Basic Rogue

[knightmarh]

Returning player looking for a solid build to play with.
Ok, ignore lawful good, and the stats will be basic UMD and the lark.


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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 19
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 16 22
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 18 27
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

[unbongwah]

As a pure rogue, you're going to want the Improved Sneak Atk epic feat, which requires base DEX 21; presuming you put your pts into INT, your build only has base DEX 18 (16 + 2 tome). One option would be base DEX 18 + 3 tome if you can get one.

Pre-U14, I would've said Power Atk was a must-have, which would mean base STR 13 (e.g., base 11 + 2 tome); but Precision has lost its dmg penalty while still providing +5% to-hit and -25% fortification, so it's now a viable alternative to PA. [You can't have both active simultaneously, just like you can't have PA + CE both on.] So I would add Precision in addition to (or maybe instead of) Finesse.

You took IC:Slash but no khopesh feat, so I'm inferring you plan to use (epic) Midnight Greetings (unless there's some awesome sickle I don't know about ;)); but why take OTWF? Kukris are light weapons; there's no offhand penalty. Or do you plan to use a rapier in your offhand?

Enhs look okay, though I'd probably drop Skill Boost and some DEX to add W&S Mastery.

[goodspeed]

I don't think i'd go for 18 int. 6 whole points for 2 points just never agrees with me.

I mean you could drop it to 16 lose 1 mod point and take and make str 14, Or you could add 2 more to con, hell even take the halflings main racial stat and go for 18 dex. As your going to need a BASE of 21.

U'd just end up spending level ups in it anyway so why not take those 6 points, spend them more usefully, then use the level ups for int or whatnot. Get a base of 18 dex to start and then all you need is a +3 tome (they sell for around 400 to 600k plat) and ur golden.

[Tid12]

I would drop Oversized TWF and get Precision. +5% to hit and 25% fort bypass is pretty awesome.

Also I think you are missing a Rogue class feat at level 10. Drop Crippling strike and take 2x Skill mastery for +2 to all skills.

For lv21 epic feat, get Improved Sneak Attack for 3d6 SA damage. The lv24 feat is kinda hard to suggest..you want to use khopesh? If so, Khopesh proficiency. Tell us what you plan to do with that build.

[karl_k0ch]

This is what I am doing with my main character, who is a 34pt Halfling with a rogue Past Life:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=387356

To tailor it to a 32pt build, drop Con to 14. Obviously, you will not be able to take the PL:SoS feat, so there is an option to take Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh at 3, and IC: Slashing at 12.

Personally, I would not go Finesse, but Strength, even if you started with a rather low Str. If you plan to use EMG exclusively (which I don't find to be a great option, in particular for breaking raid boss DR), then you won't even need the finesse feat.

[Aerendil]

As others have said:

- lower starting Int to 16. 6 build points for 2 stat points hurts. But I'm guessing this means you're really aiming to be the "Master Assassin" build. If so, search in this forum for "Master Assassin" - there's a build on page 1 or 2 I think that's very int-focused for the best possible Assassinate DC's.
I'd be more inclined to go 16 starting Dex, Con, and Int though.

- feats look good, but as others mentioned Precision is now very much worth it. Also, a Rogue lacks basic proficiency with any good slashing weapons such as khopesh, or even scimitar. Keep that in mind, as you may need to focus on piercing, or spend a feat in a good slashing weapon.
That said, piercing seems to be the best choice these days as Shadowdancer offers a free +3% doublestrike with light weapons, and the epic Smallblade is a really easy +6% doublestrike weapon to combine with a solid rapier. Throw in Opportunist, and a twist from an epic destiny (Grandmaster of Flowers), and you can be sitting at a permanent 15% doublestrike. Not bad. (20% if with a warchanter).

- once at level 20+, you'll want to keep in mind some good epic feats to pick up. Improved Sneak Attack requires a base 21 dex; Epic Toughness requires a base 21 con. You may need to put some level up points in those if they appeal to you, as it's hard to hit a base 21 without doing so (especially if you don't have access to +4 tomes). If those don't appeal to you, then that's an extra 2 feats to do with whatever you like.

- Dodge. As you mentioned you're a returning player, keep in mind combat has changed. Rogue's forte is now dodge %, and feats such as Dodge, Mobility, etc. all add to dodge % (capping at 25% maximum). You may or may not want to focus on gear and feats that boost this. Something to keep in mind.
eg. Dodge feat (3% dodge) + epic Duelist leathers (which grants Mobility (2%) and +4% dodge) is a quick and easy 9% dodge. Throw in the base 6% from a 20 Rogue, and epic Wind bracers from Cannith challenges, and you're sitting at 18% out of a max 25% already.

- the rogue special feats are a matter of personal preference. I'm with you, though, on Opportunist, Improved Evasion, and Crippling Strike. Even Slippery Mind is very useful - I find a ton of content is casting Fear these days. A feared Rogue is a useless Rogue.