sorcerer's sp is kinda low?

[CircleK]

Hey guys is 1960 sp low sp for a level 17 warforged sorcerer with energy of the dragonblooded 4, pearl of power 9, (180+ sp), and 30 charisma?

I see lots of people around my level with 2600+ and these are first lifers



So am i low?

[Ague]

that is a tad low for your level... one of the biggest perks of being a sorcerer is for the larger SP pool. You may want to consider looking into swapping an enhancement or 2 for the SP enhancements is you don't already have them.

Also, you will want to be on the lookout for Power/Wizardry items to equip. they give double their bonus to sorcerers and favored souls. And also, if you didn't max Charisma, your SP will suffer as well. More CHA = more SP. At lvl 17, you should already have a +6 CHA item which will give you a nice little boost.

Once you start leveling up your Epic Destinies, the Magister line gives bonuses to SP as well as an Epic Feat you can take to give a 200SP boost.

Bottom line is if you aren't sitting around 3,000 SP by level 20, you're going to be a SP pot-a-holic. And that's a VERY expensive habit.:eek:

[CircleK]

thanks, but I just said I have all the sp enhancements, and I have pearl of power IX, and I have a charismatic +6 cloak, I guess I just need a better sp item. I guess an extra 180 sp isn't enough.

[PurdueDave]

The difference is gear.

better wizardy item, shroud item, guild slot, elemental spell power

[CircleK]

yeah i am currently working on a concordant opposition item

I also plan to get a new wizardry item soon.


Out of all my characters, my sorc is the most poorly geared. I guess I need to change that.

[glowbug]

Bottom line is if you aren't sitting around 3,000 SP by level 20, you're going to be a SP pot-a-holic. And that's a VERY expensive habit.:eek:

Yeahhhh, No. I think most sorc's hit 20 with around 2500 mana unless they are TR's or well funded.

Mana Sources:
20 sorc: 1730 base
Enh(II): 70
CHA(30):290 +29 per 2 more CHA you get
Archmagi:400
Shroud: +50/100/200
*Large Guild slot:160
**Cove Trinket: 100

So a lvl 20 WF sorc with 34 cha, archmagi, shroud SP item, and Tier-II SP enhancments would have 2898, 3158 if in a high level guild and wearing a large slot item and with cove trinket.

Yes thats where you want to be eventually, but no you wont be a Pot-a-holic if you don't meet those requirements by lvl 20. HOWEVER, the biggest factor is your playstyle, gathering a large pile of mobs and then sheild blocking in an ice storm / cloudkill will cost you less mana per kill than DBF'n 3 mobs at a time all the way thru the quest.

The easiest thing to do is going to be to replace your pearl of power with another trinket (shard of xoriat works nicely for sorcs) and look for a helm of wizardry VII (ML 15 ish) or archmagi item on the AH.

[CircleK]

Yeahhhh, No. I think most sorc's hit 20 with around 2500 mana unless they are TR's or well funded.

Mana Sources:
20 sorc: 1730 base
Enh(II): 70
CHA(30):290 +29 per 2 more CHA you get
Archmagi:400
Shroud: +50/100/200
*Large Guild slot:160
**Cove Trinket: 100

So a lvl 20 WF sorc with 34 cha, archmagi, shroud SP item, and Tier-II SP enhancments would have 2898, 3158 if in a high level guild and wearing a large slot item and with cove trinket.

Yes thats where you want to be eventually, but no you wont be a Pot-a-holic if you don't meet those requirements by lvl 20. HOWEVER, the biggest factor is your playstyle, gathering a large pile of mobs and then sheild blocking in an ice storm / cloudkill will cost you less mana per kill than DBF'n 3 mobs at a time all the way thru the quest.

The easiest thing to do is going to be to replace your pearl of power with another trinket (shard of xoriat works nicely for sorcs) and look for a helm of wizardry VII (ML 15 ish) or archmagi item on the AH.

Yeah I checked the AH, no helms of wizardry VII ('sept for one that I definitely couldn't afford; it had a large guild augment slot), and there were no archmagi items either. And how would one shield block effectively as a sorc? How much damage does that reduce?

[Hobgoblin]

it's not the size of the mana pool, its how you use it!


hob


i almost said that with a straight face

[Matuse]

Level 17 Sorcerer = 1290
Magical Trainining = 80
30 Cha = 260
= 1630

Energy of the Dragonblooded IV = 150
PoP IX = 180

= 1960

Starting with an 18 Cha, +3 Sorc Enh, +4 Levels, +6 item = 31 Cha

So, aside from a sub-par SP item, you're pretty much where you should be. Get a Wizardry VI or Archmagi item. Archmagi would be another 120 points. A Shroud SP item brings you up by another 300.

[CircleK]

How would I use a shield and spell-sling effectively? I use a quarterstaff that gives 52 percent potency to all spells and 72 percent potency to acid, because I'm an earth savant, with fire as secondary. I know about the skyvault shield and all, but, thaumaturgy quarterstaves give an incredible bonus to spellpower, and I feel like that's more important. Also, I have only 276 hp, how can I get that higher? I have 25 constitution. +5 health belt.

[Hobgoblin]

How would I use a shield and spell-sling effectively? I use a quarterstaff that gives 52 percent potency to all spells and 72 percent potency to acid, because I'm an earth savant, with fire as secondary. I know about the skyvault shield and all, but, thaumaturgy quarterstaves give an incredible bonus to spellpower, and I feel like that's more important. Also, I have only 276 hp, how can I get that higher? I have 25 constitution. +5 health belt.

get a minos

get a +2 con tome.

if you are wf/dwarf take the con enhancment and the first 2 levels of tough enhancment.

btw get the toughness feat

hob

[CircleK]

I have minos, I have toughness, I have toughness enhancements.

[Hobgoblin]

I have minos, I have toughness, I have toughness enhancements.

really? that seems really low. what was your starting con. ?

Also get a greensteel hp item. failing that - at least get an alchemist pendant



hob

[CircleK]

It seems greensteel is the answer to everything lol. I'll try to get an alchemical pendant, I need to finish my sp greensteel item. Also, my base constitution is 20.



EDIT: I just found out there was a sustaining symbiont in my inventory lmao

[Hobgoblin]

o almost forgot.

once you hit 21 - with a +1 tome - you can take epic toughness. extra 50 hp right there

hob

[CircleK]

ok thx

[LordArkan]

WF Sorc thread with no mention of the Epic Ring of Master Artifice?
Archmagi and Reconstruction +96, hard to go wrong with that.


(Yeah, I know he's not lv20. Still.)

[MRMechMan]

It is almost 100% because of gear.

Level 17 untwinked:

1370 base
180 (2x90 pearl)
110 enh
260 cha (16base+4lvl+1tome+6item+3enh=30)
=1920 spellpoints

Level 17 Twinked
1370 base
400 archmagi (fanion/ioun/skiver, etc etc)
300greensteel (concop goggles for me)
286 cha (16+4lvl+3tome+6item+3enh=32) [minor difference]
110 enh [same]
160large augment
90 sorc past life (Prereq for preII anyway)
100 pirate trinket (swap in/out)
=2816 spellpoints

And potentially 120 more from sorc/fvs past lives.

Greensteel, archmagi are the biggest differences. Thats ~500 right there.

A TR sorc may well have ~2000sp at level 10 just because of the gear. My 10sorc/7 barb has ~1900...mostly gear and a bit from past lives.

[Ague]

Yeahhhh, No. I think most sorc's hit 20 with around 2500 mana unless they are TR's or well funded.
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I did say around 3k... with proper gear and stats, that's not out of the question for a first-lifer at level 20... granted, I did take into consideration, GS and other high-end items, but gear is a pretty major factor of building toons... :eek: Especially toons that rely heavily on their blue bar for survival...

oh, and speaking of gear, you'll also want to get a Concordant Opposition item crafted and at least make an attempt at getting a Torc... :rolleyes: the Torc's drop rate isn't exactly the greatest.

[CircleK]

Yeah I really need to replace my shaman's beads (please don't laugh at me) with a torc, after all, I am flagged, I just haven't done it yet


I have my gs items planned out and they are safely ensconced in text documents that will guide me through. Sp item first, then I do hp item. I want to replace my sustaining symbiont with a pale lavender, since this toon was primarily built to deal with people who **** me off in pvp.

I will try my best to get fanion, but then I'll lose my thaumaturgy 1/4staff, which provides large bonuses to spellpower, so what should my potency/corrosion item be?

[glowbug]

You don't have to bolt the sheild on to your left hand and never remove it 8).

just find a +5 tower or large sheild with some decent stuff on it (honestly #1 choice would be magma surge guard b/c it slows enemies attack rate) even though it will say DR 10 or something when you inspect it, it will block around 18 points of physical dmg due to bab while you are sheild blocking, as well as stopping some physical attacks with special properties, like the vermins poison strike (or the petrify strike of those **** stone scorps in Rainbow).

use your Qstaff as you do now, just change to the sheild when you want to block for a minute. BEWARE the arcane failure chance if trying to cast reconstruct while holding a shield though. (pots still work 100%)

You may in time acquire a named shield that doesn't have an arcane failure chance, but there is no reason not to use something while you look for it 8)

[CircleK]

ok I see.

[Matuse]

You can also get a shield with low arcane failure, like the new and improved Fanion. Really nice shield for being ML: 12