LFMs

[Elements]

Please if you insist on doing every optional and are concerned with every breakable please put this in your lfm. Some players are not interested in this. Once they have waited and or helped you complete a quest then you mf them because you didnt get 600 xp and your lfm didnt state doing all optionals all breakables the least you could do is be cordial. I know your anonymity of an online game makes you feel as though you can curse and mf a blue streak its really not ok, you just do it because you know you can and there is no real consequence for your behavior. I dont believe that you would speak like that to another person face to face .... and if you do I am sorry for you.

[whitehawk74]

/cheese

[Teraz]

Unless the person says zerg or farming runs...it should be assumed they want the maximum xp attainable in any given quest. If the leader is still trying to finish the optionals then there is no way anyone should be completing the quest without his permission. That being said it really shouldn't come down to inappropriate behavior or words especially when the extra xp is not going to kill your march to cap.

[akash]

Please if you insist on doing every optional and are concerned with every breakable please put this in your lfm. Some players are not interested in this. Once they have waited and or helped you complete a quest then you mf them because you didnt get 600 xp and your lfm didnt state doing all optionals all breakables the least you could do is be cordial. I know your anonymity of an online game makes you feel as though you can curse and mf a blue streak its really not ok, you just do it because you know you can and there is no real consequence for your behavior. I dont believe that you would speak like that to another person face to face .... and if you do I am sorry for you.

A more better solution should be not to join the group unless it says "quick run" or "zerg" etc.

[Uska]

I would assume they want full xp unless they state they are zerging

[Syllph]

I have to agree. I hate when this happens but unless they have stated they will not being doing every single option I must assume that is their plan. If I'm in doubt I ask: Can I zerg to the end?

[Aurora1979]

Please if you insist on doing every optional and are concerned with every breakable please put this in your lfm. Some players are not interested in this. Once they have waited and or helped you complete a quest then you mf them because you didnt get 600 xp and your lfm didnt state doing all optionals all breakables the least you could do is be cordial. I know your anonymity of an online game makes you feel as though you can curse and mf a blue streak its really not ok, you just do it because you know you can and there is no real consequence for your behavior. I dont believe that you would speak like that to another person face to face .... and if you do I am sorry for you.


/Not signed.

Im a strong believer in the leaders LFM his rules and all that. You joined, and he is running it in its entirety. I would assume that unless otherwise stated.

I zerg, lots. But that isnt the way the game was designed to be played. So why assume that is how people run quests.

[mobrien316]

I would assume they want full xp unless they state they are zerging

This.

If the LFM doesn't have any comments in it, I will see how the leader starts thing off. If he is breaking every crate and barrel, so will I. If he is sprinting to the end, I'll be right behind him.

If I only want to zerg, I will start my own LFM or hit one that says "speed run" or something like that.

If I want every single XP from optionals, I will start my own LFM or hit one that indicates that is the plan.

[sparty55]

A more better solution should be not to join the group unless it says "quick run" or "zerg" etc.

I don't think the OP's point is unreasonable. The group leader would be better served if he announced in advance that they are going for conquest and/or vandal bonuses considering that there are many different play-styles. I hear people ***** and whine about the dearth of pug groups lately and then here's a guy getting cussed at because of a game play issue. And people are surprised that the quality of pugs are poor and pugs in general are hard to come by.

[varusso]

If you want something specific, dont assume that people who join your LFM can read your mind anymore than you can read theirs.

*ALOT* of people like to skip the optionals in favor of a faster completion, then run that quest again or move on to a different one -- usually vet/TR toons trying for optimal XP/min. They will only complete an optional or bonus (breaking boxes, getting conquest etc) if the time spent doing so is minimal or highly lucrative in terms of reward. When they join a group, they assume that this will be the norm unless specifically told otherwise.

*ALOT* of people like to get every single bonus and optional, so as to maximize their XP per dungeon and/or to learn the quest. These are mostly newer players who have not done the quests a hundred times already and still enjoy the exploration aspect of the dungeon crawl. They like to take their time and check out every spot on their map that isnt filled in -- just in case. When they join a group, they assume this will be the norm unless specifically told otherwise.

Both styles are valid. Both are part of the "learning curve" in the game. Both are made easily apparent simply by putting a note in the LFM -- "zerg/TR run" vs "all opts and bonuses". They are equally easy to discover by ASKING when you join a run, if there is nothing listed in the notes. "Are we gonna get all the opts and bonuses or just zerg through it?" If the PL says one thing, and the person joining decides to take it upon themselves to ignore what the PL wants and do their own thing -- that person is an ******. If the PL starts cursing and being generally abusive over it, the PL is an ******.

Communication, courtesy, and respect. I really dont think its much to ask for -- for ALL parties involved.

[Uska]

I don't think the OP's point is unreasonable. The group leader would be better served if he announced in advance that they are going for conquest and/or vandal bonuses considering that there are many different play-styles. I hear people ***** and whine about the dearth of pug groups lately and then here's a guy getting cussed at because of a game play issue. And people are surprised that the quality of pugs are poor and pugs in general are hard to come by.

I disagree a trillion percent if people want a Zerg group they state so in their lfm zerging should never ever be considered the default the op would be better served looking for groups that state zerging (I see those lfm's all the time) or forming his own groups or running solo I always prefer doing it all but usually go with the group unless I know it will cost me a lot of xp then I applogize and bow out and do it on my own or with a group that prefers it the same way

[Arshan]

I'll defend elements here because what he really meant - i think - is the excessive reaction of the leader for the (we all know it) crappy +400 xp for breaking the last sarcophagi or w/e 3 Minutes away from where we are.
I understand the "WE MUST GET EVERYTHING" point of view but i admit i wont hesitate to shorten a quest if i see we are going to take 10 more minutes for 150xp more.

I know what Elements mean, and as far as we all here think there are different kinds of lfms, if we were in his situation we know how we would act.

We don't have that much time to waste when we are TRing, so let's face it, we can think it's wrong but if we don't feel like waiting we wont.

[jwdaniels]

We don't have that much time to waste when we are TRing

If all you do when you TR is grind as fast as you can so you can TR again, that's more like a hamster wheel than a hobby...

[Aurora1979]

If all you do when you TR is grind as fast as you can so you can TR again, that's more like a hamster wheel than a hobby...

A hamster wheel is a hobby.... for a hamster :)

[Ilindith]

We don't have that much time to waste when we are TRing, so let's face it, we can think it's wrong but if we don't feel like waiting we wont.

Is it fun when gaming turns into a job?

[Enoach]

I agree, if group does not state ZERG or Fast Completion then 9 time out of 10 its doing the optionals, maybe not all of them.

However, Most (not all) optionals can be completed after the quest is completed

Ransack and Conquest being bonus XP that cannot be added to after the quest is completed.

Now, as for the way the person handled themselves with the language. That I totally disagree with. There are better ways of handling being upset.

As the leader they should state what they would like to complete - Some optionals are not worth the time. Some happen along the way.

[Arshan]

Is it fun when gaming turns into a job?

Some people can turn this game into something VERY annoying, reaching a state near the job :p

[gserlenga]

if all you do when you tr is grind as fast as you can so you can tr again, that's more like a hamster wheel than a hobby...

+1

[mobrien316]

A lot of people are unfamiliar with the various quests, especially when compared to someone who may have multiple capped/multiple TR characters.

If they don't know that breaking boxes, opening the door, killing spiders, and retrieving the lost badge in Kobold's New Ringleader is going to get them something like an extra half a percent of XP, let them learn it on their own and make their own decision as to whether they wish to spend an extra two or three minutes for (almost) no XP.

For me, if the LFM isn't specific, I'll ask the leader rather than assume he wants to do it this way or that way.

[Solmage]

Here's how I see it, there is no default way of doing things, they're called OPTIONALS for a **** reason, they're DESIGNED to be OPTIONAL, not mandatory.

With this in mind, if the group leader has a strong preference to zerg, state it in the LFM.

If the group leader has a strong preference towards breaking every single barrel and optional regardless of how little exp it brings, state it in the LFM.

"All Optionals, Full XP, No Zerg" - f.ex.

This avoids problems. However, at the absolute latest, this should be stated before the group enters the quest. This is called leading the group. If you choose not to lead, don't be surprised if people do whatever comes natural to them.

[Guenalicious]

Here's how I see it, there is no default way of doing things, they're called OPTIONALS for a **** reason, they're DESIGNED to be OPTIONAL, not mandatory.

With this in mind, if the group leader has a strong preference to zerg, state it in the LFM.

If the group leader has a strong preference towards breaking every single barrel and optional regardless of how little exp it brings, state it in the LFM.

"All Optionals, Full XP, No Zerg" - f.ex.

This avoids problems. However, at the absolute latest, this should be stated before the group enters the quest. This is called leading the group. If you choose not to lead, don't be surprised if people do whatever comes natural to them.

/agreed he seemed to be able to communicate his displeasure with the completing of the quest, then he should have felt bold enough to lead the quest in the first place.

[Havok.cry]

@OP: the guy has no good reason to curse at anyone. I agree that important things should be stated in the LFM. However I have to wonder how this didn't come up before completion, it honestly sounds like a two way communication failure to me. Leader needs to tell the team what he wants, team needs to ask leader what he wants, it goes both ways.

[rodallec]

zerg all the quests?

maybe get an optional if its on the way to the end or group can split up.