Glancing blows and cleave attacks

[jejeba86]

OK, after testing I have the following results for anyone who's intestered in spinning with big weapons:

The following do proc glancing blows:

Cleave;
Great Cleave;
Supreme Cleave;
Momentum Swing.

There is no reason why Lay Waste won't produce glancing, but I still haven't tested it.

Also, vicious damage apply both to the cleaves and the glancing blows.
But when the vicious is...
a weapon property, it goes by your chance of applying magical effects;
because of frenzy or death frenzy it will always proc on glancing blows.

I even got two glancing in one regular cleave: one shown above the cleave damage and the other shown below!

That means, for maximum damage, a Frenzied Berserker with full THF line + Overwhelming critical (now that it does not have Weapon focus as pre-requisite) and using momentum + lay waste (going dread or twisting them) wins the game :) (just teasing, but it does hit hard!)

edit: old post below (just highlight)

Hey all.
I have seen several posts clamming that glancing blows don't proc on cleave attacks. So I decided to test.

With my lvl 7 barbarian on the ship dummy I was getting glancing blows with regular cleave in all attacks, even when moving.

With my lvl 20 fighter I got glancing in all attacks, even moving, on cleave and great cleave.

Unfortunately my barbarian is still away from supreme cleave on his tr leveling and my fighter don't have the dreadnought cleaves yet, so I can't test those.

So I'd like to ask you guys to test it for me, and post the results here.

The reason for this is I'm choosing if overwhelming critical is worthy of some trouble or not. And to help people decide about the thf line too.

Thank you in advance.

[Shade]

They do, and it was in the release notes when it was added.

Overwhelming critical: Currently broken.
May be fixed in U15. We should know soon as lamannia is up (next 1-48hrs tops).

[jejeba86]

They do, and it was in the release notes when it was added.

Overwhelming critical: Currently broken.
May be fixed in U15. We should know soon as lamannia is up (next 1-48hrs tops).

Thank you, shade.
But I could not find any mention of this in the release notes.
But if you are using it and it procs the glancing, it's good enough. And that's true, right?

Also, while you are here, how do you feel about splitting 2 lvls of fighter for getting the OC? Considering it's fixed on u15.

[cru121]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_9_Release_Notes#Feat_Changes

[jejeba86]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_9_Release_Notes#Feat_Changes

Hummmm, thank you.
I thought he was referring to lay waste and momentum swing, so I went for u14.
Now I can't tell if he was referring to cleave and great cleave or momentum and lay.

[jejeba86]

ok, did some testing and updated the post

[Shade]

ok, did some testing and updated the post

Yea you updated with some unneccesary crude remarks intended to try to get bbns nerfed.

You know what class wins the game?
Any one that can solo epic raids.

Bbns still havent even solod normal vod, which everyone and there mom has done at this pnt. I think they are the only class who havent.

Theres a reason for that.

Yea they have ok dps, it comes at a high cost, they are hardly overpowered. most ppl recently rated them at the bottom of the pack.

also your testing is flawed. Cleave will never produce two glancing blows. It does a single one, as intended.

[sephiroth1084]

most ppl recently rated them at the bottom of the pack.

That was probably more a fun issue than anything else. I have a barbarian that I've TRed once, and run at cap. I also have 5 other characters at cap, each a different class (wizard, rogue, monk, paladin, archer thingy), and everyone but the barbarian is at least level 23. The barb is 21. He's just not as much fun to play.

I wouldn't rate barbs as underpowered by any stretch, but they are less interesting than most of the other classes.

[Lighti]

Only thing that isn't working on Cleave attacks is Improved Shield Bash

[Viisari]

Only thing that isn't working on Cleave attacks is Improved Shield Bash

Off-hands don't work with cleaves either!

:p

[JollySwagMan]

That was probably more a fun issue than anything else. I have a barbarian that I've TRed once, and run at cap. I also have 5 other characters at cap, each a different class (wizard, rogue, monk, paladin, archer thingy), and everyone but the barbarian is at least level 23. The barb is 21. He's just not as much fun to play.

I wouldn't rate barbs as underpowered by any stretch, but they are less interesting than most of the other classes.

With regards to the recent popular ratings comment, I'd agree with this, and add that the class often attracts ego-heavy players. So do some other classes, notably Monks, WF Sorcs and WF FVS. However their self-sufficiency makes the jerks playing these less of a chore to group with, compared to a jerk on a Barb.

This is all a bit offtopic of course :)

[jejeba86]

Yea you updated with some unneccesary crude remarks intended to try to get bbns nerfed.


I love playing my barbarian. I'm no powergamer, and I play for fun. And I have fun playing it. Why would I want to make it nerfed? Do you think that despite all the other comments the devs will look at mine and think "yeah, barbarians are overpowered, let's nerf it!".
If you can't see the fun remark as a fun fact, please do not try to read my mind, OK?


also your testing is flawed. Cleave will never produce two glancing blows. It does a single one, as intended

You say so. Could be a bug, could be a display issue, could be anything. That does not take away the fact that I have seen it. Did not check the combat log. Did not screenshot. Should have done both. You come here and tell me that hitting the ship dummy with one cleave and then one supreme cleave with 3 seconds interval is flawed. OK, sir, I won't stick to it. I'll try to be better next time, I swear :(:(:(:(

[zukt]

Cleave is broken on quarterstaffs. No glancing blows. It works for every thf feat weapon besides quarterstaffs, but no one seems to have fixed this yet.

[01000010]

Yeah, you can get multiple glancing blows with one cleave, theres a trick to it.

[jejeba86]

Yeah, you can get multiple glancing blows with one cleave, theres a trick to it.

Hum, failed my sarcasm check, so I'll have to ask: seriously?

[Ivan_Milic]

Hum, failed my sarcasm check, so I'll have to ask: seriously?

Lag :D

[jejeba86]

Lag :D

Hehehe, I don't know... maybe my tests are flawed! hahahahaha