Constant Price Commentaries annoying

[Testevax]

Anyone else get annoyed at price commentaries when trying to buy or sell? Sometimes insulting tells basically explaining that you are price-gouging or are a fool for not asking enough. And are these tells for you, like my wife, always wrong?

My wife likes to buy and sell things. Her character Kavy Ot'Emptor (great name!) on Sarlona does more of that than adventure, which is kind of humorous. However, I do appreciate the extra platinum... good to be a trophy husband I guess. :)

Anyway, I just got fed up the other day when some moron sent her a mean tell and then, when she sent him some tells back explaining how she had sold three of the same items for the same price on the Auction House recently, and was only trying to make some quick cash with the Trade channel as she was short to buy some Greater Essences (yes, she crafts, too) at a low price on the Auction House, this idiot then accused her of sending spam tells and squelched her! I just sat shaking my head going, "If you don't want replies then don't send unsolicited tells with useless price commentary!" It really upset her, regardless.

Here is her bio, in fact, which explains a lot about economics:

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"Buy high and sell higher!"
---anonymous Drow mercantile queen

I am not an adventurer, though my best friends are.

I love shopping!

I am skilled in the Mercantile Arts and can sing too, ya know!

My greatest battles are at the Auction House.

The only thing consistent about pricing in Stormreach is that no matter what price you set someone will gripe about price-gouging while, simultaneously, someone else will berate you as a fool for not asking enough.

Auction House pricing is all relative to what your time is worth. When you can make more money than you would save in the time it takes you to "bargain-hunt" on the Trade channel, then the prices make sense.

In a free market economy, prices are driven by the demand and the supply for a particular product or service. A large demand for a product or service that has a limited supply translates to higher prices.

Let the buyer beware...
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We're both pretty easy-going, but this was like the straw that broke the camel's back. The AH fee is well worth it to not have to deal with idiots like this player.

And if you're wondering, the object was a Dextrous +6 Ring of Silence +10 for 75k pp...hope I linked it right, here is a screenshot of the SIXTH ONE she has sold on the AH at that price. For some reason, Dex rings are a hot item right now on our server (probably because of the AC revamp) and she hunts for them at the Pawn Brokers.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/screenshot00043lm.jpg

And to anyone who feels the urge to send unsolicited tells with price commentary...unless you are negotiating a lower price or are buying the item....DON'T DO IT!!!

P.S. Don't feel sorry for her, she sent the guy a nasty note with an alt.

[Purgatorii]

Anyone else get annoyed at price commentaries when trying to buy or sell? Sometimes insulting tells basically explaining that you are price-gouging or are a fool for not asking enough. And are these tells for you, like my wife, always wrong?

My wife likes to buy and sell things. Her character Kavy Ot'Emptor (great name!) on Sarlona does more of that than adventure, which is kind of humorous. However, I do appreciate the extra platinum... good to be a trophy husband I guess. :)

Anyway, I just got fed up the other day when some moron sent her a mean tell and then, when she sent him some tells back explaining how she had sold three of the same items for the same price on the Auction House recently, and was only trying to make some quick cash with the Trade channel as she was short to buy some Greater Essences (yes, she crafts, too) at a low price on the Auction House. This idiot then accused her of sending spam tells and squelched her! I just sat shaking my head going, "If you don't want replies then don't send unsolicited tells with useless price commentary!" It really upset her, regardless.

Here is her bio, in fact, which explains a lot about economics:

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"Buy high and sell higher!"
---anonymous Drow mercantile queen

I am not an adventurer, though my best friends are.

I love shopping!

I am skilled in the Mercantile Arts and can sing too, ya know!

My greatest battles are at the Auction House.

The only thing consistent about pricing in Stormreach is that no matter what price you set someone will gripe about price-gouging while, simultaneously, someone else will berate you as a fool for not asking enough.

Auction House pricing is all relative to what your time is worth. When you can make more money than you would save in the time it takes you to "bargain-hunt" on the Trade channel, then the prices make sense.

In a free market economy, prices are driven by the demand and the supply for a particular product or service. A large demand for a product or service that has a limited supply translates to higher prices.

Let the buyer beware...
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We're both pretty easy-going, but this was like the straw that broke the camel's back. The AH fee is well worth it to not have to deal with idiots like this player, named Thepunishbot.

And if you're wondering, the object was a Dextrous +6 Ring of Silence +10 for 75k pp...hope I linked it right, here is a screenshot of the SIXTH ONE she has sold on the AH at that price. For some reason, Dex rings are a hot item right now on our server (probably because of the AC revamp) and she hunts for them at the Pawn Brokers.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/screenshot00043lm.jpg

And to anyone who feels the urge to send unsolicited tells with price commentary...unless you are negotiating a lower price or are buying the item....DON'T DO IT!!!

75,000pp is a ****load too much for that item. I would NEVER have been mean to her about it, EVERYONE has the right to try to sell something for as much or as little as they want. However, right now on Argo's auction house I see the following:

Dexterity +6 Ring of Balance +15 - 20,000pp
Dexterity +6 Ring of Escape +10 - 6,000pp
Dexterity +6 Ring of Repair +10 - 4,900pp
Dexterity +6 Ring of Sustenance + 10 - 11,000pp

If she's selling them for 75k on the AH it's to desperate idiots who buy it from her when there are no other ones available and they have to have it ***RIGHT NOW!!!!*** or people like me who stay at the plat cap all the time anyway and just don't give a **** what it costs.

That being said, I would STILL defend to the death her right to advertise to sell whatever item she wanted at whatever price she wants, and would tell anyone that says she doesn't have that right that they're flat-out wrong and need to reevaluate their methods of thinking. The other person here was 100% wrong and she was 100% right. Even if the price is high, it's the price she wanted. She doesn't have to lower it, if you don't want to buy that ring from her then just go buy one of the ones off the AH and leave her the hell alone. :P

EDIT: I am not experienced with the economies of other servers, not even a little bit. I realized that for all I know, on your server prices of things might be much higher than Argo. Economies will vary server to server.

[pseudomasochist]

OMG 175 hp at level 16? Does she even have heavy fortification?

Seriously though, I prefer the auction house to trade channels because of certain personalities. It's too bad your wife had to encounter one such winner but naming names is against forum rules so you may want to edit that out.

[Testevax]

@Purgatorii...

Aye she says she tries to make money selling things to people who have lots of money, like you. Kind of makes sense, actually. ;)

@pseudomasochist...
Yeah, 175 HP LMAO...I said nearly all she does is buy and sell, believe me now? Only reason she is even 16 is an experience stone. And edited name, thanks!

[Uska]

Seems expensive but if she can find a buyer good for her but is she is selling in open trade channel I might make a comment if I think the price is to high but I wouldn't be mean about and if I was interested and thought it was to high I would make a counter offer. Now if she was spamming her offer in the trade channel then I might get testy.

And sending a nasty note even with an alt isnt a good idea unless you want a account banned.

[Purgatorii]

@Purgatorii...

Aye she says she makes money selling things to people who have lots of money, like you. Kind of makes sense, actually. ;)



And there's certainly nothing wrong with it :D She probably would find a better use for the plat than I can seem to!

[Todesnymphe]

It's a ridiculously high price, but it is totally her right to advertise the item for that price as long as she wants.
There's no reason for anyone to be mad about it.

It's pointless in general, too. If a price is too high, sellers will eventually lower the price or give up trying to sell. So why insult anyone?

So, good luck selling and don't get dissuaded by insulting morons.

(I am, however, amazed that players actually buy at that price... maybe I should put more stuff into the AH or the trade channel; so far I sell everything to vendors, because it's just filling inventory slots - if I dont give it away to friends or dont even take it out the chest.)

[Avenging_Angel]

Cool story, bro.

[FranOhmsford]

I don't like seeing newbies getting scammed.

And as others have said 75k is way overpriced for that item in Trade Channel - Put whatever prices you like in the AH but play fair in Trade Channel.

When in Korthos or the Harbour and someone starts offering to buy or sell at ridiculous prices I WILL say something {In Trade or Advice - Not Tells} so the Newbies get the idea.

I once saw someone telling people to look for and offering to buy Pale Lavs in Korthos and showing no price - That's simply unacceptable.

BTW I wouldn't have bothered saying anything about that ring and it's price - It's a high level item that wouldn't hit my newbie scam alarm.

[Narmolanya]

I was in a not to be named coffee house today and I noticed they had K-cups of coffee on display 12 K-cups for $12.99. I would never buy it at that price since I can buy it at a wherehouse store at $45.00 for 70 K-cups.

I felt no need to make comment to the proprietor of the coffee house but I guess someone with no life may find it enjoyable to sit there and argue about how they could get it cheaper.

I find the idiocy of argueing about a price that someone has set in a free market even more rediculous when talking about a virtual currancy with no real world value.

[Meleena]

Also in a free market economy you should expect price critics.If the are abusive or you dont like them you can just squeltch them.

[LightBear]

With the risk of being marked as a troll or flamebate I do have to get something out there:
First, your wife or GF or maybe both of them sells the item waaaaay to high.
Second, hustling and scamming is part of the trade as well. There will always be people trying to sell things to high and others that try to buy em to low. And by the looks of it your better part seems do do her share of hustling and scamming as well.

[sandypaws]

OMG 175 hp at level 16? Does she even have heavy fortification?

Seriously though, I prefer the auction house to trade channels because of certain personalities. It's too bad your wife had to encounter one such winner but naming names is against forum rules so you may want to edit that out.

Not like the AH is going to crit her.

Probably not sneak attack her either. Probably.

[Matuse]

If you don't want the public commenting on what you say, don't say it in public.

It's the trade channel, not the advertisement channel.

[Auralana7214]

I don't know why some people are rude. It doesn't mean that you should come on the forums and name them and their bad behavior. If someone is being particularly mean, report them. And for future reference, don't respond to them! Then you're just asking for it.

[Purgatory]

It doesnt matter what price you sell things at.

I routinely go on a selling spree selling hard to find rare items aswell as well as high demand items well below market value that I have collected and have a huge surplus of.

I have never offered or sold anything that would not be highly useful and benifit the buyer

And people still cry moan call me a price gouger that is takeing advantage of new players...

Even tho know one sells for less then I do and I garantee it. By 1. Doing the research and 2. buying anything that offered for less by some troll in the trade channel (99% the time they refuse to sell what they clame they are selling it for)


These people are idiots. Nothing you can do about it. They dont know they are idiots well because they are idiots.

Do your best to ignore them (you cant cure stupid so dont bother trying and move on). Your buyers know better and are well aware of the price they are paying and what they are getting for that price. Don't let some idiot rune your enjoyment of the game. Keep playing your way and enjoy yourself.

For Example: yesterday I was offering in trade channel 100 major pots for 750k plat (that 7.5k a major) at the same time I had 100 on the AH for buy out of 1 mil plat. (that 10k a major) Still both way below market value of around 15k each or 1.5 mil yet. I contantly got hurrased by players about price gouging on the 750k for the 100 stack in the trade channel even tho they where 1/2 the price of normal market value and no one bought it. At the same time the stack of 100 for 1 mil plat sold during that time..... Go figure!

[ckorik]

Have no issues with you ripping people off at those prices. If you don't like someone sending you tells - squelch them - it's just one less potential customer.

Don't get all offended if they squelch you though - they already let you know they thought you were a ripoff artist when they sent the tell.

If you think that's unusually then try to run a real business - people complain about prices all the time - right to the owners face.

They will also state that others stores have items on sale - and what price they think the items should be sold at - and try to bargin for better prices - and complain *loudly* on the way out the store about what a ripoff it is.

Welcome to free market :)

At least in game there aren't 'use and fitness' laws that require you to take back the item you sold (perfect - with no scratches) with over 50% red bar because of use.

That would be more like real life.

[Ryiah]

It's the trade channel, not the advertisement channel.

So what do you think the trade channel is? The whole purpose is to advertise. Or did you think people were supposed to send random tells to everyone in a specific area telling them about their wonderful deals on Masterwork Shuriken?

[Rip-V-Winkle]

OP remember one thing.
75k on the AH is 50k in pocket.
Trade chat should be 50k not 75k.
As for the one that was rude well some are like that.
Is easy to hit the report harassment and move on.
At any rate good luck.

[danotmano1998]

Her character Kavy Ot'Emptor (great name!) .

Indeed it is. Well played!



P.S. Don't feel sorry for her, she sent the guy a nasty note with an alt.

Ouch. Maybe not the best idea, but I understand the anger.
Whenever a situation like this pops up, I personally find it easier to just ignore said person rather than retaliate or give them any more reason to interact with me.

Everyone has their opinion, and it doesn't matter what prices anyone sells for.
Just don't expect that people won't comment. They will. Some good, some bad. It's just the way it is. It's an open channel and everyone has an opinion.

If you or she feels harassed, it's best to just let a GM deal with it IMO.
Happy adventuring!

[Adken]

P.S. Don't feel sorry for her, she sent the guy a nasty note with an alt.

Did you try sending that guy a lump of coal? I'd run a relic of a sovereign past just to be able to get one :P

[Spoonwelder]

So what do you think the trade channel is? The whole purpose is to advertise. Or did you think people were supposed to send random tells to everyone in a specific area telling them about their wonderful deals on Masterwork Shuriken?

Advertising is a one way communication channel - think TV commercials, newspaper ads.....you can scream at the TV about how bad the product/price is but it won't hear you. Trade Channel is an open communication forum - 100% public - more like a flea market - people can comment on prices, product crappiness etc...accept that or don't use the trade channel.

Speaking of idiots......I knew a guy once who didn't understand stuff but loudly proclaimed his superior understanding to everyone around him people called him an idiot - he was really just ignorant.

[SardaofChaos]

I don't like seeing newbies getting scammed.

And as others have said 75k is way overpriced for that item in Trade Channel - Put whatever prices you like in the AH but play fair in Trade Channel.

When in Korthos or the Harbour and someone starts offering to buy or sell at ridiculous prices I WILL say something {In Trade or Advice - Not Tells} so the Newbies get the idea.

I once saw someone telling people to look for and offering to buy Pale Lavs in Korthos and showing no price - That's simply unacceptable.

BTW I wouldn't have bothered saying anything about that ring and it's price - It's a high level item that wouldn't hit my newbie scam alarm.

This is a good point that a lot of people are missing. I don't know if any of you remember the bloodstone fiasco?

[Matuse]

So what do you think the trade channel is? The whole purpose is to advertise.

No, that is not the whole purpose. That is one purpose. It is a public communication channel, and communication means two way conversation, not being entitled to fire off your WTB/WTS with impunity.

Just as much as person X has the right to advertise, person Y has the right to comment on it.

Don't like it? Don't use the channel.

[Galeria]

And are these tells for you, like my wife, always wrong?


Just FYI, I read this about 5 times trying to figure out how you are not insulting your wife, because the rest of the post is fairly supportive. But it reads "My wife is always wrong."

I think what you meant to say is:

And are these tells for you, as they are for my wife, always wrong?

I really didn't want to think you were that jerky, so I think option 2 is where you were trying to go.

[Purgatorii]

Just FYI, I read this about 5 times trying to figure out how you are not insulting your wife, because the rest of the post is fairly supportive. But it reads "My wife is always wrong."

I think what you meant to say is:

And are these tells for you, as they are for my wife, always wrong?

I really didn't want to think you were that jerky, so I think option 2 is where you were trying to go.

Grammar nazi. :P No one cares but you and other grammar nazis. I knew what he meant.

[Galeria]

Well, if your wife reads the forum, let's hope she doesn't know grammar neither.

Honestly, I read your post in a totally different light once the entire post indicated that indeed, you were not calling her stupid. The first time through, I thought "serious jerkhead."

But you know, words are hard sometimes...

[donran97]

lavaks, did i ever say i have something against trade channel? NO!
so I don't see why you keep blabbing your fingers on that keyboard and trying to pick fights with people u've only known for what? 5minutes? plus u just said yourself "everyone can comment on them", u basically just murdered your argument with a crude dagger.

[Dolphious]

On the one hand everyone should feel free to advertise to buy/sell at whatever price they want.

OTOH, people are also free to comment on that advertisement.

Personally I give props to anyone who puts their price in the advert, the whole "offer plz" nonsense has pretty much made me ignore trade adverts form people I don't know (at least a little) with no price. Just ends up being a waste of time 95% of the time.