Fighter 2W - 32pts - First life

[Tharam]

Hi,
could u gimme ur feedback about this template plz.
I start at lvl 7 with 32 pts. No reincarnation.
I'm a noob at DDO...
I'll use book +3 at lvl 11


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Tharam
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 432
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 11
Will: 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 25
Dexterity 16 20
Constitution 16 22
Intelligence 11 14
Wisdom 11 14
Charisma 6 9

Tomes Used
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 4 20
Bluff -2 1
Concentration 3 8
Diplomacy -2 1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -2 -1
Heal 1 12
Hide 3 5
Intimidate -2 1
Jump 5 14
Listen 0 2
Move Silently 3 5
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 2
Search 0 4
Spot 0 2
Swim 5 14
Tumble n/a 9
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I


Level 12 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 16 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 20 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I




Thx for ur advices

[Nitesco]

Initial thoughts are max Intimidate, 1 in Tumble, rest in Balance and anything left over in Spot or Jump. Not sure why you have 16 Dex, unless it gets you something in ED's, so drop that down and either boost Str or look at gear and see if you might more easily enable Silver Flame healing by investing the points in another Ability. I don't see any tactical Feats, so I'd probably drop Spring Attack for Improved Sunder or Stunning Blow. You could probably drop Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting for something else too. Didn't really look at Enhancements.

[Feithlin]

By starting with 14 Dex (+3 tome enough for TWF), you could start with 18 Con and could thus apply for eToughness with a +3 tome.
11 Wis does you nothing. That's 3 points you can use to start with 17 Str. Dumping Int to 8 would allow to start with maxed Str. You would loose skill points, but you could still get: 23 ranks in Intimidate and 6 ranks in balance.

[Kinerd]

-Toughness 4 is never a good bet. Toughness 3s are rarely. That's 10 AP you can turn into something more useful.
-Dwarven Axe Attacks have been strongly marginalized by the new AC system. Instead of attack + d20 vs. AC, you now do d100 vs. (attack + 10.5) / (2 * AC) + .2, and it rounds so the 6 AP you spend on +2 to-hit might do literally nothing for you.
-Crit Acc 4 is right out.
-Item Defense 1 can hit the bricks too.

What to do with your newfound 21 AP...
-Haste Boost, Haste Boost, Haste Boost. The first rank is so unbelievably powerful (6%+ DPS boost for 1!!! AP) that you're just silly not to take it.
-You also never take Kensei 3, which is weird. Grab Attack Boost 3 (useless but a pre-req) and Kensei 3 and Mastery.
-Dwarven Spell Defense is really your strongest enhancement as a dwarf. Ideally your best bet is human or half-elf for more heal amp and more DPS, but if you do stay dwarf you may as well grab rank 3.

And since that puts you at -1 net AP, drop an Armor Mastery. Done! :)

Stats and feats are fine, assuming you're going for Overwhelming Critical. If not, well... do. Precision also might be worth considering, because why not? And drop OTWF for Improved Sunder.

[Tharam]

Ok
Thx for advices ans answers !

[unbongwah]

If you're new to DDO, I wouldn't advocate splurging on a +3 Supreme tome for your first(?) character. Most of us go went thru multiple chars before figuring out (A) how DDO works and (B) what we liked best, which means you might regret spending all those TPs on a character you end up not liking. That being said, a +3 Supreme does open up some possibilities here... :)

Now, having just said that, I'm gonna whip up a build which splurges on two more tomes: a +1 DEX & +1 INT taken at lvl 3. Why? You'll see...

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02
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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
(20 Fighter)
Hit Points: 422
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 9
Will: 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 17 28
Dexterity 14 17
Constitution 18 22
Intelligence 9 12
Wisdom 8 11
Charisma 8 11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 18
Bluff -1 3
Concentration 4 9
Diplomacy -1 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 0
Heal -1 0
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 1 26
Jump 3 11
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 1
Search -1 3
Spot -1 0
Swim 3 9
Tumble 3 4
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Precision (or Power Critical)


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Epic feats: Overwhelming Critical: Slashing* and epic Toughness
Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought (http://ddowiki.com/page/Legendary_Dreadnought) because duh :cool:

*OC was bugged when U14 / MotU first came out and didn't work; haven't checked to see if it's been patched yet

Normally I wouldn't dream of starting below max STR on a Kensai build like this, but there's a method to my madness - i.e., reasons why I spread stat pts like that:


Base DEX 14 + 1 tome @ lvl 3 lets you take TWF at lvl 4; the +3 tome @ lvl 11 lets you add ITWF & GTWF.
Base CON 18 + 3 tome will let you get epic Toughness (+50 HPs).
Base INT 9 + 1 tome @ lvl 3 gets you 8 extra skill pts from lvls 4 thru 11 until you take +3 INT @ lvl 11, which gets you 9 more skill pts from lvls 12 thru 20. It's a rather expensive way of getting max Balance on this build - remember: the DPS of any build flat on its back is zero ;) - but hey, if you're gonna splurge, get as much outta it as you can.
Base CHA 8 + 3 tome and base WIS 8 + 3 tome will let you use Silver Flame healing potions (http://ddowiki.com/page/Favor#The_Silver_Flame) without being rendered helpless by the "-10 to all stats" penalty. It takes a lot of SF Favor to unlock them (probably won't happen before lvl 15) and they don't come cheap; but they'll be the single best source of self-healing you'll have as a pure fighter w/out UMD.

I'm on the fence about a few feats. Precision is better than it was since they got rid of the dmg penalty this update, but I'm not sure how often one would actually use it; still playing around with it myself. Power Crit is "just" a +2 Seeker bonus, but that's still much better than it was. Dodge & Mobility are better than they were - +5% Dodge & +2 MDB - but I'm still not convinced they're worthwhile to a non-tank; but this build has a few feats to spare, so why not? I also considered tweaking things (probably by dropping base CHA to 7) to hit INT 13 (base 10 + 3 tome) in order to add Combat Expertise + Improved Trip to improve the tactics flavor (instead of Dodge & Mobility).

Despite taking TWF at lvl 4, for the first several levels, I would use a greataxe, particularly if you've got a Carnifex (http://ddowiki.com/page/Carnifex). Power Atk + Carnifex pretty much pwnz everything crittable until you've got at least ITWF and probably GTWF too.

Unfortunately, a dwarven Kensai wielding dwarven axes is always going to be a little behind the DPS curve compared to the best khopesh builds, so I tried to include more of what dwarves do have going for them - namely survivability, thru higher CON, more Toughness enhs, epic Toughness, and Dwarven Spell Defense (+3 to all saves vs magic). Plus a couple of tactics boosts for good measure.