pvp.....rules?

[xizzen]

I'm not big on pvp, go in from time to time & mess around. My question is, what's with people & rules, no holds, no dots. Just happened to me again on my lv14wiz TR, was just messing around getting killed & what not, then I take out a lv 20 archer who kept on ranging, then the tells start. Don't hold, evertime u hold i kill u & everyone in pit blah, blah, blah. The only rule I can get with is don't go around taking out lvs much lower than u are. So just curious, am I breaking the PvP code or something with my holds & dots or u pvpr's just get po'd when a lower level utterly destroys you. :)

[Abbeville]

if i wanted to pvp i'd go play wow

[DrawingGuy]

The only rule in PVP is to not to talk about PVP on the forums. :p

But really just ignore them. If people want to set up special rules or teams, that's what the PVP challenge is for. Taverns are FFA, and they're just QQing that their saves are low, so they can't beat you in PVP where you use your class the way it's meant too. I suggest either A: Just hold him again when he jumps back down to "kill u & everyone in pit" and have him eat his tears. or B: Fight his way by properly letting him hit you to 50% hp, then hitting him back with your staff/club because that's how he thinks PVP "should" be done.

I do have a self-imposed PVP rule though: Don't touch anyone more 2 levels lower than me unless they hit me first. If they kill me, they're fair game afterwards. If I kill them, it's still only if they hit me first.

[Teraz]

just put in chat that the person said he was going to take everyone out by himself and see what happens to him...pvpers love braggers.

[Clay]

I do have a self-imposed PVP rule though: Don't touch anyone more 2 levels lower than me unless they hit me first. If they kill me, they're fair game afterwards. If I kill them, it's still only if they hit me first.That is a good "rule" to follow!

[Missing_Minds]

I don't care for PvP, but there are two rules I follow when I go and do it.

#2. Anything goes. it is PvP.

#1. Have fun.

[BitkaCK2]

The only rule in PVP is to not to talk about PVP on the forums. :p

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^this fo' shure.

Other than that... MONKEY PUNCH FTW!!!111!!!
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070214005819/uncyclopedia/images/f/f9/Monkeypunch.jpg*

*I couldn't find one of Clyde from "Every Which Way but Loose" :(

bitkaCK2

[Cryohazard]

I always chuckle when a freshly trounced pvper sends me a spelling mistake loaded /tell complaining how I used some overpowered effect that's "not cool" or "against the rules". Want me to stop using Kukan-Do, Manyshot, Otto's, or a Lit II weapon? Sorry, I really don't feel like handicapping myself so someone can feel good about beating a sub-par version of me. I'm sure most other players would feel the same way. I'd say use whatever effect you want to. If they don't like it, there's plenty of other pvpers they could pick on.

I don't always PvP, but when I do, I go by:

1) "If its on your/my hotbar, its fair game."
2) "Refer to 1) as necessary"

[Bunker]

#2. Anything goes. it is PvP.


OP: This above is a good rule to follow.

Anyone entering should no better. If you want some ground rules, or a setup for a good match, I suggest they start thier own pvp instance in the private arenas.

Getting ganked in the public and turning around and spouting off rules in /tell just means you should find something else to do. IMO of course.

-Bunk

[Bacab]

Easy rules to remember for PvP...

1. If they use it to beat you...its sploitin'

2. If you use it to beat them...its strategy

3. If they beat you multiple times the same way...its griefing.

4. If you beat them multiple times the same way...they need to learn how to avoid it.



Ultimately, playing PVP in this game especially is like trying to referee a fight between 3rd Graders...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBeM31QV0CI

[Rodomonte]

I'm not big on pvp, go in from time to time & mess around. My question is, what's with people & rules, no holds, no dots. Just happened to me again on my lv14wiz TR, was just messing around getting killed & what not, then I take out a lv 20 archer who kept on ranging, then the tells start. Don't hold, evertime u hold i kill u & everyone in pit blah, blah, blah. The only rule I can get with is don't go around taking out lvs much lower than u are. So just curious, am I breaking the PvP code or something with my holds & dots or u pvpr's just get po'd when a lower level utterly destroys you. :)

Maybe remind the ranger that Freedom of Movement is on his spell list?

[grayham]

Yes, I don't know who sets the 'rules' but they're not clear and visible. I PVP'd once, killed somebody and then started getting lots of "what the heck are you doing" tells. Never again.

[Lleren]

I'm not big on pvp, go in from time to time & mess around. My question is, what's with people & rules, no holds, no dots. Just happened to me again on my lv14wiz TR, was just messing around getting killed & what not, then I take out a lv 20 archer who kept on ranging, then the tells start. Don't hold, evertime u hold i kill u & everyone in pit blah, blah, blah. The only rule I can get with is don't go around taking out lvs much lower than u are. So just curious, am I breaking the PvP code or something with my holds & dots or u pvpr's just get po'd when a lower level utterly destroys you. :)

There are a few ways to get into trouble with the PvP pits.

One is taunting your opponents into the harassment range.
Two is language filter breaking.

Now if I remember correctly, the third way is not killing your opponents. Keeping them "perma" crowd-controlled and not killing them was considered a form of harrasment that has come up before on these forums. Back then though, some of the forms of crowd control lasted much longer.
If DoTs keep damaging folks after they have left the PvP pits, I can see why that would be considered bad form.

Personally, If I'm PvPing, I am playing some other game. One built with it in mind.

[xizzen]

There are a few ways to get into trouble with the PvP pits.

One is taunting your opponents into the harassment range.

ok, I'm guilty of that, but c'mon let me have a little fun.


Two is language filter breaking.

I cuss from time to time.


Now if I remember correctly, the third way is not killing your opponents. Keeping them "perma" crowd-controlled and not killing them was considered a form of harrasment that has come up before on these forums. Back then though, some of the forms of crowd control lasted much longer.

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If DoTs keep damaging folks after they have left the PvP pits, I can see why that would be considered bad form.

If u get dotted stay in the PvP area until they stop or u die


Personally, If I'm PvPing, I am playing some other game. One built with it in mind.

this is the DDO froums.

;)

[xizzen]

there's a PvP forum.................why?

[Bunker]

there's a PvP forum.................why?

for players that wish to discuss pvp, like the thread YOU start. :rolleyes:

[xizzen]

for players that wish to discuss pvp, like the thread YOU start. :rolleyes:

ahh, that makes sense :cool: maybe I'll go post about my lost cat in the PvP forum now :D

[Lleren]

ok, I'm guilty of that, but c'mon let me have a little fun.



I cuss from time to time.



Log out



If u get dotted stay in the PvP area until they stop or u die



this is the DDO froums.

;)

Some folks don't like it when you cuss. Some folks feel reporting you for any "infraction" is fair play, and fun.

Forcing folks to stay in PvP or to stop playing to get away from it, may not be the best move for friendly gm interactions. They don't seem to like it when you cause folks to quit thier game.

This is the DDO forums. DDO still has bad PvP. /shrug

[Yajerman01]

I have only 1 rule for myself - others can do what they want; however on occasion I am a hypocrite in a mild sense.

1. Never attack any level thats 3 levels lower than you (similar to another post), simply because, "whats the point?". My interpretation is that, that person really sucks and HAS to beat up on lower levels to feel good; however like I said, on occasion ill dump on a lower level but its usually because one or more of the following factors:

1. He wont stop harranging me.
2. Its someone I know and im effin with him
3. Its someone I know that I am not fond of and im doing it intentionally to ilicit a prescribed response.
4. if they happen to be in the line of fire on a manyshot where i can slay 5 people lined up. its just too hard to resist.


casters and any other class have every right to use whatever arsenol of destructin they have in my opinion.

[xizzen]

Thank-you and the moral of the story is if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the PvP Area :p

[Delt]

You pvp for one of two reasons:

1) You want to fight people.
2) You want to kill people.

There are certain unwritten rules if you want to do #1, regardless of what certain people (some of who I *know* have zero interest in pvp) said in this thread. Certain tactics and abilities are inherently cheap and/or simply not fun to take the time to counter.

Now, I am not saying wanting to do #2 is wrong...in fact, if that's your thing, chances are you want to **** other people off anyway - so enjoy raging out people there for #1. But understand there is a difference between fighting & killing.

And some people will cry no matter what you do. /shrug

[xizzen]

one other thing, take the ioun stone off if ur so great, otherwise stop crying when u get lv drained to death.

[protokon]

Easy rules to remember for PvP...

1. If they use it to beat you...its sploitin'

2. If you use it to beat them...its strategy

3. If they beat you multiple times the same way...its griefing.

4. If you beat them multiple times the same way...they need to learn how to avoid it.



Ultimately, playing PVP in this game especially is like trying to referee a fight between 3rd Graders...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBeM31QV0CI

sadly, this is actually very accurate.

I've started playing other games when I feel like killing people instead of slaying monsters. it just doesnt work in ddo.

[Uska]

The only rule about holds in pvp is don't hold them and not kill them just hold the idiot and kill him

[Chai]

Make powerbuild with the most burst DPS and high DCs, covering up every weakness possible with gear.

[insert meme pic here, dawson crying or fat acne guy will suffice]

Complain furiously in general chat that anything used to beat you is a cheap tactic that needs to be nerfed.

[Yajerman01]

ive tred my main and not at cap anymore but what i see alot lately is when you beat someone higher level than yourself then they hack at anything you do and lable you as a "noob". and that the gear you use is "noob gear". i dont get it, really? lol at all the newb pvpers

[Chai]

ive tred my main and not at cap anymore but what i see alot lately is when you beat someone higher level than yourself then they hack at anything you do and lable you as a "noob". and that the gear you use is "noob gear". i dont get it, really? lol at all the newb pvpers

Ive also noticed the "lower level" people acting like it even matters that they are lower level. They are usually on a power class which is more powerful in PVP at level 15 than the player they handedly beat is on their 20. Failed will save is a failed will save.

[Melcena]

The only rule in PVP is to not to talk about PVP on the forums. :p

But really just ignore them. If people want to set up special rules or teams, that's what the PVP challenge is for. Taverns are FFA, and they're just QQing that their saves are low, so they can't beat you in PVP where you use your class the way it's meant too. I suggest either A: Just hold him again when he jumps back down to "kill u & everyone in pit" and have him eat his tears. or B: Fight his way by properly letting him hit you to 50% hp, then hitting him back with your staff/club because that's how he thinks PVP "should" be done.

I do have a self-imposed PVP rule though: Don't touch anyone more 2 levels lower than me unless they hit me first. If they kill me, they're fair game afterwards. If I kill them, it's still only if they hit me first.

As a casual hanger on at the lobster, I admit that I follow that same 2 above, 2 below rule, with attack exceptions.

The problem however, that is being described however, is superficial. Hold, no one really likes over paralyzing, because they cannot fight back while in the spell, and it can last for much longer than most other spells. People have long been complaining about it because there are people that like to show up in the pits and, using only hold mass and a few other little things, can complete shut down the pit and hold 10+ people there for as much as 10 minutes, just constantly keeping them held and not allowing them to reach the ladders. Its why people also have extensive prejudices against bards in pvp.

DoTs, however, are a difference monster. Im sure everyone understands the term "sniping" in relation to pvp, but for those who don't, ill explain. Your standing on the ledge, and you want to kill this guy down below. You hop down, drop a dot, and climb back up real fast, leaving the guy high and dry with no way to kill you, all the while a dot just knocks him out and there is no real way for him to get even because the person will continue to do the same thing. That is the real source of the dot problem. On the side, people who run to the ladder and make it up under a dot still wind up dead on the ledge, even though its a technical safe spot. These are the problems really that i know of concerning dots.

[xizzen]

using only hold mass and a few other little things, can complete shut down the pit and hold 10+ people there for as much as 10 minutes, just constantly keeping them held and not allowing them to reach the ladders.

Never experienced this, that would suck.


DoTs, however, are a difference monster. Im sure everyone understands the term "sniping" in relation to pvp, but for those who don't, ill explain. Your standing on the ledge, and you want to kill this guy down below. You hop down, drop a dot, and climb back up real fast, leaving the guy high and dry with no way to kill you

Yes, using DoTs in this way is't cool, I was not refering to using DoTs in this way. Also, can't we say that the use of ioun stones by casters in PvP is another form of "sniping".

[Chai]

As a casual hanger on at the lobster, I admit that I follow that same 2 above, 2 below rule, with attack exceptions.

The problem however, that is being described however, is superficial. Hold, no one really likes over paralyzing, because they cannot fight back while in the spell, and it can last for much longer than most other spells. People have long been complaining about it because there are people that like to show up in the pits and, using only hold mass and a few other little things, can complete shut down the pit and hold 10+ people there for as much as 10 minutes, just constantly keeping them held and not allowing them to reach the ladders. Its why people also have extensive prejudices against bards in pvp.

This is against the rules. There was a time when people would flesh-to-stone people in the pit, then curse them and land other debuffs that reduce saves, then leave them there. The staff members dont allow this kind of stuff, and it is reportable. A player may use hold and other immobilizing effects, but they need to kill the held toon shortly.


DoTs, however, are a difference monster. Im sure everyone understands the term "sniping" in relation to pvp, but for those who don't, ill explain. Your standing on the ledge, and you want to kill this guy down below. You hop down, drop a dot, and climb back up real fast, leaving the guy high and dry with no way to kill you, all the while a dot just knocks him out and there is no real way for him to get even because the person will continue to do the same thing. That is the real source of the dot problem. On the side, people who run to the ladder and make it up under a dot still wind up dead on the ledge, even though its a technical safe spot. These are the problems really that i know of concerning dots.

This supports the pit being a different non-public instance, with a much higher platform that someone cant just get back on top of. That way there is no line someone can cross that makes them immune to retaliation. In order to leave the instance while still alive, an ability similar to the recall mechanic needs to be used, which cannot be used while "in combat".

[Mastikator]

As a semi-frequent lobster-dweller I have developed a few self imposed rules, mostly stuff that makes the fight between two feel less arbitrary and more fun.
1) It's always ok to break the rules to kill someone who breaks the rules, the rules only make it more fun if it's mutual.
2) Don't fight someone who's busy fighting someone else.
3) Ledge dropping with dots, imbued slaying many shot, trip, stun, is not ok.
4) Don't kill someone who has virtually no chance of defeating you.

[Adrian-Korvedzk]

I have a simple rule for PvP, especially in the Lobster on Argonessan.

1) In the pit? Fair game.

Level 1-20. Same rules apply to all. Willing to risk it all? Jump in. I'll hop in on my L20 Dark Monk Master Earth, or my freshly rolled L4 Halfling thrower build. What do I do when I inevitably die? Hop up on the ledge and respawn, heal up, and hop back in. I expect to kill and be killed while I'm down there. It's PvP. It's for doing something other than killing Kobolds in WW.

[MsEricka]

PvP has one rule, no griefing.

Griefing has specifically been defined by moderators. It's defined as immobilizing someone and NOT killing them.

Examples
hold person/monster and run away
Fascinate and run away

Otherwise anything goes.

[Orratti]

Easy rules to remember for PvP...

1. If they use it to beat you...its sploitin'

2. If you use it to beat them...its strategy

3. If they beat you multiple times the same way...its griefing.

4. If you beat them multiple times the same way...they need to learn how to avoid it.



Ultimately, playing PVP in this game especially is like trying to referee a fight between 3rd Graders...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBeM31QV0CI

This sums it up properly

[goodspeed]

lol pvp is the very definition of griefing. Anyone who says otherwise is full of something that comes out of a horse type animal.

The only downfall of that pit is they don't res inside so you can kill them hundreds of times until they quit the game.

[Lleren]

lol pvp is the very definition of griefing. Anyone who says otherwise is full of something that comes out of a horse type animal.

The only downfall of that pit is they don't res inside so you can kill them hundreds of times until they quit the game.

In most games that feature PvP now, it tends to be pretty much consensual. It is not like there is only a few MMO's out there. In most of the ones I have played you have to go to a special area even that is seperated from the regular PvE play space.

[Grayda]

i killed this capped half orc barb fighter 18/2 and i thought it was cool as i am only a dwarf and he paid extra money for his race, well i killed him and then he starts the barrage of nasty tells calling me a noob and insisting i wont do it again, so i went down and kicked the **** outta him again (he couldn't even get me to 500 hp) and i get 15 more tells from him calling me a noob, asking how i enjoyed my ban, and stuff like that and i just replied to him that the ban gave me time to reevaluate my life and that i suggest he does the same and i put him amongst my "wall of shame" in my bio filled with people i have killed in pvp that sent me nasty tells afterward. if they get butthurt over a game i embarrass the hell outta them. i don't pvp to come off as some sort of "bad a$$" like some people do, but you will go in my bio if you act like a child about losing.

[Missing_Minds]

And some people will cry no matter what you do. /shrug
So... the forums are a PvP arena?

[Forzah]

PvP has one rule, no griefing.

Griefing has specifically been defined by moderators. It's defined as immobilizing someone and NOT killing them.

Examples
hold person/monster and run away
Fascinate and run away

Otherwise anything goes.

I've grieved some lowbies by staying on the top of the ladder. Their jump wasn't high enough, nor was their damage, so there was no way out of the arena for them but to die :p. I admit it was pretty evil, but it made my day :D.

[xizzen]

LOLZ, i don't get it. I (lv9) in pit going to ladder, get frost lanced in the back by a Necro (lv13), who i did not do anything to (at least at the time of this event). Cool. I jump down & one shot said Necro with searing light. Then right on scheduled it starts /tell sent & I quote 'hit me with light 1moretime'. My response 'ok'. Mr. Necro continues 'if u do ill kill u'. My response 'ok'. So as promise I go ahead & one shot Mr. Necro. Mr. Necro then logs & returns as Mrs. FVS (lv20). I jump down & cast my unbelievably powerful, ultra destructor, uber light on her to no effect due to PLIS, in return I get fricasseed (just looked that up) by said fvs, who in turn sends /tell (after the fact) & I quote 'hit me with light(sic) now' to which I retort 'I just did' to which Mrs. FVS responds 'keep going loser'. LOLZ i don't get it but I like PVP. :D

[Lleren]

So... the forums are a PvP arena?

Yes :)

[Lemdog]

I love pvp. I made a few rules for myself

1 Attack any1 you please

2 kill the person u start attacking unless 7 levels higher or more

3 don't be a level 6 and attacking tr level 20s

[Delssar]

Rule for myself

Dont attack lowbies


and thats my only rule


There was one sorc, who I reported and nothing ever came of it who instant killed me 30+ times in the lobster, so I moved to the house J pit because my nephew wanted to fight me and he followed us there, and to the house D pit as well.

Mods never did nothing


So now with Epic Destinies, I wait to see if a sorc is 1 shotting random people and then hit him with an everything is nothing lol

[Mastikator]

You can create your own instance with the "challenge player" option if you want your exclusive combat area.
You can even have stuff like capture the flag or death match with kill count and death count.

[Trillea]

Rule 1 - don't PvP. If rule 1 must be broken, see rule 2
Rule 2 - don't die. Anything else is fair because if they can't handle it, see rule 1.

[redspecter23]

If I'm ever in the pvp pit (and that's very rarely) I use the limitations Turbine has given me and not a bunch of rules made up in an attempt to "balance" pvp in some way or make it more fun. If I want to dispel, I will. If I want to dot, I will. If people want to hate me for that... well I've been hated on for worse before.

[porq]

The only enforced rule is no griefing. If you grief, you get a visit from a GM or a vacation for a little while.

That usually means no fascinate locking, or hold locking, or any other way to immobilize a person for long periods with the intent of not killing them.

Other than this, there are no other rules. Players usually make up guidelines or suggestions for conducting yourself down there, but those aren't rules. There are no consequences if you choose to not follow them other than maybe some angry /tells.

[Uma-Quixote]

I only have 1 rule in PvP

Kill me if you ever see me doing it.......

(ah, this might have a flaw)

[ZeebaNeighba]

There are no official pvp rules except that you can't simply keep someone helpless for a long time without allowing them to exit the arena if they want.

And that's how I pvp. Because anyone who doesn't like it can go up the ladder, release, and leave the bar.

[licho]

The 1st rule of PvP is to never talk about pvp.

[Karavek]

Bad enough so many fun spells are not allowed. if I had it my way grease and ice storm and glitter dust all day long when im bored. Still I recall fun blinding then slowly lvl draining a tough talking 20 ranger one day. He also learned the hard way is holy of disruption bow isnt as effective if I choose to be in normal form. Wizards adapt, its what we do best.

[JasonJi72]

I only pvp on extremely rare occasions, usually when my guildies are all doing it for fun or something like that.

Here are my rules:

1. If you do not kill me quickly, you will die.
2. If you do not immobilize me, you will die.
3. If you are beating up a lowbie, I will try to kill you quickly.
4. If you kill me, you are my #1 target.
5. It is fun to clear the arena on an AA Moncher, but you better get out quick, because reinforcements will be called in who know how to defeat you.
6. Have fun!

I guess I should add one more rule: Don't mess with the level 25's unless you have epic destinies of your own. :)

[Raist1280]

Easy rules to remember for PvP...

1. If they use it to beat you...its sploitin'

2. If you use it to beat them...its strategy

3. If they beat you multiple times the same way...its griefing.

4. If you beat them multiple times the same way...they need to learn how to avoid it.



Ultimately, playing PVP in this game especially is like trying to referee a fight between 3rd Graders...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBeM31QV0CI

+1. PvP in DDO is EXACTLY this...