Bugs taking over DDO

[Phemt81]

Last night was really bad for DDO, and therefore, for my playing experience.

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise i got a black screen right after killing the lich (thanks to an experienced player in the party). I couldn't see anything, UI either. I could only hear sounds and was able to write in chat (without seeing it, using just enter and other keys...), DDO was not "responding" in task manager.

Luckily, my party waited for me to log off and back on, and i got all xp and loot, or else i d have trashed about 1 hour of playing (my first run there).

All my config is always the same, but i am getting these black screens only recently.

Then, later, i sent an item from my alt, 1000 siberys fragments and i got this screen:

http://i42.tinypic.com/20sxibn.jpg

Can't detach, as you see, 26 empty slots, but it says i should check for full inventory or exclusivity of the item. None of the above, just a bug.

Nothing important, right, in fact i really hope that won't happen to anyone with valuable items.

At last but not least; I had a third tier silver flame talisman farmed in my previous life in necropolis (11 negative energy absorptions) the other day i go to necropolis to farm favors in necro1 quests.

So i start to talk with all the quest givers. Well, my talisman get erased from my inventory:

No confirm message asked anf puff, you lose an item requiring you about 15 (more?) quests to be obtained. Guess what? Bug report form didn t even work that day (logged me off)

Well i would like to have it back now... but i m afraid i ll need to run necros again...

I want to add these broken game mechanics next to bugs, this and the threnal pack where you can erase your progress while talking to a simple npc must be improved.

EDIT: Well, actually, it is not a broken game mechanic as i stated previously. It is actually a known bug (from players) that destroys an item you acquire after running several quests. And after being destroyed it can't be found on buy back tab.
So, judging from regular game mechanics perspective, it should be considered a bug in my humble opinion.

EDIT END

Just add a big red flashing message saying: "You are about to lose this X item in order to obtain this Y item" or, in the threnal quests case "You are gonna lose your progress if you confirm this dialog box".

Hard to do? I don't know. Needed? YES

Please let us continue playing DDO, do not let it be buried in bugs and broken mechanics.

Thanks for reading.

P.S. lost about 30 minutes only to submit these bugs (15 minutes to load the bug report form and more 15 to actually write those).

[oweieie]

At last but not least; I had a third tier silver flame talisman farmed in my previous life in necropolis (11 negative energy absorptions) the other day i go to necropolis to farm favors in necro1 quests.

So i start to talk with all the quest givers. Well, my talisman get erased from my inventory:

The Emerald Claw guy DOES say he'll destroy it for you if you click yes.

Yeah, it's pretty dumb, but it's not actually a bug.

[Qezuzu]

I've never encountered any of those bugs, and I do know to talk to the SF guy BEFORE taking the old one out of the cache. Maybe you're cursed.

Lag is a bigger problem IMO.

[oweieie]

I've never encountered any of those bugs, and I do know to talk to the SF guy BEFORE taking the old one out of the cache. Maybe you're cursed.

Lag is a bigger problem IMO.

Mmm, I have destroyed my 10 charge before clicking the altar in ascension chamber to make sure my tier 0 gets upgraded and I don't lose my 10, and then bought my 10 charge back from the vendor. Anyone know if you can buy back the 10 charge from the vendor if the Emerald Claw guy destroys it? I'm guessing no.

[Cauthey]

As to your Silver Flame Nugget, did you try checking the Buy Back tab on a vendor? I know that this nugget function is a specialized function, and might not actually "destroy" the item out of your inventory the way one would traditionally destroy items. But, it might be worth checking. *shrug*

[rokes]

I doubt the black screen issue has anything to do with DDO, it's probably an issue with your computer

[Jedamijo]

Is it possible to have both a Silver Flame Talisman and a Silver Flame Pendant on the same character?

If I attain the Talisman (10 charge), then TR, it would be nice to have the Pendant (5 charge) on the new life before reaching level 11.

[Tyrande]

Is it possible to have both a Silver Flame Talisman and a Silver Flame Pendant on the same character?

If I attain the Talisman (10 charge), then TR, it would be nice to have the Pendant (5 charge) on the new life before reaching level 11.

Yes, its possible. Don't remove your old Silver Flame Talisman from TR cache though prior to obtaining the Pendant. Don't know if this is WAI.

[Kaytis]

Is it possible to have both a Silver Flame Talisman and a Silver Flame Pendant on the same character?

If I attain the Talisman (10 charge), then TR, it would be nice to have the Pendant (5 charge) on the new life before reaching level 11.

I read in the forums somewhere that you could have more than one on a second lifer. I currently have the 10 charge item in my tr cache, and am working on the third tier of a new one (it's currently at 5 charges). It does not say it's exclusive so I should eventually be able to absorb up to 20 neg levels. I don't ever expect to need that many, 10 has always been ample, but I am curious to see if it will work.

[Tyrande]

Last night [...]

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise i got a black screen [...] DDO was not "responding" in task manager.

Never had this happen to me.



[...]

Then, later, i sent an item from my alt, 1000 siberys fragments and i got this screen:

[...]

Can't detach, as you see,[...] just a bug.[...]

I have seen this, but it was just lag from the Orien's postal service. I tried again after a minute and it was okay. Don't think it was a bug though.



At last but not least; I had a third tier silver flame talisman farmed in my previous life in necropolis (11 negative energy absorptions) the other day i go to necropolis to farm favors in necro1 quests.

So i start to talk with all the quest givers. Well, my talisman get erased from my inventory:
[...]

This is working as intended. The quest giver did say they don't like the opposing faction and will remove the opposing faction's item.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

Yeah, it's not that clear that you'll be losing the silver flame just from the dialog, since they put it in NPC/RP terms. As for the chains, I just don't understand how it's even possible to bork your progress, why they'd allow it to happen in the first place, and why they haven't fixed it after all this time. Especially something as infuriating as threnal.

But bug fixes don't really sell, and no one ever came back to a game they'd left because "Look! Now with 20% fewer bugs and the same old content!" so the chances of this improving seem low.

People do LEAVE games because of bugs tho;)

[azmodeus1]

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise

else i d have trashed about 1 hour of playing (my first run there).


it took an hour to do dead shall rise? D=

[Phemt81]

The Emerald Claw guy DOES say he'll destroy it for you if you click yes.
Yeah, it's pretty dumb, but it's not actually a bug.

Please read my edit to OP. And thanks for your post!


I've never encountered any of those bugs, and I do know to talk to the SF guy BEFORE taking the old one out of the cache. Maybe you're cursed.

My apologies, i don't get what you mean. Could you please rephrase that?
What is the SF guy?


Lag is a bigger problem IMO.

Funny enough, a QA reprensentative contacted me, and he stated that bug has to do with lag. So, yeah lag is a big issue on DDO.

Thanks for your post. :)


Anyone know if you can buy back the 10 charge from the vendor if the Emerald Claw guy destroys it? I'm guessing no.

No, you can't. Therefore it is a bug.

I did check my buy back tab of course.


I doubt the black screen issue has anything to do with DDO, it's probably an issue with your computer

LOL ! :D

Oh sorry, were you serious? If so then i gotta say i m playing from june 2010 and never had that issue...


Yes, its possible. Don't remove your old Silver Flame Talisman from TR cache though prior to obtaining the Pendant. Don't know if this is WAI.

+1 for being very informative on that matter


I have seen this, but it was just lag from the Orien's postal service. I tried again after a minute and it was okay. Don't think it was a bug though.

This is working as intended. The quest giver did say they don't like the opposing faction and will remove the opposing faction's item.

1st statement: sorry to contradict you, but the siberys framents are stuck in my mail now for more 3 days. Each time i log i get the same identhical bug

2nd statement: read my edit to OP please.

Thanks for posting everybody!


it took an hour to do dead shall rise? D=

Nice trolling. :)

[Sleepsalot]

@ the OP most likely the Black Screen was on your PC even though you may not think so.. Things like that do Happen. I know on my PC every time I die I get a white screen and can't see any thing. It is not DDO it is on my end.

Sleeps :D :) :D

[tinyelvis]

There have been a lot of little bugs (and big ones for that matter) lately. One thing that happens is peoples start to loose trust. There is then a tendency to blame every issue on a bug. This perception issue can impact a players fun time.

Here are some little bugs that I have noticed after the recent update. On one of my toons the number 8 spot on my 1st task bar has become corrupted. If I have cure serious potions in my pack, then no matter what I put in this spot, as soon as I use a cure serious potion, it overwrites this spot. A spot that I have used for six years on my number one task bar has now become unusable. I remapped the hotkey to another location. Also, while in combat occasionally the mob hitpoint bars all bug out and show incorrect values. Once I directly target them, I can see what HPs the mob actually has.

And of course there is the artificer. I dont like playing this toon anymore. He kinda seems like a sick dog with a plastic cone around his neck and patches of fur missing. I know he still is the same old artificer but I just dont want to pet him anymore.

[Battlehawke]

.... not good..

[AestorTheKnight]

Last night was really bad for DDO, and therefore, for my playing experience.

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise i got a black screen right after killing the lich...

That sir is an Technical Issue with your GPU - Graphics Card.

Black screens are a well known error that occurs when the GPU inside the graphics card is failing due to becoming worn out or over heated. It can happen in any 3D application and is a Technical Error with your Hardware. It has nothing to do with DDO.

[haku-ba]

I read in the forums somewhere that you could have more than one on a second lifer. I currently have the 10 charge item in my tr cache, and am working on the third tier of a new one (it's currently at 5 charges). It does not say it's exclusive so I should eventually be able to absorb up to 20 neg levels. I don't ever expect to need that many, 10 has always been ample, but I am curious to see if it will work.

It will work. Sometimes having the extra 10 can be very handy, but only in a few quests.

[Phemt81]

@ the OP most likely the Black Screen was on your PC even though you may not think so.. Things like that do Happen. I know on my PC every time I die I get a white screen and can't see any thing. It is not DDO it is on my end.

Sleeps :D :) :D


That sir is an Technical Issue with your GPU - Graphics Card.

Black screens are a well known error that occurs when the GPU inside the graphics card is failing due to becoming worn out or over heated. It can happen in any 3D application and is a Technical Error with your Hardware. It has nothing to do with DDO.

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Funny enough, a QA reprensentative contacted me, and he stated that bug has to do with lag. So, yeah lag is a big issue on DDO.

[Sleepsalot]

Yeps I thought that is what you would Do no one wants to hear the truth at all.. Good Luck with your PC. That can't have any issues at all. LoL
Sleeps :D :) :D


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[Phemt81]

Yeps I thought that is what you would Do no one wants to hear the truth at all.. Good Luck with your PC. That can't have any issues at all. LoL
Sleeps :D :) :D

Ok, seriously now.

Are you able to read?

[Sleepsalot]

YES I read you got a Black screen and want to Blame DDO and not what it was. Your PC video cause DDO not to want to respond. Any thing Else????

Sleeps :D :) :D


Ok, seriously now.

Are you able to read?

[Nagantor]

You got a black screen with working game at a rather random location. Can it be a game bug? Yes. Can it be a problem on your computer? Yes. Can each of them happen if the game worked flawless without changes before? Yes.

So the real question is, which is more likely? There the answer is: problem on your computer. From the symptoms you described game bug is less likely by a huge margin. This is related to how software works internally (assuming usual coding which ties graphics and game logic to some extent). On the other hand, a single hardware failure can be caused by things like a tiny distortion in your power line at the exact wrong moment. Very unlikely to happen again as well. Or aging hardware starting to fail occassionally...

[skullzz]

Then, later, i sent an item from my alt, 1000 siberys fragments and i got this screen:



Can't detach, as you see, 26 empty slots, but it says i should check for full inventory or exclusivity of the item. None of the above, just a bug.



Make sure that this stack will not overburden you. Seeing that will block you from taking stuff from the mailbox but not the bank.

[Simplesimon1979]

Make sure that this stack will not overburden you. Seeing that will block you from taking stuff from the mailbox but not the bank.

An other thing to look at with that 1000 shards. Make sure you don't have a partial stack in your inventory. It may be trying to put those 1000 shards in to it an it won't fit, so if gives the flag iventory full.

[Phemt81]

So the real question is, which is more likely? There the answer is: problem on your computer.

Feel free to find and read my explanation (even quoted myself on that...) on why this can't be the case.

Thanks for reading.


Make sure that this stack will not overburden you. Seeing that will block you from taking stuff from the mailbox but not the bank.


An other thing to look at with that 1000 shards. Make sure you don't have a partial stack in your inventory. It may be trying to put those 1000 shards in to it an it won't fit, so if gives the flag iventory full.

Checked both. Not this case. It is purely a bug if you can trust me...

Thanks for posting everybody.

[Sleepsalot]

LoL okay Hmmmm.....10 Years as a PC tech tells me other wise. But okay you win. No one knows any thing here...

Sleeps :D :) :D



Feel free to find and read my explanation (even quoted myself on that...) on why this can't be the case.

[Phemt81]

LoL okay Hmmmm.....10 Years as a PC tech tells me other wise. But okay you win. No one knows any thing here...

Sleeps :D :) :D

Why are you taking this personally? It is nothing personal here man.

I am reporting bugs cause i like DDO and i want to improve it with my little, humble help.

I already explained that a Turbine Quality Assurance Representative told me IT IS A BUG.

Do you want to see the quote of the pm to believe me?

This reply if you are serious.
Otherwise awesome trolling, consider yourself a winner.

[Sleepsalot]

I am not taking it personal The Black screen Is not a Bug.. If it was a Bug more people would be talking about the issue. I do think that some one confused this issue with yours
Known Issue: Black Screen With Visible UI: Some Intel users may find that when DirectX 10 is enabled, only their UI is visible and the rest of their screen is black. If this occurs, we recommend you disable DX10, enable DX9, and restart the game client.Every thing else yes I am sure is a Bug. And that part sucks for you. And yes I do hate it for you..

Sleeps :D :) :D


Why are you taking this personally? It is nothing personal here man.

I am reporting bugs cause i like DDO and i want to improve it with my little, humble help.

I already explained that a Turbine Quality Assurance Representative told me IT IS A BUG.

Do you want to see the quote of the pm to believe me?

This reply if you are serious.
Otherwise awesome trolling, consider yourself a winner.

[Phemt81]

I am not taking it personal The Black screen Is not a Bug.. I do think that some one confused this issue with yours

Wow, lots of people here thinking turbine's word count so little.
Ok, i will try to keep it in mind for the future, i thought you (not only you sleeps...) didn't read/see my posts(or, worst case, just trolling).

Misunderstanding i guess. My bad.


If it was a Bug more people would be talking about the issue.

Interesting point of view. Have you ever heard of passage dragonmark bug?

[yawumpus]

Wow, lots of people here thinking turbine's word count so little.


Lots of people have dealt with/been technical support. Also somewhat familiar with Turbine's support.

Yes, it really counts that little. Support might be able to try to fit it into the list of "known bugs", but their job is to get you off the phone; preferably convinced that they are doing something. Looks like it worked. I'd even be somewhat surprised if the "devs" knew about this (although they should have some idea how not to trigger bugs). I think they employees who handle code that directly draws the screen are called "engineers" (instead of "devs" who may be artists, engineers, who knows) and work on the "tech" instead of game logic/content/stuff you see.

Note that there are two possibilities: that turbine has been doing something that works on 99% of computers 99.99% of the time, but not yours or there is something wrong with your machine. In the first case I would suspect that it is still likely to be on your end, but Turbine might be willing to code around it (has to be common to major hardware/drivers, though). Or it may be on your end.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I have developed the opinion that Turbine should employ a programmer / QA tech for solely fixing low-priority bugs ... Simply because they add up over time ... Like stone by stone the ancient Pyramids of Egypt were built ...

Tiny little stones (which the stones from the Pyramids were not) - they just add up over time into a massive heap ...

It's like a light drizzling rain : It is so light, that you don't notice that you get wet. Until it's too late.

[Cyr]

The Black screen Is not a Bug.. If it was a Bug more people would be talking about the issue.

Tons of bugs effect users rarely for one reason or another in a variety of products. Those bugs often go years without being reported because users often assume they are a quirk of their setup and not a quirk of the software.

Oh and for the record. Yeah I've gotten that bug along with the game closing out at random since U13 released. There is certainly something that changed (oh and at least one guildy has the random ddo dies on you issue also now).

[Dragavon]

The Emerald Claw guy DOES say he'll destroy it for you if you click yes.

This.

Reading the dialogue from the questgivers might be an idea? :p

[Nagantor]

Feel free to find and read my explanation (even quoted myself on that...) on why this can't be the case.

Thanks for reading.

Don't worry, I read before I posted. It's still more likely a bug on your computer in this case. There's a world of a difference between crashing/freezing game and black screen with chat/talk etc. still working.
Trusting people on the hotline... don't do that too much. They rarely have deep knowledge or access to the required information. I've been told impossible stuff at hotlines more then once and after convincing the guy on the phone that I know more about the background got connected to someone with real knowledge. That's when problems are solved for real. It's not as if the people on the general hotline were unfriendly, they're simply a filter to protect those with valuable skills from a ton of nonsense reports. Most reports are plain wrong or duplicated, filtering through them is better done by someone with limited knowledge so those doing the fixes can save time and work on the interesting stuff. Of course, valuable information may not always get through this filter, sadly.

[Phemt81]

Don't worry, I read before I posted.
Trusting people on the hotline... don't do that too much.

Who said i called them at the phone? :confused::rolleyes::confused:

And, sorry if i will hurt anyone's feelings with my personal opinion about this but the black screen i had is just a bug.

And now (only for me cause i see only 10 years experienced computer techs here) from wikipedia:

"A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways."

I really can't believe that black screen was WAI, sorry. :D

Thanks everyone for posting and for keeping their own opinions.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Black screen ? Sure the graphics card isn't too old or/and overheated ?

[chrichton]

Don't worry, I read before I posted. It's still more likely a bug on your computer in this case. There's a world of a difference between crashing/freezing game and black screen with chat/talk etc. still working.
Trusting people on the hotline... don't do that too much. They rarely have deep knowledge or access to the required information. I've been told impossible stuff at hotlines more then once and after convincing the guy on the phone that I know more about the background got connected to someone with real knowledge. That's when problems are solved for real. It's not as if the people on the general hotline were unfriendly, they're simply a filter to protect those with valuable skills from a ton of nonsense reports. Most reports are plain wrong or duplicated, filtering through them is better done by someone with limited knowledge so those doing the fixes can save time and work on the interesting stuff. Of course, valuable information may not always get through this filter, sadly.
Excellent summary of hotline help!

[Tammuz]

Black screen ? Sure the graphics card isn't too old or/and overheated ?


I've had that happen too, but its happened after update 12, new computer. It shouldn't be overheated for me at least, since it runs other, newer games like Starcraft 2 just fine. It also happens eeeeevery once in a while usually while in town, and almost never actually in a dungeon or questing.

Its not with a visible UI though, and this ONLY happens with DDO. Not starcraft, WoW, Bioshock, WAROnline, etc.

[Phemt81]

I have developed the opinion that Turbine should employ a programmer / QA tech for solely fixing low-priority bugs ... Simply because they add up over time ... Like stone by stone the ancient Pyramids of Egypt were built ...
Tiny little stones (which the stones from the Pyramids were not) - they just add up over time into a massive heap ...
It's like a light drizzling rain : It is so light, that you don't notice that you get wet. Until it's too late.

I agree that Turbine should have employees dedicated only to bugfixing but i am afraid that only people who actually coded the game (bugs) can "fix" them.

Yes each little tiny stone id depositing at the base and forming a bigger trash formation each time new content is added.


Black screen ? Sure the graphics card isn't too old or/and overheated ?

From my personal experience i'd exclude that possibility, but the topic is not really about why i personally experienced these issues during playtime, it is about the balance between bugs, sane gameplay and broken game mechanics.

Currently is good, but from my experience, i am afraid there are good chance it will go south.

And i would hate that.

Feel free to post your opinion about the current game balance vs bugs and your discovered bugs here, if you like. :)

Thanks everybody for posting.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

I have developed the opinion that Turbine should employ a programmer / QA tech for solely fixing low-priority bugs ... Simply because they add up over time ... Like stone by stone the ancient Pyramids of Egypt were built ...

Tiny little stones (which the stones from the Pyramids were not) - they just add up over time into a massive heap ...

It's like a light drizzling rain : It is so light, that you don't notice that you get wet. Until it's too late.


YES! +1 for this, because it's not that any given bug is fail, (bugs, much like @#$%!!!!, happen), but that they don't seem to ever try and fix em, since i guess making stuff work is not cost effective when they have us addicted.

[Phemt81]

YES! +1 for this, because it's not that any given bug is fail, (bugs, much like @#$%!!!!, happen), but that they don't seem to ever try and fix em, since i guess making stuff work is not cost effective when they have us addicted.

Good news on that side just from today. :)

From Lamannia update 13 patch 1 release notes (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066):

"Skills, Feats, and Enhancements

NEW: Fixed an issue where Rage and other "clickable" feats would not always activate, but still have their cooldowns engage."

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I've had that happen too, but its happened after update 12, new computer. It shouldn't be overheated for me at least, since it runs other, newer games like Starcraft 2 just fine. It also happens eeeeevery once in a while usually while in town, and almost never actually in a dungeon or questing.

Its not with a visible UI though, and this ONLY happens with DDO. Not starcraft, WoW, Bioshock, WAROnline, etc.

Hm, maybe it is Directx related ? Because the games you mention a a bit newer games than DDO, and might therefore use a different version of Directx ?

And I heard (I#m not sure) that several versions of Directx are incompatible with one another ?

That's why I often say that if you own Win Vista and newer, you'll need to install Directx 9.0c - and of that always the *newest* variant ! - for older games.
It's simply because older games relying on Directx 9 jest can't utilize Directx 10 or 11 (like Drakensang, for example).

[parvo]

Probably been stated before, but the silver flame and emerald claw trinkets will be replaced with fresh, downgraded versions if you talk to the givers again. I don't know any reason a player would ever want to do this. (I'm sure the mechanic is in place for players that lose their trinket or want to try the other version.) The confusing part is they get the quest reward type icon over their heads once you upgrade your trinket. "Talking" to NPCs with this icon becomes habit. I've seen a few folks in my guild accidentally downgrade this way.

[NexEverto]

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise i got a black screen right after killing the lich (thanks to an experienced player in the party). I couldn't see anything, UI either. I could only hear sounds and was able to write in chat (without seeing it, using just enter and other keys...), DDO was not "responding" in task manager.

Driver crash maybe? Recently updated any drivers?


Then, later, i sent an item from my alt, 1000 siberys fragments and i got this screen:

Can't detach, as you see, 26 empty slots, but it says i should check for full inventory or exclusivity of the item. None of the above, just a bug.

Nothing important, right, in fact i really hope that won't happen to anyone with valuable items.

I'm going to try replicating the bug, likely the first time you tried to detach it your client detached it prior to the server confirming it, so the server prevented it from being detached, now it can't understand why it stuck there so its 'logical' answer is full inventory or exclusivity. I could be wrong as I'm just speculating, but I tend to end up right some of the time. :D



EDIT[/COLOR]: Well, actually, it is not a broken game mechanic as i stated previously. It is actually a known bug (from players) that destroys an item you acquire after running several quests. And after being destroyed it can't be found on buy back tab.
So, judging from regular game mechanics perspective, it should be considered a bug in my humble opinion.

No, its not a bug or a broken game mechanic, its a poorly designed function of the game. You are not meant to be able to have two Talismans, if you read the dialog both mention that your carrying the opposing 'orders' Talisman and that they'd remove it for you if you wished them to. There is no big red text because Turbine didn't start using big red text till recently, with Reincarnations (of all forms) I believe. The reason you can't get them back from the 'Buy Back' tab, is because its a quest item. Imagine if every quest item that ended up destroyed after leaving a quest ended up in your Buy Back tab, you'd hate it.

Its also no different to resetting your Delera's quest chain without doing the 5th 'hidden' part, its no different than Threnal, you finish a side, you can either use that completion to unlock another chain, or, you can reset it to re-run the first chain. Same happens in Necro with Shadow Crypt. There's a whole bunch of them that function the same. Its just a bad design mechanic, but its not a bug.

If I'm repeating anyone, I'm sorry, I skim read through this thread. Also, check out the links my signature, three bugs in one day isn't that amazing considering the amount I hear about through in game tells, private messages and forum comments. It makes me feel really sorry for those handing bug reports.

[Phemt81]

Probably been stated before, but the silver flame and emerald claw trinkets will be replaced with fresh, downgraded versions if you talk to the givers again. I don't know any reason a player would ever want to do this. (I'm sure the mechanic is in place for players that lose their trinket or want to try the other version.) The confusing part is they get the quest reward type icon over their heads once you upgrade your trinket. "Talking" to NPCs with this icon becomes habit. I've seen a few folks in my guild accidentally downgrade this way.

Yes, same icon for quests and they just destroy a long farmed item.

It's phishing! It's totally similar to that! :D


Driver crash maybe? Recently updated any drivers?

Driver crash is another thing, i had those. That black screen is a bug.

I'm going to try replicating the bug, likely the first time you tried to detach it your client detached it prior to the server confirming it, so the server prevented it from being detached, now it can't understand why it stuck there so its 'logical' answer is full inventory or exclusivity. I could be wrong as I'm just speculating, but I tend to end up right some of the time. :D

Probably you are right. Maybe not.

No, its not a bug or a broken game mechanic, its a poorly designed function of the game. You are not meant to be able to have two Talismans, if you read the dialog both mention that your carrying the opposing 'orders' Talisman and that they'd remove it for you if you wished them to. There is no big red text because Turbine didn't start using big red text till recently, with Reincarnations (of all forms) I believe. The reason you can't get them back from the 'Buy Back' tab, is because its a quest item. Imagine if every quest item that ended up destroyed after leaving a quest ended up in your Buy Back tab, you'd hate it.

No, sorry, it is a bug. An item destroyed by talking by an npc and not present in buy-back tab can't ever be working as intended. So it is a bug. No need to try explaining why it should not be considered that way only cause you are used to know it and it doesn't hurt your game experience anymore.

Like the ladder bug. It is a bug.

Its also no different to resetting your Delera's quest chain without doing the 5th 'hidden' part, its no different than Threnal, you finish a side, you can either use that completion to unlock another chain, or, you can reset it to re-run the first chain. Same happens in Necro with Shadow Crypt. There's a whole bunch of them that function the same. Its just a bad design mechanic, but its not a bug.

When you bestow the quest "return to delera" the door of delera's tomb won't be flashing yellow like all other quests. So, guess what? That is a BUG mate. This one exists with more quests, not only in delera.

You need to compare usual game mechanic with specific one to understand what is a bug and what not.

Threnal? Yeah i can't believe resetting your progress clicking a dialogue bos is WAI, sorry i'm trying to believe it, but i just can't.

If I'm repeating anyone, I'm sorry, I skim read through this thread. Also, check out the links my signature, three bugs in one day isn't that amazing considering the amount I hear about through in game tells, private messages and forum comments. It makes me feel really sorry for those handing bug reports.

You kiddin mate? A game freeze, long farmed item loss and another sent, "not amazing" in only one night?

And you are sorry for the developers and not for my two hours loss between handling them and reporting? I am not payed to do this, they are...


Your replies.

Thanks everyone for posting

[chrichton]

Note that many (most?) software development organizations employ a "human resources" approach that uses two different groups of "devs": one to create/upgrade the software, and another to "maintain" it (ie: bug fixes). This separation may be less expensive, but its results are almost always less than optimal, and sometimes outright disastrous.

I know this from painful experience. :(

[HAL]

Feel free to find and read my explanation (even quoted myself on that...) on why this can't be the case.

The fact that a GM said that your black screen was a known bug doesn't mean anything at all. They say wrong things all the time.

[NexEverto]

Yes, same icon for quests and they just destroy a long farmed item.

A quest icon over a quest giver? No way! Anyway...


No, sorry, it is a bug. An item destroyed by talking by an npc and not present in buy-back tab can't ever be working as intended. So it is a bug. No need to try explaining why it should not be considered that way only cause you are used to know it and it doesn't hurt your game experience anymore.

Listen, you can sit there all day and call a Tomato a Vegetable all you want, but at the end of the day its still a Fruit. Fact is, when you talk to either the Silver Flame or the Emerald Claw giver for the 'Nugget' quest, they both clearly asks what you want to do with the other 'Orders' Trinket. Here's a screenshot as proof.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6550/93739363.png

A Dev would have had to physically program those three options in, sure, they're not in BIG RED TEXT as maybe they should be, but they are there and if you failed to read them that's no ones fault other than your own. As I said, the reason it doesn't appear in your Buy Back list is because its considered a Quest Item, and if that's not the reason, I'm sure a Dev would say its because they don't want you to be able to get one, then buy back the other to have both.


Like the ladder bug. It is a bug.

Which ladder bug? There's been three. One was where people would get stuck in the middle of the ladder, the other one was where some Ladders suddenly had a chunk cut out of the middle which I believe was a failed fix to the previous bug, and finally the one I suspect your talking about where people get stuck rebounding at the bottom of the ladder. That final one is actually an issue with the Server and your Client talking. If you pause for a second before climbing ladders you'll notice it less.



When you bestow the quest "return to delera" the door of delera's tomb won't be flashing yellow like all other quests. So, guess what? That is a BUG mate. This one exists with more quests, not only in delera.

-Snip-

Threnal? Yeah i can't believe resetting your progress clicking a dialogue bos is WAI, sorry i'm trying to believe it, but i just can't.

I wasn't talking about the door not lighting up, so I won't give you a proper commented on that. If you don't get that part of the quest until you talk to her however, then no, it wouldn't be considered a bug. If you get it before talking to her, then yes, it would be a bug as its not showing you the quest entrance. What I was talking about is resetting the chain before doing that final part, much like in Threnal. At the end of the day, a Dev would have had to put in the option to reset your chain, it would have actually been more working than having the NPC say 'Shoo, go do the other part of this before talking to me to reset things', so you can't say its a bug. Its just poor design.

Also regarding your other bug with your mail, tried to replicate it with some Guildies of mine, how many Siberys Dragonshard Fragments did you send? Because as you can see with my attached image, it'll actually show the number. The fact yours doesn't makes me suspect my theory was right, or you sent one and something else is going on.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4890/50883112.png

[Phemt81]

The fact that a GM said that your black screen was a known bug doesn't mean anything at all. They say wrong things all the time.

I didn't talk to a GM. How many times i need to say it? :(

Next(everto) will be replied :)

[llyrnionfor]

Note that many (most?) software development organizations employ a "human resources" approach that uses two different groups of "devs": one to create/upgrade the software, and another to "maintain" it (ie: bug fixes). This separation may be less expensive, but its results are almost always less than optimal, and sometimes outright disastrous.

I know this from painful experience. :(

+1, definitely.

The "industry best practices" that create separate teams (often, even separate departments) for architecture/design, development (one team for "projects", another for "maintenance/correction"), QA, operations, etc, only assure one thing - lack of quality as a rule, stemming from the fact that the team that performs one task will not be there downstream to suffer its consequences.

Add to it the "time-to-market" fallacy, and what you get are teams a) under pressure to deliver and b) with the knowledge that Someone Else (TM) will clean whatever mess they create.

Now, on-topic...

I don't know if I'd call it a bug, but I believe a well-designed game (and I admit I can't think of any, right now) should have a player-configurable setting to display warnings and red flashing lights every time you're about to do something you may regret.

Then, it becomes your choice - whether you value warnings over immersion.

[Phemt81]

We made changes! If you have time, send us some fake reports!
I'm interested in if you get any of the following (hopefully you won't):


Black screen of death
White screen of death
Redirect page

Hopefully our days of the bug report tool is busted are behind us.

Let me get some spare time to reply you decently please.

Week end was made to stay with girls :cool:

[Phemt81]

Listen, you can sit there all day and call a Tomato a Vegetable all you want, but at the end of the day its still a Fruit. Fact is, when you talk to either the Silver Flame or the Emerald Claw giver for the 'Nugget' quest, they both clearly asks what you want to do with the other 'Orders' Trinket. Here's a screenshot as proof.

Lol what? The example you just made is like telling me i am talking nonsense.

I am not saying pizza is done with ketchup (bleargh!) i am just saying ketchup is red, like tomatoes. And that is a fact.

A fact, just like saying that all items you destroy, or game destroys (lag, or other errors...) are in the buyback vendor's tab. See anything not making sense? I don't.

A Dev would have had to physically program those three options in, sure, they're not in BIG RED TEXT as maybe they should be, but they are there and if you failed to read them that's no ones fault other than your own. As I said, the reason it doesn't appear in your Buy Back list is because its considered a Quest Item, and if that's not the reason, I'm sure a Dev would say its because they don't want you to be able to get one, then buy back the other to have both.

What is my fault? That i have destroyed an item obtained by running 15 quests by clicking a dialogue box without reading it? You serious?

Oh, they have done that way cause they do not want we get both items. Read some posts behind, there is a way to get both. You need stronger facts to change my opinion about this; that is just very poor game design, and needs to be improved. Point.

Let me know any game destroying an item you grinded for by clicking a dialogue box. If you can name me one... i will keep carefully away from that one :D

Which ladder bug? There's been three. One was where people would get stuck in the middle of the ladder, the other one was where some Ladders suddenly had a chunk cut out of the middle which I believe was a failed fix to the previous bug, and finally the one I suspect your talking about where people get stuck rebounding at the bottom of the ladder. That final one is actually an issue with the Server and your Client talking. If you pause for a second before climbing ladders you'll notice it less.

Never experienced the first two ladder bugs you are talking about. But i won't doubts they exist or they are actually bugs only cause i didn't encounter them... :D

Thanks for the workaround, but i already tried it and does not seem to work; going down and jumping to ladder usually works. Not sure why we talking specifically of this though...

I wasn't talking about the door not lighting up, so I won't give you a proper commented on that. (...) you can't say its a bug. Its just poor design.

Poor programming causes bugs.
Poor game desing causes broken game mechanics.

I see a very thin line between those...

Also regarding your other bug with your mail, tried to replicate it with some Guildies of mine, how many Siberys Dragonshard Fragments did you send? Because as you can see with my attached image, it'll actually show the number. The fact yours doesn't makes me suspect my theory was right, or you sent one and something else is going on.

I sent to my alt 1000 siberys fragments.
When i tried to detach game lagged. Then I had the error (in the image i posted in OP) then the number vanished and the mail contained just the image of the fragments, without its number.

It stayed on my mail for 5 days, undetachable, and then vanished.

I thing i would really go mad if that happens with an important item. And a lot of people would go mad as well...


Your replies

Thanks for posting!

[NexEverto]

What is my fault? That i have destroyed an item obtained by running 15 quests by clicking a dialogue box without reading it? You serious?

I'm done. Thanks for playing! :D

[Phemt81]

I'm done. Thanks for playing! :D

What? :confused:

[Psychoticfrog]

Just...stop.

Your argument is arbitrary.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

DDO is an action game.

During the last decade, Blizzard & other firms taught the players through their myriads of action games to NOT read the dialogs.
And rather to zerg on and kill everything, even if it's friendly (a ertain quest in DDO ...)

In DDO this is the case, too.

[Phemt81]

I feel insulted by this community of trolls and moderators keeping deleting my comments.

I am done trying to help here.

Have fun with your multiaccounts and elitist people. :)

[HungarianRhapsody]

I feel insulted by this community of trolls and moderators keeping deleting my comments.

I am done trying to help here.

Have fun with your multiaccounts and elitist people. :)

As a troll, I resent your implication that I would delete a post that might possibly bring additional dram.

[Psychoticfrog]

As a troll, I resent your implication that I would delete a post that might possibly bring additional dram.

I know right? =]

[Tyrande]

DDO is an action game.

During the last decade, Blizzard & other firms taught the players through their myriads of action games to NOT read the dialogs.
And rather to zerg on and kill everything, even if it's friendly (a ertain quest in DDO ...)

In DDO this is the case, too.

/agree

Not many people read the dialogues.

I was playing one of my characters in the Litany of the Dead quest on elite one time and wanted to answer the questions to the Black Dragon without reading the dialogues. The black dragon breathed acid and then killed the character answering wrong. The character cannot even resurrect with a cleric or cake afterwards. Did the dragon ask the questions in bold face red text? i.e. Doing this I will breathe acid and kill you?

No...

Oh yeah, the Black Dragon did not offer refunds for resurrection cakes either.... I do not think the Black Dragon even has Siberys Cakes in stock in his stash.

I was wondering if there is a quest dialogue inside a dungeon in the new expansion MOTU area where a monster or NPC asked the player... "Oh yeah, in order to proceed through this collapsed hole; I need to remove all your armor, green steel items, epic items and polymorph you into a mouse; and one of the neat rewards that someone else provided you earlier will be crumbled to dust..." I wonder how many people won't read that and press [option 1] and [enter] all the way...

[Tobril]

OP has a point. Usability issues are defects.

[Phemt81]

Reporting: second black screen, during HoX hard.

The underdark will be really dark i guess...

[Phemt81]

More data to share about the black screen bug.

I was online just few minutes ago before the hotfix and servers shutdown.

The global announcement said i had 30 seconds to find a safe place to log off.

When the timer got to 19 seconds the black screen bug occured, same identhical behaviour as descrideb in the opening post.

Gave me something to think about... hope this is a good hint to direct QA to discover and emininate this bug.

[Nospheratus]

Last night was really bad for DDO, and therefore, for my playing experience.

First while running And the Dead Shall Rise i got a black screen right after killing the lich (thanks to an experienced player in the party). I couldn't see anything, UI either. I could only hear sounds and was able to write in chat (without seeing it, using just enter and other keys...), DDO was not "responding" in task manager.

This has happened to me before - I'd say 2-3 years ago. When I had Windows Vista on my desktop machine. When it happened, there was a message attached to windows tray saying that the video driver stoped working. I could still hear the game and see the mouse pointer and see it change as I moved it over objects.

My graphics card is an ATI HD 4780 on a Rampage Formula MB. Later I found out It started happening due to one specific windows update. Can't tell you which one though.

The amount of times it happened got reduced after uninstalling and re-installing the game and it stoped completely after I changed to windows 7.

Good luck!

[Sleepsalot]

I would give you a + but out now. I had forgot about a windows update. But hate to say it the OP mostly likely dismiss that also like every other bit of advise..

Sleeps :D :) :D


This has happened to me before - I'd say 2-3 years ago. When I had Windows Vista on my desktop machine. When it happened, there was a message attached to windows tray saying that the video driver stoped working. I could still hear the game and see the mouse pointer and see it change as I moved it over objects.

My graphics card is an ATI HD 4780 on a Rampage Formula MB. Later I found out It started happening due to one specific windows update. Can't tell you which one though.

The amount of times it happened got reduced after uninstalling and re-installing the game and it stoped completely after I changed to windows 7.

Good luck!

[Phemt81]

This has happened to me before - I'd say 2-3 years ago. When I had Windows Vista on my desktop machine. When it happened, there was a message attached to windows tray saying that the video driver stoped working. I could still hear the game and see the mouse pointer and see it change as I moved it over objects.
Good luck!

I had that problem myself! But when the driver crashed, ddo did the same almost instantly.

Anyway i was able to fix that easily :cool:

[Sleepsalot]

Ya well when your Video driver crashes it is normal for things to stop working Such as DDO...
Sleeps :D :) :D


I had that problem myself! But when the driver crashed, ddo did the same almost instantly.

Anyway i was able to fix that easily :cool:

[Phemt81]

As you may guess by yourself i am using this thread to report all the bugs i find in the game so that we can have a wider vision of things and find informations about them easily and faster.

Long story short: completed A cabal for one quest without claiming my reward and look what happened when getting near the quest entrance :D

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2h6vfde.jpg

Yes, the reward window popped out of nowhere asking me to pick it, maybe the game was anxious to get me running it again :D

So i decided to pick one.
When i get to back to GH i checked the npc contact and it no more showed the yellow/green chalice upon his head telling me the reward was considered taken.

Not a really harmful bug but quite funny instead.

Bug reported

Ladders to you all! ;)

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

This reminds me of the Invisible Troll I had encountered on Sorrowdusk Island a few days ago (I think it was Thursday).

My Elven Ranger couldn't see him - only hear him, and feel him (his beatings, to be exact). And then, after having defeated him, watch a small bag drop out of nowhere to the ground.

I had sent it in as a bug, of course.

[hecate355]

Ooh this vast and endless bug-o-sphere!

Can i put all my blue screens, crashes to desktop and no graphical driver found errors i occasionally get here as well? Blame it all on Turbine!

Pretty please! :D

[hecate355]

Its not directly related to OP, but anyone who has used computers lengthy times knows that it can act like black magic, sometimes one event leads to another, one error spawns 10 more at seemingly unrelated place.

Thats why support staff sometimes just tells you to delete all this **** and re install soft/OS, because no one on earth would be able to track down what exactly are all the things gone wrong in your setup.

One could conjure up countless of near sci-fi stories about how something went wrong or how stuff that should never work worked just fine.

If i need to fix something specific, i just fiddle around until i have a lucky hit. Would be rather hard to explain it to some some one else. Of course its not always stumbling in the dark, there are several approaches that often direct you to where it actually went wrong.

[Phemt81]

Ooh this vast and endless bug-o-sphere!

Can i put all my blue screens, crashes to desktop and no graphical driver found errors i occasionally get here as well?

Lol @ bugosphere. The driver issue is fixable as i said, i am not talking about drivers here, just reporting DDO bugs.



Blame it all on Turbine!

Blame? You misunderstand how games and software houses currently work, reliable bug reports are valuable contribution to the good life of a game, i am trying to help turbine solving some bugs, the blame is only when they don't care about those.

But, hopefully, those days are past now. The lamannia current event should be a proof.



Pretty please! :D

LOL what? :D

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Its not directly related to OP, but anyone who has used computers lengthy times knows that it can act like black magic, sometimes one event leads to another, one error spawns 10 more at seemingly unrelated place.

Thats why support staff sometimes just tells you to delete all this **** and re install soft/OS, because no one on earth would be able to track down what exactly are all the things gone wrong in your setup.

One could conjure up countless of near sci-fi stories about how something went wrong or how stuff that should never work worked just fine.

If i need to fix something specific, i just fiddle around until i have a lucky hit. Would be rather hard to explain it to some some one else. Of course its not always stumbling in the dark, there are several approaches that often direct you to where it actually went wrong.

I assume that all who post here know that.

I'm not a fool, either. I've seen "computer magic" as well.

I have seen a bug disappearing after doing a harddisk defrag years ago.

And I'm not reporting on every issue either.

By the way, my dnd client crashes almost every time when I quit the game ... Don't kow why ...

If anyone from Turbine asks Microsoft for crash reports : They are there ... I think it must be around 50 or so now ...

[learst]

I assume that all who post here know that.

I'm not a fool, either. I've seen "computer magic" as well.

I have seen a bug disappearing after doing a harddisk defrag years ago.

And I'm not reporting on every issue either.

By the way, my dnd client crashes almost every time when I quit the game ... Don't kow why ...

If anyone from Turbine asks Microsoft for crash reports : They are there ... I think it must be around 50 or so now ...

This crash happens to me too. If I remembered correctly, there was a post on the forums saying that this was some changes to the graphics and related to Nvidia graphic card drivers. Some posters reverted to older Nvidia drivers and the problem went away.

[Phemt81]

Did you guys give dndclient and evoker exes firewall permissions already?

[hecate355]

Lol @ bugosphere. The driver issue is fixable as i said, i am not talking about drivers here, just reporting DDO bugs.



Blame? You misunderstand how games and software houses currently work, reliable bug reports are valuable contribution to the good life of a game, i am trying to help turbine solving some bugs, the blame is only when they don't care about those.

But, hopefully, those days are past now. The lamannia current event should be a proof.



LOL what? :D

Wasnt really serious, alltho i wouldnt mind some one fixing my issues for myself. I just find it funny how easy it is to misjudge IT related issues and blame em on those who totally didnt earn it. Not saying it is or isnt related to this thread, but it still exists.

EDIT: haha im pathological word repeater

[hecate355]

I assume that all who post here know that.

I'm not a fool, either. I've seen "computer magic" as well.

I have seen a bug disappearing after doing a harddisk defrag years ago.

And I'm not reporting on every issue either.

By the way, my dnd client crashes almost every time when I quit the game ... Don't kow why ...

If anyone from Turbine asks Microsoft for crash reports : They are there ... I think it must be around 50 or so now ...

It used to happend to me as well, for some period of time. Every time i exited game, i exited with crash error(in every other aspect, ddo worked just fine). Was long ago, dont remember what fixed it or whether it just went away on its own. Most likely got fixed with my semi pre planned clean OS and or ddo client installs.

Such crashes can be combination of many things involved. Everything that creates your gaming interface, directx, dotNET, healthy state of OS in general etc.

EDIT: hate my english, once done writing it looks like gibberish at second reading, or just plain ugly :D

[Nospheratus]

I had that problem myself! But when the driver crashed, ddo did the same almost instantly.

Anyway i was able to fix that easily :cool:

Care to share that? Maybe someone finds it useful! :)

[Bloodstealer]

Yes, same icon for quests and they just destroy a long farmed item.

Driver crash maybe? Recently updated any drivers?
Driver crash is another thing, i had those. That black screen is a bug.
It could be a whole host of hardware or sofware related issues... the CS person, like others have said has one goal.. to get you off the phone or ticket system ASAP, so they use the its a known issue...thanks..... could be driver related, DX related, Heat related, Age related, Power related... if it was an ingame bug that was well known, then I am sure the forums would of jum,ped on it faster than you could blink.

I'm going to try replicating the bug, likely the first time you tried to detach it your client detached it prior to the server confirming it, so the server prevented it from being detached, now it can't understand why it stuck there so its 'logical' answer is full inventory or exclusivity. I could be wrong as I'm just speculating, but I tend to end up right some of the time. :D
Probably you are right. Maybe not.
Could be lag related, could be user inventory error, or yes I agree could be a coding crash in the mail at that point.. ingame mail has had some quirky issues for years in DDO.. I am sure if you ask nicely and log a bug report you they likely have data to be able to retrieve it for ya.. Ive had that before.

No, its not a bug or a broken game mechanic, its a poorly designed function of the game. You are not meant to be able to have two Talismans, if you read the dialog both mention that your carrying the opposing 'orders' Talisman and that they'd remove it for you if you wished them to. There is no big red text because Turbine didn't start using big red text till recently, with Reincarnations (of all forms) I believe. The reason you can't get them back from the 'Buy Back' tab, is because its a quest item. Imagine if every quest item that ended up destroyed after leaving a quest ended up in your Buy Back tab, you'd hate it.
No, sorry, it is a bug. An item destroyed by talking by an npc and not present in buy-back tab can't ever be working as intended. So it is a bug. No need to try explaining why it should not be considered that way only cause you are used to know it and it doesn't hurt your game experience anymore.
Why would it appear in a BUY BACK list.. you didnt sell it to the NPC. - It is not a bug its a machanic in place to stop you having two unique items in your inventory at once or to allow you to have opposing unique trinkets at the same time.. read the story dialoge.. its a choice thing
.just suck it up and move on.

Like the ladder bug. It is a bug-
Yes that is a Bug... but hardly game breaking and its been around so long the players have learned to just raise an eyebrow and m ove on...


Its also no different to resetting your Delera's quest chain without doing the 5th 'hidden' part, its no different than Threnal, you finish a side, you can either use that completion to unlock another chain, or, you can reset it to re-run the first chain. Same happens in Necro with Shadow Crypt. There's a whole bunch of them that function the same. Its just a bad design mechanic, but its not a bug.

When you bestow the quest "return to delera" the door of delera's tomb won't be flashing yellow like all other quests. So, guess what? That is a BUG mate. This one exists with more quests, not only in delera.

You need to compare usual game mechanic with specific one to understand what is a bug and what not. A lesson you may want to heed yourself in future perhaps... :rolleyes:

Threnal? Yeah i can't believe resetting your progress clicking a dialogue bos is WAI, sorry i'm trying to believe it, but i just can't.
Because for those that remember Threnal... there were/are two quest scenarios... the Threnal Ceremonal Blade (West), which then opened up the Ceremonial challenge in the forest area... The south is the next part or final part for your chain reward. If you read the NPC dialogue you are given two option.... if you chose the wrong one... then you have only yourself to blame, same with any of the Necro tombs if you chose to repaet them before running the Crypts.
Sur these are not perfect.. but its a simple game mechanic which steers you to reading dioalogue not space barring your way throgh until your wise enough to understand your actions better...

If I'm repeating anyone, I'm sorry, I skim read through this thread. Also, check out the links my signature, three bugs in one day isn't that amazing considering the amount I hear about through in game tells, private messages and forum comments. It makes me feel really sorry for those handing bug reports.

You kiddin mate? A game freeze, (that is likely not a bug but something weither PC Hardware related or a code clash on your systems even if some CS rep might of said in order to move you off the line ),
long farmed item loss and another sent - (one that you tried to exploit and failed)"
not amazing" in only one night? - NOT REALLY, and you can farm the crypts without having to repeat the chains.. just need to ask people in your LFM for opener or ask guildies etc

And you are sorry for the developers and not for my two hours loss between handling them and reporting? I am not payed to do this, they are... they are not paid to sort out your inability to read or to help you replace something you lost trying to exploit the game to get a second.... that's a personal fail!

Thanks everyone for posting -

Your most welcome :)

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

It used to happend to me as well, for some period of time. Every time i exited game, i exited with crash error(in every other aspect, ddo worked just fine). Was long ago, dont remember what fixed it or whether it just went away on its own. Most likely got fixed with my semi pre planned clean OS and or ddo client installs.

Such crashes can be combination of many things involved. Everything that creates your gaming interface, directx, dotNET, healthy state of OS in general etc.

EDIT: hate my english, once done writing it looks like gibberish at second reading, or just plain ugly :D

English isn't my first language, either.

And yes, I already have my suspicions why my game client is crashing all of the time : It could be that my in-game graphics options are just "too high". I will try to reduce everything a bit.

Because I didn't have these constant game-ending crashes prior to U13 - and around that time I started experimenting with increasing my graphics options, too.

My worst complaint is right now that if I'm using the DDO story in-game (I think it's a mini-browser there), or any other internet browser, the game will crash within 5 minutes. I can bet on that. I have to restart the PC if I want DDO to play/run smoothly any time after using either the in-game DDO store or an out-game internet browser.

[Bloodstealer]

As you may guess by yourself i am using this thread to report all the bugs i find in the game so that we can have a wider vision of things and find informations about them easily and faster.

Long story short: completed A cabal for one quest without claiming my reward and look what happened when getting near the quest entrance :D

Yes, the reward window popped out of nowhere asking me to pick it, maybe the game was anxious to get me running it again :D

So i decided to pick one.
When i get to back to GH i checked the npc contact and it no more showed the yellow/green chalice upon his head telling me the reward was considered taken.

Not a really harmful bug but quite funny instead.

Bug reported

Ladders to you all! ;)

Why is this a bug... the mechanic is there maybe to help players who have lapses in concentration forgetting to pick up rewards.. therefore you are given your reward reminder.. you take it and it updates the NPC so you cant try and get a second reward...
As Cabal is a walk up quest it means having this eliminates the need for you to run all the way back to GH to get your reward and then run back again.... you can just enter the quest straight away then... simples really

SO.. I AM STILL STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A BUG?... you really need to try and understand what a bug really is and perhaps try to stop whinning so much... this is an MMO and as such isn't so easy to control like an RPG... cascading code can be a tricksey thing... show me an MMO that doesn't have bugs (proper bugs mind you.. not the kind your trying to make out here) and ill try and take you more seriously... otherwise I say your only serving to make yourself look very inexperienced around MMO's, and all your actuially doing is putting tickets in that are wasting people time reading just because you have a reading comprehension failure or lots of concentration lapses... :)

[Bloodstealer]

/agree

Not many people read the dialogues.

I was playing one of my characters in the Litany of the Dead quest on elite one time and wanted to answer the questions to the Black Dragon without reading the dialogues. The black dragon breathed acid and then killed the character answering wrong. The character cannot even resurrect with a cleric or cake afterwards. Did the dragon ask the questions in bold face red text? i.e. Doing this I will breathe acid and kill you?

No...

Oh yeah, the Black Dragon did not offer refunds for resurrection cakes either.... I do not think the Black Dragon even has Siberys Cakes in stock in his stash.

I was wondering if there is a quest dialogue inside a dungeon in the new expansion MOTU area where a monster or NPC asked the player... "Oh yeah, in order to proceed through this collapsed hole; I need to remove all your armor, green steel items, epic items and polymorph you into a mouse; and one of the neat rewards that someone else provided you earlier will be crumbled to dust..." I wonder how many people won't read that and press [option 1] and [enter] all the way...

Well Turbine could of just given you 2 doors rather than a dragon.. with the correct door giving you quest progression, the other an instant Acid Bath... no information to go off.. just random door selection... imagine the outcry.. the dialoague is a game of wits, if your not experienced in the quest then more fool to anyone who wants to space bar through such dialogues.. expect.. the UNEXPECTED but don't come to forums and whine cos of reading comprehension failure or concentration lapses or worse failing at trying to exploit a game mechainc and crying foul of Turbine in a bug report...

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

with the correct door giving you quest progression, the other an instant Acid Bath...

Replace "acid" with "poison" and you already have it : http://ddowiki.com/page/Stopping_the_Sahuagin

[Phemt81]

Care to share that? Maybe someone finds it useful! :)


DDO seems to not like up to date video card drivers, so when i rolled back to original driver setup all went smoother.

Just my personal experience but may be worth a try.

Here ^ ;)

[Bloodstealer]

Replace "acid" with "poison" and you already have it : http://ddowiki.com/page/Stopping_the_Sahuagin


Actually that's technically incorrect.. the Satopping Sahuagin quest has 2 doors i grant.. but they are not random decisions and both lead to quest progression... they just provide differnent challenges in the rooms.. ie poison trap (which is not instant death like the black dragon in LotD) the other door allows quest progression but secret doors open up once inside to allow mobs out to attack you.

So it is not a game of wits, it is not a challen ge which is make or break of the quest... and sorry to say not random like the example I used.... random door decision.. 50-50 chance to progress or acid bath time...

LotD does have a need to stop and think/read what the drsgon says.. unless your happy to space bar through and guess ... though I except even this after 5-6 times is merely a memory game so even I space bar through it everytime now :)

[Phemt81]

Why is this a bug... the mechanic is there maybe to help players who have lapses in concentration forgetting to pick up rewards.. therefore you are given your reward reminder.. you take it and it updates the NPC so you cant try and get a second reward...
As Cabal is a walk up quest it means having this eliminates the need for you to run all the way back to GH to get your reward and then run back again.... you can just enter the quest straight away then... simples really
SO.. I AM STILL STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A BUG?... you really need to try and understand what a bug really is and perhaps try to stop whinning so much...

So, that one is WAI? Really? Does it mean it happens all the times you avoid to claim the reward and go back to quest entrance?

Did you try it already? I am interested to know.

[Nospheratus]

Here ^ ;)

Ah! Thanks! Didn't see it before!

That may be the case I experienced as well, since it was one particular windows update that caused my game to start "crashing the video driver". At the time, I remember even updating my graphic's card BIOS. Didn't change anything...

Never happened on windows 7 though, with everything absolutely up to date. Even updated my motherboard's BIOS, which I'll add, made one other specific issue disapear!

The issue was:
In some areas my game client would just freeze. If I alt+tab to windows desktop, I could see it taking all the processor time it could, even though it normally doesn't when you ALT+TAB. It would happen for *sure* in the Tower Cave (ToD entrance) and almost for sure inside the twelve tower and in the room where the planescalar is. Also, when opening an epic chest in Tide Turns, Devil Assault and possible some others. Some other random places as well, but nowhere near as frequent as those metioned before.

This issue reduced frequency when I reinstalled the game client, but it disapeared when I updated my BIOS. I haven't experienced this issue since ever, can't specify since when though. Perhaps since the update in which the stormreach assault pack was launched.

[Bloodstealer]

So, that one is WAI? Really? Does it mean it happens all the times you avoid to claim the reward and go back to quest entrance?

Did you try it already? I am interested to know.

Once again you fail in reading comprehension... its a walk up quest.. hence why its there becuase you do not need to speak to the NPC to update/retake a quest after taking your reward... now if you were talking about ... hmmm Madstone Crater or Crucible or PoP which are required to update as they form part of the Gianthold quest chain.. then I could start to agree its a bug but Cabal and the rest are merely side quests and it acts as a time saving exercise.. why is this a bad thing and certainly not considered a bug, unless you like to keep parties waiting because of your lapses in concentration... :rolleyes:

[Phemt81]

Ah! Thanks! Didn't see it before!
That may be the case I experienced as well, since it was one particular windows update that caused my game to start "crashing the video driver". At the time, I remember even updating my graphic's card BIOS. Didn't change anything...
Never happened on windows 7 though, with everything absolutely up to date. Even updated my motherboard's BIOS, which I'll add, made one other specific issue disapear!
The issue was:
In some areas my game client would just freeze. If I alt+tab to windows desktop, I could see it taking all the processor time it could, even though it normally doesn't when you ALT+TAB. It would happen for *sure* in the Tower Cave (ToD entrance) and almost for sure inside the twelve tower and in the room where the planescalar is. Also, when opening an epic chest in Tide Turns, Devil Assault and possible some others. Some other random places as well, but nowhere near as frequent as those metioned before.
This issue reduced frequency when I reinstalled the game client, but it disapeared when I updated my BIOS. I haven't experienced this issue since ever, can't specify since when though. Perhaps since the update in which the stormreach assault pack was launched.

You are welcome! And very nice post; that could help people with same issue you had! Care to indicate what kind of machine was affected by that anomaly? :)

[Bloodstealer]

Ah! Thanks! Didn't see it before!

That may be the case I experienced as well, since it was one particular windows update that caused my game to start "crashing the video driver". At the time, I remember even updating my graphic's card BIOS. Didn't change anything...

Never happened on windows 7 though, with everything absolutely up to date. Even updated my motherboard's BIOS, which I'll add, made one other specific issue disapear!

The issue was:
In some areas my game client would just freeze. If I alt+tab to windows desktop, I could see it taking all the processor time it could, even though it normally doesn't when you ALT+TAB. It would happen for *sure* in the Tower Cave (ToD entrance) and almost for sure inside the twelve tower and in the room where the planescalar is. Also, when opening an epic chest in Tide Turns, Devil Assault and possible some others. Some other random places as well, but nowhere near as frequent as those metioned before.

This issue reduced frequency when I reinstalled the game client, but it disapeared when I updated my BIOS. I haven't experienced this issue since ever, can't specify since when though. Perhaps since the update in which the stormreach assault pack was launched.

Game freezing cvould be down to hardware issues, heat or maybe driver incompatability... your Bios update may well have helped with conflicts maybe.

Re Alt tabbing (this being a multi tasking operation), can cause issues with resource intensive situations such as gaming (mmo's especially) as if you have insufficient memory for instasnce it will cause the game to stall.

On 32-bit machines running modern MMO's this can be noticeable as the max memory that it will utilise is around 3.25Gb.. a limitation of 32-Bit OS... Win 7 (if using 64-Bit) will allow you to utilise more than 4GB of memory which will imporove your multi-tasking ability depending on how much you have installed.
However as DDO is a 32-Bit process it will still only utilise the 3.25GB not for example 8GB.
The most important thing I look to do is keep my sound and GPU drivers up to date as well as Bios.. which it sounds like you have done and has resolved your initial issues.

One thing I have noticed.. not so much with DDO but with other MMO's, I have an ATI Radeon HD6670 Graphics card, whcih has its own HD sound drivers... these have conflicted with my other sound drivers (Realtek HD sound)... I found which device location corresponded to whcih device and disabled it in device manager... this not only eliminated broken sound issues, which often appeared to be game lag but also random lock-ups I was suffering.

Im not overly IT techy so some of the info might be a little off track but I think its not far wrong, if at all.

[danotmano1998]

I have an ATI Radeon HD6670 Graphics card, whcih has its own HD sound drivers... these have conflicted with my other sound drivers (Realtek HD sound)... I found which device location corresponded to whcih device and disabled it in device manager... this not only eliminated broken sound issues, which often appeared to be game lag but also random lock-ups I was suffering.


Thanks for this post, +1.
Occasionally I get wierd sound glitches as well, I shall have to try disabling the on board sound and see if that helps.

Good idea!

[Bloodstealer]

Thanks for this post, +1.
Occasionally I get wierd sound glitches as well, I shall have to try disabling the on board sound and see if that helps.

Good idea!

I forgot to note.. i tried disabling both (not at same time obviusly :D) and I found it was actually the Radeon HD sound drivers to be the issue... I disabled it and the Realtek ones run like a dream... might be worth checking out the realtek or similar webiste for their relevant driver updates... not always the sound card or in my case graphics HD sound drivers.

[Nospheratus]

You are welcome! And very nice post; that could help people with same issue you had! Care to indicate what kind of machine was affected by that anomaly? :)
The motherboard is a rampage formula with an ATI Sapphire HD 4780 512MB, 8gb of ram.
EDIT: oh, and windows 7 professional 64 bit


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Lack of resources has never been the case, nor too much heat.

Something was, and I can't say for sure what it was.

[Phemt81]

Once again you fail in reading comprehension...why is this a bad thing and certainly not considered a bug, unless you like to keep parties waiting because of your lapses in concentration... :rolleyes:

Since when a bug is considered such only when disadvantageous to players?
It's strange since you are talking about exploits all the time...

And what about lapses in concentration? Don't know what you mean boy...


SO.. I AM STILL STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A BUG?... you really need to try and understand what a bug really is and perhaps try to stop whinning so much...

Me? Or were you talking to yourself maybe?


they are not paid to sort out your inability to read or to help you replace something you lost trying to exploit the game to get a second.... that's a personal fail!

1) Stop insulting me saying i am unable to read and understand, i understand perfectly what you are doing here.

2) I didn't try to exploit anything, i just want to avoid losing items talking to npcs, don't need/wanted a second item. Also accusing someone to exploit game content is against game guidelines, since exploiting material is against CoC, you are actually defaming me. Stop it.

3) It's not a fail since you are only assuming what i wanted to do.

Now if want to continue failing your education, go on this way, but i suggest you to learn some manners before talking to strangers or you won't be considered much more than a troll or a w***e attention.

Prove me wrong like you did with your last post which is good and informative, and stop taking things personal like a child.

Thanks for posting.

[Phemt81]

Reporting two bugs found by other players in order to keep them in mind if we ever meet a similar situation ;)

Fall damage: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=371597

New inventory bug: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=371474

Thanks for reading.