Something insane just happened

[Quetzacoala]

I was in a group for an elite Hiding in Plain Sight run and I was standing outside of the entrance when all of a sudden I found myself inside of the other quest that takes place in the same dungeon, the one with the huge crate. I figure that I must have stepped in the wrong one on accident when I realize that a different group than the one I am in is in the dungeon, composed of level 5s and so. Somehow I managed to enter another group's instance while remaining in my group.

Now, I was in shock and left very quickly, so I only grabbed one screenshot that only does an okay job of proving that this actually happened.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j396/Quetzacoala/Untitled-5.jpg

My proof is as follows:

In the bottom right corner you can see that Erythyn Veridyn, the low level hireling, is selected, and is therefore in the quest. Now, I cannot show names of my group on the left due to privacy restrictions... however, if you examine my group members classes, you will see that none of them are a cleric. In other words, it shows that none of my group members are Erythyn, yet Erythyn is in the dungeon with low level characters and therefore I somehow stepped into another groups instance!

[Rodomonte]

. Now, I cannot show names of my group on the left due to privacy restrictions...


...So nobody look at the party chat window in the lower left!

[Hafeal]

...So nobody look at the party chat window in the lower left!

LOL. :p

[samthedagger]

wow... freaky

[Quetzacoala]

...So nobody look at the party chat window in the lower left!

Whoops, nice catch!

[captain1z]

Hireling of..........

[Quetzacoala]

Hireling of..........

Gah!

[doomboy]

that... is actually pretty cool!

[phillymiket]

Does everybody have goatees?

If so, watch your back and just play along or you'll end up in the Agony Booth.
It's a most effective means of discipline.
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[Quetzacoala]

that... is actually pretty cool!

In retrospect, it was, but I left too quickly out of shock to enjoy it.

Should have helped out the low levels by tossing some Greater Commands around... huh, now that I think about it, did I kill their experience?

[Enoach]

In retrospect, it was, but I left too quickly out of shock to enjoy it.

Should have helped out the low levels by tossing some Greater Commands around... huh, now that I think about it, did I kill their experience?

Now that would be interesting to know, as its possible that there was a group of level 5s that can't figure out who summoned the level (above quest level) Artificer (which is not available as a hireling), because they killed the party XP.

Or did they not notice getting Zero XP

Or hopefully - "You were never there" and so didn't register.

[Quetzacoala]

Now that would be interesting to know, as its possible that there was a group of level 5s that can't figure out who summoned the level (above quest level) Artificer (which is not available as a hireling), because they killed the party XP.

Or did they not notice getting Zero XP

Or hopefully - "You were never there" and so didn't register.

Actually, I was on my Favored Soul at the time, which is available as a hireling.

However, I would be roughly 5 or 6 levels higher than them and therefore none of them could summon me.

Still wondering about whether I affected their experience though, hating myself for not taking the time to hit 'x' and taking a screenshot.

[Lilbadass]

Normally if a player above lvl enters and it reduces or removes xp , when that said person leavesthe quest normal xp is normally restored so they most likley got xp

[Quetzacoala]

Normally if a player above lvl enters and it reduces or removes xp , when that said person leavesthe quest normal xp is normally restored so they most likley got xp

True, but I am unsure as to whether I "officially" entered, so their experience may behave as if I never entered.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Normally if a player above lvl enters and it reduces or removes xp , when that said person leavesthe quest normal xp is normally restored so they most likley got xpThat's not true, otherwise you could pull out your high level character, zerg through a low level quest, then switch characters and do the end fight to complete.

[Lilbadass]

That's not true, otherwise you could pull out your high level character, zerg through a low level quest, then switch characters and do the end fight to complete.


Hmm maybe its an over time thing , I've had I higher lvl step out as soon as the quest started because it affected everyone else , and there was no xp penalty

[Quetzacoala]

Hmm maybe its an over time thing , I've had I higher lvl step out as soon as the quest started because it affected everyone else , and there was no xp penalty

Nope.

For example, if a level 20 entered a level 2 quest and then left immediately, the other players would not receive experience no matter how long they take.

[Full_Bleed]

I wonder if it has something to do with you having a bad connection. You've clearly got a bad connection, on the verge of breaking at that point.

[Fomori]

However, I would be roughly 5 or 6 levels higher than them and therefore none of them could summon me.

Maybe they did summon you. Someone in group could have said, '****, I wish we had a favored soul' as you zoned.


In a ToD a night ago we were waiting to fill ,and it had been about 20 min since the last person joined, when I made a comment about 'please join the lfm or kittens will die'. Boom! 2 of the last 3 slots filled within 30 seconds.

It can happen!! :D

[Quetzacoala]

I wonder if it has something to do with you having a bad connection. You've clearly got a bad connection, on the verge of breaking at that point.

My connection at the time was fine; while I was experiencing a little lag, in the past I have experienced far more crippling lag and nothing like this ever took place then.

I do not think my connection was what caused this.

[captain1z]

Hmm maybe its an over time thing , I've had I higher lvl step out as soon as the quest started because it affected everyone else , and there was no xp penalty

A group of 5 random level 7's enter a quest with 1 level 20 bard. The bard buffs with everything he has and leaves.
What are the odds of the remaining group finishing quest x and how much harder or easier will it be.

[kierg10]

it would be epic if this happened during a raid wuth 12 druids... because: 12 druids, 12 druid wolves, 12 summons times 2, so a total of 72 friendlies in a raid :D

[countfitz]

Since it's a bug and not an exploit (I hope...) you can freely put people's names up.

[captain1z]

Since it's a bug and not an exploit (I hope...) you can freely put people's names up.

Think he was worried more about privacy than anything else. Which I still dont see the issue but everything is always fine until someone complains.

[mondo]

It may be possible to try and test and recreate the situation, allthough this may be considered exploiting. even though there is nothing really exploitable about this quest, low xp, and no chest. It would be funny if you could slip in on a caster or something without the group knowing, and start insta-killing kobalds lol imagine a group trying to figure out how there 5th lev wiz is casting FoD PWK

[TrinityTurtle]

I wonder if that level 5 group got experience hoses and don't know why.

[Raist1280]

Normally if a player above lvl enters and it reduces or removes xp , when that said person leavesthe quest normal xp is normally restored so they most likley got xp

That actually isn't how it works - if someone overlevel enters the quest, even just to open elite for you and then immediately leaves, the XP penalty for them having been in the dungeon still remains. Nothing can undo that penalty, as the game only checks for highest level in the party as each party member zones in to the instance.

As to the OP having zoned inadvertently into another party's instance, I'm not sure it would effect XP... the game checks everyone in the *party* and OP wasn't partied with the players in the instance he ended up in... It's entirely possible that -- as entering someone else's instance is supposed to be impossible without partying with them first -- that this created a situation where OP was allowed in to the instance without effecting anyone's XP.

[ponzo]

I'm fairly sure this is not a new bug.

Back when I first started playing (European server, Boldrei), maybe a couple of weeks after the game launched...

I was in a waterworks pt 2 instance with a friend. We had just started and were approaching the area with the first spike trap and the cluster of kobolds on your left. We cleared that out and were getting ready to move into the area with the bridges when a group of three players came running the other way through the door.

Obviously, we all did a bit of a double-take and had a little chat about whose instance it was :)

Myself and friend vacated the instance and left them to it.

So yeah, kinda weird, but I'm surprised this kind of thing hasn't been reported much more often.

[Wrankorz]

It may be possible to try and test and recreate the situation, allthough this may be considered exploiting. even though there is nothing really exploitable about this quest, low xp, and no chest. It would be funny if you could slip in on a caster or something without the group knowing, and start insta-killing kobalds lol imagine a group trying to figure out how there 5th lev wiz is casting FoD PWK

There is a chest in there, but no one ever finds it. Its in the back corner on top of a stack of boxes, and is trapped.

[drwho1985]

Its the new "Random Quest" feature.

[adamkatt]

This is a resurface of an old bug from around launch like another poster stated. I remember having 2 groups of six in the same ww quest. :)

[Quetzacoala]

This is a resurface of an old bug from around launch like another poster stated. I remember having 2 groups of six in the same ww quest. :)

Huh, really?

Why would it resurface now though?

[madmaxhunter]

I will parrot the WW replies. Happened to me also. Quite a while ago.

Have you ever inadvertantly had two players summon a hireling at the same time? It's happened to me twice. Group was five. Two players summon the same hireling. One is listed as the sixth member of the party. The other is just "there". Controllable but not on the player list.

I wonder if this is kinda the same thing. Two groups entering at exactly the same time.

[Kaytis]

Huh, really?

Why would it resurface now though?

Walking around the office sharing floppy disks is not good version control people!

[dng242]

Normally if a player above lvl enters and it reduces or removes xp , when that said person leavesthe quest normal xp is normally restored so they most likley got xp

The quest calculates the party level for XP purposes based on the highest level toon to enter. It does not lower even if they leave before completion. Thus no or reduced xp.
Otherwise, I would just have lvl 20 toon run in a clear then leave so I could finish.

My guess is he never actually entered the quest from their point of view. They probably didn't even see him.

[Kelavam]

OP you have a screenshot. You could always mail/tell one of them and find out if they saw you or had exp altered because of your entrance.

I had the double hireling work with a group I was with as well. Was not the same hireling, but both were cast at the same time (so we assume) to have them both show up.

I have had a lot of bounce outs lately though. Enter a quest, starts to load, then I am standing back outside the quest. (I did not do a thorough search of the forums to see if anyone else has had this issue). I wonder if it was an instance like that, where you were brought into another groups quest instead of bouncing out.

I think I would have stuck around just to see how it all played out.

[Postumus]

This is a resurface of an old bug from around launch like another poster stated. I remember having 2 groups of six in the same ww quest. :)

Resurrected bugs is something we've been experiencing for the last year every time there is an update or patch, so no surprise this is another oldie but goodie.

It definitely has more wow factor than falling through floors or getting stuck in walls though.

[Hambo]

It may be possible to try and test and recreate the situation, allthough this may be considered exploiting. even though there is nothing really exploitable about this quest, low xp, and no chest. It would be funny if you could slip in on a caster or something without the group knowing, and start insta-killing kobalds lol imagine a group trying to figure out how there 5th lev wiz is casting FoD PWK

There's a chest in there, not that it matters unless you're running a new Alt with no twinking... :)

As you look from the view in the pic its in the corner of tha far wall to the right, on top of a stack of creates.

Most avoid it unless they or someone in the party is a Rog/Arti because of the trap, although there is a safe zone where the trap won't hit you. :rolleyes: