Star of Day

[arkonas]

am i the only one who thinks this is kinda bs that it's a short sword? so most clerics who use it if they do -4 attack penalty. wow that is just ****. why offer a sword from a cleric trader if the only people who can use it with no issue and not burning a feat or multiclass is a drow cleric. fvs cant even use it unless their drow. its a lose lose there. I just dont understand the thinking behind that...


So what im asking is could you just change the type so clerics can actually use a weapon that they get from a CLERIC trader lol. you shouldnt have to burn any feats or be a drow or multiclass to get it. it should be a regular weapon like a mace or something like that.

edit ok i found this
An ancient Netherese deity of order and the sun, Amaunator was also revered as the patron of law and time. The justice he dealt was always harsh but eminently fair. He was revered by many rulers, soldiers, and powerful wizards.

His symbol is a sun with a face on the solar disk. According the Third Edition rules for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game, the official cleric domains of Amaunator are Law, Nobility, Planning, Sun, and Time. His favored weapon is the Scepter of the Eternal Sun and his clergy typically use maces as representations of their deity's weapon.
Appearance

Amaunator appeared as a lanky man with silver-white hair, a short, week-long growth of white beard, and skin that glowed with a quiet golden radiance. He carried the Scepter of the Eternal Sun in one hand and a large legal tome in the other, and wore the clothes of a magistrate: a long, black or purple gown trimmed with silver or gold. To be in his presence was to feel the awesome power of true law.

so since even the god himself favoured maces maybe in the future they can add weapons/items that the lore is based on to all traders not just cleric.

[Hokiewa]

Just because it comes from clerics doesn't mean it's a cleric weapon. It's clearly designed for ninja spys or maybe rogue

[masterzzan]

didn't you get the memo?

(from turbine thinktank secret plott-... planing)

" this update has been marked as : 'how can we make them stop playing as healers'.

it has 2 main reasons.

1: they might consider getting a druid.
2: if no one heal the quests get tougher and we can claim that we increased the difficulty level of the quests without doing anything to them at all. "

for more on this subject check out : new spell power change, new healing amp' "bug", and new meta-magic twitch considering some healing spells.

[sandypaws]

Battle clerics, maybe? They tend to splash fighter.
Or I suppose you could pretty easily UMD a master's touch on that.
But yeah. It definitely does more good on a rogue.

[akash]

Just UMD Master's Touch (requires only 19 UMD no fail) and you will be able to use that sword. Moreover different cleric faith enhancements give different weapon mastery if you cast it on yourself. Say for example:

Champion of the Lord of Blades -> Greatswords
Tira's Champion -> Longbows
Dol Dorn's Champion -> Longswords
Champion of the Deathless -> Scimitars
Champion of Vulkoor -> Shortswords

[FuzzyDuck81]

It gives people who pick up cleric commendations on non-divines something to actually use them on? The shield of faith potions are pretty rubbish after all & most of the other gear isnt as useful as some of the other items, such as the sun soul bracers (+4 insight to saves & +2 insight to con is never a bad thing) & the PDK gloves (+30% healing amp? thats the devs cackling madly at the thought of all those people who have ground out for claw gloves with no luck) that can be good on characters who arent ostensibly the character types the sets are geared towards.

[9Crows]

yes you would think human cleric traders would give you cleric type weapons ...and if the clerics were behind the trades ime sure they would ,,, but turbine devs are behind it so no..some clerics ime sure gave feed back saying that shortswords and clerics dont really synch that well.. they are now drow slaves in the undiedark

[Cinos]

yes you would think human cleric traders would give you cleric type weapons ...and if the clerics were behind the trades ime sure they would ,,, but turbine devs are behind it so no..some clerics ime sure gave feed back saying that shortswords and clerics dont really synch that well.. they are now drow slaves in the undiedark

To be fair, in every other MMORPG every faction has a variety of rewards, so it's not a waste for any most characters to grind reputation with them.

It's pretty fine, in my opinion.

[ddonoobgamer]

Ok I realize I made too many mistakes in this post, so I'm nuking what I wrote.

[9Crows]

To be fair, in every other MMORPG every faction has a variety of rewards, so it's not a waste for any most characters to grind reputation with them.

It's pretty fine, in my opinion.

there isnt a variety of weapon awards from cleric traders..there is a shortsword... if they had placed a rouge faction in faerun ..would you expect to see a mace as the weapon reward option?

[FuzzyDuck81]

But what gets me is that they made it a shortsword. That's just nuts. The dev probably plays a rogue lol. The base damage is actually pretty OP for a shortsword (2[1d10]). I can't help but think it's a bug and that it should have been a longsword.

it's a boosted version of http://ddowiki.com/page/Sun_Blade which has been one of the pretty iconic, D&D staple items for many years.

The raid loot item http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Celestia,_Brightest_Star_of_Day is the ultimate version.

And yes, i want that one too :)

[Rodomonte]

It wouldn't be so bad if it was actually a longsword. Clerics can get the Follower of the Silver Flame enhancement for just 2 AP and get longsword proficiency plus a to-hit bonus to boot.

Sovereign Host. Followers of the Silver Flame get longbow proficiency.

[ddonoobgamer]

it's a boosted version of http://ddowiki.com/page/Sun_Blade which has been one of the pretty iconic, D&D staple items for many years.

The raid loot item http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Celestia,_Brightest_Star_of_Day is the ultimate version.

And yes, i want that one too :)

The only similiarity I see between Sun Blade and the cleric one is the 1d10 part, so I don't really see it as a boosted version. But that's neither here nor there. Making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in or a quarterstaff as the purple dragon knight turn-in.

[ddonoobgamer]

Sovereign Host. Followers of the Silver Flame get longbow proficiency.

Yes you're right, I got the names mixed up. :)

[Siro]

Lore-wise, try to remember that the item comes from Faerun. Try to also remember that clerics are supposed to get domains. The war domain grants proficiency and weapon focus with the deity's weapon. And Amaunator's favored weapon is the mace... nevermind, the weapon makes no sense.

[arkonas]

i think some of you failed to see my point or post i said without multiclassing or picking a feat. you look at the other traders villager wizard druid or pdk. all their weapons can be used by their class with no issue or doing anything crazy. clerics or fvs cant do that unless their drow or do other stuff to acquire.

Yes its a cleric trader so the weapons should be able to be used by a cleric/fvs hence its their trader lol.

[Auralana7214]

Lore-wise, try to remember that the item comes from Faerun. Try to also remember that clerics are supposed to get domains. The war domain grants proficiency and weapon focus with the deity's weapon. And Amaunator's favored weapon is the mace... nevermind, the weapon makes no sense.

LOL. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

[Ranncore]

And why is the cleric armor a breastplate? (I'll answer that for you - it's for FvS, not cleric)

And why isn't there a single named piece of gear from MoTU that has devotion?

And not a single named or epic item in the entire game with devotion higher than 90?

Clerics got BONED for loot. And to reach pre-MoTU power in healing, we have to go to ridiculous lengths slotting/hotswapping gear.

So let me adjust what I said there - Clerics got BONED with this update.

[Ranncore]

Don't even get me started on how terrible the Exaulted Angel destiny is for clerics.

[QNecron]

Drow Clerics - duh! :)

/thread


(Racial Prof with Rapiers and Short Swords)

[Fefnir_2011]

It's simple really. The welfare of divines doesn't cross the dev's minds unless it's a part of the sentence "how can we make this raid so mana intensive that it puts divines on welfare in and out of game?"

[arkonas]

And why is the cleric armor a breastplate? (I'll answer that for you - it's for FvS, not cleric)

And why isn't there a single named piece of gear from MoTU that has devotion?

And not a single named or epic item in the entire game with devotion higher than 90?

Clerics got BONED for loot. And to reach pre-MoTU power in healing, we have to go to ridiculous lengths slotting/hotswapping gear.

So let me adjust what I said there - Clerics got BONED with this update.

haha i didnt even think about that. set has healing lore but not devotion go figure

[Rian]

And why is the cleric armor a breastplate? (I'll answer that for you - it's for FvS, not cleric)

And why isn't there a single named piece of gear from MoTU that has devotion?

And not a single named or epic item in the entire game with devotion higher than 90?

Clerics got BONED for loot. And to reach pre-MoTU power in healing, we have to go to ridiculous lengths slotting/hotswapping gear.

So let me adjust what I said there - Clerics got BONED with this update.

You're better off than the druids. They don't even have a set bonus til they get the 375 PDK favor.

[sandypaws]

Don't even get me started on how terrible the Exaulted Angel destiny is for clerics.

You're kidding, right? Exalted Angel is amazing. It gives you wings, an awesome SLA, the most mana-efficient heal in the game (aside from scrolls), divine caster levels, a 30-sp AoE that, once primed, basically requires almost no upkeep if you're in a group (calling it down seems to trigger once for everything it hits which, in a full party, is generally 5-6 stacks minimum).

Now, it -is- a bit buggy, with the mana values wandering all over the place, but that'll be straightened out soon enough.

P.S. Holy symbol of lolth has 102 devotion AND 102 impulse on it. Yes, it ruins your fort save vs poison, but you can go immune to poison for a full minute. So.

[Siro]

P.S. Holy symbol of lolth has 102 devotion AND 102 impulse on it. Yes, it ruins your fort save vs poison, but you can go immune to poison for a full minute. So.

Even though it says Nullification and not Devotion on it?

[arkonas]

You're kidding, right? Exalted Angel is amazing. It gives you wings, an awesome SLA, the most mana-efficient heal in the game (aside from scrolls), divine caster levels, a 30-sp AoE that, once primed, basically requires almost no upkeep if you're in a group (calling it down seems to trigger once for everything it hits which, in a full party, is generally 5-6 stacks minimum).

Now, it -is- a bit buggy, with the mana values wandering all over the place, but that'll be straightened out soon enough.

P.S. Holy symbol of lolth has 102 devotion AND 102 impulse on it. Yes, it ruins your fort save vs poison, but you can go immune to poison for a full minute. So.

Holy Symbol of Lolth
Minimum level 21
No pic.jpg
Item Type Jewelry / Trinket
Slot Trinket
Binding Bound to Character on Equip
Durability 130
Material Steel
Hardness 17
Base Value 8,405pp
Weight 0.10 lbs
Location The House of Death Undone, Matron's Daughter chest
Enchantments

Spellcasting Implement +15
Nullification +102
Radiance +102
Impulse +102
Exceptional Charisma +1
Exceptional Wisdom +1
Embrace of the Spider Queen

sorry not sure where you see devotion on it anywhere.

[sandypaws]

Re: Devotion

You are absolutely correct. Got my devotion and radiances switched.

[MeliCat]

My guildie's cleric is wearing the PDK set... he was up to 100 AC when I last asked. So that's kinda fun... although not kinda casting (and not clonk friendly which is all I care about...)

Yah... the cleric turns ins are... not that exciting. But then all of the turn-ins are kind of mix and match. Almost everyone is running around with PDK gauntlets...level 25 randomly generated loot sticks have been spotted to get that devotion right up there.... but yah... not on a body slot :/ At least there are some nice random loot gen items too now. Kinda fun that the random stuff actually matters again. I got glaciation 96 on a ring (UMD 0 dwarf so borked but nvm) so I live in hope that somewhere out there maybe a devotion item (UMD 0 horc I'm sure :/ )

[FuzzyDuck81]

At least there are some nice random loot gen items too now. Kinda fun that the random stuff actually matters again. I got glaciation 96 on a ring (UMD 0 dwarf so borked but nvm) so I live in hope that somewhere out there maybe a devotion item (UMD 0 horc I'm sure :/ )

I found a devotion +96 ring of intimidation +10 the other day which i was quite chuffed with, unfotunately no spare ring slot on the character i want to use it on (got heavy fort there atm) till i finish making my min2 helm, but then i wont have radiance.. (currently using alchemists crown)... bah too many nice effects not enough item slots.. :P

[ninjadwarf_uk]

The clerics turn ins are from clerics, not specifically for clerics

Same as the druids set are from druids, but these are principally a rogue set

All the sets have some items that will be useful to many different classes not necessarily one of the same class as the name of the group handing them out.

[arkonas]

i understand that but im just saying if your going to base it off of a class like cleric. make it usable to them. it has nothing to do with it being better for a rogue or not. you can mix and match all you want until more are released. what im saying is. if its released from a cleric trader. i expect at least a cleric can use it lol without being drow or picking up the feat. make sense?

[dredre9987]

Don't even get me started on how terrible the Exaulted Angel destiny is for clerics.


What???? Ok the FvS destiny....ya know what nvm

[Raithe]

i understand that but im just saying if your going to base it off of a class like cleric. make it usable to them

Other people have pointed out that these items are intended to supply the entire spectrum of classes with gear for Epic levels. Being cleric-friendly is not the issue.

As for the reason it is a shortsword instead of something else, your guess is as good as anyone's. Piercing is actually the least useful undead-smiter, so it could be that they simply didn't want the weapon to eclipse other gear like triple-positive greensteel maces and axes.

[ddonoobgamer]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in or a quarterstaff as the purple dragon knight turn-in. I imagine arcanes would not be very happy if this were the case.

[Vormaerin]

What doesn't make any sense is acting like the fact that the priests of the sun god are distributing the items means they must be for clerics.

The trade in weapons are a longsword, a shortsword, and a quarterstaff, plus two caster staves. In other words, not one of the weapons is the sort preferred by any character class in the game.

The Star of Day is a "holy" weapon of the sun god (A superior sunblade). It makes sense that they would make this weapon available to those who have championed their cause (ie earned 15 commendations).

The fact that the weapon is not desired by the priests of foreign, otherworld gods is probably NOT making any of the priests of Amuanator cry.

[ddonoobgamer]

What doesn't make any sense is acting like the fact that the priests of the sun god are distributing the items means they must be for clerics.

Yeah those crazy clerics expecting a "Clerics of Amaunator" turn-in to give a cleric friendly weapon must be nuts. Of course a rogue friendly weapon makes more sense!

[Arlathen]

The trade in weapons are a longsword, a shortsword, and a quarterstaff, plus two caster staves. In other words, not one of the weapons is the sort preferred by any character class in the game.


My WSS Monk loves his Dual Oathblades, tyvm :)

[Vormaerin]

Yeah those crazy clerics expecting a "Clerics of Amaunator" turn-in to give a cleric friendly weapon must be nuts. Of course a rogue friendly weapon makes more sense!

Yes, they are nuts. Or do you think the "Villagers of Eveningstar" are only giving out gear suitable for villagers? There are five organizations. There are 13 character classes.

Holy moley... better go fix the Silver Flame patron. Nothing he sells is "cleric friendly" either. :rolleyes:




My WSS Monk loves his Dual Oathblades, tyvm :)

I said "class" not "build". The weapons are hardly worthless. But if it was a bastard sword, greatsword, or khopesh, it would have a lot more friends.

[oweieie]

What are you, level 2? Stop swinging a weapon on a caster, you look like a noob.

[ddonoobgamer]

Yes, they are nuts. Or do you think the "Villagers of Eveningstar" are only giving out gear suitable for villagers? There are five organizations. There are 13 character classes.

Holy moley... better go fix the Silver Flame patron. Nothing he sells is "cleric friendly" either. :rolleyes:


LOL, there's no class called villagers in DDO. There is a class called clerics. Imagine people expecting cleric friendly items for a cleric turn-in, what are they thinking?? :rolleyes:

Wonders why shortbow is not the weapon turn-in for War-wizard. That would make much more sense right? :)

[Vormaerin]

LOL, there's no class called villagers in DDO. There is a class called clerics. Imagine people expecting cleric friendly items for a cleric turn-in, what are they thinking?? :rolleyes:

Wonders why shortbow is not the weapon turn-in for War-wizard. That would make much more sense right? :)

So, basically, the problem is that they called them "clerics" of Amaunator instead of "priests" or "servants" or just "the temple of." And this is causing you some massive hang up because they are giving out an epic sunblade (being, you know, the sun god priests) instead of a mace that will probably never be used by anyone.

I don't know about you, but I've never seen anyone at endgame levels try to hit something with any of the weapons on the cleric list. Probably because they are all 20/x2 crit profile. Battle clerics and melee FVS get a real weapon proficiency from somewhere.

[ddonoobgamer]

So, basically, the problem is that they called them "clerics" of Amaunator instead of "priests" or "servants" or just "the temple of." And this is causing you some massive hang up because they are giving out an epic sunblade (being, you know, the sun god priests) instead of a mace that will probably never be used by anyone.

I don't know about you, but I've never seen anyone at endgame levels try to hit something with any of the weapons on the cleric list. Probably because they are all 20/x2 crit profile. Battle clerics and melee FVS get a real weapon proficiency from somewhere.

The only problem is in your head. I simply stated that making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in. You seem to have a problem with this. But yeah, I think its a reasonable expectation that a cleric turn-in would yield a cleric friendly item.

[Vormaerin]

The only problem is in your head. I simply stated that making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in. You seem to have a problem with this. But yeah, I think its a reasonable expectation that a cleric turn-in would yield a cleric friendly item.

It makes perfect sense for the clerics of Amaunator the sun god to give away an epic sunblade. There is no point in going back and forth on this, though. If you feel that a faction called "Clerics of Amaunator" can only give out cleric items, then I guess you'll be disappointed no matter what.

Btw, there are five "weapons" available from the turn ins. You want 60% of them to be caster items? The druids and war wizards drop caster staves already. Battle clerics don't use **** weapons like maces and non battle clerics use caster sticks.

Btw, in your scheme of things, who is supposed to give out the "rogue friendly" weapon? Or are rogues just supposed to be left out?

[ddonoobgamer]

It makes perfect sense for the clerics of Amaunator the sun god to give away an epic sunblade. There is no point in going back and forth on this, though. If you feel that a faction called "Clerics of Amaunator" can only give out cleric items, then I guess you'll be disappointed no matter what.


Think about it. Why would the armor contain Efficient Metamagic - Empower Healing II? Why would the ring contain Superior Healing Lore? Why would the set bonus be 10% sp reduction? Why would one not expect the weapon to be cleric friendly as well?

BTW, I'm not disappointed. My main is a multiclass cleric with fighter splash. I also have a cleric with a ranger splash. I can use the weapon with no penalties. But I think the OP has a point. Like I said, making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in.

[Funny_looking_mole]

Like I said, making a shortsword as the cleric turn-in makes about as much sense as making a shortbow as the war wizard turn-in.

Actually as long as it had good stats that would be preferable to a quarterstaff, at least I could clear out an inventory space from that +1 returning dart I keep around in case of ranged levers.

[Vormaerin]

Think about it. If there's suppose to be no correlation, why would the armor contain Efficient Metamagic - Empower Healing II?

Because its thematically related to the god Amaunator/Lathander (they are the same god)? Lathander was one of the gods recommended for good aligned rogues in the FR source material. He's big on renewal and blowing up the undead.

The Silver Flame turn ins in the Necropolis give Longbows. Very uncleric-y, I know. Shame on them.

The gear isn't restricted to clerics. The armor isn't actually very good for anyone, frankly. But the ring is great on my bard and paladin. The sword is nice for my bard and rogue.

A bow from the war wizards would have been fine, if it was given a story that linked it to the College of War Wizards in some way. Created by one or something more interesting.

[ddonoobgamer]

Actually as long as it had good stats that would be preferable to a quarterstaff, at least I could clear out an inventory space from that +1 returning dart I keep around in case of ranged levers.

A shortbow would not have quarterstaff stats, so the above is moot. But the above does show you're ok with it as long as it was arcane friendly (ie. has stats preferable to a quarterstaff) for the war-wizard turn-in. Which is kinda the point here. The cleric turn-in weapon has only weapon damage effects/bonuses. So for that to be cleric friendly, you'd expect to have something they're proficient in.

[ddonoobgamer]

Because its thematically related to the god Amaunator/Lathander (they are the same god)? Lathander was one of the gods recommended for good aligned rogues in the FR source material. He's big on renewal and blowing up the undead.

Or perhaps all those things I mentioned are what clerics would want? Leading back to the point that it is reasonable to expect a cleric friendly weapon from a cleric turn-in especially when all the other cleric turn-in items are cleric friendly?

And BTW most people are not D&D nerds, so your comments really show you're living in another world which could explain why you can't understand the OP's point. Not saying this is bad, but it does explain the disconnect I'm seeing.

[Vormaerin]

Which is why the "Druid" stuff is all +Dex based gear with move silently/hide, backstabbing, and other stuff every druid wants...

Nowhere else in DDO are there class based vendors. Why do you insist that this is suddenly a situation of class based division instead of just being the names of organizations like every other case in the game?

[ddonoobgamer]

Which is why the "Druid" stuff is all +Dex based gear with move silently/hide, backstabbing, and other stuff every druid wants...

Nowhere else in DDO are there class based vendors. Why do you insist that this is suddenly a situation of class based division instead of just being the names of organizations like every other case in the game?

The druid turn-in is another issue altogether. I personally think it should just be renamed to "adventurer" or something cause its a mix and match of different things. If there was another thread on it, I might give my opinion there too depending on what's been written.

But back on topic, this is about the cleric turn-in. I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a cleric friendly weapon from a cleric turn-in especially when all the other cleric turn-in items are cleric friendly.
For the same reason I would not expect a shortbow with only weapon damage effects in the war wizard turn in.

BTW, I'm not insisting on anything. Expecting a certain outcome is not the same as insisting on a certain outcome.

[Chauncey1]

Just because it comes from clerics doesn't mean it's a cleric weapon. It's clearly designed for ninja spys or maybe rogue

^this

I am wanting a pair for my rogue to replace the sunblades.
Rockin those beauties with an ethereal bracers or gloves against undead...
*swoons*

[Raithe]

^this

I am wanting a pair for my rogue to replace the sunblades.
Rockin those beauties with an ethereal bracers or gloves against undead...
*swoons*

Yes, because brilliance (avg 3.5) and radiance (avg 3) damage, -10 for DR, so totally rocks in comparison to a simple +5 Holy mace/sickle/axe/scimitar of Disruption or Greater Disruption.

I think its hilarious that the principal opposing argument about this is being made by a cleric that actually has shortsword proficiency. Guess what? You aren't going to be critting undead anyway, so shortsword is as good as rapier and both are not-so-hot anyway.

If you are looking for a general-purpose weapon, its probably easier to get a random Cormyrian blade which will work better against most mobs if you don't have a lot of sneak attack. Cleric and druid commendations are the hardest to get, imo.

[Rian]

Cleric and druid commendations are the hardest to get, imo.

Cleric commendations commenly drop out of Unquiet Graves.
Druids I come out of The Lost Thread with the Wizzy commendations.

[arkonas]

wow i see some of the people have really gone off the topic. I don't care about the other traders. i don't care if other classes can use it or not. if you really want to break it down fine lets do it.

most of the gear on the cleric traders are more for a divine except the short sword.

druid trader all gear can be used by a druid even the weapon. Ok now is the gear good. its meh, but the druid can use it. Sure some of the gear could be used by a rogue too :P

War wizard all can be used by a wizard or sorc. Yet again other classes can use it too. But it goes with the class.

villager aka monk. all of it is for monk. Could you use it on other classes. Sure why not.

pdk yet again melee can use this one as well. Yet again anyone can mix in the items like any other class.

That is not the POINT i was making. my point is don't make a trader with "cleric" if the own class can't use the item inside it. I should not have to multi class pick up a feat umd be drow to use it. Is it really that hard for people to understand the point I'm making? Okay, even if they made it a mace would it be op. NO. But it would be usable by them.

Can a divine use other items from the other traders? YES. Can other classes use the cleric trader? YES. They can always add more traders as the game progresses. They could also add more items to the list too. This isn't about min maxing dps or being the best. It's just more of a point.

[arkonas]

Cleric commendations commenly drop out of Unquiet Graves.
Druids I come out of The Lost Thread with the Wizzy commendations.

commendations drop in any chests. there is no real place for them. i have found them more to be completely random.

[ninjadwarf_uk]

wow i see some of the people have really gone off the topic. I don't care about the other traders. i don't care if other classes can use it or not. if you really want to break it down fine lets do it.

most of the gear on the cleric traders are more for a divine except the short sword.

druid trader all gear can be used by a druid even the weapon. Ok now is the gear good. its meh, but the druid can use it. Sure some of the gear could be used by a rogue too :P

War wizard all can be used by a wizard or sorc. Yet again other classes can use it too. But it goes with the class.

villager aka monk. all of it is for monk. Could you use it on other classes. Sure why not.

pdk yet again melee can use this one as well. Yet again anyone can mix in the items like any other class.

That is not the POINT i was making. my point is don't make a trader with "cleric" if the own class can't use the item inside it. I should not have to multi class pick up a feat umd be drow to use it. Is it really that hard for people to understand the point I'm making? Okay, even if they made it a mace would it be op. NO. But it would be usable by them.

Can a divine use other items from the other traders? YES. Can other classes use the cleric trader? YES. They can always add more traders as the game progresses. They could also add more items to the list too. This isn't about min maxing dps or being the best. It's just more of a point.

Let's try putting it another way, the clerics who give you this gear are clerics of a god for whom the Sunblade is a holy weapon. So the set is usable by the clerics giving it away and so as such makes perfect sense.

It is thematically correct, that a pure Eberron cleric isn't specced to use a reward designed, in game, for a cleric of a different god on a different world is irrelevant. It is the most appropriate weapon for that group to be giving away, and its about what they would give away for a reward, not what you want as the recipient that matters.

[arkonas]

What are you, level 2? Stop swinging a weapon on a caster, you look like a noob.

lol so because your a caster you can't swing a weapon? that is funny. hahaha i guess all those battle classes are noobs. oh noes fvs/clerics better but those weapons down. its bad mojo :P

lol noob would be people who think that a caster only does one thing. heh i melee casters all the time. they have no real hp. lol why waste sp on them lol drop a blade barrier for the trash go melee an archer. oh noes hes giving me sp back while i beat him up (torc and con opp item) Wait what was i thinking? that is bad to do :P

Also people keep talking about shortbows from a war wiz. Well guess what that didn't happen. now did it. they got a quaterstaff. guess what they can use that. omg wow. is it so hard to ask that clerics or divine in general get a weapon they can use without doing anything xtra? mmmm? mmm?

Actually what would work better to make EVERYONE happy. Someone was mentioning this.
" What doesn't make any sense is acting like the fact that the priests of the sun god are distributing the items means they must be for clerics.

The trade in weapons are a longsword, a shortsword, and a quarterstaff, plus two caster staves. In other words, not one of the weapons is the sort preferred by any character class in the game.

The Star of Day is a "holy" weapon of the sun god (A superior sunblade). It makes sense that they would make this weapon available to those who have championed their cause (ie earned 15 commendations).

The fact that the weapon is not desired by the priests of foreign, otherworld gods is probably NOT making any of the priests of Amuanator cry."

See this one work. Cleric commendations should give a longsword, shortsword and sure the quarterstaves. i would do the same with the other traders. Give them stuff that allow other classes to make more use of the traders. This is something they can add in the future. see that is a reasonable solution.

[Vormaerin]

See this one work. Cleric commendations should give a longsword, shortsword and sure the quarterstaves. i would do the same with the other traders. Give them stuff that allow other classes to make more use of the traders. This is something they can add in the future. see that is a reasonable solution.

The point of the commendations is to provide a decent high level weapon for those who do not have alchemical, greensteel, or upgraded epic weapons. They aren't really intended to displace any of the top items in the game.

The PDK Gloves are the only really stellar item in the turn ins, though most of the stuff is respectable.

No "battle cleric" or "melee FVS" I am familiar with uses any of the default cleric weapons. The only thing that turning the Star of Day into a mace would do is make it even less likely to be used.

[ddonoobgamer]

I think its hilarious that the principal opposing argument about this is being made by a cleric that actually has shortsword proficiency.

I'm not sure if you're refering to me, but I actually would benefit from that shortsword moreso than if it was a mace. But just because I benefit from it doesn't mean the OP is wrong. I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a cleric friendly weapon from a cleric turn-in especially when all the other cleric turn-in items are cleric friendly.

Your comment is equivalent to making fun of a person who believes its not right to discriminate against minorities when the person himself/herself is not a minority. People don't always have to speak out of self-interest. If somebody says something that's reasonable and a bunch of internet bully-wannabes attack that person, I reserve my right to add my voice to the side of reason even if I personally gain nothing from it.

[arkonas]

The point of the commendations is to provide a decent high level weapon for those who do not have alchemical, greensteel, or upgraded epic weapons. They aren't really intended to displace any of the top items in the game.

The PDK Gloves are the only really stellar item in the turn ins, though most of the stuff is respectable.

No "battle cleric" or "melee FVS" I am familiar with uses any of the default cleric weapons. The only thing that turning the Star of Day into a mace would do is make it even less likely to be used.

i never thought about the lore when i was making my statement about the sword. Even when you read up on it. Maces were favored. So it would make more sense. If you look at the clerics now. you dont see a blade weapon them. its the scepter of eternal sun a mace :P I understand that these items might not replace everyone's gear nor did i ever say it should. lol sure there might be some out there one day that will since its newer content and levels going up.

lol

[eachna_gislin]

i never thought about the lore when i was making my statement about the sword. Even when you read up on it. Maces were favored. So it would make more sense. If you look at the clerics now. you dont see a blade weapon them. its the scepter of eternal sun a mace :P I understand that these items might not replace everyone's gear nor did i ever say it should. lol sure there might be some out there one day that will since its newer content and levels going up.

lol

I agree 100% that it is odd and jarring that the clerics hand out bastard swords. Especially if it's particularly sacred to their god.

Granted, it's a bit of an assembly line in practice, but in theory the results of handing in commendations is a reward to an extra-planar stranger who went "above and beyond" to help the residents of Eveningstar.

What kind of gratitude would it be when an adventurer has stopped evil necromancers from violating the graves of relatives of the clerics, rescued hostages held by a drow priestess, possibly de-poisoned the water supply for the whole town, rescued the (eventual) savior-ess of the entire realm multiple times, and even helped in myriad "little" ways in the King's Forest, to be told "It's a violation of your god's tenets to use a sword? Bah...go bother the villagers, they might have a stick for you."

That's not to say that the clerics would be expected to have every possible cleric weapon choice. But they should have a "simple" weapon available (since all faiths can use them) to give as a reward to exceptional heroes passing through.

edit: Also, religious of any faith do NOT pass out cherished symbols of their god to non-believers. Quite the opposite would be true. They would have something on hand to give to the hero that saved Eveningstar (and Faerun). But they would not give away magic items normally reserved for the greatest champions of the faith. Even if the main temple sent them a full crate.