratory (absolutelly impossible to pull all the runes in time, even with a hireling. Can be done with some gold seal hirelings, but requires a good ammount of coordination for it). It DOES NOT lock you out of litanny/abbot since you can gather the sigil pieces at the explorer zone now.

Removing those quests, you are forfeitting 125 Silver Flame favor. There is a total of 540 silver flame favor in the game. So, yeah. Doable, but not that much.

Also need an special note for In the Demon's Den: Absolutelly NO way for a pure melee to gather the efreets while fighting respawning mobs with an angry marilith behind you. Still doable on normal (where the marilith dont chase), and maybe hard (where you dont need to kill the efreets at the same time).

[Faent]

Tomb of the Immortal Heart (unless you want to use TP for gold seal hirelings), without it you remove Bloody Crypt from your list.

False. Any melee can solo Tomb of the Immortal Heart just fine. If you have one hireling, it is trivial. If you have one hireling and the Onyx Panther, it's a joke.


Tomb of Shadow Lord (Technically, possible with hirelings, but you need to order your hireling to move past the door somehow. Doable, but NOT easily), without it, you remove Shadow Crypt from your list too.

Easily holoed.


Tomb of the Forbidden (requires two people to pull a locked lever, need to pass the "key" around), and without it you also remove the Cursed Crypt from your list.

Easily holoed with some patience. My wife did it on her monk yesterday. She took Albus, and that was it.


Flesh Maker's Laboratory (absolutelly impossible to pull all the runes in time, even with a hireling. Can be done with some gold seal hirelings, but requires a good ammount of coordination for it). It DOES NOT lock you out of litanny/abbot since you can gather the sigil pieces at the explorer zone now.

A melee will probably have serious difficulty with this on Elite. Is it doable with a single hireling? Yes. Would it be fun? No. If you can add the Onyx Panther to the mix, it'd be a little easier, but still unfun. I'd do this on Normal (fairly easy) and call it a day if you insist on soloing.


Removing those quests, you are forfeitting 125 Silver Flame favor. There is a total of 540 silver flame favor in the game. So, yeah. Doable, but not that much.

Nope, it's very doable. SF Favor is easy to pick up, even if you're soloing or holoing. Gold Seal hirelings are NOT required.

[nibel]

False. Any melee can solo Tomb of the Immortal Heart just fine. If you have one hireling, it is trivial. If you have one hireling and the Onyx Panther, it's a joke.

Panther is a gold seal hireling. Otherwise, how you keep a mob stopped on the pressure plate on the other side of the room? I did it on my caster using hold undead.


Easily holoed.

I did it before. I know it is doable. But mostly because I know workarounds on the system. If you don't understand hirelings AND the quest mechanics all the way, soloing this quest is not doable. There is at least 2 levers you must order you hireling to pull without anything selected on your focus orb.


Easily holoed with some patience. My wife did it on her monk yesterday. She took Albus, and that was it.

Before, you could "unlock" the lever, park the hireling, and go to the other side. I remember some time ago that the unlocking would be timed to avoid this (the lever would lock itself back after a few seconds). If they reverted that change, then I concede the point.


A melee will probably have serious difficulty with this on Elite. Is it doable with a single hireling? Yes. Would it be fun? No. If you can add the Onyx Panther to the mix, it'd be a little easier, but still unfun. I'd do this on Normal (fairly easy) and call it a day if you insist on soloing.

Even with multiple hirelings (that in a sense, are better than party members, since the air elementals can't throw them out of the platform), is not an easy feat to achieve. IIRC, there are 7 runes on the room. Ordering everyone to use them in a small window of time definitelly is doable, but not for everyone.


Nope, it's very doable. SF Favor is easy to pick up, even if you're soloing or holoing. Gold Seal hirelings are NOT required.

Easy to pick up at cap. And yourself listed the panther (that IS a gold seal hireling) as workarounds in two quests.

And let's not step on the grounds that a very important favor-based healing potion that is assumed for almost every high-level melee in the game is split between 5 adventure packs.

Finally, is entirelly unrealistic that a full anti-social person that level up without partying at all, and that don't find groups even inside a guild, is going to play primarly a pure fighter/barbarian (the only classes that have zero self-healing and requires SF pots for harder elite quests), in high-difficulty Epic Elite content. Those type of persons usually goes with a self-sufficient caster (sorcerer, artificer or palemaster) or hybrid (paladins, FvS, bards). For those, SF pots are not as essential.

[arminius]

Ugh. Sounds complicated. No wonder I was avoiding it. Maybe if there weren't penalties and weren't stacking issues it might be worth the bother. It just seems to me that, like with a lot of heroic content these days, if you can't solo it it won't get done. The only character I have with no other healing option is a healing amp barb, and it does surprisingly ok with csw pots.

[Viisari]

Meh, there's tons of SF favor in the game these days, whining about is completely baseless.

[Faent]

Easy to pick up at cap. And yourself listed the panther (that IS a gold seal hireling) as workarounds in two quests.

I was very clear that no gold seal hirelings are necessary. I pointed out that they would make some things even more trivial. Let's not pretend that I relied on gold seal hirelings as a "workaround". Sorry.


Otherwise, how you keep a mob stopped on the pressure plate on the other side of the room? I did it on my caster using hold undead.

Dead mobs trigger pressure plates for a significant amount of time. So do stunned or tripped mobs, etc...


Before, you could "unlock" the lever, park the hireling, and go to the other side. I remember some time ago that the unlocking would be timed to avoid this (the lever would lock itself back after a few seconds). If they reverted that change, then I concede the point.

Go try it. Like I said, my wife did it yesterday. She has her SF Favor now.


Even with multiple hirelings (that in a sense, are better than party members, since the air elementals can't throw them out of the platform), is not an easy feat to achieve. IIRC, there are 7 runes on the room. Ordering everyone to use them in a small window of time definitelly is doable, but not for everyone.

There are five runes, not seven. This should not be a problem for a melee on Normal. Have the hireling hit two while you hit three.

[Zorth]

Silver Flame quests are the hardest in the game to get 400 favor.

No.

Change this thread to Coin Lord and I would say, "Yes".

[Qhualor]

There are five runes, not seven. This should not be a problem for a melee on Normal. Have the hireling hit two while you hit three.

if you just needed just 6 favor from Fleshmakers, than that could work. if you needed 18 favor and were soloing, than i say good luck.

[Faent]

if you just needed just 6 favor from Fleshmakers, than that could work. if you needed 18 favor and were soloing, than i say good luck.

Don't be ridiculous. There is 540 SF Favor available in the game. If you insist on not partying (why?), then you're down 12 Favor from trading Normal Fleshmaker's for Elite Fleshmaker's. This leaves 528 Favor outstanding. Let's go ahead and drop Tomb of the Tormented, The Cursed Crypt, In the Demon's Den, and Spinner of Shadows completely. There is still 450 Favor outstanding. Let's drop Abbot completely too, since we're interested in solo/holo only quests (since we refuse to group on principle?). There is still 429 SF Favor outstanding.

Seriously, it is not hard. Learn some of these quests. Tomb of the Tormented is great XP. The Cursed Crypt is great XP. Learn how to group and actually join a raid with some awesome loot (Abbot). Learn how to play. It's not hard to get SF Favor (provided you have the packs, of course).

[nibel]

Just a reminder: My posts where not related about the reachability of 400 favor on a capped toon, only that there are some quests that a pure melee have no way to solo, or a significant trouble working around it.


Dead mobs trigger pressure plates for a significant amount of time. So do stunned or tripped mobs, etc...

Good to know, thank you.


Go try it. Like I said, my wife did it yesterday. She has her SF Favor now.

Even better to know.


There are five runes, not seven. This should not be a problem for a melee on Normal. Have the hireling hit two while you hit three.

Well, there is a ton of runes, an you need to pull them in a shot time interval, while a bunch of air elementals might throw you off by just touching you with no save at all.

Like Shadow Lord, possible. But not something you want to do every time you run the quest.

[Qhualor]

Don't be ridiculous. There is 540 SF Favor available in the game. If you insist on not partying (why?), then you're down 12 Favor from trading Normal Fleshmaker's for Elite Fleshmaker's. This leaves 528 Favor outstanding. Let's go ahead and drop Tomb of the Tormented, The Cursed Crypt, In the Demon's Den, and Spinner of Shadows completely. There is still 450 Favor outstanding. Let's drop Abbot completely too, since we're interested in solo/holo only quests (since we refuse to group on principle?). There is still 429 SF Favor outstanding.

Seriously, it is not hard. Learn some of these quests. Tomb of the Tormented is great XP. The Cursed Crypt is great XP. Learn how to group and actually join a raid with some awesome loot (Abbot). Learn how to play. It's not hard to get SF Favor (provided you have the packs, of course).

you were talking about soloing and with hires. i was responding that on normal in Fleshmakers it would be possible, but elite would be difficult. not necessarily the quest, just the constant knockdown from eles. you read more into my post than needed.

[Silverleafeon]

Awhile back, I hopped on my cleric and helped a paladin finish up his silver flame favor.
A good friend should be willing to help out.
{Any cleric worth their salt loves to see a melee get their silver flame favor.}

Usually during a life, Fawngate tries to do enough silver flame quests since they are good xp,
that finishing up silver flame favor can be done with some effort. If she wants it, she can do it.
The newer quests added helps alot.

She does see people drinking silver flame potions in the Bloody Crypt (lvl 6 quest),
although that is a bit low they are terribly useful leveling up.


My problem is wanting to get silver flame favor on the end of a life, in order to stock up for the
next one or two lives. The fact that you need a whole bank page to store 200 silver flame potions
is terrible.

The lesser silver flame potions requiring the same amount of favor as the normal ones makes no
sense to me.

[FranOhmsford]

Tomb of the Immortal Heart (unless you want to use TP for gold seal hirelings), without it you remove Bloody Crypt from your list.




False. Any melee can solo Tomb of the Immortal Heart just fine. If you have one hireling, it is trivial. If you have one hireling and the Onyx Panther, it's a joke.


Just an FYI: Burning Heart is the Tomb you're both talking about - Immortal is the one with the lights!

And Bloody, Shadow and Cursed Crypt can all be Redboxed for the favour - I've completed all 3 of them before flagging on one toon or another.


Would love to know when SF Favour hit 540 btw.

Before Lords of Dust you needed everything BUT Abbot and Demon's Den to hit the 400 according to posts on these forums at the time.
Lords of Dust and Servants of the Overlord don't give that much and you did say that Spinner can be dropped so The Rift is also unavailable.

Bringing the Light - 6
Catacombs - 66
Necro I - 66
138 Total - So as I said NOT even Tier 2 Favour!

Necro II - 81
Church & the Cult - 15
Necro III - 93
189 Total - So still only 327 up to this point {incl Cursed Crypt}.

Lords of Dust - 21 {easier than any Orchard quest}.
Vol - 18
GoP - 18
Fleshmaker's - 18

Total now = 402!
Yay don't need to do Inferno at all!!!

Inferno, Litany, Abbot, Servants, Spinner, The Rift & Demon's Den really bring this to 540?

[Silverleafeon]

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