How many runs would it takE.....

[Zyerz]

....To get: 4 LDS, 3 Large arrows, 2 large Bones, 1 large Chain, 5 Large stones, and 4 large shrapnels?

How much runs would you think it would take to acquire these? ;)

Been lazy on shroud crafting, but finally getting back into it. Making a Lit II atm, and working on crafting a 2nd GS for a future Min II.

[Ivan_Milic]

It took me 10+ runs to get my first lds,but now I get it every run,sometimes even 2.
It all depends on your luck.
IF you are lucky less than 10,if not around 20.

[Phidius]

....To get: 4 LDS, 3 Large arrows, 2 large Bones, 1 large Chain, 5 Large stones, and 4 large shrapnels?

How much runs would you think it would take to acquire these? ;)

Been lazy on shroud crafting, but finally getting back into it. Making a Lit II atm, and working on crafting a 2nd GS for a future Min II.

Somewhere between 6 and 2943. Or maybe 2944, not exactly sure.

[Krelar]

It took me 19 runs to get everything for my first greensteel (which was also a lit2) This was before the changes though, so if you run on hard or elite and get lucky with end rewards I imagine it could go quite a bit faster now.

[Blackwolfe]

19 total large ingredients listed:

Luckiest player on the planet: 4 elite runs (1 x part 4, 3 x part 5 and 1 from end reward = 5 total per run)

Semi-luckiest player: 5 hard runs (1 x part 4, 2 x part 4 and 1 from end reward = 4 total per run)

Lucky player: 7 norm runs (1 x part 4, 1 x part 5 and 1 from end reward = 3 total per run)

Normal player: 19 + runs (none of those ingredients listed are guaranteed to drop in chests, or as the end reward, at all, “WOOT, another power cell”)

Realistically: probably 24’ish runs (taking into account repeats of what you no longer need)

With a good guild passing all their stuff probably still 5ish runs.

I’d hit up the trade channel and forums on your server if you want it before the expansion.

Good luck.

[pleistocene]

It wouldn't take many runs if you have 3+ toons that are already flagged for shroud and do 1 shroud a day on each of those toons.

[Jaid314]

...and working on crafting a 2nd GS for a future Min II.

fair warning, min II is not as exciting as it used to be. it's still not terrible, but it really only saves space; holy<metal type> <weapon> of <monster type> bane is generally better DPS against most raid bosses, and for most trash you'll just want lit II anyways.

but of course, if backpack space is something you value very highly, you may still prefer the min II. it's not like it's a terrible weapon or anything, it's just that as far as material costs go, you can make better weapons (for specific targets) for a much lower price.

[Zyerz]

fair warning, min II is not as exciting as it used to be. it's still not terrible, but it really only saves space; holy<metal type> <weapon> of <monster type> bane is generally better DPS against most raid bosses, and for most trash you'll just want lit II anyways.

but of course, if backpack space is something you value very highly, you may still prefer the min II. it's not like it's a terrible weapon or anything, it's just that as far as material costs go, you can make better weapons (for specific targets) for a much lower price.

That is true.... I honestly already have DR breakers for most things, but I thought min2 was that much better.

[Urjak]

don't know if there are official drop rates somewhere ... if there are i haven't found them^^ .. personally i guess for hard shroud the drop rate should be somewhere around 2 larges per run with average luck (~0,4 in pt4, ~1,5 in pt5, ~0,1 on end reward ... numbers are just based on my personal experience ;))

the only rare ones you listed are the lds and large stones ... those together are 9 (the other ones are cheap) somewhat evenly split on 2 out of 6 possible drops ... => with average luck you ll need 27 large drops to get those 9 you need ... if you only run hard shroud this makes 14 runs ... add a bit more to it since you know fate is a b**** and you can bet you won't get that last ingred for a few runs^^

disclaimer: i know this is not exact math, but it should suffice for a crude estimation ;)

[Enoach]

Due to the random nature it would be difficult to predict the number of runs needed.

However, you could come up with a guesstimate for minimum number of runs needed.

4 LDS, 3 Large arrows, 2 large Bones, 1 large Chain, 5 Large stones, and 4 large shrapnel = 19 Larges

(removing fractions as you can't get 1/2 or 1/3 of an ingredient these are epic tokens)
Normal: 0 - 3 ( 2 chests and end reward )
Hard: 0 - 4 ( 3 chests and end reward )
Elite: 0 - 5 ( 4 chests and end reward )

Reason I say 0 is on the off chance the only Large you get is Horns mind you the stars are pretty lined against you if all 5 possible places gave you nothing more then a Large Horn or Power Cell.

Based on this information, If you go Normal your looking at 19 runs minimum or an average of 1 Large per run. That does not leave room for getting the wrong ingredient.

Having multiple flag characters does not reduce the number of runs needed, but will allow you to get more runs in a shorter amount of time.

Also look towards other Devil based quests. These also have chances to drop Shroud ingredients.

[ainmosni]

min2's are also good for tr'ing for builds that can't afford improved critical, either at all or until later levels. but that's a very niche market.

[Cardoor]

Realistically: probably 24’ish runs (taking into account repeats of what you no longer need)


This would be my estimate too.

[testing1234]

not really sure on the drop rate these days not done shroud much after they changed drop rate for hard.
still odds are fairly high youll endup getting a unbalanced amount of ingredient so id say
50% of needing to do 10runs+some trading
50% of needing to do 35runs+some trading
just my impression of the thing and could be way off since very unsure on drop rate these days

you need 4LDS 5Lstone +10Larges is a better way of putting it
LDS=1
Lstone=.5
LargeX not Lstone or LDS= .2
if id do a quick value estimation but have not bought or sold any of these myself for well over 6months possible 1 year cant remember last time anyhow i bought or sold onete these days

[testing1234]

whops

[davidolson22]

....To get: 4 LDS, 3 Large arrows, 2 large Bones, 1 large Chain, 5 Large stones, and 4 large shrapnels?

How much runs would you think it would take to acquire these? ;)


I suspect you'll get all the large bones you need on the first run through. Sadly, you'l lget 2 more on second run and third. Around number 4 you'll get an arrow head and a large splintered horn. 5 you're back to bones again. 6-8 you'll be on a streak and get an lds, a lss, and a lts. Then it's straight back to bones again for next ten runs.

Then, you'll give up and raise money some other way, and just buy them all from other people.

[Arnhelm]

Let's go ask the owl...

[axel15810]

I ran a normal shroud 2 days ago and got 2 LDS, but definitely run it on hard if you can for the extra chest. Those LDS came after going 7 or 8 runs and not getting one. And at the same time I've had great luck with stones...I have 7 of them in only 12 runs.But like others said the key is to get multiple toons running it...2 toons cuts your farming time in half, 3 toons cuts it to 1/3. If you have a toon sitting at midlevels it is probably faster to level it up and flag it for shroud than to do other farming with other capped toons. I'd say 10-20 runs to get what you listed, depending on your luck. Most of the ingreds you listed can be bought for a reasonable price, it's really only the LDS and stones that hold you back. Oh and soon as you get enough ingreds of one type you can sell the extra for plat to put towards other ingreds.

[TEcarson]

One run, provided folks give you all of the shards you need.

Then go to the AH for ingredients.

:)

[Blackwolfe]

Due to the random nature it would be difficult to predict the number of runs needed.

^^This, 100 percent^^


I can personally attest to the absolute randomness of the drops.

Once went 12 runs, on multiple toons, with zero ingredients, other than power cells and horns.

Then again, once went 2 hard runs back to back on the same day (separate toons) with 3 LDS each run. Almost had to get a towel after the second run.

So basically, regardless of math/probabilities/statistics: its a total cr@apshoot.

Good luck though.

[sirgog]

The *average* number will be about 20 normals or 15 hards (to get the five stones, that's pretty much exactly the *average*). Then you will more likely than not also have the 4 scales and 4 shraps you need.

I'd say you are 50-50 of being able to make it after 20 normals and 80-20 of being able to after about 27 normals. (Count Hards as one-and-a-third runs, elite will definitely be beyond you for a while but it counts as two runs, and Epic Devil Assault counts as two-thirds of a run).

[DemonMage]

Make sure you're ransacking Sins too (at least so the end chests are Ransacked) that's another 5 chests per run with a shot at a Small or Large.

[EllisDee37]

That is true.... I honestly already have DR breakers for most things, but I thought min2 was that much better.A min2 has almost exactly the same dps as a +4 holy of regular bane, and that's if (a big if) the min2's acid lands fully. Many raid bosses were given some acid resistance, making min2s noticeably worse than the easy-to-craft +4 holy of banes.

A +5 holy burst of greater bane does better dps than an artie-silvered lit2, but lit2 is still incredibly useful for trash.

[DocBenway]

Let's go ask the owl...

He said 3.

[Faent]

min2's are also good for tr'ing for builds that can't afford improved critical, either at all or until later levels. but that's a very niche market.

Yes, I'm glad I have my Min II on this life. Will wind up with the eFang, and so don't need IC: Critical (and can't fit it into my 19 feats either!).

[Arnhelm]

he said 3.
Thank you :)

[Zyerz]

One run, provided folks give you all of the shards you need.

Then go to the AH for ingredients.

:)

Hehe I aint exactly the richest guy out there... I actually have a load of shards... From Past lives... I also have a lot of med and small ingreds, but I lack larges lol. I don't have enough plat to even buy 1 LDS.