Very Unhappy to say the least....

[Doperogue]

I get into the game today to see that alot has changed. Not for the better it seems....

Players are complaining in-game and all over the forums, Twitter, Facebook and any other social network. That Update 16, is Horrible.

Problems from a players view:

1.) Negative level Potions - Cool you added an item no one 'Needs'(place it next to the +1 Gear) Now, The problem lies in the way you choose to inform us, We dont need to be told everytime we get a neg level, or heal from one, That we can go to the DDO store to buy one, Especially when theres a shrine around the next Corner. The pop-up window is 5x bigger than it ever needed to be. So, down the line, after ive seen that pop-up 1,843,726 times, Do you think im going to forget? Is that why i need to be told over, and over, and over? Or do you think that i will succumb to the spam and buy the item i dont need? Waste of developer time.

RECCOMEND: Change the neg levels warning back to how it should be. Advertise your potions on DDO store banner ads and login ads.

2.) Chat Window - The cutout to fit against the '&' button was a nice addition, But that took away from typing real-estate, and that super-LARGE 'GENERAL', doesnt need to be that big, its taking away from typing room that i previously had and liked. I prefer to be able to back-read for typos as i type, im sure others do also. You also broke the ability to go back and add text or say '/g' in front of something you typed. Nothing happens now. Seems some peoples ability to chat was completely broken and were only able to communicate to others through /tells. Others seem to hate that the invis/hide button is on the top right now, which when you make the window invis, you have a box in the middle of the screen. Besides the Cutout, waste of Developer time.

RECCOMEND: Leave the cutout, remove the word general, we know by the tab at the top, we are speaking in general, and move the eye(invis/hide) to the top or bottom left so its against the screen/monitors edge and not in the middle of the screen.

3.) Stat Tomes - It seems that Turbine wants us to know that we can buy stat tomes. As if the Promo's, Banners, and DDO store hasnt informed us by now. Now, when you hover over a stat on your character sheet, YEP! you guessed it, DDO store baby! Character sheet is ruined, now instead of checking/comparing stats, i feel like im shopping at Wal-Mart!

RECCOMEND: Remove the pop-ups letting us know that we can get stat tomes in the store.

Now i did see some positive fixes regarding past Bugs and i love the new auction house. But please Devs, Read 1-3 over and over until your head hurts like ours does. Then proceed to make positive Changes regarding these. As the popular Vote is in, These changes Suck.

In all Honesty, Over time, These changes will cause more players to move back to an ad-free subscription model Game or another free-to-play, Than they will make you money... Do you really see people buying negative level potions? There are too many reasons not to. I see this just making many people angry.

I see the negative level pop-up(screen-block-o-rama) as a way that Turbine is killing us off so we buy rez cakes, its not about the potions at all.../Conspiracy.





Over and Out.

[GeneralDiomedes]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.

[Dolphious]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.

Yeah, I get why it annoys people when they log on and see it, but honestly I don't even notice it after a few hours of play. Like the DDO store icon in your bag. Threw me off for a day or two at first, but now It's like it's not even there.

[Bzzzt]

2.) Chat Window - stuff about UI.



I wasn't a fan of the old UI. Last year I got so fed up that I went ahead and created my own minimalist version where most everything was hanging around on near invisible windows and toolbars (it also had some useful features like a percentage counter hiding under the targeted mob's HP bar, nifty, no?). Now that UI doesn't function and I'm left with this behemoth.
My biggest issue with this new UI by far is how clunky the chat windows are. They don't tuck away in front of the XP bar and the edges of these new boxes are actually cutting off the text inside of the boxes. I'm sure you probab- -but what I'm saying is it's really rather annoying to have a message cut off in the midd- -cially when it might be relevant to the quest you're running.
Now that being said, it does look good. It's visually appealing, but mechanically sluggish. If that's how Turbine wants their game to look out of the box, so be it. Give me a toggle under the UI settings to turn that !@#$ off please.


Yeah, I get why it annoys people when they log on and see it, but honestly I don't even notice it after a few hours of play. Like the DDO store icon in your bag. Threw me off for a day or two at first, but now It's like it's not even there.

For someone like me who designed his own UI, it's a rather jolting change. I've gotten used to having it look a certain way that's most efficient for my playstyle. A large number of features that I've used to are gone and at the time of writing, I don't have a way to put it back.

[Raithe]

We dont need to be told everytime we get a neg level, or heal from one...

Please speak for yourself. I appreciate the information and tend to use my mouse in ways that makes it awkward and annoying to mouse over the negative level indicator icon. Many of my characters have to use regular restoration scrolls when fixing negative levels, so having a running count is useful.

Basically, when you get level drained there are really only two things you should be concerned about... fixing your negative levels, and watching that your current hit points are in a safe zone.

It's funny that no one has complained about the center-screen message that pops up when you enter a public instance as the party leader. I find that information to be unuseful and annoying. Still, it lets me know when I accidentally create a public instance unintentionally.

[Uma-Quixote]

I get into the game today to see that alot has changed. Not for the better it seems....

Players are complaining in-game and all over the forums, Twitter, Facebook and any other social network. That Update 16, is Horrible.






"Horrible"....

Really?

You manage to list 3 genuinely mildly annoying minor aspects, all of which 99% of folks will be totally used to in a week and yet completely ignore 5 great new quests, and an whole explorer area with new items and new features....

Even if you don't posess the new content yet (and I'm hoping you don't, because if you do and yet your only reaction is to is whine about this then you are one sad puppy), there is mitigation, but these changes are hardly horrible...a bit dull, or mildly irritating (like the need to change the AH) but not HORRIBLE....

[Bzzzt]

Please speak for yourself. I appreciate the information and tend to use my mouse in ways that makes it awkward and annoying to mouse over the negative level indicator icon. Many of my characters have to use regular restoration scrolls when fixing negative levels, so having a running count is useful.


This running count could be easily achieve with a numbered, neg-level icon that sat up in the debuff bar with all the other debuffs, with a timer even! So you could see how long it would take for the next neg level to tick off AND see how many neg levels you have.
But that's just going a little too hard on the cray-cray!

[Pseudograph]

No.1 is admittedly annoying.

I put the chat window on the right side of screen--so No.2 is far less than ideal.

No. 3 * EVERY YIME--EVERY STAT--EVERY CHARACTER--FOR ALL PLAYERS FOREVER?!

How soon will it be before EVERY Mouseclick on EVERY Target demands a $ payment before we can continue?

Will we need to appologize to our party because we reached our credit card limit?

Maybe I exagerate...and Maybe I REALLY don't want to see an advertisement EVERY time I look at my character/equipment/feats/skills/enhancements/etc.

I know how to access the DDO store (WE ALL DO!). I don't need the ENDLESSS reminders!

Others may express similar feelings more gracefully. I wish I could.

Pseudograph

[MalkavianX]

I've seen a few posts concerning the changed made lately and I feel that it's time for me to chime in. I don't really care one way or the other about the chat box. Ya, it's annoying, but I think I'll get over it. Haven't seen the giant Neg Level thing yet, so I can't really comment there. The character sheet thing with the tome ads for the ddo store..... that's just plain goofy.


My solution to the in game advertising for the ddo store that will never happen is: If you're vip, there's no in game advertising (or you have an box you can click in options to turn it off). If you're f2p or premium, it stays. I mean, they (turbine) are already getting a guaranteed $10-$15 a month from a vip, but there's no guarantee that they get the $$ from the f2p or premium. Now, I'm not saying that f2p's or premiums don't spend $$ in the ddo store. I'm just saying that turbine has guaranteed income from the vip folks. Maybe that'd be a "perk" that'd keep vip's happy for a little longer? Who knows?

Thought?

[Kawai]

...My solution to the in game advertising for the ddo store that will never happen is: If you're vip, there's no in game advertising (or you have an box you can click in options to turn it off). If you're f2p or premium, it stays. I mean, they (turbine) are already getting a guaranteed $10-$15 a month from a vip, but there's no guarantee that they get the $$ from the f2p or premium. Now, I'm not saying that f2p's or premiums don't spend $$ in the ddo store. I'm just saying that turbine has guaranteed income from the vip folks. Maybe that'd be a "perk" that'd keep vip's happy for a little longer? Who knows?
Thought?

Yes. here is thought u asky for?
Ive invested nearly 2k over 3 years playing this game. Yes. not a typo.
Still, not even that allows meh to demand special treatment.

However, r u anywhere near that? Mr Vip? Where at... 50 dollars or so? :p
And where is it written that you are going to keep paying your little fee, say next month? And the month after that? :confused:

They are planning on your little payment. yes.
Little payments from lots of paying customers goes a long way.
And you have a right to be heard.

But they are also living on my money. And lots of little peops like myself who fork it up.

humorous to hear from those who believe they are entitled, for whatever reason.

[alvarego]

Yes. here is thought u asky for?
Ive invested nearly 2k over 3 years playing this game. Yes. not a typo.
Still, not even that allows meh to demand special treatment.


http://www.forodefotos.com/attachments/fotos-de-gente-o-rostros/13143d1282012276-fotos-de-caras-fotos-caras-asombro.jpg

[Kawai]

http://www.forodefotos.com/attachments/fotos-de-gente-o-rostros/13143d1282012276-fotos-de-caras-fotos-caras-asombro.jpg

Yes that was also the look on a certain fathers face at the house as well :D

[mobrien316]

I get into the game today to see that alot has changed. Not for the better it seems....

Players are complaining in-game and all over the forums, Twitter, Facebook and any other social network. That Update 16, is Horrible.

Problems from a players view:

1.) Negative level Potions - Cool you added an item no one 'Needs'(place it next to the +1 Gear) Now, The problem lies in the way you choose to inform us, We dont need to be told everytime we get a neg level, or heal from one, That we can go to the DDO store to buy one, Especially when theres a shrine around the next Corner. The pop-up window is 5x bigger than it ever needed to be. So, down the line, after ive seen that pop-up 1,843,726 times, Do you think im going to forget? Is that why i need to be told over, and over, and over? Or do you think that i will succumb to the spam and buy the item i dont need? Waste of developer time.

RECCOMEND: Change the neg levels warning back to how it should be. Advertise your potions on DDO store banner ads and login ads.

2.) Chat Window - The cutout to fit against the '&' button was a nice addition, But that took away from typing real-estate, and that super-LARGE 'GENERAL', doesnt need to be that big, its taking away from typing room that i previously had and liked. I prefer to be able to back-read for typos as i type, im sure others do also. You also broke the ability to go back and add text or say '/g' in front of something you typed. Nothing happens now. Seems some peoples ability to chat was completely broken and were only able to communicate to others through /tells. Others seem to hate that the invis/hide button is on the top right now, which when you make the window invis, you have a box in the middle of the screen. Besides the Cutout, waste of Developer time.

RECCOMEND: Leave the cutout, remove the word general, we know by the tab at the top, we are speaking in general, and move the eye(invis/hide) to the top or bottom left so its against the screen/monitors edge and not in the middle of the screen.

3.) Stat Tomes - It seems that Turbine wants us to know that we can buy stat tomes. As if the Promo's, Banners, and DDO store hasnt informed us by now. Now, when you hover over a stat on your character sheet, YEP! you guessed it, DDO store baby! Character sheet is ruined, now instead of checking/comparing stats, i feel like im shopping at Wal-Mart!

RECCOMEND: Remove the pop-ups letting us know that we can get stat tomes in the store.

Now i did see some positive fixes regarding past Bugs and i love the new auction house. But please Devs, Read 1-3 over and over until your head hurts like ours does. Then proceed to make positive Changes regarding these. As the popular Vote is in, These changes Suck.

In all Honesty, Over time, These changes will cause more players to move back to an ad-free subscription model Game or another free-to-play, Than they will make you money... Do you really see people buying negative level potions? There are too many reasons not to. I see this just making many people angry.

I see the negative level pop-up(screen-block-o-rama) as a way that Turbine is killing us off so we buy rez cakes, its not about the potions at all.../Conspiracy.





Over and Out.

Really?

The problems you described, you consider them "horrible?"


The "ads" for Turbine products are still, no matter what anyone says, rather subtly included in the game. When the time comes that I have to manually close pop-up ads blocking my screen, that's when the game will be "horrible." If there is some hover text on occasion, how does that affect anyone? Because you can see it?

Personally, I don't like the new chat box, but it certainly hasn't ruined the game for me or made it "horrible." I have my chat box on the left sice of my screen, and I keep it invisible, but now I have this "floating eye" sticking out into my play area - not as good as it used to be before update 16, IMHO. But I wouldn't say it has "ruined" my screen or made the game "horrible."


I think you should perhaps learn to differentiate between what is horrible, what ruins the character sheet, and what is a minor change that you maybe don't like but that doesn't really make any substantial impact either way.

[SirShen]

also

4. You have made the money amounts in the inventory so small yet the box for 3. in OP list is so big you cant miss it. Can someone tell me why they had to change the size? also its the same for the bank money amounts.

[Silverwren]

As I stated in a different thread, Turbine will NEVER be able to make 100% of players happy. It's a statistical impossibility. So I'm just going to be happy I have a game to play, buy a Turbine Points card every now and again, and adapt to any and all changes made by management.

We will all survive, I assure you. ;)

[Aliss7]

2.) Chat Window - The cutout to fit against the '&' button was a nice addition, But that took away from typing real-estate, and that super-LARGE 'GENERAL', doesnt need to be that big, its taking away from typing room that i previously had and liked. I prefer to be able to back-read for typos as i type, im sure others do also. You also broke the ability to go back and add text or say '/g' in front of something you typed. Nothing happens now. Seems some peoples ability to chat was completely broken and were only able to communicate to others through /tells. Others seem to hate that the invis/hide button is on the top right now, which when you make the window invis, you have a box in the middle of the screen. Besides the Cutout, waste of Developer time.

RECCOMEND: Leave the cutout, remove the word general, we know by the tab at the top, we are speaking in general, and move the eye(invis/hide) to the top or bottom left so its against the screen/monitors edge and not in the middle of the screen.


Turbine, release a new working art UI customization pack.

[rdasca]

I get into the game today to see that alot has changed. Not for the better it seems....

Players are complaining in-game and all over the forums, Twitter, Facebook and any other social network. That Update 16, is Horrible.

Problems from a players view:

1.) Negative level Potions - Cool you added an item no one 'Needs'(place it next to the +1 Gear) Now, The problem lies in the way you choose to inform us, We dont need to be told everytime we get a neg level, or heal from one, That we can go to the DDO store to buy one, Especially when theres a shrine around the next Corner. The pop-up window is 5x bigger than it ever needed to be. So, down the line, after ive seen that pop-up 1,843,726 times, Do you think im going to forget? Is that why i need to be told over, and over, and over? Or do you think that i will succumb to the spam and buy the item i dont need? Waste of developer time.

RECCOMEND: Change the neg levels warning back to how it should be. Advertise your potions on DDO store banner ads and login ads.
This, it is more than stupid to have spam pop ups while playing the game, guess Turbine thinks their players are to stupid to figure out there is a store.

2.) Chat Window - The cutout to fit against the '&' button was a nice addition, But that took away from typing real-estate, and that super-LARGE 'GENERAL', doesnt need to be that big, its taking away from typing room that i previously had and liked. I prefer to be able to back-read for typos as i type, im sure others do also. You also broke the ability to go back and add text or say '/g' in front of something you typed. Nothing happens now. Seems some peoples ability to chat was completely broken and were only able to communicate to others through /tells. Others seem to hate that the invis/hide button is on the top right now, which when you make the window invis, you have a box in the middle of the screen. Besides the Cutout, waste of Developer time.

RECCOMEND: Leave the cutout, remove the word general, we know by the tab at the top, we are speaking in general, and move the eye(invis/hide) to the top or bottom left so its against the screen/monitors edge and not in the middle of the screen.
Just put it back the way it was, I do not put my chat over the hump, I like it pinned, so the cutout looks silly on my layout.

3.) Stat Tomes - It seems that Turbine wants us to know that we can buy stat tomes. As if the Promo's, Banners, and DDO store hasnt informed us by now. Now, when you hover over a stat on your character sheet, YEP! you guessed it, DDO store baby! Character sheet is ruined, now instead of checking/comparing stats, i feel like im shopping at Wal-Mart!

RECCOMEND: Remove the pop-ups letting us know that we can get stat tomes in the store.
Kill it dead, why anyone thought this was a good idea is beyond me.

Now i did see some positive fixes regarding past Bugs and i love the new auction house. But please Devs, Read 1-3 over and over until your head hurts like ours does. Then proceed to make positive Changes regarding these. As the popular Vote is in, These changes Suck.
"Suck" is a very nice way to put it.

In all Honesty, Over time, These changes will cause more players to move back to an ad-free subscription model Game or another free-to-play, Than they will make you money... Do you really see people buying negative level potions? There are too many reasons not to. I see this just making many people angry.
My "quality of life" is being negatively impacted by this fecal matter, revert these changes ASAP!

I see the negative level pop-up(screen-block-o-rama) as a way that Turbine is killing us off so we buy rez cakes, its not about the potions at all.../Conspiracy.

This would be funny if it did not feel like the truth.



Over and Out.

Please someone at Turbine, get a clue and stop this now, put it back the way it was and say "oops, sorry about that". And while you are at it get rid of the silly cartoonish icons over the barkeep and vendors, they do nothing for the game and are a major distraction from the feel of the game, DDO is not supposed to be cartoonish there are other MMOs out there that already have a cartoon style feel to them it is not needed or wanted here. What is next cute cartoon monk pandas?

[Coyopa]

Please speak for yourself. I appreciate the information and tend to use my mouse in ways that makes it awkward and annoying to mouse over the negative level indicator icon. Many of my characters have to use regular restoration scrolls when fixing negative levels, so having a running count is useful.

Basically, when you get level drained there are really only two things you should be concerned about... fixing your negative levels, and watching that your current hit points are in a safe zone.

It's funny that no one has complained about the center-screen message that pops up when you enter a public instance as the party leader. I find that information to be unuseful and annoying. Still, it lets me know when I accidentally create a public instance unintentionally.

Umm, you are aware that the pop-up dialog always told you how many negative levels you have, right? The only change to the dialog is the advertisement telling you that you can buy stuff to remove them.

[xoowak]

also

4. You have made the money amounts in the inventory so small yet the box for 3. in OP list is so big you cant miss it. Can someone tell me why they had to change the size? also its the same for the bank money amounts.

Potential money cap increase with a new currency beyond plat? The extra space seems about the right size to add another one.

[Gkar]

Oh good, another thread, the other 3 or 4 on the exact same subject weren't enough :rolleyes:

[illusion28]

Oh good, another thread, the other 3 or 4 on the exact same subject weren't enough :rolleyes:

Everyone wants a spot at the forums :D.

Personally I didn't mind the changes, if by doing such sucky advertisement we can keep the game going, then I'm ok with it. Besides, it's not THAT horrible... could be worse.

[amnota]

And the amazing thing is that none of these changes/issues bothers me at all. Does not affect my playstyle or my UI setup.

Some peoples children I tell ya

[MalkavianX]

Yes. here is thought u asky for?
Ive invested nearly 2k over 3 years playing this game. Yes. not a typo.
Still, not even that allows meh to demand special treatment.

Wow, good for you. Thank you for helping support a great game.


However, r u anywhere near that? Mr Vip? Where at... 50 dollars or so? :p

Didn't say I was a vip, but I noticed how quickly you jumped to that conclusion. Turns out you were right, I am vip. Let's do a little math shall we? I joined back in august of '09. That's 17 months. Let's multiply that by the $15 dollars per month I payed for the first 10 months or so. That's $1500-ish. Around there I switched pans and started paying $10 a month, that's another $1000. Since I started playing I've spent approximately $250-$300 on tp's. That's about $2800. Give or take. You said you were at nearly $2k? There are others that have likely spent 2, 3, or even 4 times as much at that. But I digress, this isn't a ****ing contest. Onward!


And where is it written that you are going to keep paying your little fee, say next month? And the month after that? :confused:

Nowhere, just like it isn't written that you will continue spending cash on the game.


They are planning on your little payment. yes.
Little payments from lots of paying customers goes a long way.
And you have a right to be heard.

But they are also living on my money. And lots of little peops like myself who fork it up.

humorous to hear from those who believe they are entitled, for whatever reason.


I never said I was entitled, so I don't understand the inflammatory tone of your post. Look at it from an accounting point of view. They know that when someone buys a year subscription that the money they paid is already in their hands, right? However, the f2p and premium people might spend X amount of cash in a given month. If I gave you the impression that I felt I was entitled to better treatment than premium or f2p, You're wrong. I was just making a suggestion. Maybe next time make a suggestion of your own instead of jumping down someone else's throat for making a suggestion.

I have another suggestion that might actually happen. How about turbine puts a "new character sheet" in the ddo store for 250-500 tp's? Cleans all those miscellaneous ads off your character sheet! C'mon, like no one else has ever doodled around the edges of their character sheet while playing pnp dnd before. How many times have you had to re-write your character sheet during a single campaign? At least the might do this one, 'cause we all know that we can yell and scream until we're blue in the face about the way it is now and they'll likely never change it.

P.S. "Mr. Vip"..... I kinda like that. I wonder what I'd have to do to get that as a forum title. :D

[blerkington]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.



Everyone wants a spot at the forums :D.

Personally I didn't mind the changes, if by doing such sucky advertisement we can keep the game going, then I'm ok with it. Besides, it's not THAT horrible... could be worse.

Hi,

I wonder about the reasoning behind these arguments. Are these ads required to keep the lights on? How exactly do the people making these claims know that?

And are these ads going to be effective? For each person posting who says they are okay with them, there seem to be considerably more who aren't.

I think it's a shame we're at the point of arguing over what we're prepared to put up with rather than discussing what makes for a good game. This is just another sign of how diminished people's expectations are now, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

Thanks.

[Gunga]

I like these reccomendations.

[countfitz]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.

Here's the problem. This change won't help them keep the lights on. It's marketing 102, Know Your Audience!

DDO players are primarily older, primarily nerds, and primarily former (or current) D&D players who have spent their lives 'fighting the system' or being beaten up by the system, or by jocks, or by bullies, or by 'the man' and we do not respond well to the corporate mainstream.

Now, I know DDO has moved further and further away from this, into a run of the mill Action MMO, and if that's what they want, fine, but remember you said that.

And, this game is too old to bring in the kind of people they seem to be aiming at with their changes. Nobody who likes these kinds of changes is the kind of person who thinks "Hey, I'll try that nerdy game from six years ago and see if it's the right fit for me!"

It's a failure on both ends.

[illusion28]

Hi,

I wonder about the reasoning behind these arguments. Are these ads required to keep the lights on? How exactly do the people making these claims know that?

And are these ads going to be effective? For each person posting who says they are okay with them, there seem to be considerably more who aren't.

I think it's a shame we're at the point of arguing over what we're prepared to put up with rather than discussing what makes for a good game. This is just another sign of how diminished people's expectations are now, and that doesn't bode well for the future.

Thanks.

By implementing this ads, or right click shorcuts to the DDO store they're trying to create an impulse buy, weather it's because a toon is about to finish a quest but can't unless they get some (insert item here) and leaving the dungeon would cause into less XP, maybe they're in a place where mobs spawn, any reason, then they have more "tips" of how to complete a quest, just by spending some real money. Add all those US$ 7.99 impulse buyers and you get a nice amount of money world-wide speaking. So yeah, I do think it's a way to help the game stay afloat. All incomes are GOOD incomes, specially since lots of players are F2P.

What many people forget is that we play a game, that is a BUSINESS for others, and they HAVE to make money, otherwise the business closes (and we lose the game).

And I'll say it again, I don't mind at all those changes, life isn't ruined because they made the Neg level pop up bigger, it goes away after a while, untill you start recovering, so all those DOOOM THREADING about it are kinda (for me) overreacting, same for other things that are really minimal changes. I'll cave for the bugs that won't allow you to play, but advert placing.. don't mind it really.

[arminius]

Turbine, release a new working art UI customization pack.

....In the store.

[smkalinowski]

Let's do a little math shall we? I joined back in august of '09. That's 17 months. Let's multiply that by the $15 dollars per month I payed for the first 10 months or so. That's $1500-ish. Around there I switched pans and started paying $10 a month, that's another $1000. Since I started playing I've spent approximately $250-$300 on tp's. That's about $2800.

Dude, I'm totally NOT taking sides in this debate, but your math is off...a lot. If you've been playing for 17 months (may be more since its been more than 17 months since August '09):

$15 x first 10 months = $150 not $1500.
7 more months at $10 = $70.

Total = $220 + $300 (TP) = $520, lets factor high and say $600 total.

If we do all VIP from August 09: 39 months

$15 x first 10 months = $150
29 more months at $10 = $290

Total = $440 + $300 (TP) = $740, factor high and say $800

Not trying to troll, or anything, but I'm a stat analyst and your math made me twitchy.

[Kominalito]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.


turbine -> puts more ads in game for revenue every update-> every update has more and more bugs.

there is no logic in this at all.

[GeneralDiomedes]

Here's the problem. This change won't help them keep the lights on. It's marketing 102, Know Your Audience!

DDO players are primarily older, primarily nerds, and primarily former (or current) D&D players who have spent their lives 'fighting the system' or being beaten up by the system, or by jocks, or by bullies, or by 'the man' and we do not respond well to the corporate mainstream.

Now, I know DDO has moved further and further away from this, into a run of the mill Action MMO, and if that's what they want, fine, but remember you said that.


That's great that you have better data than Turbine on the demographics of their subscriber base. I also chuckled heartily at your stereotyping of former D&D 'geeks', of which I am one and don't come anywhere close to your humorous characterization. Remember, D&D was very popular in the 80s and all kinds of folks played it.

Fernando has stated in an interview they are cognizant of the fine line between alienating customers and promoting the free-to-play model. He specifically stated you have to be careful how far you push people or you will scare them away. I assume he was referring to the paywall fiasco from a few years back.

Anyways, back to fighting 'the man'.

[Kadran]

lol, sorry bout that, I just got off a 12 hour shift when I wrote that. Just sat down and re-read it and went, ***? So, ya, my bad, $800-ish sounds a lot better.



Pwn themselves? Really?

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x21/Jolaxle/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg


+1 for literally making me lol at work. It's been a long day and I needed that pic. :-)

[Ganak]

At this point, I'm not too fussed about in-game advertising if it means DDO can keep the lights on. It's way down on the list after more content, better graphics and less bugs.

Yep.

I love the raid timer bypasses. I never buy them myself, but seeing what others are forking over...keep DDO going strong.:)