AM SLA question

[bringjoy]

I played a Wiz to cap when the cap was 18:eek: Haven't played one since and am dusting off an old lowbie.

I'm wondering how the SLAs work. I have a Sorc with SLAs and hers are in addition to her normal spell list which is awesome as it frees up spell slots. Do the AM SLAs work like this also?

[Crann]

I played a Wiz to cap when the cap was 18:eek: Haven't played one since and am dusting off an old lowbie.

I'm wondering how the SLAs work. I have a Sorc with SLAs and hers are in addition to her normal spell list which is awesome as it frees up spell slots. Do the AM SLAs work like this also?

Yes.

Edit: Sorc SLA's are free with the Pre's. Wiz AM SLA's cost you chunks of SP. Pale Master SLA's are free with Pre.

Edit 2.0: Read this http://ddowiki.com/page/Archmage_enhancements

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Your SLA's can be Meta-Magicked for free...Maximised, Empowered, Quickened, Heightened Arcane Bolts FTW

[bringjoy]

TY for the quick replies. Yes, I love the free metas for SLA and am looking forward to the large spell selection of wizzies after so long playing a Sorc!

[Crann]

Your SLA's can be Meta-Magicked for free...Maximised, Empowered, Quickened, Heightened Arcane Bolts FTW
SLA's get Metas, but not Wiz's bolt/blast.

[Meiron]

I believe Pale Master negative energy SLAs are also not meta-able.

[trog_star]

that is, unfortunetly, correct

[Faent]

Wiz AM SLA's cost you chunks of SP.

Um, not the ones you should be taking. If you consider "3 SP" a "chunk" of SP, then you should add a disclaimer to your post indicating that you are using the term "chunks" in a radically non-standard way which would mislead any competent English speaker.

The AM Web SLA is a whole "chunk" of 3 SP. So you have infinite webs if you have Yugo pots or Conc-Opp/Transform Kinetic Energy gear.

The AM Hypnotism SLA costs a whole "chunk" of 1 SP and grants a -3 Debuff to Will Saves even if it fails to land. So that's infinite Hypnos. A Hypno/Mass Hold combo is incredibly powerful, as is a Hypno/Disco combo. Web is better, though.

These are both freely Heightened. If you're taking other SLA as an Archmage, then I'd suggest that you're doing it wrong.

[Hikup]

I believe the chunk of sp referred to is the cost of the enhancement, for example the 3 sp web reduces your total sp by 50

[Faent]

I believe the chunk of sp referred to is the cost of the enhancement, for example the 3 sp web reduces your total sp by 50

Ah, that would make more sense, in some sense, but still doesn't make sense overall.

Let's not forget that the Archmage gets more SP than the PM anyway. Archmage I grants 100 SP. AM II grants 75 SP. AM III grants 75 SP. And Archmage IV grants 75 SP. So if you move up to Archmage IV, you gain 325 SP.

AM Spell Mastery I costs 50 SP. Conjuration I - Grease costs 25. Conjuration II - Web costs 50. Secondary Spell Mastery I costs 50. And AM Secondary Spell Mastery II costs 75. So that's 250 SP. You net 75 SP.

Are you above the PM now? Yes. Lich Form grants an additional +2 INT. This doesn't amount to 75 SP. (It's probably around 50 SP, netting the AM something like 25 additional SP.) And with that comes 3 SP Webs (or 1 SP Hypnos).

So again, it's still radically misleading to claim that the AM who is doing it right is losing "chunks" of SP. They gain SP over the PM, and they can cast incredibly useful spells at almost no cost (indeed, they can cast them forever with the right gear). So again, the Archmage wins on this score.

[Crann]

I believe the chunk of sp referred to is the cost of the enhancement, for example the 3 sp web reduces your total sp by 50

Yes.


it's still radically misleading to claim that the AM who is doing it right is losing "chunks" of SP.

Huh? Where did I make such claim?

The chunk I was referring to, was an answer to a direct question posed by the OP.

He asked the difference between Sorc and Wiz SLA's.

Sorc SLA's are free.....you get them automatically with the Pre.

AM Wiz SLA's are not free, they cost you a chunk of sp. You give back a certain amount of SP in order to use the SLA. This is a difference between the mechanics of the two classes, which is the topic of this thread.

Please explain how I claiming someone would be wrong for losing chunks of sp?

The SP the SLA's cost you are extremely well spent, as long as you are using the correct ones. If you just take all of them, odds are you are wasting alot of sp.

[Nyvn]

Unless my memory has started failing the cap was never 18.

Module 6 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_6:_The_Thirteenth_Eclipse) raised it from 14 to 16.

Neither Module 7 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_7:_The_Way_of_the_Monk) or Module 8 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_8) raised the level cap.

Then the FTP launch of DDO Unlimited (http://ddowiki.com/page/Eberron_Unlimited_Release_Notes) raised the cap to 20.

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Unless my memory has started failing the cap was never 18.

Module 6 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_6:_The_Thirteenth_Eclipse) raised it from 14 to 16.

Neither Module 7 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_7:_The_Way_of_the_Monk) or Module 8 (http://ddowiki.com/page/Module_8) raised the level cap.

Then the FTP launch of DDO Unlimited (http://ddowiki.com/page/Eberron_Unlimited_Release_Notes) raised the cap to 20.

Wanted to write the same :) When was the cap 18??

[Calebro]

Wanted to write the same :) When was the cap 18??

Never, as Nyvn said.

[Spiffyspiffy]

The SP the SLA's cost you are extremely well spent, as long as you are using the correct ones.

Because of pre-req's some are very expensive. For example, enervation. The three pre-reqs are basically useless meaning you're spending 250 max sp for it. (not to mention, 4 total action points)

Don't get me wrong, a third enervation to cycle through, and a low sp for usage one at that, is nice but meh...basically it works out that the late level SLAs for AM are nearly pointless and all the benefit of AM except the second +DC in your school of choice is preloaded and available by level 9.