Stone of Experience and needing the XP removed

[Vyrzain]

Stone of Experience and needing the XP removed

Please help with this.

In-Game support told me today… .

Oveik…tells you, 'In-game support is unable to reset, reverse, or move the stone of experience leveling bonus to another character, regardless of the circumstances.'

Who can I talk too? This Stone of Experience thing that you just added today broke my Toon and the fun I have playing with a group. Someone in-game did this me and now I have too much XP over the other people I play with.

I was traveling to the Inn in House K when a box popped up and I thought it was group request. When I hit “Yes” my inventory was over loaded. I did not know what happened. So I went to sell at the bar. I then saw in Chat that another Player was giving these things called “Stone of Experience” to everyone that was near the Inn. I did not see any stone so I destroyed the items since I could not sell them keeping three items that could be useful. I then thanked the person thinking he gave me a gift from a higher level player to a newbie. Maybe he was a GM in-game. I did not know.

That is when I noticed the Leveling Icon. I had 1,200,000 XP!

Again, I do NOT want this XP. I do not care about the “Stone of Experience” or what Toon may or may not have it as I now reading on these Forums. The term “ninja-stoned” is a good word used.

I need to be the same level I was before you added the “Stone of Experience”. We can delete the Toon then reset back a few hours or even a day if need. You can mark may account never to be able to use this “Stone of Experience”. You can copy this Toon to another slot so I can redo from 1st level. But something needs to be done!

This was not something I could read up on like the “Slice of Cake” where I got to pick what Items I wanted or save said cake. This was applied insanity. As stated it overflowed my Inventory without me opening anything.

Bottom-line I need to be what I was before a few hours ago. I will call support tomorrow after work. The Group that I have been playing with for the past 3 months now has less XP then I do and the balance we had is upset.

[Skavenaps]

well, i hope they can assist you. Also, on the dark side, i hope you understand its a bad idea click "yes" without even read the message.

[sirgog]

well, i hope they can assist you. Also, on the dark side, i hope you understand its a bad idea click "yes" without even read the message.

Lots of people are not even getting messages.

Server should be brought down for this. It's the worst harrassment issue I've seen since Limpchopper.

[Lithic]

In your case op you can just not level ahead of your group. Keep questing with your friends but only take a level when they do. It might annoy you to have to look at the blue bar the whole time but at least you've got the workaround available. It's an unfortunate waste of your accounts ability to use a stone though.

[Vyrzain]

In your case op you can just not level ahead of your group. Keep questing with your friends but only take a level when they do. It might annoy you to have to look at the blue bar the whole time but at least you've got the workaround available. It's an unfortunate waste of your accounts ability to use a stone though.

Yes I thought of that.. not leveling till they do. Two small issues though. Enhancement points will differ and I will not get the feeling of satisfaction after doing a long quest and seeing huge XP bonus. Hell I can even die, leave and reenter the quest without fear XP loss. That kind takes the fun out of it not having a death penalty.

Fingers crossed they can do something.

[xSeverinax]

Lots of people are crying over this, and yet..... not really sympathetic about it. A great big dialogue box pops up telling you about it, and you have to click yes to accept. I handed my stones out in the harbour, advertising them in general chat and advice, every person I gave one to had the dialogue box. An insane number of people asked me for 1 who were outside the level range or who had already used one on a different toon. This suggests to me that these people did not pay any attention or even read what they were told either when they used it or in the general chat window.

Simple story - if you used one on the wrong toon because you couldn't be bothered to read all the messages - it is completely your own fault. All this ninja levelling talk is just people who didn't pay attention to what they were doing trying to undo their mistake.

[BruceTheHoon]

It's the worst harrassment issue I've seen since Limpchopper.

Out of curiosity: what harassment issue has there been with limb chopper?

[Vellrad]

Lots of people are crying over this, and yet..... not really sympathetic about it. A great big dialogue box pops up telling you about it, and you have to click yes to accept. I handed my stones out in the harbour, advertising them in general chat and advice, every person I gave one to had the dialogue box. An insane number of people asked me for 1 who were outside the level range or who had already used one on a different toon. This suggests to me that these people did not pay any attention or even read what they were told either when they used it or in the general chat window.

Simple story - if you used one on the wrong toon because you couldn't be bothered to read all the messages - it is completely your own fault. All this ninja levelling talk is just people who didn't pay attention to what they were doing trying to undo their mistake.

-1 for epic fail on reading comprehension.
While I agree is someone reads big box and clicks yes, its his fault, there's few bugs, like click no and get XP, get spammed with stones and get autoaccept, or box not popping.

[Saravis]

Well considering the abundance of stones you could also have all your friends log in and get stoned too, thats another option.

[xSeverinax]

-1 for epic fail on reading comprehension.
While I agree is someone reads big box and clicks yes, its his fault, there's few bugs, like click no and get XP, get spammed with stones and get autoaccept, or box not popping.

Nope the epic fail is on you sir, for reading comprehension. The OP messed up, wasn't paying attention and clicked yes on the box.Why would you even accept a group invite if you weren't expecting one from a guildy? That isn't Turbines fault, nor is it some form of 'stealth' leveling. He actively clicked yes on a dialogue box that he didn't bother to read properly.

More to the point, in order to get those levels, he then had to go to a trainer and take each and every one of those levels, chosing feats and skills / spells each time. Until he did, he would have stayed at his original level. It simply isn't isn't a case of hitting the yes button and 'poof' you are 16. You have to go through a number of steps to get the levels. Aynone who claims that they were unwittingly poofed to level 16 is trying to undo their mistake at not reading the warning about it only being available 1 time per account.

[Vyrzain]

I agree, I clicked and did not read. But in my limited experience in this Game nothing ever did this type for permanent mess-up by clicking OK / Yes as these Stones are doing.

If you click a Tome, potion, re-spec, etc…wrong… . you are out what… the Platinum and have to get another? Hell you can even re-do FEATs, alignments, hair, class, etc…. if you screw-up. One of the reasons I wanted to play this Game, being new to it before I started, was that I could change my Toon to fit my play style later on.

This permanently messes with your Toon!

I see no way of going back without the Company resetting.

Help me out here, the more experienced / veteran Players… Can you think of / remember anything in-game that effects you like these Stones?
If so please tell me so I watch out for them in the future.

Plus, they are Stones… one would think they would appear in inventory, like everything else in-game that I have seen. Then allow you to decide to use said item?

This was done to me on one simple missed click.

[Vyrzain]

…………Why would you even accept a group invite if you weren't expecting one from a guildy? ………..

More to the point, in order to get those levels, he then had to go to a trainer and take each and every one of those levels, chosing feats and skills / spells each time. Until he did, he would have stayed at his original level. It simply isn't isn't a case of hitting the yes button and 'poof' you are 16. You have to go through a number of steps to get the levels. Aynone who claims that they were unwittingly poofed to level 16 is trying to undo their mistake at not reading the warning about it only being available 1 time per account.

In my case, to respond to your first point, I am a Crafter, I get Party invites all the time. I click on them because people find that easier to chat with then in /Tells. If the Click was wrong then I leave said Party Chat. This was different and messed up my Gaming Experience.

As per Leveling… as stated above. Have yet to level anything. I now have 1,200,000 XP that I do not want! I need this reset back to before a few hours ago. I am willing to NEVER have access to these silly Stones on any account and am willing to redo my whole Toon if the Company cannot do a simple reset / delete recover.

[Vyrzain]

Well considering the abundance of stones you could also have all your friends log in and get stoned too, thats another option.

It is an option, but not one I would like to do.

I said this before… Enhancement points will differ and we will not get the feeling of satisfaction after doing a long quest and seeing huge XP bonus. Hell we can even die, leave and reenter the quest without fear XP loss. That kind takes the fun out of it not having a death penalty.

Fingers crossed they can do something.

[brentpatty1]

someone always finds a reason to complain.

[sirgog]

Out of curiosity: what harassment issue has there been with limb chopper?

For a period nothing short of GM intervention removed Limbchopper from players. (This was removed about a fortnight after it was reported).

So if you made the mistake of going into a PvP pit, a griefer (or potentially even a non-griefer looking to play around with their shiny new very very rare weapon) could inflict your character with a persists-through-death, persists-through-logout -75% movement speed debuff.

[SSFWEl]

I need to agree. Took me a few minutes of reading to realize what was up.

The fact that you can only benefit on one toon per account (still not sure of you can benefit once on each server - but idc, only use one server) should be in bold, in huge letters. Not buried in the third or fourth paragraph.

And this should have been publicized before it came out. Not everyone reads forums and not everyone reads fine print. And this is pretty important fine print...
Don't get me wrong, I think this is very cool and is the ONLY reason I will TR my second life to third. I HATE levels 8-16. This way I will jump from Phiarlen to GH. So many many cudo's (kudos? koodows? coodows?) to the Devs.

To mess someone up, or losing the chance to use it on third+ life becasue of a single click, is not acceptable and not nice.

I understand your pain OP. Don't listen to the "you should have read it more carefully" crowd. This is certainly harassment in my book. Anything offered to any player without them asking for it, is, in my book, harassment. But I fear you just need shake your head and move on.

[Vyrzain]

Again any help from the memories of the more experienced / veteran Players?

Can you think of / remember anything in-game that effects you like these Stones?
If so please tell me so I watch out for them in the future.

If you click a Tome, potion, re-spec, etc…wrong… . you are out what?… the Platinum?... and have to get another? You can even re-do FEATs, alignments, hair, class, etc…. if you screw-up.

These Stones permanently messes with your Toon!

Next, when I was starting this game a few months ago, I thought I read a warning that was something along the lines of “Make sure you level before applying ‘X’ something. Because if you do not then all extra XP past that levels starting point will be lost”. Is there something in-game that I could get, activate now, and it would remove all that stored up XP back to may base level?

[sigtrent]

I think the OP here, Varzain has a legitimate compliant.

No, its not the end of the world, just not what he wanted. He made a small, fairly innocent mistake and suffered a consequence that was a big surprise and its because Turbine implemented a new system that clearly wasn't the best design from a user experience standpoint.

Mistakes happen, both by Turbine and by its Players. Mistakes are understandable, but Turbine does have a responsibility to try and make good as best they can.

I suspect they are trying to figure out how to address it but the service people likely have no clue at this point and only know that at the moment there is nothing they can do. Until those higher up come up with a plan, nothing is going to happen.

I'd only advice the OP stay patient, don't level, keep playing and see what shakes out this week. Turbine goofed some on this and we will see if and what they can do about it. Some mistakes you just have to live with, some you can do something about. Chances are they are hip deep in MOTA work and the way the stones have worked out in practice is not what they envisioned.

[Postumus]

As per Leveling… as stated above. Have yet to level anything. I now have 1,200,000 XP that I do not want! I need this reset back to before a few hours ago. I am willing to NEVER have access to these silly Stones on any account and am willing to redo my whole Toon if the Company cannot do a simple reset / delete recover.

So don't level. I don't see a problem here. You're wringing your hands about a bunch of free levels that you have banked. Don't take them until you want to take them. Problem solved, right?

What am I missing?

[smatt]

Nope the epic fail is on you sir, for reading comprehension. The OP messed up, wasn't paying attention and clicked yes on the box.Why would you even accept a group invite if you weren't expecting one from a guildy? That isn't Turbines fault, nor is it some form of 'stealth' leveling. He actively clicked yes on a dialogue box that he didn't bother to read properly.

More to the point, in order to get those levels, he then had to go to a trainer and take each and every one of those levels, chosing feats and skills / spells each time. Until he did, he would have stayed at his original level. It simply isn't isn't a case of hitting the yes button and 'poof' you are 16. You have to go through a number of steps to get the levels. Aynone who claims that they were unwittingly poofed to level 16 is trying to undo their mistake at not reading the warning about it only being available 1 time per account.

Wrong... Once you accept it.. You're locked in... So if you're at a bank clicking on thigns with multiple windows open and someone hit you with it.. Th econfirmation box pops BEHIND the other windows and yet stays active. It is very easy then to accept it without even seeing the window.

Get it? Probably not.. But it was worth a try :D

[Postumus]

I think the OP here, Varzain has a legitimate compliant.

No, its not the end of the world, just not what he wanted. He made a small, fairly innocent mistake and suffered a consequence that was a big surprise and its because Turbine implemented a new system that clearly wasn't the best design from a user experience standpoint.

Mistakes happen, both by Turbine and by its Players. Mistakes are understandable, but Turbine does have a responsibility to try and make good as best they can.

I suspect they are trying to figure out how to address it but the service people likely have no clue at this point and only know that at the moment there is nothing they can do. Until those higher up come up with a plan, nothing is going to happen.

I'd only advice the OP stay patient, don't level, keep playing and see what shakes out this week. Turbine goofed some on this and we will see if and what they can do about it. Some mistakes you just have to live with, some you can do something about. Chances are they are hip deep in MOTA work and the way the stones have worked out in practice is not what they envisioned.

Good advice. Good post.

[smatt]

So don't level. I don't see a problem here. You're wringing your hands about a bunch of free levels that you have banked. Don't take them until you want to take them. Problem solved, right?

What am I missing?
Said person wanted the stone on another character....

Heck, I was just on a lowbie I ran up to the ship teleport in the Marketplace on Ghallandra and peopel were spamming me... But I was only level 6...

Yes, they're free levels.. But that doesn't meanthe pooch wasn't screwed and that it's not working as advertised...

[phillymiket]

Nope the epic fail is on you sir, for reading comprehension. The OP messed up, wasn't paying attention and clicked yes on the box.Why would you even accept a group invite if you weren't expecting one from a guildy? That isn't Turbines fault, nor is it some form of 'stealth' leveling. He actively clicked yes on a dialogue box that he didn't bother to read properly.

More to the point, in order to get those levels, he then had to go to a trainer and take each and every one of those levels, chosing feats and skills / spells each time. Until he did, he would have stayed at his original level. It simply isn't isn't a case of hitting the yes button and 'poof' you are 16. You have to go through a number of steps to get the levels. Aynone who claims that they were unwittingly poofed to level 16 is trying to undo their mistake at not reading the warning about it only being available 1 time per account.

Wow.

Did you read the same thing I did?

OP didn't know event existed.

When has their ever been a button in this game that pops up in front of you uninvited that dramatically and permanently changes your character with no hope of reversal.

He shoulda known better in your mind?
Just desserts?
.

[Vyrzain]

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I'd only advice the OP stay patient, don't level, keep playing and see what shakes out this week. Turbine goofed some on this and we will see if and what they can do about it. Some mistakes you just have to live with, some you can do something about. Chances are they are hip deep in MOTA work and the way the stones have worked out in practice is not what they envisioned.

Thanks so much for the understanding and advice. I just got off the phone with Account Support and although they cannot do anything on their end they were very friendly and gave me two other options to look into.

The first, as I hinted at above, is a way just to remove the stored XP. The guy I spoke to on the phone stated that he remember something also along those lines and thinks maybe an item of Reincarnation, one of the “Hearts of Wood” does something like I am asking for. All I really want is to be 11th level again so for when next our group plays we will be getting the same XP, having a fear of death and the penalties death brings and not having extra Enhancement points. Plus, my fear that if I click again by mistake while at the trainer I level an extra time because the XP is stored there.

Then I have no clue if any on what having all that stored XP does. Will that create some new unforeseen bug in the future?

The second thing was to send one more in-game E-mail using some key words and advice he gave. Because just maybe I was not that clear last night when talking to in-game support.

But again, as stated above, for the community I have to ask for your help and memories…

Can you think of / remember anything in-game that effects you like these Stones?
If so please tell me so I watch out for them in the future.

And what are your thoughts on the “Hearts of Wood” as a fix for my issue?

[eris2323]

Original Poster states in his message that he did not read the dialog box.

I'm sorry. You might want to read dialog boxes in the future.

But this is not turbines fault. It is yours, for not reading.

[Lithic]

Something else to try OP. Trying doing a couple quests. Tolero mentioned that this use to take away the exp from the stone, maybe it still will. It can;t hurt to try.

[danotmano1998]

I don't think anyone ever dreamed that giving someone else 8 free levels was going to be a BAD thing...

Amazing how something that was supposed to be such an awesomely helpful gift turned into such a fiasco... :rolleyes:

The blame here lies on:

Turbine: because they could have made the pop up clearer, and it sounds like even clicking no can bug out and give the XP regardless.

Person Gifting: Because it's rude, in a way. The only reason why I can think so many people are spamming them is for the silly cosmetic pet.

Person Accepting: Because at the end of things, you *did* click accept, and apparently did not read the message before doing so.


I wouldn't lose hope yet, OP. This issue has spread like wildfire lately. I imagine that they may look into it.. Though I suspect they want as many people as they can get ready to peek at the Forgotten Realms. Because when you do, chances are strong you'll be getting the expansion. Which means more $$ for them.

[Jasparion]

And what are your thoughts on the “Hearts of Wood” as a fix for my issue?

Even if it fixes your immediate problem, it wont change the fact that your account will have been tagged so you wont be able to use the stone in future.

The only real solution is for the stone effects to be removed completely from your account.

[Vyrzain]

Even if it fixes your immediate problem, it wont change the fact that your account will have been tagged so you wont be able to use the stone in future.

The only real solution is for the stone effects to be removed completely from your account.

As stated before... I am willing to NEVER to have access to these silly Stones on any account and am willing to redo my whole Toon if the Company cannot do a simple reset / delete recover to last night.

I just want to be level 11 again so there are no issues with my Group. No future bugs because of having stored XP.

I will try a few Quests though when next our group plays and hope the extra XP is removed as someone stated I should try.

[danotmano1998]

No future bugs because of having stored XP.

It's not uncommon for people to stock up their xp regularly. Speaking from experience, you can stack up a whole lot of extra xp without any negative impacts. (TR train!)

(Unless of course, you are maxed. Then you will lose out on any additional xp. That's the worst that can happen, as far as I know.)

[ferrite]

Harbor bank, lvl 12 sorc. Got up for a cup of tea. Returned to see a nice party request. Or was it?

It wasn't, and now I instantly qualify for 16. I also got a lot of useless garbage pushed into my pack. The nerve!

Clearly this wasn't designed well, nor thought out very well. If any thought went into it at all.

Here's an idea. The guy that gives stones out, should have a new dialogue like "Were you given a stone by mistake?". He will then remove the XP (you must not have leveled or spent pts in any way), take the items back from your pack or trash, and remove the pet from the giver, if one was granted.

Sounds like an easy enough fix to me.

[Loromir]

Stone of Experience and needing the XP removed

Please help with this.

In-Game support told me today… .

Oveik…tells you, 'In-game support is unable to reset, reverse, or move the stone of experience leveling bonus to another character, regardless of the circumstances.'

Who can I talk too? This Stone of Experience thing that you just added today broke my Toon and the fun I have playing with a group. Someone in-game did this me and now I have too much XP over the other people I play with.

I was traveling to the Inn in House K when a box popped up and I thought it was group request. When I hit “Yes” my inventory was over loaded. I did not know what happened. So I went to sell at the bar. I then saw in Chat that another Player was giving these things called “Stone of Experience” to everyone that was near the Inn. I did not see any stone so I destroyed the items since I could not sell them keeping three items that could be useful. I then thanked the person thinking he gave me a gift from a higher level player to a newbie. Maybe he was a GM in-game. I did not know.

That is when I noticed the Leveling Icon. I had 1,200,000 XP!

Again, I do NOT want this XP. I do not care about the “Stone of Experience” or what Toon may or may not have it as I now reading on these Forums. The term “ninja-stoned” is a good word used.

I need to be the same level I was before you added the “Stone of Experience”. We can delete the Toon then reset back a few hours or even a day if need. You can mark may account never to be able to use this “Stone of Experience”. You can copy this Toon to another slot so I can redo from 1st level. But something needs to be done!

This was not something I could read up on like the “Slice of Cake” where I got to pick what Items I wanted or save said cake. This was applied insanity. As stated it overflowed my Inventory without me opening anything.

Bottom-line I need to be what I was before a few hours ago. I will call support tomorrow after work. The Group that I have been playing with for the past 3 months now has less XP then I do and the balance we had is upset.



Did you go through the level up process...if not then I think you are OK. Just take the levels as your friends level up.

[Vyrzain]

Did you go through the level up process...if not then I think you are OK. Just take the levels as your friends level up.

NO... I did not level…. BUT.... as stated...

All I really want is to be 11th level again so for when next our group plays we will be getting the same XP, having a fear of death and the penalties death brings and not having extra Enhancement points. Plus, my fear that if I click again by mistake while at the trainer I level an extra time because the XP is stored there.

Next, I have no clue if any on what having all that stored XP does. Will that create some new unforeseen bug in the future?

Thus far only one person, maybe two, thinks there will be no future issues with all this stored XP. That is other then my fears above.

One person thinks that if I do a few quests then the extra / stored XP may go away. That I will test and hope is true.

Again, as stated above, for the community I have to ask for your help and memories…

Can you think of / remember anything in-game that effects you like these Stones?
If so please tell me so I watch out for them in the future.
Something that permanently effects your Toon with on click?

Next, what are your thoughts on the “Hearts of Wood” as a fix for my issue?

[seenorseems]

When I bought a lesser heart of wood to reincarnate there was a warning in the store about leveling before I used it. I can't find any specific reason but I'm assuming that it's because you would lose the experience gained after your last level up. If that's true using it would mean you'd lose all of the stored experience from the stone and start off at level 11, rank 0.

[Cernunan]

From one of the other threads on this topic


I'd advise against it. We did fix an issue where gaining a little XP after receiving Stone XP caused it to nuke the Stone XP... that shouldn't happen any more BUT I would not trust that it will let you bank XP indefinitely. I can double check with Codeshaper and see what the engineering peeps think about it, but I"m fairly certain it was designed to kick you up all at once.

[Uska]

I don't think anyone ever dreamed that giving someone else 8 free levels was going to be a BAD thing...

Amazing how something that was supposed to be such an awesomely helpful gift turned into such a fiasco... :rolleyes:

The blame here lies on:

Turbine: because they could have made the pop up clearer, and it sounds like even clicking no can bug out and give the XP regardless.

Person Gifting: Because it's rude, in a way. The only reason why I can think so many people are spamming them is for the silly cosmetic pet.

Person Accepting: Because at the end of things, you *did* click accept, and apparently did not read the message before doing so.


I wouldn't lose hope yet, OP. This issue has spread like wildfire lately. I imagine that they may look into it.. Though I suspect they want as many people as they can get ready to peek at the Forgotten Realms. Because when you do, chances are strong you'll be getting the expansion. Which means more $$ for them.

you cant not accept it at least sometimes once your chosen your chosen maybe logging will stop it or maybe it will make it so you can never have one on that server.

[Vyrzain]

When I bought a lesser heart of wood to reincarnate there was a warning in the store about leveling before I used it. I can't find any specific reason but I'm assuming that it's because you would lose the experience gained after your last level up. If that's true using it would mean you'd lose all of the stored experience from the stone and start off at level 11, rank 0.

Nice to hear.. thanks : )

Next, I have yet to read anything from the more experienced / veteran Players if anyone can think of / remember anything in-game that effects you like these Stones?

Something other then these Stones that permanently messes with your Toon after one simple click!

Something that another Player targets you, like a gun, and changes your Toon or removes any planning for these Stones.

If you click a Tome, potion, re-spec, etc…wrong… . you are out what?… the Platinum?... and have to get another? You can even re-do FEATs, alignments, hair, class, etc…. if you screw-up.

But NOT these Stones!

As others are….. I am still waiting for a Fix or some kind of response from the Company.

[Vyrzain]

I am going to assume that like me the Veteran Players on these Boards have never read of or seen anything like the way these Stones permanently mess with your Toon after one simple click!

I am becoming sad that the Company has yet to respond in anyway on this issue.

OR

Did I not see a post somewhere? If so please post a Link to that for me.

[Ragnaroll]

I knew a ninja stoner back in the day.
I used to spar with him when I was doing wing chun and hapkido (Kung fu).
We learned the hard way to not 'level up' on his 'experience booster clickies' before weapons training.

Ah the good 'ol days!

[Vyrzain]

From the Patch notes…

“When using a Stone of Experience on another player you must now be partied with that player or it will have no effect.”

I guess this stops the “ninja-stoning” : (

“speak with Kruz to perform a lesser reincarnation character respec for free, without using a Heart of Wood, one time.”

This may help my issue but then they added…

“/death will no longer work on veteran status boats, guild ships or reincarnation boats.”

I guess that this the Companies way of responding : (