Amount of essences gained - update needed

[shawnvw]

The DDO Wiki has this handy chart that describes how my essences you get by deconstructing a particular effect level from an item:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Cannith_Crafting#Amount_of_essences_gained


It's handy, that is, but it's outdated. Haven't the values changed since U11? At the very least, the Levels now go up to 9. Plus the writer doesn't make it clear that the chance of gettting any Greater Essences is 1 in 3.

Does anyone know the current values?

[HunterjWizzard]

The wiki is often annoyingly outdated. Its als ambiguous, poorly laid out, and confusing.

But I guess an updated wiki with accurate information is like a game update with no bugs.

[Vordax]

The DDO Wiki has this handy chart that describes how my essences you get by deconstructing a particular effect level from an item:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Cannith_Crafting#Amount_of_essences_gained


It's handy, that is, but it's outdated. Haven't the values changed since U11? At the very least, the Levels now go up to 9. Plus the writer doesn't make it clear that the chance of gettting any Greater Essences is 1 in 3.

Does anyone know the current values?

Nice thing about a wiki, is anyone can edit it. Thanks for volunteering. :p:)

[shawnvw]

Nice thing about a wiki, is anyone can edit it. Thanks for volunteering. :p:)

Don't take that tone of voice with me, young lady! I spent an hour this week updating the Detailed Crafting Steps page, and did a very good job, too!

As for the Amount of Essences Gained -- I'd glady put in the correct values if I knew where to find them. Maybe I should post a question on the forum.

[Vordax]

Don't take that tone of voice with me, young lady! I spent an hour this week updating the Detailed Crafting Steps page, and did a very good job, too!

As for the Amount of Essences Gained -- I'd glady put in the correct values if I knew where to find them. Maybe I should post a question on the forum.

Well Mom, IRC the amount given out for deconstructing was given to us by a dev. It has since changed, so testing is probably the only way to figure it out now.

[Kinerd]

I posted values for each tier from 1-5 some time ago (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=322005). It turns out that at least the level 5 lessers were wrong: instead of 10d3 + 12 (avg 32) the true value is (allegedly) 16d3 (avg... 32). [Probably my formula for level 4 lessers was also wrong: instead of 6d3 + 4 (avg 16) the true value is probably 8d3 (avg 16).]

There is also the "high-level" loot effect to consider, especially considering our only avenue is empirical testing. Given that 100% of my level 5 deconstructions came from high level loot, it is reasonable to assume that 100% of level 6+ deconstructions will also be from high level loot.

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We know straight away that we can't extrapolate directly from the 1-5 values, because that would give us an average of 256 for a (base) level 8 decon and we're told it's only 40d3 = 80. However, if we have to go from 32 to 80 in 3 steps, it's conceivable that we go linearly and add 16 for each, so...
level 5: 16d3
level 6: 24d3
level 7: 32d3
level 8: 40d3

I don't have a ton of data yet, but I have 35 decons at level 7 that gave me 2744 lessers (and 2744 / 35 / (.5 * 2 + .5 * 2.5) = 34.84), and 26 decons at level 6 that gave me 1538 lessers (and the same = 26.29). I'm feeling pretty confident.

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The greaters are really weird. The weirdest I saw was 11 from a level 7. I had 313 high-level level 5 decons before update 15: 97 produced greaters, and 0 produced more than 6 greaters. If the high-level effect caused something like 150% * max greater 50% of the time, I would have at least had a 1/14 chance at 7, but the odds of not seeing a single 7 out of 97 greaters is less than a tenth of a percent. Either the high-level effect on greaters was changed altogether (possible) or it operates fundamentally differently on level 6+, which already makes a kind of sense because we are told it goes from 1dlevel to 2dsomething else for level 8. At the same time, the greaters I've measured for 6 are a lot more in line with 1-5 than with 7, and I have hardly any 8 measurements.

Short version: if you assume 1dlevel and 1d(level +1) for high-level effect, you will at least have a good floor.

[shawnvw]

I updated the chart on the wiki. I hope I got it right!

[Vordax]

I updated the chart on the wiki. I hope I got it right!

Great. +1

[RabidApathy]

The greaters are really weird. The weirdest I saw was 11 from a level 7.

Thaumaturgy staves seem especially weird, though I've gotten results off the chart for normal items as well.

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