First Attempt at melee FVS, please advise :)

[blkcat1028]

Like the title says, it's my first attempt at this sort of build and I need some advice.

The main focus of the build is the ability to survive (I used Sirgog's Soul Survivor as a template), kill stuff, and be, if necessary, a primary healer.

I have never played a caster and I hope this can be a bridge from playing melee builds to playing a pure caster Fvs or Cleric.

Below is the 32 point version;


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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 356
Spell Points: 1671
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 14
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 15 18
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 14 16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3.5 11
Bluff 2 3
Concentration 2 22
Diplomacy 2 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 3
Heal -1 0
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 2 3
Jump 4 9
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 0
Spot -1 0
Swim 3 7
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Sorcerer
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Undying Court
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (1): Divine Favor


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Spell (2): Aid
Spell (3): Protection From Energy


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (4): Death Ward
Spell (3): Searing Light


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (5): Divine Punishment


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (5): Protection From Elements


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Spell (6): Heal


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (5): Raise Dead


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (7): Resurrection


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Spell (5): True Seeing
Spell (7): Mass Protection From Elements
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Spell (7): Greater Restoration
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (9): Mass Heal




The Sorc Dilly is for the extra buffs and such form wand/ scroll use. I've debated on Barb for the extra Hp, Rogue for the 3d6 sneak damage, and Pally for the saves. So far the utility of the Sorc has won out in my mind.

I plan on changing from Undying Court to Sovereign Host after I get raise dead.

The khopesh proficiency is in there mainly as a place holder for the 34 point version. I plan to TR a fighter into this build and he dual wields Lit II 'peshes. I'd hate to not use them :)

With the 34 pointer, the extra build points would go into INT and the extra skill points into Balance and jump.

Please critique the feat and spell selections in particular. I am a novice with caster builds.

Thanks for any advice.

R

[DemonMage]

I plan on changing from Undying Court to Sovereign Host after I get raise dead.


You can't change your deity as a Favored Soul. It's tied to your deity feat that you select at level 1, which you can't swap out due to circular requirements.

[blkcat1028]

You can't change your deity as a Favored Soul. It's tied to your deity feat that you select at level 1, which you can't swap out due to circular requirements.

I did not know that. Thanks.

[t0r012]

I personally would drop kopesh to pick up GTWF and stick with Scimmies.

[blkcat1028]

I personally would drop kopesh to pick up GTWF and stick with Scimmies.

GTWF is the chosen feat at level 18.

[teh_meh]

Been a while since I played and know little about Helves (just don't like 'em) but the eSOS-wielding WF is very strong. Grab a fear immunity item, dump CHA and WIS, pump STR and CON and smash everything.

Not saying it's the current optimal build but definitely worth punching into the planner before you start making choices you can't reverse.

gl;hf

[Esserbe]

I have an 18/2 FVS/Monk Elf with scimitars that I greatly enjoy playing, the evasion from the monk levels is nice due to FVS saves, but it's in addition to the two feats. An 18/2 Fighter human using khopeshes would play very much like your TWF khopesh fighter without evasion, and would fit khopesh feat easily as well as power attack, which is missing on your build sheet. I have it on my Elf, and I can't really imagine doing without it. Human with khopeshes, I'd say.

[t0r012]

GTWF is the chosen feat at level 18.

indeed it does. missed that on the first pass, sorry.
I'd still consider dropping kopesh for scimmies. Throw in power attack with div powa, FvS bonuses and div fav hitting shouldn't be a major issue and while kopeshes are king for most I doubt that they make up for the 5 dmg you lose to PA and even more with faith bonuses.

So I'd go human and grab peshes or stick 1/2elf and go scimmies.

I'd go scimmies to get faith bonuses for hit and dmg and to have sorc dilly scroll ability.

though that is me and if ya want peshes , then go peshes.

[blkcat1028]

indeed it does. missed that on the first pass, sorry.
I'd still consider dropping kopesh for scimmies. Throw in power attack with div powa, FvS bonuses and div fav hitting shouldn't be a major issue and while kopeshes are king for most I doubt that they make up for the 5 dmg you lose to PA and even more with faith bonuses.

So I'd go human and grab peshes or stick 1/2elf and go scimmies.

I'd go scimmies to get faith bonuses for hit and dmg and to have sorc dilly scroll ability.

though that is me and if ya want peshes , then go peshes.

I like the way you think :)

Thanks.

[hecate355]

uhm, max str, 16 or higher con, medicore wis, very low cha, dex(for what, luls?), wil(something, whos going to save your mighty sword anyway).

and.... BE a warforged. It takes like zero effort to be decent melee as wf fvs.

[blkcat1028]

uhm, max str, 16 or higher con, medicore wis, very low cha, dex(for what, luls?), wil(something, whos going to save your mighty sword anyway).

and.... BE a warforged. It takes like zero effort to be decent melee as wf fvs.

The DEX is for TWF. As I stated in the op, I'm thinking of TRing a fighter that dual wields khopesh. I like TWF.

Ya know how some people don't like the half-elf? I don't like warforged. I know they're awesome and all, but I don't enjoy playing them.

I also realize it takes zero effort to build a decent wf fvs, that's why they're so common. I prefer to come up with alternatives to what everyone else is doing.

Thanks

[hecate355]

The DEX is for TWF. As I stated in the op, I'm thinking of TRing a fighter that dual wields khopesh. I like TWF.

Ya know how some people don't like the half-elf? I don't like warforged. I know they're awesome and all, but I don't enjoy playing them.

I also realize it takes zero effort to build a decent wf fvs, that's why they're so common. I prefer to come up with alternatives to what everyone else is doing.

Thanks

Half elves have good going with scimitars, reason i came with whole wf fvs idea was because its just so stupidly non needy character, it works out of thin air. Almost like an exploit, your only loss is spell dc. As far as healing goes, its exactly as good as any.

If you can afford khopesh feat, go for it.

ps, you can probably get by just fine with 11 starting charisma. 11+2+6=19. difference in mana is close to non existent, alltho in few selected quests, your charisma may be drained down by few.

[Hellllboy]

2 thoughts on this:

The splash is nice for additional feats and proficiency-but the pure version would attain a pretty good capstone and DR. I guess you would have to sit down and determine which is more important to you.

TWF on a FvS takes a great number of resources to invest for minimal gain. Might I suggest THF and dump the DEX for a different stat distribution?

Otherwise-the basic idea of your build looks very fun! Im sure you will enjoy it. :)

[Inferno346]

18fvs/1ftr/1mnk would be basically the same (can take power attack or toughness as the monk feat) but would give the option of using handwraps vs. undead.

Rogue dilly would seem much more powerful than sorc. You can easily UMD teleport and fireshield scrolls with your 11 ranks.

[Weev]

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