Feats for SNB Pally

[kanbeki]

Im about to redo my DOS and i'd like some input on feats, 18pal2/monk wf

Current Idea
1power attack
3 barb pl
6 cleave
9 ic slash
12 mith body
15 Shield mas
18 Imp shield mas
21 greater cleave
24 OC
1monk CE
2monk ????

Maybe swap PA at one for monk2 feat and pick up D Axe? Is Daxe worth using without THF feats?

[maddmatt70]

Im about to redo my DOS and i'd like some input on feats, 18pal2/monk wf

Current Idea
1power attack
3 barb pl
6 cleave
9 ic slash
12 mith body
15 Shield mas
18 Imp shield mas
21 greater cleave
24 OC
1monk CE
2monk ????

Maybe swap PA at one for monk2 feat and pick up D Axe? Is Daxe worth using without THF feats?

Yeah try to get D AXE, Bastard Sword, or Khopesh with that extra feat - depends on what your destiny is going to be and what you have available for weapons. The bastard sword is nice with Templar's retribution, epic chimera's fang and the CITW bastard sword (w/planar focus) and if you are going with unyielding as primary. The D-AXE is nice with a combination of Drow Weapon master D-AXE/ Templar's Justice and if you are going dreadnaught nearly all the time. The Khopesh is nice if you have alot of nice khopeshes potentially available such as the drow weapon master and if you go with any of the destinies.

[kanbeki]

Yeah try to get D AXE, Bastard Sword, or Khopesh with that extra feat - depends on what your destiny is going to be and what you have available for weapons. The bastard sword is nice with Templar's retribution, epic chimera's fang and the CITW bastard sword (w/planar focus) and if you are going with unyielding as primary. The D-AXE is nice with a combination of Drow Weapon master D-AXE/ Templar's Justice and if you are going dreadnaught nearly all the time. The Khopesh is nice if you have alot of nice khopeshes potentially available such as the drow weapon master and if you go with any of the destinies.

So Bsword and Daxe are both viable without any THF feats?

also norg what do you think about 2 fighter vs 2 monk since you've had both

[psteen1]

Why warforged at all? A hit to charisma and positive healing- doesn't seem very attractive.

[kanbeki]

Why warforged at all? A hit to charisma and positive healing- doesn't seem very attractive.

Because the character is already warforged and its named Tachikoma, it could never be fleshy

[psteen1]

maybe you need to get empowered healing in there to make your self-healing at least a little more effective.

[maddmatt70]

So Bsword and Daxe are both viable without any THF feats?

Yeah they add more dps or have nice weapon options but the THF feats help the dps.



also norg what do you think about 2 fighter vs 2 monk since you've had both

Hmm well this is complicated because 2 monk provides evasion and saves which are great, but you would go with a non tower shield and non heavy armor which would lower your ac and physical resistance a little so then it becomes a question of which of the destinies do you want to spend the majority of your time in unyielding or dreadnaught and what feats you want to choose. It may make more sense to go with 2 fighter if you go with dreadnaught just because you would probably want the tower shield and full plate aspect. I think in the end because you do not have dodge, mobilty, spring attack as feats and do not thus take advantage of the light armor for dodge offers you probably want to go with 2 fighter.

[maddmatt70]

Why warforged at all? A hit to charisma and positive healing- doesn't seem very attractive.

Well who knows what the enhancement pass will bring..

[Kmnh]

Isn't the THF line better than OC, DPS-wise?

[kanbeki]

Isn't the THF line better than OC, DPS-wise?

Thats really my question would it be worth it to take all the feats for oc? LD requires cleave anyway and would prob be my primary ED once I finish, if I took the thf feats I'd pretty much be stuck as US or unable to use most of LDs abilities

[Kmnh]

Thats really my question would it be worth it to take all the feats for oc? LD requires cleave anyway and would prob be my primary ED once I finish, if I took the thf feats I'd pretty much be stuck as US or unable to use most of LDs abilities

Dump 3 feats between OC, IC, mith body and Barb PL. Take the 3 THF feats. Take D-Axe proficiency as the ???? feat.

LD will give you a 18-20/x3 with the D-axe anyway even if you have no crit feats.

Cleave attacks proc glancing blows, so having both cleaves and the THF line is a good thing.

[maddmatt70]

Dump 3 feats between OC, IC, mith body and Barb PL. Take the 3 THF feats. Take D-Axe proficiency as the ???? feat.

LD will give you a 18-20/x3 with the D-axe anyway even if you have no crit feats.

Cleave attacks proc glancing blows, so having both cleaves and the THF line is a good thing.

If going dreadnaught I would go 18 pally 2 fighter, but then has to get adamantine body feat I think for the better physical resistance rating (have not played warforge in a long time so can not verify this)? He should keep I crit slash I think to. I do not agree that great cleave is necessary although it is nice so that could be dumped. One interesting possiblitiy is Barb PL depending on hit points and intimidate. Note for dreadnaught you have to twist legendary shield mastery that is huge.

So go with:
F1 THF
F2 ITHF
GTHF
Icrit Slash
Power Attack
Cleave
Dwarve Axe prof
Shield Mastery
Improved Shield Mastery
Either Adamantine Body/Barb Past life/Great Cleave

Note if you went with unyielding sentenial as main destiny always fight in stand against the tide stance and get good and holy weapon damage maxed for that stance and then twist momentum swing..

[Bombfish]

Seems like as good a thread as any to ask:

I re-read Junts' Paladin FAQ and one thing it pointed out was the use of the feat Extend Spell to get the most out of your SP, for things like Divine Favor and Zeal. It could just be the apparent "change in the metagame", or whatever you want to call it, but over getting back into the game over the last month or so and reading around the forums I do not see much mention made of this particular feat, or really anything that strays away from making sure that THF and Cleave are trained up.

I realize that with any given MMORPG the "boardies" tend to have slightly higher standards than the average players, and while it appeals to me to know what the most effective strategies are, is it generally just not recommended to make use of Extend Spell anymore? If a S&B Pally avoids the THF line and just grabs Cleave and Power Attack, are they missing out on a lot? I'm personally pretty fond of the spell clickies, so it may not matter what anyone has to say about this :D

Speaking of clickies - the old Exalted Smite and Divine Sacrifice things are still good too? Or is it all about feats now, Cleave, WW, Stunning Blow, that sort of thing. I could free up a few action points if they aren't worth it anymore.

I'm strongly considering 2 levels of Fighter to try and cram all the good things in there, seems that's a popular way to build a solid DoS. I'll need to see Fred and untrain my feat I already spent on Tower Shield if I do end up doing that, so maybe I won't even feel it if I take up THF.

[Enoach]

While Junt's Guide is a good starting point for any Would-Be Paladin, it is dated.


Feats have been updated - Some Like Shield Master add Double Strike, others like Mobility now add other Defense related bonuses
Epic Levels and Destinies were still a glimmer and not realized at the time.


Keeping these in mind you need to adjust some of the advice given in that thread, which a lot of it is still relevant.

Next point is on Extend Spell - Useful at lower levels, but with Con-Op and/or Torc a paladin can generate enough SP to keep the combat buffs going for a good long while. Also the Tower Shield Feat is easily replaceable with the use of UMD for a Level 1 Scroll of Master's Touch. It is a small investment as you don't have to reach "No Fail" as it is a buff that lasts between shrine/completion and can easily be applied before you start combat.

The reason Cleave is starting to make it into the high contender list of Feats is because it opens up Momentum Swing (Tier 2 LD so not very expensive to twist) - Requirements are PA and Cleave. While PA was a common feat taken by DoS, Cleave was not so this is making people really consider which feats are important.

[emptysands]

Why warforged at all? A hit to charisma and positive healing- doesn't seem very attractive.

WF are the only no/light armor build that can potentially have the PDK set bonus.

Not a big win, but could be useful for a tank.