Lichs immune to disintegrate bug?

[drachine]

I'm well aware lichs have a mantle of invulnerability making them immune to 4th level and lower spells. However, I'm wondering why some lichs take damage from disintegrate and some do not?

Epic Wiz King lich is immune
Cannith challenges lich is immune

in elite quests like Wiz King and And The Dead Shall Rise, they do take damage from it. Why is this? Anyone know?

Its a 6th level spell and as far as I know there is no defense vs disintegrate. They might save, but it should hit them right?

Its an issue simply because they are already immune to Cold and Electricity. Making them immune to a non-type spell like disintegrate seems to be too powerful imo

[Puppetian]

It's not a bug, epic liches and the Abbot have a 50% chance to block a disintegrate. Simply put, it's one of those mobs where you want a melee or a divine to beat it down.

[grgurius]

It's not a bug, epic liches and the Abbot have a 50% chance to block a disintegrate. Simply put, it's one of those mobs where you want a melee or a divine to beat it down.

Not really, abbot takes no damage on a save, otherwise he takes full damaga. Not sure about epic wk, hes been like that for ages, dont know if he is bugged or wai.

[Puppetian]

Not really, abbot takes no damage on a save, otherwise he takes full damaga. Not sure about epic wk, hes been like that for ages, dont know if he is bugged or wai.

That's not what the wiki says :)

[grgurius]

That's not what the wiki says :)

Someone edited it then, it displayed correct information before, unless the changed abbots disintegrate shield, but tbh never noticed that 50%, is usualy no damage 5% of times for me. As for epic liches, never landed a disintegrate on one.

[Puppetian]

Someone edited it then, it displayed correct information before, unless the changed abbots disintegrate shield, but tbh never noticed that 50%, is usualy no damage 5% of times for me. As for epic liches, never landed a disintegrate on one.

To quote it:


Disintegrate Ward

As all undead, Liches have no constitution score, and thus a very poor fortitude save. To combat this weakness to Disintegrate, they all tend to have some form of a disintegration ward, which simply automatically stops a certain percentage of disintegrates regardless of if they save or not.

Individual boss pages list the 50%. So, question arises, how accurate is your data? All the arcanes I'm usually running Abbot with tend to smack him with Meteor Swarms and Black Dragon Bolts rather than Disintegrates, which would point towads Wiki's accuracy.

[Sarisa]

It's supposed to be 50%, but recent changes to the game (mostly the Abbot's ridiculous changes to make one of the least run raids even harder) seems to have POSSIBLY varied the percentages depending on difficulty.

[oweieie]

Individual boss pages list the 50%. So, question arises, how accurate is your data? All the arcanes I'm usually running Abbot with tend to smack him with Meteor Swarms and Black Dragon Bolts rather than Disintegrates, which would point towads Wiki's accuracy.

Lichs have mettle. It is evasion for spells with fort and will saves. If you have a ****** DC on your disintigrate, don't expect very many to land at all. If someone has improved sunder and they knock 15 off his fort save, and your DC isn't low, expect 95% of them to land. You'll never see a resisted disintegrate doing the reduced damage. The fact that it doesn't put a blue hexagon over his head like evasion does but instead a nightshield graphic, give a text message like evasion does, or give a saved message like reflex spells do are all probably technically bugs and makes threads like this crop up every so often with people wondering *** is going on.

[ainmosni]

It's not a bug, epic liches and the Abbot have a 50% chance to block a disintegrate. Simply put, it's one of those mobs where you want a melee or a divine to beat it down.

which is absolutely awful raid encounter design considering it's a caster reward oriented raid.

[Zeruell]

Lichs have mettle. It is evasion for spells with fort and will saves. If you have a ****** DC on your disintigrate, don't expect very many to land at all. If someone has improved sunder and they knock 15 off his fort save, and your DC isn't low, expect 95% of them to land. You'll never see a resisted disintegrate doing the reduced damage. The fact that it doesn't put a blue hexagon over his head like evasion does but instead a nightshield graphic, give a text message like evasion does, or give a saved message like reflex spells do are all probably technically bugs and makes threads like this crop up every so often with people wondering *** is going on.

Mettle would actually be a great deal more tolerable than the situation we currently have on our hands.

[Kinerd]

Back when Extraplanar Palace had lich bosses, I happened to keep track of voided Disintegrates on my leveling wizard, and the results were statistically indistinguishable from 50%. It would be very peculiar if I happened to have exactly the Transmutation DC that resulted in 50% save chance, with all the saves taking 0 damage from this Mettle thing. I've tried searching for other references to it, but google helpfully returns "metal" for "mettle", so it's not going very well.

[oweieie]

Back when Extraplanar Palace had lich bosses, I happened to keep track of voided Disintegrates on my leveling wizard, and the results were statistically indistinguishable from 50%. It would be very peculiar if I happened to have exactly the Transmutation DC that resulted in 50% save chance, with all the saves taking 0 damage from this Mettle thing. I've tried searching for other references to it, but google helpfully returns "metal" for "mettle", so it's not going very well.

Mettle is a class feature of Hex Blades and Crusaders. Probably a few other classes, but those are the only two that come to mind.

I've never seen a failed save by him doing reduced damage. Have you? Not even 5%. I think it's pretty clear whats going on is save related. And lowering his fort save seems to increase my land chance...

[Kinerd]

Mettle is a class feature of Hex Blades and Crusaders. Probably a few other classes, but those are the only two that come to mind.I have found a presumably independent reference for Hex Blades and their Mettle, so I am more willing to consider your explanation. (Perhaps significantly, I am also reminded of the Platoon quote regarding crusaders.)
I've never seen a failed save by him doing reduced damage. Have you? Not even 5%. I think it's pretty clear whats going on is save related. And lowering his fort save seems to increase my land chance...I will further admit that I cannot specifically recall any case of a reduced damage Disintegrate. However, if what others have said is true and liches are wimps (Constitutionally speaking), it remains plausible that such events are simply unlikely, and my absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[karpedieme]

I'm well aware lichs have a mantle of invulnerability making them immune to 4th level and lower spells. However, I'm wondering why some lichs take damage from disintegrate and some do not?

Epic Wiz King lich is immune
Cannith challenges lich is immune

in elite quests like Wiz King and And The Dead Shall Rise, they do take damage from it. Why is this? Anyone know?

Its a 6th level spell and as far as I know there is no defense vs disintegrate. They might save, but it should hit them right?

Its an issue simply because they are already immune to Cold and Electricity. Making them immune to a non-type spell like disintegrate seems to be too powerful imo

Wiz King not Immune do disintegrate

However, I farmed it last night extensively. I Did get quite a few shield icons vs disintegrates during my farm runs.

Some landed while others drew the shield Icon. Definitely something going on but he's not immune.

No save animation, bane damage icon either, just plain old shield mantle icon......

My dc's are good and have transmutation items also.

In abbot I know the disintegrates not landing at all in some cases. Can be proximity issues or just a broken mechanic.

Could be related to the same issue of the Named Giant Skelly in Reclaiming Memories. He is clearly not immune to ray spells such as disintegrate and Scorching Ray... They just do not hit him.

Its not WAI and its not quite broken either :-D. Needs some addressing and some fixing for sure.

Hope this helps.

[karpedieme]

It's not a bug, epic liches and the Abbot have a 50% chance to block a disintegrate. Simply put, it's one of those mobs where you want a melee or a divine to beat it down.

Where is this quoted from?

Wiki?

Thanks for your reply.

[Puppetian]

Where is this quoted from?

Wiki?

Thanks for your reply.

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[hobgoblins]

The abbot has a 50% disintegrate blocking shield/effect.
It may have been modified in recent patches to be difficulty sensitive.

[karpedieme]

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Thanks....