Better Healbot - More Cleric than Clonk

[painkiller3]

any thoughts on a 19 cleric/1 monk build. the idea being that you get all the benefits of being a cleric (except the capstone) but with same DCs (because of water stance), higher saves (water stance) and stunning fist to be able to stun things in epic. i would have to fine tune it but what about the concept? unless you build for reflex, evasion doesn't proc enough to be worthwhile, and i have no problem running around in pyjamas in level 20...thoughts? with ship buffs, g/s item, +2 wis on shav ring, archmagi and +1 wis from bracers this puts me at 42 wis, and high 2200s for SP which is decent for a cleric as is...


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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(1 Monk \ 19 Cleric)
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 1677
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 8
Will: 27

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 10 12
Dexterity 8 10
Constitution 16 19
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 18 29
Charisma 12 16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7


Notable Equipment
Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Goggles of Existential Stalemate
Draconic Ring (w +2 wis)
Eerie Belt
Epic Jidz Tet-ka

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III

[Phidius]

Stunning Fist requires more than a high wisdom - you need to be able to hit them in the first place, and you need to be able to build up enough Ki to use it. I'd use your monk feat for Toughness, unless you want to work on getting your to-hit and ki generation higher.

If you really want to focus on casting instead of melee, you would do better with taking some Spell Focus feats instead of the 2 Mental Toughness, and Greater Spell Penetration wouldn't be amiss either. Empower is also tempting - it's free on your Radiant Bursts, and goes great with Blade Barrier and Divine Punishment.

It's not as hard to get a useful Reflex save on a dex-dumped cleric as you might think.

[Lalangamena]

mental toughness and improved mental toughness are considered useless feats.

if you're already capping wisdom, get heighten spell and spell penetration and do some good CC+instakills.

[AtomicMew]

Evasion is definitely worthwhile. You don't need to "build for it" to get acceptable reflex saves. You should definitely take the 2nd monk level. You lose very little and gain a whole lot.

[Mubjon]

I second the advise on evasion. Even with an 8 dex you can still get your reflex save to 18 base (+10 reflex save item), +4 from greater heroism +3 (I think might be 5) from nightshield. For a 25 reflex save which will result in you seeing a lot of evades for 0 damage. And there is more I think that will stack with that to get you closer to 30.

My 14 reflex base on my arcane archer cleric is enough for me to see lots of evade text in quests at level on elite content.

[Impaqt]

With a base str of 10,a and no TWF, Stunning fist is pointless.

If you are going to bother splashing monk, then splash monk.

the -1 spellpenn additional is trivial. You are not building for spell Penn anyway. (1 feat and no Enh?)

second monk gives you an additional feat as well....

there's no need to reinvent the wheel here. there are quite a few 18/2 builds around here that work very well.

[painkiller3]

lots of feedback that's good.

i'm trying to improve on the cleric not the clonk, i've ran a 17/3 to cap and ran LOB, eChrono, eDQ, solo healed Shroud (which wasn't as hard as i had thought it would be) et al

firstly, this is an endgame build. i have no doubts that evasion has its value from 1-19 but on epics, with my current equipment, it doesn't proc very much. it's possible i may need to increase the strength...i hit enough on epic currently, and i build up ki with epic frozen tunic which has +1 ki. i do okay for ki

the main idea was more SP over a 17/3. mental toughness and improved mental toughness may seem to be "wastes" but 1900 SP to run LOB or epic Demon Queen is insanity.

not trying to reinvent the wheel, trying to make a new clericy wheel and take the added wis and saves of clonk

Thanks for the feedback!

[Impaqt]

lots of feedback that's good.

i'm trying to improve on the cleric not the clonk, i've ran a 17/3 to cap and ran LOB, eChrono, eDQ, solo healed Shroud (which wasn't as hard as i had thought it would be) et al

firstly, this is an endgame build. i have no doubts that evasion has its value from 1-19 but on epics, with my current equipment, it doesn't proc very much. it's possible i may need to increase the strength...i hit enough on epic currently, and i build up ki with epic frozen tunic which has +1 ki. i do okay for ki

the main idea was more SP over a 17/3. mental toughness and improved mental toughness may seem to be "wastes" but 1900 SP to run LOB or epic Demon Queen is insanity.

not trying to reinvent the wheel, trying to make a new clericy wheel and take the added wis and saves of clonk

Thanks for the feedback!

My 18/2 with very little investment in my reflex makes his saves consistently in Epic DQ.

however, what you are talking about is your ability to play your character effectively. NOT a build concept. I'm sorry, but most folks are NOT going to be able to get to hit high enough to do ANYTHING with stuffing fist in this build. If you can. thats a testament to your ability to grind and play effectively.

[painkiller3]

My 18/2 with very little investment in my reflex makes his saves consistently in Epic DQ.

however, what you are talking about is your ability to play your character effectively. NOT a build concept. I'm sorry, but most folks are NOT going to be able to get to hit high enough to do ANYTHING with stuffing fist in this build. If you can. thats a testament to your ability to grind and play effectively.

fair enough...what is high enough to hit with stunning fist? i'm not married to this idea, if it won't work it won't work...i just found myself with not enough SP enough times on the 17/3 so i was looking for an improvement. could you hit with stunning fist on a properly built 18/2?

[Impaqt]

fair enough...what is high enough to hit with stunning fist? i'm not married to this idea, if it won't work it won't work...i just found myself with not enough SP enough times on the 17/3 so i was looking for an improvement. could you hit with stunning fist on a properly built 18/2?

In Epics? +50 first swing will get you a reasonable chance to hit most trash mobs. maybe a little less if you have folks taking advantage of things like desruction and Sunder.