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aerendhil
06-29-2012, 02:25 AM
It's been pointed out in that thread already

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=380395

The commendations gained in the king's forest have to be BTA.
It would be much more player & team friendly

/sign if you agree and want Turbine to change that.

UltraMonk2
06-29-2012, 02:54 AM
Nope BTC is perfectly fine, the Commendations are easy to get and the requirements to get the items that you exchange for them are quite low.

If you do the quests and people hand over the Commendations that they don't need to those that do then it is even quicker.

Havok.cry
06-29-2012, 03:02 AM
I wouldn't mind bta commendations, but I would prefer if they just gave us more to spend them on. As it is you can quickly get more than enough commendations to get all the items at all the vendors and then have bags and bags full of them, more to spend them on would be nice. Maybe they could have a vendor that lets us spend commendations to roll new random stats on our named loot with random stats.

Munkenmo
06-29-2012, 03:03 AM
I am a person with alt itis.

I would obviously like these to be BTA so i can gear up my less played toons without playing them.

I totally understand why with items this easy to acquire they are btc.

Delssar
06-29-2012, 03:14 AM
/not signed

But

How about a commendation trader? something like with the gianthold relics.

Make it 3 for 1.

I personally have a bunch of war wizard ones, and I dont play arcanes and dont really plan to.

Argila
06-29-2012, 03:15 AM
/signed

-Zephyr-
06-29-2012, 03:16 AM
I personally assumed their BtC status was temporary, just like green dragon scales...
I agree they should be BtA.

Delssar
06-29-2012, 03:31 AM
There should be no BTA items at all, they should be either BTC or not bound. You wouldnt give a stanger a bundle of $100 bills would you? Then why would one of your toons give a stranger his nice weapon.


I'd also like to point out, that imho if you cant farm gear for the toon you want it on, then that toon doesnt deserve the gear.

aerendhil
06-29-2012, 04:04 AM
There should be no BTA items at all, they should be either BTC or not bound. You wouldnt give a stanger a bundle of $100 bills would you? Then why would one of your toons give a stranger his nice weapon.


I'd also like to point out, that imho if you cant farm gear for the toon you want it on, then that toon doesnt deserve the gear.

That's completely irrelevant.
I have 12 toons. all the level 20+ are perfectly able to farm the king's forest.
Forcing to farm specific commendations on specific toons is exceedingly annoying

Totensonntag
06-29-2012, 04:51 AM
/signed

1. I have lots of alts.

2. I see a problem forming groups if people refuse to log the professions needed just because of BTC ingredients. Exspecially on extremely low populated servers like Wayfinder this will become an annoyance for sure.

Schwarzie
06-29-2012, 04:55 AM
I'd also like to point out, that imho if you cant farm gear for the toon you want it on, then that toon doesnt deserve the gear.
All my toons who would be able to carry this gear are also able to farm it. the point is that i could simply take the toon any given group just needs to fill and still farm out the tokens i need.

With the current system you see a lot of groups waiting for a 4th and 5th player with the right class.

/signed

SirShen
06-29-2012, 04:55 AM
/signed

Ranncore
06-29-2012, 05:04 AM
why bother? i just spent my first day in eveningstar and already got a 3 piece set. they're easy to get. no need to make them BTA.

Lleren
06-29-2012, 05:15 AM
Personally I prefer bound to account, bound to character on equip :)

If I can take any character to farm for the character I want the stuff for, then I am more willing to bring whatever character I think would help the group best. I am also more likely to just jump in to fill a spot in a pug run when bored, as I can save up the loot for an alt. This includes the various puggle raids. As an example pre-expansion I was only running one maybe two Reavers Fates a week. Had the loot been "bound to account, bind to character on equip" I would of been been running quite a few more. Same with Hound, VoD, and ToD. I've got the time.

Someone that regularly joins other puggles in an MMO, is the content. Without the audience, there is no show.

Niflheimr
06-29-2012, 05:56 AM
/signed
For the 2 or 3 first toon, maybe i will farm them, but for all ? I would really prefer them BTA

Noctus
06-29-2012, 09:19 AM
/signed.

pjw
06-29-2012, 09:41 AM
/signed

I enjoy playing my casters and artificers, when I play my healers it is generally to help people I like. I have very little desire to grind for commendations on my healers, but would be inclined to bring them out more if they had better gear, courtesy of my alts.

darksol23
06-29-2012, 09:45 AM
It's been pointed out in that thread already

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=380395

The commendations gained in the king's forest have to be BTA.
It would be much more player & team friendly

/sign if you agree and want Turbine to change that.

/signed

Auralana7214
06-29-2012, 09:48 AM
There should be no BTA items at all, they should be either BTC or not bound. You wouldnt give a stanger a bundle of $100 bills would you? Then why would one of your toons give a stranger his nice weapon.


I'd also like to point out, that imho if you cant farm gear for the toon you want it on, then that toon doesnt deserve the gear.

My toons are all best friends. You don't know what they do when they aren't in front of you!

auntjobiska
06-29-2012, 09:49 AM
/signed

AJ (Idiot Extraordinaire)

krzyysiek098
06-29-2012, 10:50 AM
/signed

danotmano1998
06-29-2012, 10:57 AM
These seem to drop often enough, and the areas are going to be run through by all of my characters anyhow, so I would say it would be nice to see them BTA, but hardly necessary, IMO.

/Not Signed

Arkadios
06-29-2012, 11:02 AM
/signed

I was under the impression the btc status was temporary anyway.

Healsavant
06-29-2012, 11:03 AM
/signed

slimkj
06-29-2012, 03:28 PM
Not normally one for petitions, there being so many trivial ones about, but this one I'm all for. I very strongly dislike the BTC approach. I like to be able to log in the character I'm in the mood to play. That should be the only factor in my decision, in my opinion.

(I am aware that one could argue I could still do that and not get the commendations but then we get into the whole debate about leisure time, the loot rat race, blahblahblah)

DeafeningWhisper
06-29-2012, 03:31 PM
/signed

Even if we are meant to give the one we can't use to party members, they just drop into my inventory, it's not like I can pass them to anyone...

DarkForte
06-29-2012, 03:32 PM
My FvS has a lot of WW commendations he has no use for. I am sure that when I cap my wizard, he'll get a whole many PDK commendations he has no use for. Why not have them swap'em? /signed

xveganrox
06-29-2012, 03:33 PM
/signed

It isn't really a very major issue because the Commendations are so easy to get, but I don't see why they shouldn't be BtA - it makes more sense, really.

On the other hand, I think the gear that you turn them in for should remain BtC

Teraz
06-29-2012, 03:45 PM
There should be no BTA items at all, they should be either BTC or not bound. You wouldnt give a stanger a bundle of $100 bills would you? Then why would one of your toons give a stranger his nice weapon.


I'd also like to point out, that imho if you cant farm gear for the toon you want it on, then that toon doesnt deserve the gear.

That's like buying food but not letting anyone in your family eat it because it's BTC, your alts are like your family of toons so why wouldn't you share stuff with them.

Teraz
06-29-2012, 03:48 PM
Challenge stuff was BTC at first mistakenly and it was changed, I'm sure commendations were prob meant to be BTA too but are glitched. And most of the ones I've gotten were acquired from rares with no chests, just like scroll drops so no chance to pass to someone who needs it.

Bilger
06-29-2012, 04:14 PM
/not signed

There is no reason to BTA they are easy to get and if your character isn't good enough to play out there then they shouldn't be able to get that loot anyway.

Lil harsh but seriously if can't do something why get the benefits.

I understand well I have multiple 20's and it is a P I T A to run all and get everything it would be easier to fill pugs and such if could bring whatever. All understandable.

So you would rather run that 1 character and keep every commendation and not give or help others but be greedy. Understandable, that is human nature isn't it:rolleyes:

I have multiple 20's and if character is to gimped to go out there o well he gets **** and shelved.

That's the life of having multiple characters. Seriously don't ya want to get all there epic destinies done anyway. Which will take FR anyways and will get in long run anyways so what's the big deal other than laziness.

anyways as said before /not signed

nibel
06-29-2012, 04:15 PM
I have a better idea. Make them totally unbound, and require the raid quest giver to get 12 of each commendation before you can run the raid. (http://ddowiki.com/page/The_Reaver's_Bane) This worked in the past, might work now, and give everyone one more thing to sell in the AH.

No, I am NOT kidding or being sarcastic.

kierg10
06-29-2012, 04:18 PM
/signed

Also to the people saying "If you can't farm them on a toon they don't deserve them", have I somehow NOT earned them by farming them (and earning) them on another character? That is rediculous.

So as I said before /signed. Feed my altitis.

DarkForte
06-29-2012, 04:24 PM
I have a better idea. Make them totally unbound, and require the raid quest giver to get 12 of each commendation before you can run the raid. (http://ddowiki.com/page/The_Reaver's_Bane) This worked in the past, might work now, and give everyone one more thing to sell in the AH.

No, I am NOT kidding or being sarcastic.

Hell no. There's a reason why none of my first-lifers are flagged for Tor save those for whom I begged relics from my guildies. I run each of the quests in there twice at most on them. Forcing you to farm them to raid is not fun.

DeafeningWhisper
06-29-2012, 04:26 PM
So you would rather run that 1 character and keep every commendation and not give or help others but be greedy. Understandable, that is human nature isn't it:rolleyes:

LOL, most, drop, in, inventory. I have 12 commendations on my PM, I couldn't pass a single one of the 11 I don't need to party members, please keep that in mind when calling people names...

Hokiewa
06-29-2012, 04:40 PM
/not signed

There is no reason to BTA they are easy to get and if your character isn't good enough to play out there then they shouldn't be able to get that loot anyway.

Lil harsh but seriously if can't do something why get the benefits.

I understand well I have multiple 20's and it is a P I T A to run all and get everything it would be easier to fill pugs and such if could bring whatever. All understandable.

So you would rather run that 1 character and keep every commendation and not give or help others but be greedy. Understandable, that is human nature isn't it:rolleyes:

I have multiple 20's and if character is to gimped to go out there o well he gets **** and shelved.

That's the life of having multiple characters. Seriously don't ya want to get all there epic destinies done anyway. Which will take FR anyways and will get in long run anyways so what's the big deal other than laziness.

anyways as said before /not signed

Full of contradictions and false information. Commendations do not only drop in chests where you can assign them. They are awarded and immediately put into inventory.

Under your theory, shroud ingredients should be BTC, along with every other ingredient and collectible in the game, along with every weapon/armor....Absurd... That's a poor idea.

Accusing people of laziness is a child's retort in a game populated with adults.

teh_meh
06-29-2012, 04:45 PM
/not signed.

why should your 14 gimp alts get the spoils of new high level areas if they can't survive there? not a fan of bta either.

Gawna
06-29-2012, 04:55 PM
How about a commendation trader? something like with the gianthold relics.

Make it 3 for 1.


Yes! LOVE this idea!

Hokiewa
06-29-2012, 04:55 PM
/not signed.

why should your 14 gimp alts get the spoils of new high level areas if they can't survive there? not a fan of bta either.

Really? You don't twink your gimp alts with things gathered on your main?

Again, it is beyond absurd

NytCrawlr
06-29-2012, 05:03 PM
With the exception of raid loot, I am not a fan of BtC, I prefer BtA or BtCoE.

If I have earned it I have earned it and why does it matter which character gets it, especially since I run all my characters through the majority of the content anyways.

Definitely in agreement.

Zzevel
06-29-2012, 05:11 PM
I am a person with alt itis.

I would obviously like these to be BTA so i can gear up my less played toons without playing them.

I totally understand why with items this easy to acquire they are btc.

/signed

If I earned it by putting in the time somewhere, I should be able to use it however I need to. I'm not saying sell it or trade it like dragon scales, but se it n any of my own toons. All Raid loot should also be BTA, but that is a different thread :D

I'd rather people feed their own gimp alts good upgrades/eq because then I don't have to group with the gimp while they try to do it themslves... lol

teh_meh
06-29-2012, 05:19 PM
Really? You don't twink your gimp alts with things gathered on your main?

Again, it is beyond absurd

I do what the game allows me. But as a public policy situation, I would support abolishing BtA. It'll never happen so it's really not worth getting riled up about.

And stop being so high and mighty, throwing around the condescension. Grow a greenis, if you can. You'll live longer and be happier.

Niv-mizzet
06-29-2012, 05:40 PM
/signed for the same reason that I /signed when someone said that cannith challenge mats should be BTA.

It's really REALLY stupid to be waiting for say, a divine that your group desperately needs, and no one is willing to switch to their divine alt because they're "working on the commendations for the PDK set for their melee." I don't blame them. I blame whoever thought it would be a good idea to have the commendations be BTC. ONLY RAIDLOOT, and to a lesser extent, crafted things, should be BTC. Anything else should be unbound, or BTA, including the ingredients for buying/crafting.

Grosbeak07
06-29-2012, 05:49 PM
/signed.

slimkj
06-29-2012, 06:45 PM
/not signed.

why should your 14 gimp alts get the spoils of new high level areas if they can't survive there? not a fan of bta either.
Because spite isn't a good reason either?

nibel
06-29-2012, 06:48 PM
Hell no. There's a reason why none of my first-lifers are flagged for Tor save those for whom I begged relics from my guildies. I run each of the quests in there twice at most on them. Forcing you to farm them to raid is not fun.

That reason is "when I joined the game, Gianthold wasn't endgame".

When gianthold get into the game, and the level cap was 14, that "stupid grind" was awesome to give value to the expansion. MotU is comparable in size to Gianthold, and is endgame. They need to add a feature to force us to go back there over and over and over and over.

It worked with relics and scales when GH was endgame.

It worked with sigil pieces when Necro IV was endgame.

It still works with vale/shroud mats (you can grind shroud as much as you want, you still need that funk and peebles).

It worked with crystal disks in IQ.

It still works with ToD rings.

Commendations becomming unbound will turn them into valuable trade-ins. Even if you do not want commendations for you or any alt, you can still gather and sell them on AH. I have over a hundred tapestry pieces, and never felt that pulling another one from an explorer chest is useless.

So, yeah. Add something on the expansion that requires large quantities of commendations, and make them unbound.

Zarquine
06-29-2012, 06:58 PM
/signed

I have some commendations on my FvS and some on my fighter. So I have "proven" that I am able to get them on both my chars. But guess what? Both have not the ones that would be useful for them... And I haven't started on my Barb yet, but I am sure I will be really lucky and get a ton of Wizard and Cleric commendations.

If they have to stay BtC, how about a new mechansim where you can choose which commendation type you can get?

And for the "not giving things to strangers"-argument: My chars belong to the same family or Clan. :)

HAL
06-29-2012, 06:59 PM
/signed

shadereaper33
06-29-2012, 07:06 PM
/signed.

I also agree with earlier suggestion of making all BTA/BTC loot into BTA on acquire, BTC on equip. This would promote people bringing the character needed by the group, rather than the character needed by the loot. Raids would fill much faster, and we wouldn't see as much of the "I have done 80+ of X raid and still don't have my item!!!" rants.

arkonas
06-29-2012, 07:26 PM
heh you know that i have stated this topic 2 times before the op or the other poster did theirs. sure some people have a lot of alts but seriously after a few hours no one needs their commendations. most people even in groups will still pass it up once they get what they need.

Mortimar
06-29-2012, 07:36 PM
/not signed

The drop rates, cost of the items and quality of the items are all very good. I was surprised that I have already been able to acquire a nice helm and gauntlets. Maybe I was lucky on the drops, but if they halved the drop rates and doubled the barter cost I would still grind for these items since some of the items are really good.

Hokiewa
06-29-2012, 07:40 PM
I do what the game allows me. But as a public policy situation, I would support abolishing BtA. It'll never happen so it's really not worth getting riled up about.

And stop being so high and mighty, throwing around the condescension. Grow a greenis, if you can. You'll live longer and be happier.

Ahaha, high and mighty? I simply used the same language you did. Sorry it hurt butterfly. As for a greenis, who says I don't have one? Lmao, foolish.

Emili
06-29-2012, 07:58 PM
I'd have to say no...

What many people do not know outside of the collector turn ins are that these things are part of the ingredients for making other armours parts of those sets and for the new red and green dragon scale armours...

I think it's important in such aspects to keep these btc due these designs.

Ague
06-29-2012, 08:10 PM
I am starting to get tired of signing petitions... /unsigned

Carpone
06-30-2012, 01:00 AM
Commendations = crafting. Historically:

Epic crafting - Shards and Seals were eventually made bound to account.
Cannith crafting - Eventually bound to account.
Cannith challenge materials - Eventually bound to account.
Crystal Cove - Bound to account ingredients.

MOTU commendations should be BtA.

Dolphious
06-30-2012, 02:53 AM
/signed

Make them harder to get if you have to, same with making it non-retroactive, but btc commendations are just frustrating. You have little control over which ones you get, and it's just frustrating to get commendations that are totally useless to a toon.

zarthak
06-30-2012, 02:55 AM
/signed

Bilger
06-30-2012, 03:49 AM
LOL, most, drop, in, inventory. I have 12 commendations on my PM, I couldn't pass a single one of the 11 I don't need to party members, please keep that in mind when calling people names...

Use villager to buy sp or hp drinks. All give something decent accept cleric which gives SOF pots.

That is YOUR choice to not need party members not anyone elses so keep that in mind...

Never called anyone any names just said it seems greedy. Sounds like a bunch of people who are stomping feet wanting it all just handed to them.

And to the person who said contradicting myself I never once did in my post reread I said I understand because I do, but I don't agree with it because it seems greedy.

As far as shroud ingredients this is far from shroud ingredients and a lot easier to get. One is for Epic Items and one is for shroud items and such. Both good stuff but epic is the more powerful(or supposed to be) of the two so BTC makes sense.

Seriously jump in a guild group if lucky will get in 1 run for cheaper and couple of runs for ones that cost 15 if group gives to person that needs first.

Overall IMO BTC is fine it makes you actually run the character and learn it in this area and not just get loot without any effort other than soloing with your FVS or caster or main who is decked out to get it.

Lleren
06-30-2012, 04:10 AM
I have a better idea. Make them totally unbound, and require the raid quest giver to get 12 of each commendation before you can run the raid. (http://ddowiki.com/page/The_Reaver's_Bane) This worked in the past, might work now, and give everyone one more thing to sell in the AH.

No, I am NOT kidding or being sarcastic.

I would prefer that over the bound to character antics we appear to have with them now.
Mind you i'd prefer them be used for flagging too, while being Bound to Account over being bound to character or unbound, even at the loss of trade goods :)

I'm willing to to play for the loot, even play hard. I just want to be able to bring the player, not the character.

janave
06-30-2012, 04:22 AM
It's just... logical. If eveningstar epic loot can go straight to AH, i believe challenge mats and commendations deserve at least an Account Share option. You still need to get a lot of them eventually if you have a lot of alts, but lessens the grind, and eternal bagjunk.

/signed

yk49
06-30-2012, 04:46 AM
i have no preference over this, i just want dev clarification and explanation.
when running Eveningstar stuff, i'm already hearing
"i dont need this one but they may change to BtA later which they have done so in the past, soooo, im guna keep it" kinda talk.
not good for the game eh?

i just dont like the fact there seems to be no theory or philosophy behind these BtA/BtC thingie.
these things are falling into complete chaos.
in this update these are BtC, on that update those are BtA.
just too random. too much headache to keep track of our already F'd up ingredient bags.

Lleren
06-30-2012, 07:10 AM
i have no preference over this, i just want dev clarification and explanation.
when running Eveningstar stuff, i'm already hearing
"i dont need this one but they may change to BtA later which they have done so in the past, soooo, im guna keep it" kinda talk.
not good for the game eh?

i just dont like the fact there seems to be no theory or philosophy behind these BtA/BtC thingie.
these things are falling into complete chaos.
in this update these are BtC, on that update those are BtA.
just too random. too much headache to keep track of our already F'd up ingredient bags.

I think the above post brings up an important point.
What is bound to character vs what is bound to account vs unbound and even bound to character on equip. A Standard for this across the board would be easier to deal with and teach players.

While I personally feel that bound to account is better for bringing the players you want to bring and more loot getting used, others feel that bringing the character promotes loot passing and challenge.

DeafeningWhisper
06-30-2012, 10:06 AM
i have no preference over this, i just want dev clarification and explanation.
when running Eveningstar stuff, i'm already hearing
"i dont need this one but they may change to BtA later which they have done so in the past, soooo, im guna keep it" kinda talk.
not good for the game eh?

i just dont like the fact there seems to be no theory or philosophy behind these BtA/BtC thingie.
these things are falling into complete chaos.
in this update these are BtC, on that update those are BtA.
just too random. too much headache to keep track of our already F'd up ingredient bags.

Agreed, I ran a few quests last night no one traded any commendations in the chests, everyone expected them to become BTA at some point or be trade-able for commendation you do need.

Terebinthia
06-30-2012, 10:24 AM
/signed - BTA encourages people to bring the toon to the group that will benefit the group most, because they are still getting something out of it.

Clarkie
07-01-2012, 04:32 PM
/signed - Picking up quite a few of these with my arty, and he has no use for them at all.

Niv-mizzet
07-01-2012, 04:39 PM
/signed - BTA encourages people to bring the toon to the group that will benefit the group most, because they are still getting something out of it.

This. I'd rather have someone in group snagging every commendation he sees for his 50 toons, and bring the toon of his that will jive well with the group makeup (and get us in the quest and playing without a 30 minute lfm), then try to make it through with 6 unsupported melee that all want PDK and nothing else.

Please make them BTA. We don't need any more things than we already have hindering grouping with good class combinations.

Cianos_Fanas
07-01-2012, 07:28 PM
/signed

fco-karatekid
07-01-2012, 09:49 PM
/not signed

But

How about a commendation trader? something like with the gianthold relics.

Make it 3 for 1.

I personally have a bunch of war wizard ones, and I dont play arcanes and dont really plan to.

This is the better solution.

Diroctive
07-02-2012, 11:33 AM
As with challenge materials, House Cannith mats are bta, xpack mats are btc. Makes sense, eh?

danotmano1998
07-02-2012, 11:43 AM
Personally, I've helped a few people farm these.
I've also given away dozens of them in the new loot as I don't need them.

I guess it comes down to a choice.
Keep the stuff that may possibly be useful later on an alt or share the wealth?

I've been passing them like they were candy. If the current drop rates stay where they are, pretty much every character you care to run through the new stuff will end up with far more than they can use.


Which brings me to another thought... Every single time there are new quests the drop rates are set to ridiculously high levels. Then after a few weeks, they seem to magically shrink back to "normal" drop rates. So knowing this, my opinion may change on it at some point if Turbine does what they normally do. If not, I'd say these will soon be getting thrown out by me and most other folks by the bagful.

slimkj
07-02-2012, 12:19 PM
Couple of days in update, live from Thelanis: All my chars have the "wrong" commendations, or an unusably small amount of each. Random encounters are random.

Meh to BTC commendations. Big, fat... meh! Put us out of our misery and make them BTA, please. I have no idea why you've decided to switch the approach now other than to increase grind, which is as welcome as it ever was. :P

Thrudh
07-02-2012, 12:24 PM
/signed for the same reason that I /signed when someone said that cannith challenge mats should be BTA.

It's really REALLY stupid to be waiting for say, a divine that your group desperately needs, and no one is willing to switch to their divine alt because they're "working on the commendations for the PDK set for their melee." I don't blame them. I blame whoever thought it would be a good idea to have the commendations be BTC. ONLY RAIDLOOT, and to a lesser extent, crafted things, should be BTC. Anything else should be unbound, or BTA, including the ingredients for buying/crafting.

Yeah, I agree with this too...

Shroud was so successful, because if the group needed a cleric, I could switch to a cleric and still get ingrediants for my fighter. Cannith challenge mats are also successful in my mind now because they are also bta ingrediants. I can run whoever is needed in there.

Once I got my DragonTouched armor for my cleric, I never ran Reaver's Refuge again with him (since those ingrediants were bound to character).

XiaNYdE
07-02-2012, 12:43 PM
All my toons who would be able to carry this gear are also able to farm it. the point is that i could simply take the toon any given group just needs to fill and still farm out the tokens i need.

With the current system you see a lot of groups waiting for a 4th and 5th player with the right class.



/signed

Eladiun
07-02-2012, 01:02 PM
Meh... I'm not a fan of BTC but they are extremely easy to get and add up fast plus for Dragon Armor and such you need stacks of each so this is a marginal issue.

Jay203
07-02-2012, 01:06 PM
imo, anything that requires a specific quantity in order to turn in for something should all be bta...

psteen1
07-02-2012, 01:07 PM
why bother? i just spent my first day in eveningstar and already got a 3 piece set. they're easy to get. no need to make them BTA.

What???? I spent 6 days, did the first chain x6, spent 10's of hours in the forest... and I finally got 15 purple dragon commendations. They are not that easy to obtain.

gaffneyks
07-11-2012, 10:20 PM
I agree.

I was really looking forward to the new content until I found out they went back to BTC.

Now I am looking forward to the other D & D MMO coming out at the end of the year. I hope that company doesn't put **** like this in their game

chickenmaniac
07-11-2012, 10:51 PM
/signed

Multiple toons will be running the content anyway.

It is a source of frustration to have wasted commendations lying around, nothing more.

susiedupfer
07-12-2012, 03:31 AM
What you are going to have if they remain BTC is people running the content until they get the gear, then nothing. I can get XP and token frags easier running old content that I do not have to waste time running all over a map. After I get all toons flagged/geared, I am pretty much done with it.

Rian
07-12-2012, 04:36 AM
I agree that they need to be bound to account.
/signed

If a character can't farm it for itself, then farm for it on another toon so that toon can farm for stuff by itself or another toons should the need arise.

Actually, now that I think about it, no toon is capable of farming loot by themselves!
Why? Because each and every character needs a player!

Astraghal
07-12-2012, 04:49 AM
/signed

Let us make progress in the game, no matter which character we play on. What is the point of 4 other types of useless Commendations rotting in my bag, when I'm only ever going to use one type? I still did the quests, got the chests and that was my loot. Let me use my loot on one of my characters it is appropriate for. I paid for a shared bank, let me use it, this is a no-brainer.

Turbine, do not go back to the way it was with bound loot. Go forward like you have been doing, keeping things Bound to Account, or Bind on Equip at the very worst.

All raid items should follow these rules too. Plus you would have less of a problem with shortages of 'insert class type here', because they want to run on their 'insert other class type here', to get their Bound to Character items.

Bound to Character is a stupid game mechanic in a game where many people have alts.

Truga
07-12-2012, 05:28 AM
I support this.

janave
07-12-2012, 05:36 AM
/Signed any time it comes up...

Really, its time to admit it was a horrible decision, along with the challenge materials of gambledome, go BTA next patch. Its sad we have to beg for this.

janave
07-12-2012, 05:47 AM
others feel that bringing the character promotes loot passing and challenge.

Those **others** already farmed out everything 10times faster and easier on their single character they play. What do they solely play? FvS, Wiz, Sorc, Clonk.

Also hoping for loot passing is a very *my guild gets my stuff for me* attitude. Im not judging anyone, just saying getting stuff in a high level raiding guild is trivial compared to the endless grind that is pugging.

Eveningstar challenges could be a great way to fix up some gear on the newly created toons, or someone starting out in DDO freshly arrived to high level areas, it could be, but its heavily biased at the moment, and BtC is just piling on.

Challenge rating:
Melee: Very challenging.
Specialist: You should get a message at the door, its just not for you.
Casters: Laughfest puny.
Special note to Druids: Ha, you did have to leave Korthos, didnt you?

GreatOwl
07-12-2012, 05:53 AM
/Signed

True they are easy enough to farm for a toon or two, but BTA would:

1. make it easier for those with a lot of alts without taking anything from those with just one or two toons
2. allow people to just hop on any character they feel like playing at the time (this is a game, it should be about fun it shouldn't feel like work)
3. make people more willing to swap toons in response to what's needed by the party

These are major benefits that far outweight the possible drawback of less people passing commendations in chests. Best place to farm commendations is the forest anyway and there you have no option to share period.