Stat tomes upgrades in final reward

[karsion]

Just did Lords of Dust on Epic Hard and got +3 to +4 tome upgrade from the quest reward list. Seems like toons will be getting quite a stat boost soon.

[Atremus]

Read the description on your upgrade tome, I believe it will state that you bought it out of the DDO store. There will be plenty of upgrade tomes shortly.

[karsion]

Read the description on your upgrade tome, I believe it will state that you bought it out of the DDO store. There will be plenty of upgrade tomes shortly.

First of all upgrades +3 to +4 are not in the Store at the moment so it's irrelevant they will be someday.

Second of all the number of people willing to spend x dollars on tome update compared to the number of people that are willing to grind epic hard on any quests, I might be wrong here, but I think the first number is much smaller.

[Atremus]

I didn't mean to imply that you actually bought it out of the store. The +3 to +4 tome that I pulled (end reward as well) stated that it came from the DDO store and was BTA because of that. Which is a bug since, as you stated, you can not buy the upgrade tomes.

All of those ToD runs looking for +4's will be eliminated with the press of a button once the tomes are released.

[btn2009]

as it says, would you happen to know if the upgrade tomes persist through tr?

[Tid12]

as it says, would you happen to know if the upgrade tomes persist through tr?

They do.

[Silverwren]

Just did Lords of Dust on Epic Hard and got +3 to +4 tome upgrade from the quest reward list. Seems like toons will be getting quite a stat boost soon.

Only if you find a +3 somewhere. I've been playing for three years and only got three, and two were Shroud end rewards.

I wonder if it's possible to upgrade a +1 tome all the way to +4? Has anyone tried that yet?

[Impaqt]

Only if you find a +3 somewhere. I've been playing for three years and only got three, and two were Shroud end rewards.

I wonder if it's possible to upgrade a +1 tome all the way to +4? Has anyone tried that yet?


+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent.


On a side note..... WHen did End rewards start getting based on the difficulty you completed the quest on? Pretty sure they are not and you should be able to see the same rewards regardless of difficult..

[Tid12]

+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent.


On a side note..... WHen did End rewards start getting based on the difficulty you completed the quest on? Pretty sure they are not and you should be able to see the same rewards regardless of difficult..

From MotU release IIRC.

[Atremus]

On a side note..... WHen did End rewards start getting based on the difficulty you completed the quest on? Pretty sure they are not and you should be able to see the same rewards regardless of difficult..


This change was implemented with the expansion

[gphysalis]

On a side note..... WHen did End rewards start getting based on the difficulty you completed the quest on? Pretty sure they are not and you should be able to see the same rewards regardless of difficult..

As people have noted, this change was intended to be with the MOTU expansion.

You might not have noticed it immediately, because it was bugged at the first release. (some end rewards to high lvl quests gave lvl 1 rewards)

[kafrielveddicus]

question is, are these tomes replacing the old kind or are they in addition to the old kind.

In other words are you going to have to read a +1 tome, and then read the 3 concurrent upgrade tomes to get to +4.

Or will there still be +4 tomes where you need not read any other tomes and go directly to +4 inherent!

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[Coyopa]

question is, are these tomes replacing the old kind or are they in addition to the old kind.

In other words are you going to have to read a +1 tome, and then read the 3 concurrent upgrade tomes to get to +4.

Or will there still be +4 tomes where you need not read any other tomes and go directly to +4 inherent!

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You do not have to upgrade. If you've got a +4 tome sitting around and less than a +4 inherent bonus to that stat, you can just go straight to +4 inherent bonus. Do not pass Go. Do not waste time upgrading your inherent bonus multiple times.

[MrkGrismer]

+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent.

+3 is available in the ddostore currently (or was last time I checked).

[btn2009]

They do.

Thanks

[Impaqt]

+3 is available in the ddostore currently (or was last time I checked).


I'm sorry, what exactly does that have to do with the question I answered?

[MrkGrismer]

I'm sorry, what exactly does that have to do with the question I answered?

Wait? you are asking what it has to do with:


Only if you find a +3 somewhere. I've been playing for three years and only got three, and two were Shroud end rewards.

They are available now in the ddostore, so it seems exceptionally relevant to me. If you haven't been able to find a +3 tome, and you find a +3 to +4 tome upgrade the solution is a mouse-click away.

Whether that is a good thing or not is debatable, but +3 tomes being available in the store are very relevant to a +4 upgrade only being usable if you have a +3 inherent.

[Impaqt]

Wait? you are asking what it has to do with:



They are available now in the ddostore, so it seems exceptionally relevant to me. If you haven't been able to find a +3 tome, and you find a +3 to +4 tome upgrade the solution is a mouse-click away.

Whether that is a good thing or not is debatable, but +3 tomes being available in the store are very relevant to a +4 upgrade only being usable if you have a +3 inherent.


WHy did you cut off the part I was actually responding to?


I wonder if it's possible to upgrade a +1 tome all the way to +4? Has anyone tried that yet?

[MrkGrismer]

WHy did you cut off the part I was actually responding to?

If that was the only part you were actually responding to then why didn't you just quote that part?

I quoted the part I thought you were responding to, since that would be the context that would make the most sense (to me). Since I don't really understand what "+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent." has to do with "I wonder if it's possible to upgrade a +1 tome all the way to +4? Has anyone tried that yet?" but it makes more sense that "+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent." was in response to "+Only if you find a +3 somewhere. I've been playing for three years and only got three, and two were Shroud end rewards." Apparently I misunderstood what you were trying to get at.

In any case, I would presume that it would be possible to go from +1 to +4 with 3 of the appropriate upgrade tomes (+1-+2, +2-+3, +3-+4), but if a person found a +3-+4 it would certainly be easier to just nab a +3 from the store, if they were so inclined.

[Chai]

50 point builds are about to become the standard. Ahhhh power creep.

[Nickademus42]

They do.

Source? Not trying to be a troll, but there are a lot of bugs in this game and 'they're supposed to' does not fill me with the confidence in TRing that a verified 'they do' would.


Only if you find a +3 somewhere. I've been playing for three years and only got three, and two were Shroud end rewards.

Really? I pulled two soloing the new quest pack Monday on Epic Normal (no lie). A +3 Cha and +3 Wis tome. Also got a +2 Dex tome during that content. Perhaps the new content is more affected by the changes to the loot table or (hopefully) the drops have increased across the game.


+4 upgrade tome only works if you currently have a +3 Inherent.

Is it Inherent bonus or actually having a +3 tome that is needed? Haven't seen the text of the upgrade tomes yet.


question is, are these tomes replacing the old kind or are they in addition to the old kind.

In other words are you going to have to read a +1 tome, and then read the 3 concurrent upgrade tomes to get to +4.

In they do plan to replace anything, they haven't yet. A friend got a +4 tome Tuesday and I hard from another friend that he saw a +5 tome drop in an EE Dragon (though I'm waiting for proof of that one). So the raw tomes are still in the loot tables.


In any case, I would presume that it would be possible to go from +1 to +4 with 3 of the appropriate upgrade tomes (+1-+2, +2-+3, +3-+4), but if a person found a +3-+4 it would certainly be easier to just nab a +3 from the store, if they were so inclined.

Completely my opinion, but I would assume anyone running things that get +4 upgrade tomes would have the spare money (and be able to quickly get it) to purchase one of the many +3 tomes on the AH. At least there are plenty on my server, except Con.....

[MrkGrismer]

Completely my opinion, but I would assume anyone running things that get +4 upgrade tomes would have the spare money (and be able to quickly get it) to purchase one of the many +3 tomes on the AH. At least there are plenty on my server, except Con.....

I dunno, until recently I've had trouble keeping more then 200k on any one character. Most of my characters tend to have less than 100k.

[DethTrip]

I pulled one of these today by killing the rare on the way to rusted blades in sshyndylryn. As far as +3 tomes, they drop frequently (relatively speaking) as end rewards for the part 3 chain quests. I farm blades solo on hard dif and go get the end reward each time. I have pulled 5 +3 tomes doing this. I have collected the end reward maybe 30 or so times? Maybe more but its a good way to get them. I get a lot of guild renoun this way also.

[Nickademus42]

I dunno, until recently I've had trouble keeping more then 200k on any one character. Most of my characters tend to have less than 100k.

I can understand that. I ended Mabar with 6k to my account. Got up to 60k before the update. After a day of running EN content in the new pack, I had 1.3 mil. So yeah, the new stuff is quite profitable (even the breakables).

[Impaqt]

Is it Inherent bonus or actually having a +3 tome that is needed? Haven't seen the text of the upgrade tomes yet.


What exactly would be the difference? Inherent bonus's ONLY come from tomes.

[Nickademus42]

What exactly would be the difference? Inherent bonus's ONLY come from tomes.

Like I said, I haven't seen the new upgrade tomes yet. The difference is a tome that you read and a tome that you place in a Stone of Change with another tome to upgrade.... Reading is the most logical, but this is Turbine we're talking about.

[Dysmetria]

Like I said, I haven't seen the new upgrade tomes yet. The difference is a tome that you read and a tome that you place in a Stone of Change with another tome to upgrade.... Reading is the most logical, but this is Turbine we're talking about.You don't put upgrade tomes in the stone of change, you read them like the other tomes, and they upgrade the listed bonus.

[Raenleif]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

Both tomes are still in place, and both upgrade tomes and normal tomes work the exact same as tomes always have.
You can almost think of upgrade tomes as normal tomes - Just you need to have eaten the prerequisite tome first.

A +3 to +4 Str upgrade tome is exactly identical in effect to a normal +4 tome as long as you already have a +3 Str tome eaten.

[silence383]

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Wish we had this in game for theatric quests as well :P

Hmm maybe a companion smiley eating popcorn..and for gear..butter and other toppings..I know it's late just having fun while eating lol.

[Silverwren]

Really? I pulled two soloing the new quest pack Monday on Epic Normal (no lie). A +3 Cha and +3 Wis tome. Also got a +2 Dex tome during that content. Perhaps the new content is more affected by the changes to the loot table or (hopefully) the drops have increased across the game.

Yeah, really. I have five toons and in the three years or so that I've been playing I've only seen one +3 tome drop in a chest or come up in an end rewards list that wasn't supposed to have any (i.e. 20th Shroud completion, for example). I guess I'm just unlucky when it comes to getting those. :(


I pulled one of these today by killing the rare on the way to rusted blades in sshyndylryn. As far as +3 tomes, they drop frequently (relatively speaking) as end rewards for the part 3 chain quests. I farm blades solo on hard dif and go get the end reward each time. I have pulled 5 +3 tomes doing this. I have collected the end reward maybe 30 or so times? Maybe more but its a good way to get them. I get a lot of guild renoun this way also.

Well, that's great for you, and I'm happy you get many tomes dropping for you. Not everyone has those quest packs though. Perhaps they are meant to drop more frequently in epic level new content, and not much at all in the older quest packs? Incentive to buy the new quest packs? Maybe. If so, I'm still not going to rush out to buy them. I'll wait a year or so for the price to drop.

[oweieie]

Yeah, really. I have five toons and in the three years or so that I've been playing I've only seen one +3 tome drop in a chest or come up in an end rewards list that wasn't supposed to have any (i.e. 20th Shroud completion, for example). I guess I'm just unlucky when it comes to getting those. :(

They were super rare in old raids. The new epic quests they show up much more commonly... hence why you see them on the AH all the time now as opposed to never.

[Silverwren]

They were super rare in old raids. The new epic quests they show up much more commonly... hence why you see them on the AH all the time now as opposed to never.

Well I'm still not running out to buy the new content just to get a chance at a +3 or +4 tome. It's not worth it........yet. In a year when the price drops and all the bugs have been worked out I'll think about it.