DR breaking.

[liltova]

Hello Community,

So i've capped 8 casters (well level 20+), and decided that it's time to cap a melee toon.

The only thing I don't know... is how to bypass DR. I heard if you mix Silver with something.. you can bypass devil boss DR.. or Metalline and Pure Good..

Pretty much just need to know what combinations can bypass Devil Boss DR, and/or other endgame boss DR.

This will probably help all the newer players also that don't know much about DR breaking.

[Ranncore]

Hello Community,

So i've capped 8 casters (well level 20+), and decided that it's time to cap a melee toon.

The only thing I don't know... is how to bypass DR. I heard if you mix Silver with something.. you can bypass devil boss DR.. or Metalline and Pure Good..

Pretty much just need to know what combinations can bypass Devil Boss DR, and/or other endgame boss DR.

This will probably help all the newer players also that don't know much about DR breaking.

Hah, I recently had this problem myself.

Silver+Good will get thru the toughest of outsider DRs. You should keep one of these handy at all times. The old optimal combination was a +5 Silver Holy weapon of Evil Outsider Bane, which a crafter can make unbound. LOB requires Adamantine and Good, so try a +5 Adamantine Holy of Construct Bane. Von3 requires Anarchic to break the Marut's DR.

I always carry a +5 Metalline of Pure good just in case. Metalline is the only thing that breaks the Stormreavers Mithral DR.

A few quests in the game require Evil weapons - like Cholthuzz and Running with the Devils.

You'll also want something to make your attacks ghost touch (spectral gloves can be epicced, ethereal bracers are easy to find).

Breaking DR is largely a matter of wiki-ing the quest in advance to make sure you are prepared.

[scottmike0]

Hello Community,

So i've capped 8 casters (well level 20+), and decided that it's time to cap a melee toon.

The only thing I don't know... is how to bypass DR. I heard if you mix Silver with something.. you can bypass devil boss DR.. or Metalline and Pure Good..

Pretty much just need to know what combinations can bypass Devil Boss DR, and/or other endgame boss DR.

This will probably help all the newer players also that don't know much about DR breaking.

sometimes when i find you cannot get a damage reduction weapon i find a suitable high damage weapon is your best bet.

A high damage one would probably be banes + elemental bursts or bleeding with holy. I am sure there is more as in over time damage which i really like because of seeing huge numbers.

Over time damage is a weapon like- incineration, salt corrosion, or one of those new types-- not that sure

But anyways you rarely need to worry about bypassing damage-reduction because its not like your going to be doing 0 damage to the mobs "all" the time.. i find if i cannot bypass dr i just use one of my best weps(weapons) to do the job. Just remember elemental weapons/outside weapons are extremely excellent when not bypassing damage reduction.

[liltova]

Okay so here is something to test myself.

If I had say an Epic Dynastic Falcata.. and slotted it with Good, and then my guildy Arty gave me Silver on it, would I bypass Boss Outsider DR?

[scottmike0]

Okay so here is something to test myself.

If I had say an Epic Dynastic Falcata.. and slotted it with Good, and then my guildy Arty gave me Silver on it, would I bypass Boss Outsider DR?

yes

[Ranncore]

sometimes when i find you cannot get a damage reduction weapon i find a suitable high damage weapon is your best bet.

A high damage one would probably be banes + elemental bursts or bleeding with holy. I am sure there is more as in over time damage which i really like because of seeing huge numbers.

Over time damage is a weapon like- incineration, salt corrosion, or one of those new types-- not that sure

But anyways you rarely need to worry about bypassing damage-reduction because its not like your going to be doing 0 damage to the mobs "all" the time.. i find if i cannot bypass dr i just use one of my best weps(weapons) to do the job. Just remember elemental weapons/outside weapons are extremely excellent when not bypassing damage reduction.

this is how normal shrouds fail. if a melee cannot break DR, he is not doing his job.

[liltova]

this is how normal shrouds fail

normal shrouds can fail?

[karpedieme]

Hello Community,

So i've capped 8 casters (well level 20+), and decided that it's time to cap a melee toon.

The only thing I don't know... is how to bypass DR. I heard if you mix Silver with something.. you can bypass devil boss DR.. or Metalline and Pure Good..

Pretty much just need to know what combinations can bypass Devil Boss DR, and/or other endgame boss DR.

This will probably help all the newer players also that don't know much about DR breaking.

Nice of you to join the melee ranks.

Most trash mobs will require either one type of effect to bypass DR... When you get to some Orange / Red named mobs you most of the times need a combination of Good + Metal property

Here below you will find an extensive and proper DR Table for various mobs in the game.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_DR_and_weaknesses

Sulomaades = Horned Devil

Horoth / Harry = Pit fiend

Hope this helps.

Have fun and best of luck

[Ranncore]

normal shrouds can fail?

post-leveling stone pugs, yes :)

[scottmike0]

this is how normal shrouds fail

don't judge... im sure some others defeated shroud without having dr-- (you gotta realize casters are awesome because they do not use damage reduction) off topic i know im giving an example) melee's do more than just hit off... seriously are you that bored and just press auto attack...

in the shrouds i've been in, rarely has a shroud fail, and that was due to healing or hit point bases or lack of communication..

I kno


Also you not really helping with the post..

[pseudomasochist]

Okay so here is something to test myself.

If I had say an Epic Dynastic Falcata.. and slotted it with Good, and then my guildy Arty gave me Silver on it, would I bypass Boss Outsider DR?
That will cover you for devils like Horoth, Suulomades, and Harry. For demons like Lailat, flensers, and reavers, you'll need good and cold iron.

[liltova]

That will cover you for devils like Horoth, Suulomades, and Harry. For demons like Lailat, flensers, and reavers, you'll need good and cold iron.

So then my Arty could give my Falcata Cold Iron instead of Silver?

[scottmike0]

So then my Arty could give my Falcata Cold Iron instead of Silver?

arti buffs work as in- weapon buffs- only 1 can be slotted same as equipment

to answer your question, yes...

[sebastianosmith]

Roll a Shintao III monk and by-pass almost every significant DR in the game with some +1 wraps of PG and your fists. It makes finding DR breakers as easy as leveling. :)

[scottmike0]

Roll a Shintao III monk and by-pass almost every significant DR in the game with some +1 wraps of GP and your fists. It makes finding DR breakers as easy as leveling. :)

Yep-- that was my first melee

of course i still had to get holy for some of the bosses :/

[Ranncore]

don't judge... im sure some others defeated shroud without having dr-- (you gotta realize casters are awesome because they do not use damage reduction) off topic i know im giving an example) melee's do more than just hit off... seriously are you that bored and just press auto attack...

in the shrouds i've been in, rarely has a shroud fail, and that was due to healing or hit point bases or lack of communication..

I kno


Also you not really helping with the post..

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse.

[kierg10]

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse.

In normal shroud the DR is low enough that your comment about normal shrouds failing is invalid.

[scottmike0]

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse.

it can be if your a new player.. seriously it is hard to make platinum as a new player.. Back then the prices were outragious for a damage reduction -- i remember them being around 100k because they were rare.... Im sure you started out Excellent because it appears so, it must seem that all the dr breakers were easy to you, im guessing handed down or something?


There is an excuse to new-comers they do not find damage reduction breakers easily or at least i did not. which is why i rolled a monk because i lost hope in finding one but still, i did shroud fine.... So do not say your being carried.....

[chrichton]

this is how normal shrouds fail. if a melee cannot break DR, he is not doing his job.

To be fair - it can take a lot of time to actually get some of those silver weapons (before artificers were around). Silver rapiers are quite rare. And if you are going to use metalline instead - you might be better off with a high damage weapon.

[Shishizaru]

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse.

Especially on normal difficulty, a high DPS weapon can be close (or even exceed) a weak DR breaker. Certainly, if you are running something on Elite, breaking DR becomes significantly more important.

One new player wandering into Shroud without a DR breaker is not going to cause you to fail.

[Ranncore]

What kind of newcomer melee can make it to level 17, all the way through shroud flagging, without being able to afford the single most important investment for his character - a weapon that he can beat a boss with?
A leveling stone character?
Arguably, a DR breaker for Harry is the most important investment a melee character can make in the entire game.
Promoting this sort of laziness is absurd. Finding a silver weapon is just not that hard.

[DarkForte]

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse.

This is spot on. Even a dark monk (hardest melee to break dr with IMO) can swing around a pair of mettaline of righteousness shortswords, being better off than with non breaking hws.

[scottmike0]

What kind of newcomer melee can make it to level 17, all the way through shroud flagging, without being able to afford the single most important investment for his character - a weapon that he can beat a boss with?
A leveling stone character?
Arguably, a DR breaker for Harry is the most important investment a melee character can make in the entire game.
Promoting this sort of laziness is absurd. Finding a silver weapon is just not that hard.

easy- running with tr's and surviving, but not getting those dr breakers like you said, i mean i have an example *using a level 16 barb that has indeed flaged for shroud and he only has 5k plat due to many other gear he wanted which was +6 gear...
I find +6 gear is better than getting a special dr breaker, but hey thats my personal feelings..
i did not know what or who harry was when i was a newcomer... seriously i don't know how you knew about this stuff when you were new to the game, but others can agree with me.. i know im not the only one that *was indeed new* and sought out for +6 gear rather than dr breakers.. i find dr breakers are only really needed if you are doing 0 damage in your main wep so what if you do 15 less or 5 less it will not make a difference the boss will go down as a team not as a single.......
Something you must remember, new comers do not have the information you do new-comers hardly ever read the forum.. literally i never knew the forum existed until update 8 so.... yeahh

[Shishizaru]

What kind of newcomer melee can make it to level 17, all the way through shroud flagging, without being able to afford the single most important investment for his character - a weapon that he can beat a boss with?
A leveling stone character?
Arguably, a DR breaker for Harry is the most important investment a melee character can make in the entire game.
Promoting this sort of laziness is absurd. Finding a silver weapon is just not that hard.

I find your post equally absurd.

1) Do not apply your experience to every one else's. When my first character got flagged for Shroud, I couldn't afford anything on the AH that broke DR. Luckily I was a Paladin. If I wasn't, I might have gone into Shroud wielding a light mace and a dagger. And probably done less damage than if I used non-DR breaking rapiers.

2) If your sentiment about the leveling stone is that it was bad, I probably agree with you here. It pushed a lot of people through the game way to fast to learn a lot of important things. This does NOT mean that those players don't WANT to learn. Many people with poor builds or itemization simply don't know any better. Many of them are also very open to advice on how to improve.

3) The guy with DR breakers and no CON is probably not going to contribute as much as the guy with no DR breaker and decent CON.

4) Nobody is encouraging new players to actively ignore DR breakers. We are simply trying to explain to you why they might not have them.

5) I haven't seen a silver weapon drop in my loot tables for quite some time. I'm glad it's not hard for you, but it is for some people. Sure, the AH exists, but that also assumes they have enough plat to get what they need.

[Verzra]

Find a flametouched weapon and craft metalline and (g)eob on it.

this will get all of the following bosses:

demons
devils
pit fiends
reaver

Then maybe get an adamantite weapon and craft holy(burst) and (g)cb on it for LOB


~Verzra

[scottmike0]

Find a flametouched weapon and craft metalline and (g)eob on it.

this will get all of the following bosses:

demons
devils
pit fiends
reaver

Then maybe get an adamantite weapon and craft holy(burst) and (g)cb on it for LOB


~Verzra
eh that could work but that would be costly on both ends(as in crafting-person & buyer)

i find just deal with the weapons you have & if you have the money buy one that will last until the next best thing comes to you.. Chests are always full of something you may find handy

[-Zephyr-]

Shroud norm is cool and all, but coming in a thread asking how to break DR and saying "you don't have to care about DR" is not helping.

To the OP, you should read this (http://ddowiki.com/page/Damage_Reduction).
The "monster and weakness" page (linked at the bottom of the page I linked above) is useful to read too.

Contrary to what others have said, finding DR breakers is extremely easy now. Crafted +4 holy of bane is easy and cheap, can be made unbound and will do more DPS than anything you can find cheap on the AH. Look for a good crafter and he'll do that for you.

Also, if you capped many casters, i doubt you are so poor others have said. Good DR breakers are all you need to pull your weight in most "old" raids.

[liltova]

I am plat capped on 2 of my casters. So what most of the posts have been about, being new, not being able to buy weapons off the AH are irrelevant, I just need to know what to buy.

So I kind of want to know...

What would be the absolute best weapons vs a Boss Horned Devil, Pit Feind, and Demons/Reavers.

Thanks.

[karpedieme]

I am plat capped on 2 of my casters. So what most of the posts have been about, being new, not being able to buy weapons off the AH are irrelevant, I just need to know what to buy.

So I kind of want to know...

What would be the absolute best weapons vs a Boss Horned Devil, Pit Feind, and Demons/Reavers.

Thanks.

Absolute Best Weapons are Crafted not bought......

If you do have relatively high crafting levels to access Greater Bane shards etc.... You will buy significantly lesser versions of that will require an arty buff to bypass dr in many cases. Ex metallic properties.

[Enoach]

Golf Bag: (Basics - you can get the more advanced clubs for greater effect)


Sliver + Holy/Good - Devils/Vampire *
Cold Iron + Holy/Good - Demons
Adamantine + Holy/Good - Lord Of Blades
Cold Iron + Evil - Eladrin
Even if not your specialty try to have at least 1 of Slash/Pierce/Bludgeon weapons available for use


As you can see the one type of weapon that fills MOST of these slots is the MINII shroud crafted weapon ML 12. However, you will sacrifice additional damage since most bosses are immune or highly resistant to Acid.

* Most Undead Boss types also have Slash/Pierce reduction so Bludgeon. Also Devils are more prone to being effected by Electric Damage, electric damage used in conjunction with a Air Savant or Artificer can also help increase DPS. Another Option is Light Damage or Negative Damage as FvS and Dark Monks have ways of inflicting weaknesses to these type.

Any of those combinations with the appropriate Greater Bane is a Plus.

However, Keep in mind having a non-DR breaking High Damage weapon while in the company of an Artificer can also help. This type of buffing allow LITII weapons to maintain their effectiveness on Hard and Elite

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Crafting is a good way to fill in holes or even make a more effective version of a DR-Breaker. It is especially nice if it can be done against a Silver/Cold Iron/Adamantine weapon with a Guild Augment Slot.

[Wipey]

If you are going into a raid without a DR breaker for the boss as a melee character, you don't deserve to loot the end chest. You're being carried by the players who came prepared. It's not hard to find a DR breaker. There's no excuse. I LOVE your attitude

40 ish crafting

khops or falchions

+4 holy silver of lawful outsider bane for Devils ( Harry, Horoth+ Sully, Baktor+ Turigulon), tieflings, Abishai,Chrono ..
+4 holy cold iron of chaotic out bane for Lailat, Demon of the frenzied blood , hezrous, jariliths, flensers+ renders

80 ish crafting

+5 holy burst of greater banes, and you can get ml20 2w silver/cold iron/addy blanks now
holy burst adamantine of greater construct bane for lob or portals ( smiters works too for portals )
whatever with metalline for Piker's Fate
min2 is a waste. Lit2 or whatever you fancy ( epics + augments or arty, as long as it breaks DR) for the rest/trash.

[captain1z]

My first shroud raid ever was in a group with 9 members of Katet (guild from back in the day), I started beating on the devil with a cloudburst. This guy Gunga started laying into me about my choice of weapons and what I needed to have. In my defense, I just didnt know what to expect as I was my first time in with no prior knowledge.

Gunga, as always, was brutally honest and while I was initially upset, I left with my Katet sponsored completion, sold my loot and bought better weapons for next time. The difference in damage was like night and day. Metalline of pure good can be bought off the auction house for near dirt cheap until you start becoming picky on weapon type. You can always get something to cover you until the loot gods favor you.

I have absolutely been in pugs with multiple first timers (as many as 8) who could not break dr. The first thing to go is the party sp, its a very quick spiral after that, straight down.

Unlike the op, not everyone is gonna ask questions like she has before hand. Any first timer should get the pass one time but if you manage to flag for shroud, there really is no reason why you shouldnt be able to properly equip yourself once you know what you need. You wouldnt run Taming the flames again after having a rough time in quest the first time, without some means of blocking fire damage. You wouldnt run deleras without bare minimum a club of the holy flame.

Its just wrong to let people carry you, you gotta come prepared. My only exception would be a rogue whose weapon is like 10% of his damage. For that he can use curspewing, shattermantle, destruction, weakening, whatever.....doesnt matter all that much.

[EllisDee37]

To the OP, check out my Weapon Recipes thread linked in my signature. It's written with crafters in mind, but it's a decent overview of breaking dr on a melee even if you don't craft.

[captain1z]

I am plat capped on 2 of my casters. So what most of the posts have been about, being new, not being able to buy weapons off the AH are irrelevant, I just need to know what to buy.

So I kind of want to know...

What would be the absolute best weapons vs a Boss Horned Devil, Pit Feind, and Demons/Reavers.

Thanks.

For all your raid boss purposes just craft a min2 and your done.
Good for vod, hound, shroud and shavarath, lord of blades, devils, demons, you name it.
You could look up all the ingredients and craft it on a high level ship.

Alternatively you could grab a silver holy burst of pure good off the auction house. The targets vulnerable to it are just a bit more narrow but its the most bang for your buck.

Silver or metalline is not optional but holy can be swapped for anarchic as good can be swapped for cold or electric; one of the properties must be good though. The dr breaker must contain both silver &good in some form.

[Vormaerin]

Arguably, a DR breaker for Harry is the most important investment a melee character can make in the entire game.
.

What a stupid thing to say. *You* may find running the Shroud to be the most important thing you do, but many players don't organize their existence around raiding.

[Shunlee123]

For a rogue, Turbulent epee from the Harbringer of Madness chain is the perfect DR breaker. It is metalline and aligned. Mr rogue toon dual wields them when fighting bosses.

[DarkForte]

I am plat capped on 2 of my casters. So what most of the posts have been about, being new, not being able to buy weapons off the AH are irrelevant, I just need to know what to buy.

So I kind of want to know...

What would be the absolute best weapons vs a Boss Horned Devil, Pit Feind, and Demons/Reavers.

Thanks.

Main boss targets for breaking DR are:
-Pit fiends/horny devils: Silver+Good;
-Mariliths: Cold Iron+Good;
-Lord of Blades: Adamantine+Good;
-Abbot: Bludgeon.

Most other places have mobs that sport /Good DR, which is easy to bypass.

If you have high crafting levels, make yourself a:

+5 Holy Burst (Silver for devils/Cold Iron for demons/Adamantine for constructs) [weapon] of Greater (Evil Outsider for the two first/Construct for the last one) Bane.

If you don't, buy the shards to make a:

+5 Holy (metal as above) [weapon] of (Evil Outsider/Construct) Bane.

[DarkForte]

For all your raid boss purposes just craft a min2 and your done.
Good for vod, hound, shroud and shavarath, lord of blades, devils, demons, you name it.
You could look up all the ingredients and craft it on a high level ship.

Alternatively you could grab a silver holy burst of pure good off the auction house. The targets vulnerable to it are just a bit more narrow but its the most bang for your buck.

Silver or metalline is not optional but holy can be swapped for anarchic as good can be swapped for cold or electric; one of the properties must be good though. The dr breaker must contain both silver &good in some form.

I'm pretty sure a crafted-by-others +5 Holy Metal of Bane on an epic-level weapon (and maybe even on a no-ML weapon) is better than a min II (too tired to do the maths on it right now).

[Vormaerin]

I'm pretty sure a crafted-by-others +5 Holy Metal of Bane on an epic-level weapon (and maybe even on a no-ML weapon) is better than a min II (too tired to do the maths on it right now).

Yes, but you can't use those until lvl 20. We are talking about a lvl 17 raid, after all.

[DarkForte]

Yes, but you can't use those until lvl 20. We are talking about a lvl 17 raid, after all.
+5 Holy of Bane is ML:18.

[EllisDee37]

Most other places have mobs that sport /Good DR, which is easy to bypass.

If you have high crafting levels, make yourself a:

+5 Holy Burst (Silver for devils/Cold Iron for demons/Adamantine for constructs) [weapon] of Greater (Evil Outsider for the two first/Construct for the last one) Bane.

If you don't, buy the shards to make a:

+5 Holy (metal as above) [weapon] of (Evil Outsider/Construct) Bane.The problem is that many demons have DR/Byeshk.

For my demon beater I prefer +5 Metalline Flametouched Iron of Greater Evil Outsider Bane.


Yes, but you can't use those until lvl 20. We are talking about a lvl 17 raid, after all.They are ML17.

[liltova]

Thank you for all of the quick great replies. I think I've decided to go paladin my first melee life and use the holy swords until I get all of the preffered beaters for each type of enemy.

As a side note, would one preffer a pure pally or a paladin monk splash, or anything else?

Ps - hard to reply on iPhone lol.

[Dragavon]

Normal devils have DR good or silver. Normal devils include all bearded devils and orthons.
Greater devils have DR good and silver. Greater devils are all named bosses. Arreatrikos and Horoth are pit fiends, Suulomades is a horned devil.

This means that to break normal devils DR you need a weapon with one of holy, good or silver properties. To break a greater devils DR you need holy/good and silver. Metalline of pure good is an alternative if you do not have something better.

There are several types of demons in the game, with different DR properties. All old demons have DR cold iron and good. Some of the newer quests have xoriat demons. These demons have DR byeshk and good. Thaarak hounds, including the boss in the Hound of Xoriat raid have DR law. Belashyrra, the final boss in the Lord of eyes quest is a special demon type called Daelkyr. These demons have DR law and byeshk.

Vampires and werewolves have DR /silver.

Mindflayers have DR byeshk.

Maruts have DR chaos.

Metalline of pure good is a nice general purpose DR breaker that breaks most DR's found in game, except for hounds, maruts and Belashyrra. Tailor made DR breakers for specific monsters are better if you can make/find them.

[SaneDitto]

Thank you for all of the quick great replies. I think I've decided to go paladin my first melee life and use the holy swords until I get all of the preffered beaters for each type of enemy.

As a side note, would one preffer a pure pally or a paladin monk splash, or anything else?

Ps - hard to reply on iPhone lol.

A monk/rogue splash gets you Evasion, which goes well with a paladin's naturally high saves--and in the rogue's case, a little sneak attack and various class skills--but going pure gives you full BaB, access to the capstone and other such enhancements (capstone particularly; it deals extra damage to evil opponents and even more versus evil outsiders/undead and obviates your need to break Good DR), 2 level 3 spell slots (meh) and 2 level 4 spell slots (awesome).

Whether being pure is worth losing the ability to laugh at 250+ delayed blast fireballs to the face is your call...unless you take the Shadowdancer destiny, where tier 6 gives you Evasion.

Anyway, having played a splash, I'd say there are times having Evasion saved my character's butt, but there are times that I curse having only 2 level 4 spells and only +22 BaB. :P

[Vormaerin]

+5 Holy of Bane is ML:18.

It was the 'crafted on an epic weapon' part that I was referring to. Any of those 2(W) weapon bases have, or should have, an absolute ML of 20.

[Jay203]

if anything, check the combat log to see what kind of DR the enemy has that's blocking your physical damage :p

[liltova]

So all of your melee players out there carry around atleast 5-10 sets of weapons to bypass specific DR? Atleast thats what i plan to do on my future melee's, so I don't have to go run to the bank or anything of that sort.

[-Zephyr-]

So all of your melee players out there carry around atleast 5-10 sets of weapons to bypass specific DR? Atleast thats what i plan to do on my future melee's, so I don't have to go run to the bank or anything of that sort.

Yes.
Only the most frequently and important DRs tho. Good+silver, good+cold iron, good+adamantine will get you very far already. You may want other DR breakers for some encounters (Abbot, Marut, Ghaeles), but those are rare enough that you can leave them in the bank if you have inventory problems.

[liltova]

Another thing to note, I haven't bothered much with the cannith crafting, will I myself need to get my crafting levels high, or can I buy the best DR breakers from other crafters?

and are lit2's the most damage trash beaters?

[ddoplayer064]

Another thing to note, I haven't bothered much with the cannith crafting, will I myself need to get my crafting levels high, or can I buy the best DR breakers from other crafters?

and are lit2's the most damage trash beaters?

Crafting in the 40's will let you make basic beaters; i.e. +4 holy of <bane>. These will be ML 15. LitII's will out damage most, but not the top end, beaters on normal difficulty, and are still among the best "all around" weapons (the new Drow weapons will usually beat a LitII, but you have to have the right prefix/suffix combo, and those are rarer than hens teeth).

[captain1z]

Thank you for all of the quick great replies. I think I've decided to go paladin my first melee life and use the holy swords until I get all of the preffered beaters for each type of enemy.

As a side note, would one preffer a pure pally or a paladin monk splash, or anything else?

Ps - hard to reply on iPhone lol.


I have both a pure pali and a monk splash. After the change to AC gaining evasion was not worth

Edit- was talking to someone as I posted this so it was short so as not to be rude. I should have added that this was my opinion only. The reason I feel this is that you limit the potential dps on an already limited paladin by reducing his weapon selection to kamas and wraps. In addition, the current AC system forces you to invest heavily in gear and feats to reach a meaningful AC. With basic, level appropriate armor, no grinding, a pure pali at level 20 can reach 80+ AC with no effort. Ive actually looked at my character sheet and been surprised at the number because none of my gear is expensive or "special". Just stuff pulled from chest or auction.

My monk splash has poor damage, no prr, AC usually 10 - 15 below armored melees and for what. The dodge percentage is ok and I have great saves but all Im really doing is surviving, not making much of a difference in quest beyond being the last one to die.

Ditch evasion, take your half damage, power through and heal up. Being alive is not much help when your nickel and diming raid bosses.

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I think the best way to play a paladin right now is to go fighter splash for 2 levels and get 2 feats. you'll get more dps out of those two feats than you would from pally capstone if you do it right.