How many Turbine Points per page (monster)? [Archive]

Coldin

08-21-2012, 01:10 AM

Thanks for your thoughts.

I expect the cost to be 595 per volume (but I have no control over this and it could change so don't hold me to it).

Each page of Volumes 1 & 2 pays 50 Turbine Points (for a total of 500 points per volume). Assuming you play enough, the volume ends up costing only 95 points. If you only play a bit, you might only earn 150 points back per volume.

Of course Volume 1 is free if you've ever purchased points (i.e. you're a premium player) and all volumes are free to VIPs.

I don't usually like bringing up dev quotes from Lamannia, but this could use some clarification. Supposedly the monster manual is supposed to be giving about 500 points return per volume. So far though, I'm only seeing 15 Turbine Points back for completing the second Exterminator deed per monster. With only 10 monsters per volume, that only works out to 150 TP return.

Is there some deed I'm missing that also bestows Turbine Points? Or is there some TP that's currently missing from the deeds? (The last Exterminator deed actually has no reward at the moment)

Or was this simply changed, and players are not supposed to earn back the cost of the monster manual anymore?

Daemoneyes

08-21-2012, 04:38 AM

I don't usually like bringing up dev quotes from Lamannia, but this could use some clarification. Supposedly the monster manual is supposed to be giving about 500 points return per volume. So far though, I'm only seeing 15 Turbine Points back for completing the second Exterminator deed per monster. With only 10 monsters per volume, that only works out to 150 TP return.

Is there some deed I'm missing that also bestows Turbine Points? Or is there some TP that's currently missing from the deeds? (The last Exterminator deed actually has no reward at the moment)

Or was this simply changed, and players are not supposed to earn back the cost of the monster manual anymore?

Well they never said u get all the TP back in only one Life ^^

Coldin

08-21-2012, 10:02 AM

Well they never said u get all the TP back in only one Life ^^

Considering all the TP rewards are in the Account deeds, how many lives you run wouldn't really matter.

Frotz

08-21-2012, 10:17 AM

And some of the deeds have no rewards. Now that looks like an oversight/bug.

THOTHdha

08-21-2012, 07:00 PM

It would certainly be nice if this issue got some attention quickly. If people start filling up those bars and hit the end, only to have Turbine realize that there was a mistake with the top tiers not giving any reward at all, it could be a real mess. Rectifying mistakes like that can be a lot more work to fix after the fact than by making sure that it works properly initially.

Ertay

08-21-2012, 07:25 PM

Thanks for bringing that up.

If they ever actually fix this, I fully expect it to not be retroactive of course...

RedHost

08-21-2012, 10:06 PM

It would be nice to know if we should be holding off on finishing off these tiers with blank rewards. Just saying "We changed our mind about it, there are no top level rewards." or saying "Oopsies, we'll fix that.... soon(tm)." would be helpful

Nagantor

08-22-2012, 07:55 AM

Well, there are three main options:

1. Descriptions are messed up again and whatever reward was intended will be given.
2. They really forgot to add rewards to some of those deeds.
3. Very shortly after an official statement about 595 TP cost, 500 TP to be earned back they changed mind.

I consider them getting less likely and in the last case, I know one customer to be alienated by this (legally fine) action for sure. Nothing to rage quit over but something to lastingly lower the opinion about the company.

Ertay

08-22-2012, 09:12 AM

I consider them getting less likely and in the last case, I know one customer to be alienated by this (legally fine) action for sure. Nothing to rage quit over but something to lastingly lower the opinion about the company.

I would think that they noticed that they won't get much money out of the monster manual in its last incarnation, (i.e. whoever was in charge decided that the rate of points spent/returned was not bleeding us out enough, considering how much work went into it). They then figured that since the cost was already more or less announced, changing the small rewards inside the pages would create less of a disturbance for the players because fewer would notice; which is also why we won't get an official statement on it, they hope the playerbase will forget about it like challenge rewards or the raid they announced for this update for example. They do not answer to stuff they know will be broken for a while/**** off players more.

Sadly, my opinion of the company as a whole did not even get lowered by such a move anymore.

Cyr

08-22-2012, 09:29 AM

Yeah, that was a very clear statement and was never corrected by Turbine so it stands.

The players should not be the ones forcing Turbine to clear this up.

AZgreentea

08-22-2012, 09:31 AM

And some of the deeds have no rewards. Now that looks like an oversight/bug.
Looking at it, I think the Prologue monsters give nothing but XP/lore/art as rewards for account/character. If you want the TP and the jewel of fortune, you have to own one of the manuals.

I wonder if the jewel of fortune is counted in the 500tp?

hit_fido

08-22-2012, 10:34 AM

Very interested to see some official word on this as well. I have the 1st volume as a premium but have not purchased the 2nd yet. 1st volume shows only 15 TP per monster possible, or a total of 150 TP. Even if you count (I do not) the store value of 10 medium jewels of fortune (200 TP) that's still only a total of 350 TP of "value".

However I'm also noticing that every account based deed offers some reward except the final deed. You're getting either more lore, more stats, 15 TP, or the jewel at each deed, except the final deed that shows nothing. So maybe the missing 35 TP would be awarded then, but is not being displayed?

Daemoneyes

08-22-2012, 10:49 AM

Considering all the TP rewards are in the Account deeds, how many lives you run wouldn't really matter.

oh thought u could get the rewards each life

well anyways it would be nice to know if 15tp is WAI

Vengeance777

08-22-2012, 11:00 AM

Some clarification would be nice. I bought the Manual based on Madfloyd's word that we would be able to earn 500 of the 595 tp cost back.

Thalmor

08-22-2012, 11:08 AM

I have been reviewing the Monster Manual on several servers and I have noticed, that the Account deeds seems to be totaling on a per server basis, as opposed to an actuall account total. ( My accounts totals on 3 servers are different )

So in Theory, they are 8 servers, and 150 Turbine points available per server, so if you were able to compete the exterminator deed for the TP on each monster on each server, then that's a possible 1200 TP.

Vanshilar

08-22-2012, 11:10 AM

I *believe* (although I haven't tested) that you can get the 150 TP on each server. That is, the monster manual counts are server- and account-based, hence you can do it on each server. So with 8 servers, you can in theory get 1200 TP from each volume.

Systern

08-22-2012, 11:16 AM

Thalmor

08-22-2012, 11:26 AM

As much as you dislike quoting Lammania posts, I dislike quoting Shade ;)

But he pointed out that you get 15 tp early, and the other 35 after finishing the 12k slayers... So, yea.

"They're overpriced because they have a rebate!*

*That you'll get in 3 years."

If that is the case, then they need to check they way account deeds are totaling up, as they are only totaling on an server basis not an actual account total. So if that is the case and 500 ( 50 x 10) TP will be availabe then they way things are presently totaling up then that would mean you could have upto 4000 TP available to you if you complete the Account deeds on each server.

Me thinks some changes might be happening .... Soon.

countfitz

08-22-2012, 11:33 AM

So still no word from devs on if the MM is seriously broken or WAI... means that it is currently BOTH, with the way they've been fixing things.

MadFloyd

08-22-2012, 11:46 AM

Hey guys,

Just saw this thread. There definitely should be TWO deeds per monster in Volumes 1 & 2 that give TP. The first is indeed 15, the second is 35.

There shouldn't be any deeds that have zero rewards - at least not in Volumes 1 & 2.

I'm not in a position (at the moment) to easily verify how it is working on live, but I'll look into it and get back to you.

I would definitely NOT purposefully achieve any deeds that have zero rewards as I'm pretty sure a fix to the reward would not be retroactive.

Ertay

08-22-2012, 11:49 AM

If that is the case, then they need to check they way account deeds are totaling up, as they are only totaling on an server basis not an actual account total. So if that is the case and 500 ( 50 x 10) TP will be availabe then they way things are presently totaling up then that would mean you could have upto 4000 TP available to you if you complete the Account deeds on each server.

Me thinks some changes might be happening .... Soon.

We are talking about the 12k slayers here though. Just repeatedly doing favor runs on korthos should net you more tp/min I guess. As we know though, that is no reason it can't be nerfed of course, might as well.

Also, saying you will get 500tp back from it really is absurd when we talk about several thousand mobs slain. Yellow dopant all over, they always find new ways to bend a promise in their favor it seems, somehow that really disgusts me...

Thalmor

08-22-2012, 11:50 AM

Ertay

08-22-2012, 11:55 AM

I would definitely NOT purposefully achieve any deeds that have zero rewards as I'm pretty sure a fix to the reward would not be retroactive.

Of course.

Frotz

08-22-2012, 12:04 PM

Mad, I can confirnm that that account totals are indeed totaling on a per server basis, not an acount basis. So not sure if that is WAI.
That's probably expected, as the world servers seemingly don't talk to each other at all.

Coldin

08-22-2012, 12:09 PM

MadFloyd

08-22-2012, 12:11 PM

That's probably expected, as the world servers seemingly don't talk to each other at all.

Yes, that is true.

MadFloyd

08-22-2012, 12:14 PM

Thalmor

08-22-2012, 12:19 PM

Yes, that is true.

So does that mean that you can earn the proposed 500 TP from the Monster manual per server?

Frotz

08-22-2012, 12:29 PM

So does that mean that you can earn the proposed 500 TP from the Monster manual per server?
At the low, low price of 70,000 kills per server! :)

Jayarih

08-22-2012, 01:06 PM

Kinda wished they had taken the opportunity to provide another way of grinding TP in DDO than just one time rewards but I guess its better than nothing

MadFloyd

08-22-2012, 01:07 PM

So does that mean that you can earn the proposed 500 TP from the Monster manual per server?

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

brian14

08-22-2012, 01:11 PM

OK, I just confirmed that the 2nd reward per monster page (the one that should award 35 TP) is not appearing (the deed shows no reward). This is a bug.
Just to make it clear -- it's a display bug, not a functionality bug?

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.
I suspect someone will do it just to demonstrate it can be done. Kind of like the guy who decided to take a guild made entirely of his own alts to level 100, and actually did it. Which is insane... but some people are insane. And I am pretty sure somebody leveled a character to 20 with no quests at all -- just wilderness.

stainer

08-22-2012, 01:14 PM

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

Shhhh...

Don't discourage people for personal challenges.

Jayarih

08-22-2012, 01:25 PM

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

For people that grind their tp like me it gets slowly eroded as you go through characters, so its not entirely unobtainable

Nagantor

08-22-2012, 01:55 PM

Most active players will get it without any strain. At least if you like to do TR, you'll always kill mobs of all kinds and ever so slowly build up the manual slayer as well. If you are like me and find it relaxing to do some slayer area sometimes, it'll be quicker for a few types.
Of course, those doing TP grinding by 100 favor will achieve it soon for the Korthos/Harbor races. ;-)

hit_fido

08-22-2012, 02:14 PM

Also, saying you will get 500tp back from it really is absurd when we talk about several thousand mobs slain. Yellow dopant all over, they always find new ways to bend a promise in their favor it seems, somehow that really disgusts me...

While the promise of greensteel deconstruction has become a real fiasco, this is not comparable.

MadFloyd originally stated 150 TP may be easy but the last 350 would take a while and once this bug is corrected, that seems to be right on target. Personally I'm fine with that, and I place zero value on the other extras like pets and jewels. Players who like that stuff will be getting an even better value from it.

The final tiers are going to vary in length too. 3,500 bats is going to come fairly quickly. I'm already over 500 of that without even trying (and at 500 got the 15 TP deed). Trolls at 7,000 may be a much farther off target. Spiders at 12,000... well there's quite a lot of those in the newer content, so who knows. Remember it totals party kills, not only your own.

Thalmor

08-22-2012, 02:28 PM

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

Personally no, my wife would probably dis-own me if I tried, but is should be pretty easy to pick up 100-150 extra TP from a couple of servers to basically make the monster manual pay for itself. (Getting 2000 Kobold kills per server shouldn't take to long.)

Ovrad

08-22-2012, 02:55 PM

I would definitely NOT purposefully achieve any deeds that have zero rewards as I'm pretty sure a fix to the reward would not be retroactive.

http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128777073eb970c-pi

RedHost

08-22-2012, 03:39 PM

OK, I just confirmed that the 2nd reward per monster page (the one that should award 35 TP) is not appearing (the deed shows no reward). This is a bug.

Thank you for clearing that up!

MadFloyd

08-22-2012, 05:29 PM

Just to make it clear -- it's a display bug, not a functionality bug?

No! It is a functionality bug and it needs to get fixed before the deed is earned (which for most people will be a while, but obviously not all of you so bear this in mind).

Ertay

08-22-2012, 05:42 PM

http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128777073eb970c-pi

Well done. +1

Drekisen

08-22-2012, 06:50 PM

Sorry if I missed if...are the deeds that are supposed to be giving the 350 TP's per server the final in the account slayer list...the last deed in the second list down.....because that is the only one I am seeing that does not have a reward listed.

Just wanna know so I can chill out on that monster type if I am even close to half way there...as you never know how long a bug fix may take to be "fixed".

Cardoor

08-22-2012, 06:59 PM

...
The players should not be the ones forcing Turbine to clear this up.

Inquisitor Gnomon should not be the one to clear this up either. He will abuse the power of his position. I have heard disturbing reports from House Phiarlin. I implore you, he cannot be trusted.

TrenchcoatJesus

08-22-2012, 07:10 PM

No! It is a functionality bug and it needs to get fixed before the deed is earned (which for most people will be a while, but obviously not all of you so bear this in mind).

I appreciate communication, especially when it's to broken things that affect and impact us directly, but...

Doesn't it speak to the quality of your QA department when there are multiple reasons immediately after an update for us NOT to play your game until you fix it later?

I mean, isn't that what beta testing is supposed to be for?

Or wait, that's us (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=388016) now, isn't it?

-TcJ

Edit: I feel compelled to mention that one or two slip-ups with an update is not something to complain on the forums about. This post was inspired by the feeling I get after *every* update recently. And that feeling definitely doesn't stop with me.

Systern

08-22-2012, 07:25 PM

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

Wait, What?

I can spend 595 TP and unlock a Monster Manual Volume for my Account, so it is available on every server; In this Monster Manual I earn Account Deeds that are per server, not Account wide?

For the record I like that the functionality is "better" than the description, but really people, some consistency with your own terminology, Please!

Jayarih

08-22-2012, 07:46 PM

Wait, What?

I can spend 595 TP and unlock a Monster Manual Volume for my Account, so it is available on every server; In this Monster Manual I earn Account Deeds that are per server, not Account wide?

For the record I like that the functionality is "better" than the description, but really people, some consistency with your own terminology, Please!

not sure how that is hard to understand. Account Deeds are just for that particular server I dont think theres any game out there that tracks stuff like that across servers unless they can link the info which I dont think DDO is set up for (since I know wow is going to do account level achievements that tracks all servers you have characters on).

Its no different than account bound stuff. While you can have your account on several servers that account bound item can only travel between characters on that server.

Systern

08-22-2012, 08:16 PM

Okay, I see the Bound to Character / Bound to Account parallel now.

I was thinking more along the lines of 400 favor unlocks drow for the server, while XXX TP unlocks it for the account. I just added 6300 points to my account, which is not 6300 points on each server, etc...

I guess I'm used to thinking that if TP is involved, "Account" means, well, the account.

(I know it's too late to change it now, but "Bound to Account" items that are really "Bound to World" could be called such... Collector's Edition get one greater tome per world, Cosmetic Pets are bound to world - unlike other non-BtC Consumables.... etc)

Fomori

08-22-2012, 08:31 PM

http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128777073eb970c-pi
Later. Let's play Global Thermonuclear War.

*out of time sequence but still applicable*

Dragavon

08-23-2012, 03:18 AM

Yes it does - but I have to ask, would you really want to chase that? It's not trivial.

Some people are that insane :D

Thalmor

08-23-2012, 09:31 AM

No! It is a functionality bug and it needs to get fixed before the deed is earned (which for most people will be a while, but obviously not all of you so bear this in mind).

Any idea's when this planned to be fixed?

MadFloyd

08-23-2012, 10:54 AM

Any idea's when this planned to be fixed?

The next patch.

ahpook

08-23-2012, 11:44 AM

Personally no, my wife would probably dis-own me if I tried, but is should be pretty easy to pick up 100-150 extra TP from a couple of servers to basically make the monster manual pay for itself. (Getting 2000 Kobold kills per server shouldn't take to long.)

It might not take long but for most of us it would be too long to justify the extra dollar. I would rather spend that time advancing my real characters rather than making what must be about 15 cents per hour.

sephiroth1084

08-23-2012, 12:12 PM

It might not take long but for most of us it would be too long to justify the extra dollar. I would rather spend that time advancing my real characters rather than making what must be about 15 cents per hour.Well, if you're F2P, and were inclined to do favor grinding already by completing quests quickly on each server, this makes doing so quite a bit more efficient I'd imagine.

Siftrant

08-23-2012, 12:17 PM

I would definitely NOT purposefully achieve any deeds that have zero rewards as I'm pretty sure a fix to the reward would not be retroactive.

How does one purposefully avoid achieving deeds that have zero rewards? Can we turn off the MM? don't play because if you play well "lol, jokes on us"?

rakhtal

08-23-2012, 01:09 PM

How does one purposefully avoid achieving deeds that have zero rewards? Can we turn off the MM? don't play because if you play well "lol, jokes on us"?

My guess is that if you just play normally, you probably won't kill 7000 troglodytes before next patch (or 12k kobolds, or any other monster), but if you notice you have 6950 kills already just don't run quests with trogs.

Missing_Minds

08-23-2012, 01:38 PM

The next patch.

Just to be clear, patch or update?

Mathermune

08-23-2012, 02:28 PM

http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128777073eb970c-pi

Hey my bishop is bugged! It only moves left!

Curse you Kasparov!

brian14

08-27-2012, 11:38 AM

The final tiers are going to vary in length too. 3,500 bats is going to come fairly quickly. I'm already over 500 of that without even trying (and at 500 got the 15 TP deed). Trolls at 7,000 may be a much farther off target. Spiders at 12,000... well there's quite a lot of those in the newer content, so who knows. Remember it totals party kills, not only your own.
I am curious to see what will be the final tier for the eladrin, when that chapter comes out... :)

skorpeon

01-03-2018, 05:48 AM

The next patch.

I am low on points and thought since I have done the server runs (bar wayfinder), then I thought MM2 gets points. Does this work farming Monster manual 2 kills? Does this work

Probably too much work for me but has anyone done this?

I wanted to buy more inventory slots without opening my wallet again (Did that for ravenloft).

C-Dog

01-03-2018, 11:32 AM

Necro Alert
Yeah, but it's def OT, so... sure.

I am low on points and thought since I have done the server runs (bar wayfinder), then I thought MM2 gets points. Does this work farming Monster manual 2 kills? Does this work

Probably too much work for me but has anyone done this?

I wanted to buy more inventory slots without opening my wallet again (Did that for ravenloft).
MM's changed a lot between the first rumours of them (around 2012, when this thread was started?) and their final form. You only get DP for completing a monster type (plus other bells and whistles, some during that process). And the amount varies - quite a nice lump *250) for the higher-level MM's.

o http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_Manuals

If you're close, yeah, it should work fine.

Otherwise, Favor Farming is your best bet.