NEW - Tome Upgrades can now be found in random treasure

[Tid12]

NEW - Tome Upgrades can now be found in random treasure. These wondrous items will allow you to upgrade an existing inherent bonus in an ability score to the next higher inherent bonus. Upgrades that turn a +4 Inherent Bonus into a +5 Inherent Bonus will be able to be found in treasure levels of 27 and higher.


Level 27 of higher.

That means level 23 quests on EE with +2 Jewel, right? I honestly like the idea. Just have to see if they really exist or they are another lie (*cough* +5 tomes in EE CitW *cough*)

Discuss.

[xTethx]

All information is false until otherwise proven true. ;)

[Tid12]

All information is false until otherwise proven true. ;)

They would never lie to us!

[QuantumFX]

I want to know what treasure level is required for a +3 to +4 upgrade.

[Bunker]

If I have a character that has consumed all 6 +2 tomes, then any +3 tome would be considered a Tome Upgrade.

Why insert an item to upgrade a +2 to +3, or +3 to +4, ect...... If all you have to do is use a +3, or +4.

If this is a ruse, why not say that +5 tomes are dropping in game.

-Bunk

P.S. SSOIDH

[redspecter23]

If I have a character that has consumed all 6 +2 tomes, then any +3 tome would be considered a Tome Upgrade.

Why insert an item to upgrade a +2 to +3, or +3 to +4, ect...... If all you have to do is use a +3, or +4.

If this is a ruse, why not say that +5 tomes are dropping in game.

-Bunk

P.S. SSOIDH

Well this might be a first step toward changing the way tomes work. Right now, if we pull a theoretical +5 unbound tome, we can give it to any old toon and they jump right to a +5 bonus. If this new upgrade item is a sign of a completely new system that abolishes all regular tomes other than +1 and forces you to upgrade then it means a few things.

1. No instant upgrade. You have to go through all the steps or have an old tome in hand.

2. You have to go through all the steps. If you pull a +4 to +5 upgrade, but don't have a +4 yet, you are on hold until you do

which brings us to...

3. DDO store sales. Turbine can sell all 4 tiers of upgrades and standard +1 tomes. If you pull a higher tier, you can very simply get your +3 to +4 upgrade from the store in order to "use" the higher tier upgrade. Under the current system, you would just have a +5 tome, but under a new model, you have to have all the other tiers first.

I know that's a bit tin foil hatty of me but it's just a bit of conjecture and speculation.

[gphysalis]

They would never lie to us!

The above statement is false until proven true, but so is my statement.

[Bunker]

Well this might be a first step toward changing the way tomes work. Right now, if we pull a theoretical +5 unbound tome, we can give it to any old toon and they jump right to a +5 bonus. If this new upgrade item is a sign of a completely new system that abolishes all regular tomes other than +1 and forces you to upgrade then it means a few things.

1. No instant upgrade. You have to go through all the steps or have an old tome in hand.

2. You have to go through all the steps. If you pull a +4 to +5 upgrade, but don't have a +4 yet, you are on hold until you do

which brings us to...

3. DDO store sales. Turbine can sell all 4 tiers of upgrades and standard +1 tomes. If you pull a higher tier, you can very simply get your +3 to +4 upgrade from the store in order to "use" the higher tier upgrade. Under the current system, you would just have a +5 tome, but under a new model, you have to have all the other tiers first.

I know that's a bit tin foil hatty of me but it's just a bit of conjecture and speculation.
True, but again this all falls to what I said in post script.

SSOIDH

-Bunk

P.S. The only thing worse than speculation on live servers is speculation on test servers.

[MrkGrismer]

The above statement is false until proven true, but so is my statement.

There is an exception to every rule, including this one.

[gphysalis]

There is an exception to every rule, including this one.

But you can rest assured that there are no exceptions to rules that don't exist.

Back to the OP,
This would be really nice if the tomes are actually obtainable from random drops, and don't have a 1 in 1000001 chance of dropping,

[Feather_of_Sun]

Back to the OP,
This would be really nice if the tomes are actually obtainable from random drops, and don't have a 1 in 1000001 chance of dropping,

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

[Tid12]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

That's nice news. But, like Teth said, nothing is true untile proven otherwise.

As far as we know, +5s don't exist. So the "+4 to +5 tome upgrade" might have the same fate.

[Arlathen]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

Thats interesting and fun news :)

My toons might actually get to some +4 Inherent bonuses now :D

[gphysalis]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

Thank you for the information,
That is very helpful

Does this include things like TOD end rewards?

[Miow]

Wizard's first rule.

:) Always remember it.

[mwgarn]

I don't understand the point.... Is it a better chance to get a 3 to 4 then a straight 4 tome ? Why code a completly different method and instead just increase drop rates and spend the time fixing bugs...

[Habreno]

I don't understand the point.... Is it a better chance to get a 3 to 4 then a straight 4 tome ? Why code a completly different method and instead just increase drop rates and spend the time fixing bugs...

Iirc, 3 to 4 drops at a lower level than straight 4's.

[MrkGrismer]

I don't understand the point.... Is it a better chance to get a 3 to 4 then a straight 4 tome ? Why code a completly different method and instead just increase drop rates and spend the time fixing bugs...

Because in order to actually use a 3-4 you have to have already used either a +3 or a 2-3. Thus it can have an increased drop rate/availability, since the usage is more restricted.

[Shade]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

You imply that +4 tomes exist in loot tables, 27+. Thats incorrect as my extensive community built guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=387787) has proven.
+3s drop in lvl23+, +4s do not exist in lootgen. I've even had Kookie specifly tell me "I'm generating loot level30" - he made thousands and thousands of items. Plenty of +3s showed up in his piles, +4s did not.

So "when a +4 would drop" being that is currently 0%, that infers that +4 to +5s upgrade tomes also won't exist.

[mwgarn]

Because in order to actually use a 3-4 you have to have already used either a +3 or a 2-3. Thus it can have an increased drop rate/availability, since the usage is more restricted.

Because level restrictions isn't enough? Pointless... Increase drop rate of you really want, don't make excuses don't make yet another useless item to clog loot tables.. If you want it easier for people to have +3 or more then make +3 and higher tomes drop more why make a brand new device.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

That's nice news. But, like Teth said, nothing is true untile proven otherwise.

As far as we know, +5s don't exist. So the "+4 to +5 tome upgrade" might have the same fate.

True enough. But if the posted percentage rates here are correct, I might be joining some of my guildies in their EE farming for +4 tomes runs. (Yes, we know the drop rate is pretty miniscule. But what else is there for them to do these days?)

[Feather_of_Sun]

You imply that +4 tomes exist in loot tables, 27+. Thats incorrect as my extensive community built guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=387787) has proven.
+3s drop in lvl23+, +4s do not exist in lootgen. I've even had Kookie specifly tell me "I'm generating loot level30" - he made thousands and thousands of items. Plenty of +3s showed up in his piles, +4s did not.

So "when a +4 would drop" being that is currently 0%, that infers that +4 to +5s upgrade tomes also won't exist.

This is the Lamannia Preview Server forums.
Anything I state in this section of the forums pertains specifically to the version of the game on Lamannia.

Statements I make regarding Lamannia do not necessarily apply to the version of the game on the Live servers.

On Live, +4 tomes follow a previously established formula, and appear in level 31 treasure. When we were releasing Menace of the Underdark, I thought that we should make them more accessible than that, so I also implemented them as bonus treasure in Epic Elite quests.

With Update 16, I've revisited this, and received permission from my boss, Eladrin, to change the formula which determines what levels the tomes appear at in random treasure.

In Update 16, which is currently on Lamannia, +3 tomes appear in level 23-26 treasure, and +4 tomes appear in level 27+ treasure.

[Cetus]

This is the Lamannia Preview Server forums.
Anything I state in this section of the forums pertains specifically to the version of the game on Lamannia.

Statements I make regarding Lamannia do not necessarily apply to the version of the game on the Live servers.

On Live, +4 tomes follow a previously established formula, and appear in level 31 treasure. When we were releasing Menace of the Underdark, I thought that we should make them more accessible than that, so I also implemented them as bonus treasure in Epic Elite quests.

With Update 16, I've revisited this, and received permission from my boss, Eladrin, to change the formula which determines what levels the tomes appear at in random treasure.

In Update 16, which is currently on Lamannia, +3 tomes appear in level 23-26 treasure, and +4 tomes appear in level 27+ treasure.

So, if level 23+ treasure drops +3's, level 27's drop +4's, does that mean that level 31 chests will now have achance at +5?

That would require a chest blesser, a pirate map, a jewel, and a loot bonus - but it would still be possible right?

[LeoLionxxx]

Big question: Are the upgrade tomes bound or unbound? Becuase once you use one, finding another would be totally useless unless you can trade it; Or convert it to crafting ebberon DShards.

[Shade]

This is the Lamannia Preview Server forums.
Anything I state in this section of the forums pertains specifically to the version of the game on Lamannia.

Statements I make regarding Lamannia do not necessarily apply to the version of the game on the Live servers.

On Live, +4 tomes follow a previously established formula, and appear in level 31 treasure. When we were releasing Menace of the Underdark, I thought that we should make them more accessible than that, so I also implemented them as bonus treasure in Epic Elite quests.

With Update 16, I've revisited this, and received permission from my boss, Eladrin, to change the formula which determines what levels the tomes appear at in random treasure.

In Update 16, which is currently on Lamannia, +3 tomes appear in level 23-26 treasure, and +4 tomes appear in level 27+ treasure.

Thanks for the clarification. Wasn't clear what pertained to live or lamannia since you did mention "currently on live".

[HalfORCastrator]

This is the Lamannia Preview Server forums.
Anything I state in this section of the forums pertains specifically to the version of the game on Lamannia.

Statements I make regarding Lamannia do not necessarily apply to the version of the game on the Live servers.

On Live, +4 tomes follow a previously established formula, and appear in level 31 treasure. When we were releasing Menace of the Underdark, I thought that we should make them more accessible than that, so I also implemented them as bonus treasure in Epic Elite quests.

With Update 16, I've revisited this, and received permission from my boss, Eladrin, to change the formula which determines what levels the tomes appear at in random treasure.

In Update 16, which is currently on Lamannia, +3 tomes appear in level 23-26 treasure, and +4 tomes appear in level 27+ treasure.
With this formula change, do +4 tomes still drop as special loot in EEs?

[ThePrisoner]

You imply that +4 tomes exist in loot tables, 27+. Thats incorrect as my extensive community built guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=387787) has proven.
+3s drop in lvl23+, +4s do not exist in lootgen. I've even had Kookie specifly tell me "I'm generating loot level30" - he made thousands and thousands of items. Plenty of +3s showed up in his piles, +4s did not.

So "when a +4 would drop" being that is currently 0%, that infers that +4 to +5s upgrade tomes also won't exist.

I've pulled a +4 con tome out of the Deal and the Demon easy chest. EE, chest blesser, +2 loot gem. They exist in loot tables.

Also, in response to the "This is false until proven true," comments, you can just as easily say "This is true until proven false."

[redspecter23]

I've pulled a +4 con tome out of the Deal and the Demon easy chest. EE, chest blesser, +2 loot gem. They exist in loot tables.

Also, in response to the "This is false until proven true," comments, you can just as easily say "This is true until proven false."

As mentioned earlier in the thread, those +4 tomes that are specific to MotD EE quests aren't exactly random loot. They don't drop at a particular chest range. They are inserted as bonus loot in MotD EE chests regardless of chest level. You could pull it with no chest blesser and no loot gem just the same. You could even pull a +3 and a +4 in the same chest in theory because of how that specific situation is handled.

The new proposed loot system will have +4's (and +4 to +5 upgrades) truly drop on the standard loot tables for any chest level 27+ meaning you may or may not see the "special" +4 tomes in EE chests, but you can pull these new standard tomes in EE level 23 quests with a loot gem or during a +2 loot weekend in level 22 hard quests or whatever combination gets you to level 27 loot.

[Vargouille]

in response to the "This is false until proven true," comments, you can just as easily say "This is true until proven false."

This is true.

[Tid12]

This is true.

4 months of dozens of guilds doing EE CitW runs and noone pulled a +5 tome yet. And it's not the only thing. You guys said that Tome of Fate +2 could also drop in game. Another lie. Only +1s can be found in game.

There are your proofs that it wouldn't be the first time that you guys said something false.

Until I see someone pull one of those two things (before U16 :) ) in game, then you guys lied to us. Twice.

EDIT: I don't mean "lie" strictly. Just pointing out that stuff isn't dropping after many reports. Hope no offense taken :)

[JOTMON]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

inquiring minds want to know.....

What is the profile of the Ability Tome going to be.

Will they be unbound or fall in the hated Bound to Character on acquire grouping.

Will they be generic pick any existing +4 to upgrade to +5 or will they be stat specific like a "Strength +5 upgrade, must have previously consumed a Strength +4 Tome to be of any use"

[Tid12]

inquiring minds want to know.....

What is the profile of the Ability Tome going to be.

Will they be unbound or fall in the hated Bound to Character on acquire grouping.

Will they be generic pick any existing +4 to upgrade to +5 or will they be stat specific like a "Strength +5 upgrade, must have previously consumed a Strength +4 Tome to be of any use"

Not sure if unbound or BtC/BtA but I can answer the other question:

Here (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=396867) you can see that there are specific tomes and not a general one. So I guess we will see stat specific tomes.

The store ones are BtA from that thread anyway.

[Havok.cry]

This is true.
Not when you are discussing the existence of a thing. It doesn't exist, until it actually exists. It can't exist before it exists. As none exist on live, it does not yet exist... not on live. To argue against that you would have to delve into theology.

[Shade]

I've pulled a +4 con tome out of the Deal and the Demon easy chest. EE, chest blesser, +2 loot gem. They exist in loot tables.


That's not from standard random loot tables, as explained clearly in the guide linked in the very post you quoted.

[My2Cents]

Pardon the noobish question, but how does one come across a level 31 chest?

If I were to assume that the majority of chests were the level of the quest (in general), then a typical quest in the level 25 raid (which I will likely not have much opportunity to find a group for at least right away anyway) on EE with a loot gem would be level 29, add the loot dragonmark and you get 30. How do you reach 31 except during a loot bonus weekend?

And is there any chance of hitting level 31 on any lower level quest like, say, 24?

[redspecter23]

Pardon the noobish question, but how does one come across a level 31 chest?

If I were to assume that the majority of chests were the level of the quest (in general), then a typical quest in the level 25 raid (which I will likely not have much opportunity to find a group for at least right away anyway) on EE with a loot gem would be level 29, add the loot dragonmark and you get 30. How do you reach 31 except during a loot bonus weekend?

And is there any chance of hitting level 31 on any lower level quest like, say, 24?

Level 23 quest
+2 for doing it on elite
+2 store loot gem
+1 chest blesser
+1 Three Barrel Cove map item bonus
+2 global loot event
= 31

You could drop the map bonus if you were in epic elite Caught in the Web or if there were a +3 global loot bonus which happened a short while back. The map bonus is not sustainable for farming purposes.

[ThePrisoner]

That's not from standard random loot tables, as explained clearly in the guide linked in the very post you quoted.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't find your "guides" worth reading.

[Standal]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

Does this mean that 20th completion lists that currently drop +3 tomes will now have a chance of dropping +3 to +4 upgrade tomes?

[sirgog]

I've pulled a +4 con tome out of the Deal and the Demon easy chest. EE, chest blesser, +2 loot gem. They exist in loot tables.

Also, in response to the "This is false until proven true," comments, you can just as easily say "This is true until proven false."

Every EE chest with U14/15 named items has a chance to drop +4 tomes AFAICT.

The +4 tome is special loot, not random loot - evidenced by the fact that it does not replace your regular drops. (e.g. you get '+4 Str Tome' and '+7 Annihalating Bastard Sword of Greater Good', whereas if it was random loot you'd get just the tome without the random item).

[Roland_D'Arabel]

Every EE chest with U14/15 named items has a chance to drop +4 tomes AFAICT.

The +4 tome is special loot, not random loot - evidenced by the fact that it does not replace your regular drops. (e.g. you get '+4 Str Tome' and '+7 Annihalating Bastard Sword of Greater Good', whereas if it was random loot you'd get just the tome without the random item).

Also, on the lam dev track Feather of Sun made this exact statement.

[shadowranger]

how about the rewards of getting 1750 favor?shall I get the tome upgrades?
By the way,do you think it's obsolete for getting +2 tomes as 1750-favor rewards at this time?

[Book_O_Dragons]

Level 23 quest
+2 for doing it on elite
+2 store loot gem
+1 chest blesser
+1 Three Barrel Cove map item bonus
+2 global loot event
= 31

You could drop the map bonus if you were in epic elite Caught in the Web or if there were a +3 global loot bonus which happened a short while back. The map bonus is not sustainable for farming purposes.

I recall somewhere that max loot lvl is 30 on live.

[redspecter23]

I recall somewhere that max loot lvl is 30 on live.

That's entirely possible. It's not easy to test it without a global loot event in place. I would hope that the cap is removed by now, especially with the huge uproar back when they had the +3 loot bonus. People were practically screaming at Turbine that there were artificial caps in place and they just didn't believe it for the longest time. That bonus was completely wasted. They did get around to at least pushing the cap up, but where it is now, I couldn't say.

[maddmatt70]

So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.

[Khellendros13]

So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.

So in other words, a reason to buy the new pack?

Can a dev explain how they expect us to achieve chest lvl 31? I want to know if we are expected to have every single loot buff active.

[maddmatt70]

So in other words, a reason to buy the new pack?

Can a dev explain how they expect us to achieve chest lvl 31? I want to know if we are expected to have every single loot buff active.

If you read the dev post. In Level 27 chests on the Update 16 on Lammania +4 tomes drop. Assuming that this same update 16 on lammania goes to live we will get a shot at the level 25 quest on epic elite without a loot gen and it having greater then a bonus chance. I just want to say I do not think that using a +2 loot gen on normal on that quest should give people a shot at a +4 tome or hard on level 24s. I want incentive to farm epic elite..

[Deathdefy]

If you read the dev post. In Level 27 chests on the Update 16 on Lammania +4 tomes drop. Assuming that this same update 16 on lammania goes to live we will get a shot at the level 25 quest on epic elite without a loot gen and it having greater then a bonus chance. I just want to say I do not think that using a +2 loot gen on normal on that quest should give people a shot at a +4 tome or hard on level 24s. I want incentive to farm epic elite..

The EE incentive is now a real possibility of +5s if I understand Feather of Sun's post correctly.

[Shade]

So from what I hear one of the quests in this pack is level 25.. That will be great for loot farmers. It sounds like that will be a new quest for them to farm for loot on EE. I was thinking the other day about the old POP Elite farmers for e.g... Good times.

Not the case. Turbine thought this one out carefully to make more $$$.

All U16 quests and its explorer area are lvl24.

= 26 on EE. Too low.

So you can not get the best stuff without some form of loot boost now. Gives real incentive to get loot jewels, which while are available outside of the store (eberron shards) - are quite tough to get outside the store.

Plus most players can't handle EE smoothly, so they will most likely do EH with a +2 jewel instead (which are more expensive).

Other option is a chest blesser.. Hope I can find Tuney online heh.

Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.

[xTethx]

Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.

Lame. I mean.... Yay easy farm mode!!!

[NancyD]

You imply that +4 tomes exist in loot tables, 27+. Thats incorrect as my extensive community built guide (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=387787) has proven.
+3s drop in lvl23+, +4s do not exist in lootgen. I've even had Kookie specifly tell me "I'm generating loot level30" - he made thousands and thousands of items. Plenty of +3s showed up in his piles, +4s did not.

So "when a +4 would drop" being that is currently 0%, that infers that +4 to +5s upgrade tomes also won't exist.

But Shade I have had +4 tome unbound drop for me.

[Tid12]

But Shade I have had +4 tome unbound drop for me.

What Shade means is: +4 tomes don't exist in loot tables. They are put specifically in certain chests of certain MotU quests by developers e.g. House of Rusted/death optional chests, End chest of DDTW etc etc like it is stated in his guide.

HOWEVER, if you wanna farm The Druid's Cruse, LV25 quest on EE (or any other U15 quest, or VON3 or any other quest on EE) with a +2 Jewel, +2 loot event and a chest blesser, you will NEVER EVER find a +4 tome because they don't exist in loot tables AT THE MOMENT, on live. Not even if you farm them 20000 times per day without ransack for 200 years.

Thou, if tomes +4 will be added in loot tables like Feather said, that will become possible and you are not required to farm only certain quests, like +3s now.

[maddmatt70]

Not the case. Turbine thought this one out carefully to make more $$$.

All U16 quests and its explorer area are lvl24.

= 26 on EE. Too low.

So you can not get the best stuff without some form of loot boost now. Gives real incentive to get loot jewels, which while are available outside of the store (eberron shards) - are quite tough to get outside the store.

Plus most players can't handle EE smoothly, so they will most likely do EH with a +2 jewel instead (which are more expensive).

Other option is a chest blesser.. Hope I can find Tuney online heh.

Good news is some of the new quests do have a reasonable amount of chests. And most are a joke on EE difficulty wise, so farming out the tomes shouldn't be too unreasonable if the droprates aren't unreasonable.

Bah Turbine. They are the fun killers them and their money. I know alot of guys use to really enjoy that type of play where they farm chests in a group. Back in the elite PoP days there were alot of players who enjoyed that hardcore chest loot style. Many of those players have left the game over the years because Turbine has not catered DDO to them. Sometimes you get instances where you think it might be coming back like some of the chest looting that was going on in update 13, but it is not the same level of widespread looting - not even close. Now Turbine wants to put a price tag on it and limit its appeal. Lousy...

[Cetus]

More easy EE content?

Ah, why would they give us tough stuff that rewards appropriately. Why would they...

Although, on a rare positive note, I do like the upgrade tome idea.

[oweieie]

Is there confirmation that multiple chest blessers don't work? That would kinda be a waste of 3 feats per extra character if so.

[MrkGrismer]

how about the rewards of getting 1750 favor?shall I get the tome upgrades?
By the way,do you think it's obsolete for getting +2 tomes as 1750-favor rewards at this time?

It would be nice to have each of the tome upgrades there as choices, so have:

1. +2 tomes (all)
2. +2 - +3 tome upgrades (all)
3. +3 - +4 tome upgrades (all)
4. +4 - +5 tome upgrades (all)

That would give a huge incentive to TR and get to 1750 favor again and again and again.

[Scraap]

The chance of tomes dropping is actually getting a significant increase.
Currently on Live, every item generated in a chest has a 1 in 434 chance of being an ability score tome.
In Update 16, those odds are increased to 1 in 333.
The new Upgrade tomes will be a sizable percentage of all ability tome drops- for example, when a +4 tome would drop, it will instead have a 25% chance of being a +4 to +5 upgrade tome.

Same goes for +3 tomes (which will drop in treasure chests of level 23-26): 25% of them will be a +3 to +4 upgrade tome.

1/444 for a straight upgrade, and 1/1332 for an incremental, so if you push yourself, you get results quicker, but if not, you still end up close, without turning it into yet one more reason to do elite once, and sleepwalk through hard. Good.

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It would be nice to have each of the tome upgrades there as choices, so have:

1. +2 tomes (all)
2. +2 - +3 tome upgrades (all)
3. +3 - +4 tome upgrades (all)
4. +4 - +5 tome upgrades (all)

That would give a huge incentive to TR and get to 1750 favor again and again and again.

Wouldn't be opposed to say, 2k = 2-3 incremental, 3k 3-4, 4k 4-5. The intent of course being further encouragement for folks to run everything.

[Cyr]

I assume I am not the only one who sees that +5 tomes available from random loot (as upgrade tomes from level 27 chests) while being near impossible to pull in raids is yet another degradation of the game's incentive structure.

This just means more farming of specific chests on EE and shelling out some TP for loot gems.

That is the problem with important loot being found in trash chests. There will always be a chest easier to get then others and unless there are equally compelling reasons to run other content you just chain farm specific chests with all your toons every week.

/mind numbing and boring

[Tuney]

Well , looks like this is a good reason to start playing Tuney again. Been working on leveling up my poor poor Druid Etward. Now maybe they'd let me bless chests again!

[TPICKRELL]

Well , looks like this is a good reason to start playing Tuney again. Been working on leveling up my poor poor Druid Etward. Now maybe they'd let me bless chests again!
Sounds like you are an experienced chest blesser. Can you give me any idea of what Charisma is needed to bless high end chests? I can't find a formula anywhere and I'm debating converting a Horc monk to a dedicated loot farmer/chest blesser. But I don't know if I can restructure him to be a successful high end chest blesser without gimping him as a horc monk.

Any thoughts/guidance would be much appreciated.

[Tuney]

I'm not sure what the CHA numbers are. Tuney is a Bard who invested into CHA. But I did have a friend who did take the marks on a CHA dumped fighter and almost never got his blessings to work. I would say for a 'decent' chance would be around 26 or so. I'm at 38 and almost never see a fail.

[TPICKRELL]

I'm not sure what the CHA numbers are. Tuney is a Bard who invested into CHA. But I did have a friend who did take the marks on a CHA dumped fighter and almost never got his blessings to work. I would say for a 'decent' chance would be around 26 or so. I'm at 38 and almost never see a fail.
Thanks Tuney.

I went ahead and respecced last night. In my first cut I was at 26. I saw about a 65 percent success rate in an Elite Deal and the Demon ransack cycle and about a 75 percent success rate in a half dozen Matron and End Farm of Rusted Blades Hard.

I grabbed more gear after the session, so I'll see what a 30 does tonight. With a 26 I was able to to every chest we tried last night. The only time I ran out of blesses was when my ship buffs ran out, so I agree with you that 26 is a reasonable chance, and is right on the edge. Small sample size, but 24 seemed to be too low.