Is dragontouched useless?

[Vellrad]

Is dragontouched armor completely useless, or just all players in game already got it?
Tried to get one, resinged after 2 hours of waiting on anyone in LFM.

[RandomKeypress]

It's very useful, although a little of the shine has gone. The problem is that the flagging mechanism for each run is a nuisance and the final fight is tough, so many people just don't run that quest any more then they have to.

[WruntJunior]

Is dragontouched armor completely useless, or just all players in game already got it?
Tried to get one, resinged after 2 hours of waiting on anyone in LFM.

It's incredibly useful...and so annoying to get that once someone has it, they'll not want to run the main quests for it anymore (Prey/SoS...too many runs of each).

[krackythehoodedone]

Really depends if you are a TR merchant or want to stay at cap for the long haul ?

DT is outshone by Epic Armours but you have to get them and you have to be 20th

If ur Tr'ing a lot that Armour is great for 16 thru to endgame

[Vellrad]

So, I got the following options:
-ignore it until level 20,
-destroy streak
-ignore it completely
-sit 6 hours until someone (hopefully) joins?

Is there any way to farm armor with other character?

[Bolo_Grubb]

depends on the build. Great for slot consolidation. I have at least 4 capped toons that still wear DT armor and will likely always wear it. A couple of my other capped toons wear epic armor of some type.

[Jaid314]

you can easily avoid losing your streak (though you won't get the benefits from running that particular quest) and still farm the quest. all you need is for *one* person in the group to be level 20. it does not have to be you, and while it will not count bravery bonus for that quest, it also will not break your streak. also, at least one of the pre-quests is standard leveling-up material (monastery of the scorpion) and another is a fast run which you can actually even hit on casual and still be guaranteed a rune in the end chest. enter the kobold is the one you'll have a hard time finding a group for flagging, although at the same time so many people wind up waiting for a group on this one it sometimes can fill very quickly.

finally, stealer of souls i find to be a rare quest to see in the LFM. but not unheard of. keep an eye out, or post one yourself. but i think most people would rather farm prey 3 times and crunch the runes than farm stealer of souls for sovereign runes, which is likely a part of why you see so few for the quest. especially if you've got it up for at-level.

[Matuse]

-destroy streak

This is your problem. Caring about the streak. Just let it go.

[Uska]

Willing to help you sometime but this weekend not good working on my Term paper on Phytormediation

[Cormath]

As others said, it is more about having options on where where to slot effects.

I still like Dragontouched for the healing amp options. A 10/20% on armor verse a 10/20/30% on a greensteel weapon seems a good canidate to preserve dps. Espically if you are running a two-handed weapon.

Eaxmple - my stacking healing amp build, I am looking Half Elf for Human Imp Recovery 20% (racial) + Monk Dilettante 20% (class) + Dragontouched 20% (item). The tradeoff is that by dropping the 30% Greensteel weapon for the 20% Dragontouched armor, I can keep dps for a marginal healing amp loss. Math located at DDOwiki Healing Amp (http://ddowiki.com/page/Healing_Amplification).

[phillymiket]

I'm finding myself wearing DT less and less.

Reason is that most of the stuff on DT is available from other sources while some other armor options provide unique things.

Dragontouched does provide some nice guards which, too me, are the main benefits.
+1 exceptional stat, if you don't have another source and it brings you to even, are also useful.

Level 20 Epic stuff, if you have, is better of course then DT.

Level 16-19 I seem to be choosing the level 16 Cavalry Plate for non-evasion melee.
Resist and GFL probably what I'd choose for DT so it's a guard -vs- (DR/3 chaos, Demonic Shield, Mitheral)

For Evasion melee Ive been using the Parasitic Breastplate because the +10 reflex save upgrade.
For Arcane I've been using Infused Chaos robe/docent because the +1 spell level for evocation spells and Arcane Lore upgrade.
Those provide unique and powerful qualities that out-way, to me, having to put those common DT properties on other slots and missing out on a great guard effect.
For True Neutral toons, Cannith Crafted Superior Stability/Life Shield is very attractive.

Also, I'm sick of the long TR prep. Not having to get a new set of DT for a new class cuts that down a bit.

Besides, I'd farm that before I TRed probably and I'd do that with endless monastary, prey runs on casual.

Therefore, I'm unlikely to run these a lot.

I guess the good news is that they are level 17 flagging quests which means that you can can run it right up to XP cap and still keep your streak going. Just keep your eyes open for any of the flagging quests and join when you see them, even if you have run that particular one, because most likely one/many/all of the people would run other flags and SoS to get it over and done with. After doing SoS put up a LFM that says, "Prey farm, IP. BYOH". It will get the one other person you'd need (If that) to casual farm your DT.

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[Sarisa]

Nice for healing amp builds, and for those who need specific consolidation options.

Once you have epic/raid gear that can provide what you get out of it, it's no longer AS useful at cap, but still nice during a TR.

That said, none of my character use DT because I play primarily casters, and use crafted stuff at low levels, and Elvencraft or Blue Scale in the mid levels. If I were planning on doing a multiple TR run on a melee, or especially on a monk, I would strongly consider DT.

[Cernunan]

If I were planning on doing a multiple TR run on a melee, or especially on a monk, I would strongly consider DT.
That was true for me until until the challenge frozen tunic was released. Enhanced ki , ac 7 and freezing guard strike at 14 are excellent for the armor slot. At epic with the additional 2 slots it becomes even better.

[daniel7]

DT is still good. I swap between 10%amp/20%amp/earth grab and 10%amp/20%amp/freezing guard. When my main gets back to level range I'll run them each 3 times for XP and maybe more because I want a radiance guard rune. I like the quests and the types of toons I create can do well in them. Running them at level 16 on normal isn't that hard but expect some deaths if you try elite at that level.

[Spoonwelder]

As others have said - Elite SOS is a supreme PITA and really requires fairly uberishness - so most people are gonna look at that LFM and feel sorry for you for sitting there for 2 hours (I hope you got alot of slayers done waiting).

Drop the streak issue by letting a L20 in the party - hell even just pop your panther if you need to then dismiss it. I have also found that if you have the stuff to do it - solo most of the quest while the LFM is up - then update it once you are about to go into Air ....don't finish Air until you have your group in though. This way people can join just for the end fight.

An all blue bar fight makes this quest simple since you can spread out and his chain lightning never hit more than one of you and you can ignore all mephits but the healing ones (fire). If you are melee heavy then make sure you have a good healer and remind everyone that Sorjek is a lich - ie. DR is bludgeon so put your slashing stuff away. A good group can kill him before the mephits even spawn.

[Vellrad]

As others have said - Elite SOS is a supreme PITA and really requires fairly uberishness - so most people are gonna look at that LFM and feel sorry for you for sitting there for 2 hours (I hope you got alot of slayers done waiting).

Drop the streak issue by letting a L20 in the party - hell even just pop your panther if you need to then dismiss it. I have also found that if you have the stuff to do it - solo most of the quest while the LFM is up - then update it once you are about to go into Air ....don't finish Air until you have your group in though. This way people can join just for the end fight.

An all blue bar fight makes this quest simple since you can spread out and his chain lightning never hit more than one of you and you can ignore all mephits but the healing ones (fire). If you are melee heavy then make sure you have a good healer and remind everyone that Sorjek is a lich - ie. DR is bludgeon so put your slashing stuff away. A good group can kill him before the mephits even spawn.

I will worry about sos when (or if) I manage to get through flagging quets.
And I would gladly do casual with lvl20 in team to keep my streak, but somehow, none wants to do any of those quests.

[Monkey-Boy]

DT's issue is it's too much work to craft for something that you will not use in end-game. There are simply better choices that are significantly less work.

It's not worth the effort to grind out any more.

[Vellrad]

DT's issue is it's too much work to craft for something that you will not use in end-game. There are simply better choices that are significantly less work.

It's not worth the effort to grind out any more.

So which armors can be gotten easily by an alt or quite weakly equipped character?
(for warchanter/kenasi)
And which items can grant easy healing amplification?

[Monkey-Boy]

So which armors can be gotten easily by an alt or quite weakly equipped character?
(for warchanter/kenasi)
And which items can grant easy healing amplification?


The challenges stuff, the Crystal Cove stuff that's BTC. The House D Epic armor is useful and those quests aren't hard.

Levi'ks bracers and ANY TOD ring can be used for healing amplification

It's just that with DT . . . can you name a single build that'll be "buried" in DT armor? Is it going to be on any toon's bucket list?

No, it's not. It's as much effort to grind out a decent set as it is to get "real" endgame gear. This is why so few bother these days.

[DarkRea]

you can easily avoid losing your streak (though you won't get the benefits from running that particular quest) and still farm the quest. all you need is for *one* person in the group to be level 20. it does not have to be you, and while it will not count bravery bonus for that quest, it also will not break your streak. also, at least one of the pre-quests is standard leveling-up material (monastery of the scorpion) and another is a fast run which you can actually even hit on casual and still be guaranteed a rune in the end chest. enter the kobold is the one you'll have a hard time finding a group for flagging, although at the same time so many people wind up waiting for a group on this one it sometimes can fill very quickly.


Very good info for ppl new to RR and good "same as with Shroud normal during TR"-pointe too.

Though I would say Kobold groups on normal are easy to find isch. Just make sure a lvl20 is in, if streaking.

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SoS is easy on normal with a lvl20 speeding stuff up for ya, if ya cant yourself with a hireling if needed. Only part3 can give you real trouble, sometimes part2 if FoM not available but Rock boots or the ole Pop boots can help too.

Remember about SoS: If you only want access to the armor and can wait with perfect Sov runes, then do SoS normal/elite(traps in 2 hurt and q takes forever cause of mob hp) but dont do Sorjek, or dont throw massive pots amounts after him, as elite can easily become pot hell if mephits mass spawn and not enough caster umph. As Jaid said running Prey 3 times fast will get you a rune too.

[Matuse]

So which armors can be gotten easily by an alt or quite weakly equipped character?

Cove armor (coming this month), Elocator's Habiliment, House C challenge armor, Cannith crafted Lifeshield of X (deathblock, spearblock, greater fire resistance, whatever).


And which items can grant easy healing amplification?

Besides DT, you can get Healing amp from:

Levik's Bracers (20%)
Greensteel Weapons (10-20-30, depending on tier)
Epic Gloves of the Claw (30%)
Any ToD ring (20%)

Then the oddball healing amp, Fleshmaker, which stacks with other versions of Amp, that's available on the Finger Necklace, and the Fleshshaper's Brigandine.

[grayham]

With not much effort, and little luck you can get a flesh-shapers brigandine from the reign of madness chain and slot it with something useful like displacement proc or reflex+10. This armour will be better than most DT combinations, and the better DT will require far far far too many runs of SoS.

IMHO.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

DT armor is quite good actually.... just not for AC. :(

I do not know why reaver's reach LFMs are hard to fill.

Reaver's reach has always felt like a ghost town to me. Ot of way.. difficult to get to and from...

only a hand full of quests out there.

Bravery Bonus might have something to do with it.
The quests are difficult at hard and elite.

and, yes. A lot people do already have the armor.

but... there are other armor options (named) that seem to satisfy people.
and Epic items can get most of the stuff that DT has.

[Nyvn]

Ot of way.. difficult to get to and from...

And getting the property you want on the armor is a PITA. Alot of older gamers have burned out on the quests.

[WruntJunior]

Dragontouched is extremely good (for example, my 10% healing amp/20% healing amp/destruction armor is awesome, and my similar armor with tharnes instead of destruction will also be nice when it's done). As has been said, the real issue is getting a group. Just put up the lfm for level 20s for normal SoS, and you should really be fine, though. May have to be careful to put up the lfm during prime time, but that should be the only consideration necessary.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Also...

My main wear it. Currently I have the runes I want, until I get some more epic gear anyway, then I might want to redo my DT.

My Wizard wears either Blue Dragon Scale or the Mabar event robe. DT has nothing to offer that I would want to wear it instead of those robes.

My Monk is very happy with his Icy Rainment. Maybe if I found the right runes I would wear my DT, but I'm lvl 20 and have other priorities.

The Madness chain armors seem to work well for many of my characters.

I am willing to run Reaver's reach. But do not feel like grinding them. (or waiting long for an LFM to fill)


I would actually like to run SoS more often, but the flagging method makes that difficult. :(

[Anthios888]

Dragontouched is still unbeatable in the right situations:

X / X / Smiting (100 damage on 20, average 5 damage per swing)
X / X / Destruction (-4 AC and -4% fortification on hit)

I strive to carry a robe with each of this on all of my melee characters, because you can help your party out a lot as well as increase your DPS. In the right quests, I'll switch off Red Dragon armor, Epic Marilith Chain, whatever because these can be better. And if you can't get those top DPS epic armors, you can give a lot of help to your party by carrying Destruction.

Just a note that they do not apply to unarmed combat.