Yes, another thread about TR'ing.

[Chauncey1]

I've never done it before.
And since it appears that most of my high lvl toons are just not up to snuff, I have questions about this TR business.
I have 3 capped toons, and one that soon will be.
They are:
Stalwart 3 ftr
Kensei 3 ftr
Arti
Rogue Mechanic

What is the best class to TR each toon into? Assuming I want to keep my ftrs melee/dps.
I have heard that for rogues, it's desirable to TR into another pure rogue, then to an arti.
As for my arti...I have NO idea what I should TR him to.

Thanks in advance!

[Thrudh]

Gear will do more to increase your character's power than past-lives.

I wouldn't TR until you've grinded out a few raid and Shroud items first.

To decide what to TR into, you need to look at the past-life feats and work from there...

http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats

The paladin past-life is great for any melee and the wizard past-life is great for any caster...

If you have a tank character, barbarian past-life is very good for the hit points, and +2 to intimidate.

TRing should not be a quick decision... You really should plan out what you're trying to do with the character... And again, gear is much more important than TRs... TRing can slow down your gear progression. TRing should probably be done AFTER you get some solid gear.

(Get Shroud weapons and displacement clickables and haste clickables built BEFORE you TR... Makes levels 11-20 in your second life MUCH easier and fun)

[Chauncey1]

Gear will do more to increase your character's power than past-lives.

I wouldn't TR until you've grinded out a few raid and Shroud items first.

To decide what to TR into, you need to look at the past-life feats and work from there...

http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats

The paladin past-life is great for any melee and the wizard past-life is great for any caster...

If you have a tank character, barbarian past-life is very good for the hit points, and +2 to intimidate.

TRing should not be a quick decision... You really should plan out what you're trying to do with the character... And again, gear is much more important than TRs... TRing can slow down your gear progression. TRing should probably be done AFTER you get some solid gear.

(Get Shroud weapons and displacement clickables and haste clickables built BEFORE you TR... Makes levels 11-20 in your second life MUCH easier and fun)

Excellent advice, thanks!

[Infant]

Maybe look through the wiki and try to understand what the different past lifes are good for? I mean the better you understand your class, the more powerful your character will be. This would help much more than any TRing.

[der_kluge]

I have two "main" characters. One is on a 3rd life,and the other on a 2nd - though I have her 3rd life planned out.

The game does not work very well if you have too many main characters. Raid loot mostly binds to character, so you'll find that you end up with loot on one character that you want on another one. I'd pick one of the fighters to be a more melee-focused TR character, and then pick your arty or rogue to be more of a "utility" focused, or perhaps spellcasting character.

A lot of folks will focus on arcane past lives to create the most badass wizard or sorcerer they can. Others go for the melee route, taking past lives of barb, ftr, rgr, monk, etc. It also makes the gear management a little easier.

[Chauncey1]

Thanks all for the advice, I will definitely read up on that wiki link.
What are your thoughts on LR and GR? My main has feats I wish I'd never taken, would it be worth it to totally respec and get rid of the stupid feats I've got?

[eonfreon]

Thanks all for the advice, I will definitely read up on that wiki link.
What are your thoughts on LR and GR? My main has feats I wish I'd never taken, would it be worth it to totally respec and get rid of the stupid feats I've got?

Depends on how much of your character you want to respec. If it's just a feat or 2 it will be cheaper to get a Dragon Shard and swap using Fred, but it might not be easier due to how your feats may be set up and how willing you are to wait 3 days to change out the Feats individually and depending on when you got your Feats you may not be ableto switch it out for the feat you want, or may have to put "spaceholder" Feats until you can fix a prereq or something. Can be very annoying, I know, I once converted a regular Ranger to a Tempest when it came out.. it was a PITA to switch out the Feats to get the Feat chain for Tempest in order. If you want to change a bunch of Feats all at once or want to switch stats and skill points around then a LR is the way to go (or GR if you want to upgrade a 28 pt to 32 pt build in the process- as long as you have 32 pt unlocked that is).

Just pay real close attention when you're LRing. If you make a mistake during the process you'll be unlikely to fix it until you can LR again. A friend of mine accidentally hit THF when he wanted TWF. He didn't notice until he couldn't pick ITWF. He got the full TWF line anyway but wound up with a wasted THF Feat that he needed to switch out. Luckily he just went to Fred afterwards and switched THF out, but that isn't always an option. Once you finish a level up on the boat you can't go back, you have to complete the process, so you can't fix an error. Make sure you pay close attention if you LR!

[Ryan220]

Hi there

thought I'd add my bit.

It's not the best way but it's the way I'm currently doing it.

I like the journey to cap, so with my current TR I just took my Wizard to cap and TRd him straight away into a Sorcerer.. He has no torq or other fancy gear, but I'm not a great fan of endgame anyway.

As has been rightly said, the smoothest way is to gear up before Tring , but it's not essential.. You can gear him bit by bit along the way.

Also, the make sure you trial the class you're Tring into first if you haven't run it before as it won't be much fun levelling a tr build that you don't like

I had a fighter that I TRd into a pure warchanter that worked very well.

Remember to take your greater learning tome (if you have one) before you tr though.

Above all, have fun

[Xezno]

For a caster TR i wouldnt care to get much equipment first as equipment arent as essential to those builds. For Melee toons i would get a GS weapon and maybe some AC gear for low levels.

[svinja]

Thanks all for the advice, I will definitely read up on that wiki link.
What are your thoughts on LR and GR? My main has feats I wish I'd never taken, would it be worth it to totally respec and get rid of the stupid feats I've got?

LR/GR is great and works just as well for fixing "broken" characters. TR gives you 2 more build points and a past life, though. So decide whether what you would gain from a TR is worth the grind back to 20 for you. Also, if one of the mistakes you made is choosing the wrong race, TRing is the only option.

Just make sure you run your build through a character generator before LRing (or before creating a character, or before TRing...). It is easy to make mistakes (on my wizard, I expected greater spell focus to be a wizard bonus feat, and was unable to take it at level 20). Such mistakes are easily avoidable by planning out your build.

[Chauncey1]

Well, I GR'd my main earlier today.
It turned out quite well. I gained about 25 hp's, got rid of the bastard sword, great sword and kama enhancements, amongst others I didn't need.
I am now strictly a khopesh sword and board Stalwart 3 fighter, with a few extra enhancement levels on Improved Sunder...and other stuff I can't remember right now...it's St. Patty's Day, I'm kinda knackered.

Anyway...I'm hittin good deal harder now, and my crits are higher as well.

Still...not perfect, but MUCH better than before.

Thanks again for the advice everyone! :D