Stalwart III Defender and GS Khopesh

[Chauncey1]

This toon is lvl 20, my first character and has been respec'd to a comfortable 750-ish or so hps with the Stalwart 3 thingy activated.
Originally a sword n board fighter...I just recently started using dual khopeshes, one is the hooked blade of destruction, and the other is a GS Khopesh of awesomeness a friend helped me make. Think it's lit2 commander or something...I dunno, the GS lingo is like Greek to me still.

ANYWAY...
There doesn't seem to be much of a penalty switching back and forth from twf and snb.
My question is...
Should I make another GS khopesh or a gs greataxe? Not much penalty either for thf.

Thanks in advance.
:)

[Chauncey1]

*crickets*

[Mrmorphling]

Well to swing 2 khopesh and to be able to hit something small than the broad side of a barn you need a LOT of feats:
- Exotic weapon proficiency: Khopesh
- Two Weapon fightning
- Improved TWF
- Greater TWF
- Oversized TWF (optional)

So if you have the feats to spare go ahead and use 2x Lit2 or the combo you currently have; if you miss some or all of those your tohit will suffer dramatically.

Two handed fightning is efficient even w/o feat investment as your to hit isn't hindered even if speficif feats will increase your overall DPS (glancing blows)

[Nysrock]

I would go for the G.Axe myself. You really don't need as much extra feats as you would for TWF. On mine I went Dwarf and use a Dwarven Axe with THF feats while in SnB mode for the extra damage on glancing blows. It makes it easier to switch to THF that way too,

[Chauncey1]

Hmm...I'm not sure I have all those feats, I'll have to check this evening when i get home. Probably not gonna have many of those feats since it was originally created as a sword and board fighter. Probably go with the greataxe.

I also have a lvl 20 dwarf with Kensei 3 and he uses either 2 dwarven axes or a greateaxe, depending on the situation.
He usually dual wields the dwarven axes though.

[eonfreon]

Your question is a bit confusing without any idea about your character.

But the answer is simple:

If you have the full TWF chain then make yourself another Khopesh.

If you have any part of the THF chain, or no fighting chain at all, make yourself a GreatAxe.

The confusion to me is because you state that there doesn't seem to be too much penalty for switching from S&B to TWF.

Well, if you have the TWF line, there shouldn't be any penalty, other than the time to click and activate the appropriate icons, which is a tiny delay most times.

If you don't have the full TWF chain then the penalty is indeed large, because depending on which Feats you do have your offhand hits anyway from 40-60% of the time, whereas GTWF gives 80% chance. GTWF is quite better than ITWF for that reason.

If you don't have any TWF feats then you only hit 20% of the time with the offhand and you have a -6 to hit penalty with the main hand and -10 to hit with the offhand. If you don't have OTWF and you dual wield Khopeshes, then you still have a -4/-4 penalty. With OTWF you reduce it to -2/-2.

So, which Fighting Feat line do you have on your character? TWF or THF? Or neither? Most S&B characters I know have Bastard Swords or Dwarven Axs and take the THF line becuase it adds extra glancing blow damage to those weapons as well as two handed weapons.

If you don't have the TWF feats then Dual wielding is quite lackluster. A great axe would serve you better in that case.

[Chauncey1]

Your question is a bit confusing without any idea about your character.

But the answer is simple:

If you have the full TWF chain then make yourself another Khopesh.

If you have any part of the THF chain, or no fighting chain at all, make yourself a GreatAxe.

The confusion to me is because you state that there doesn't seem to be too much penalty for switching from S&B to TWF.

Well, if you have the TWF line, there shouldn't be any penalty, other than the time to click and activate the appropriate icons, which is a tiny delay most times.

If you don't have the full TWF chain then the penalty is indeed large, because depending on which Feats you do have your offhand hits anyway from 40-60% of the time, whereas GTWF gives 80% chance. GTWF is quite better than ITWF for that reason.

If you don't have any TWF feats then you only hit 20% of the time with the offhand and you have a -6 to hit penalty with the main hand and -10 to hit with the offhand. If you don't have OTWF and you dual wield Khopeshes, then you still have a -4/-4 penalty. With OTWF you reduce it to -2/-2.

So, which Fighting Feat line do you have on your character? TWF or THF? Or neither? Most S&B characters I know have Bastard Swords or Dwarven Axs and take the THF line becuase it adds extra glancing blow damage to those weapons as well as two handed weapons.

If you don't have the TWF feats then Dual wielding is quite lackluster. A great axe would serve you better in that case.

Thanks for the reply, you make good points. I probably AM having substantial penalties, but haven't noticed any as I've only just stated dual wielding.
This toon started out with the khopesh proficiency, and I took the bastard sword proficiency because someone suggested it, and I didn't know any better.

[Chauncey1]

Ok, I checked out this fighters feats and enhancements, and no, I do not have anything for TWF, or THF.
So...I will try to swap out a feat if possible to get the THF and stick with greatswords or greataxes.

Thanks for the advice everyone.
Much appreciated.

[chrichton]

This toon is lvl 20, my first character and has been respec'd to a comfortable 750-ish or so hps with the Stalwart 3 thingy activated.
Originally a sword n board fighter...I just recently started using dual khopeshes, one is the hooked blade of destruction, and the other is a GS Khopesh of awesomeness a friend helped me make. Think it's lit2 commander or something...I dunno, the GS lingo is like Greek to me still.

ANYWAY...
There doesn't seem to be much of a penalty switching back and forth from twf and snb.
My question is...
Should I make another GS khopesh or a gs greataxe? Not much penalty either for thf.

Thanks in advance.
:)
side question: I thought Stalwart Defender required sword&board for the buffs? or is it only partial buffs?

[CheeseMilk]

side question: I thought Stalwart Defender required sword&board for the buffs? or is it only partial buffs?

Nope, Staltwart and DoS get extra threat and defensive bonuses with a shield, but everything they get no matter what they're using.

[countfitz]

It sounds like you need to LR your character, to be honest.

A lesser heart is like 8 dollars in real life money, hope that's not too much. If it is, you might was well stop reading.

So, you've got, from what I've read, BOTH exotic WP khopesh AND bastard sword, which is just pointless. You have NEITHER the TWF or THF line. I am, by the way, wondering what feats you DO have, but more on that later, maybe.

So, since you have Lit II khopesh already, you want to make another one, and Lesser Reincarnate into a TWF build (you need: TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and since you're a fighter, take OTWF and exotic WP khopesh too). You'll do about 90-95% more damage than you currently are doing, so almost doubling how good you are.

Hope that helps.

[Chauncey1]

It sounds like you need to LR your character, to be honest.

A lesser heart is like 8 dollars in real life money, hope that's not too much. If it is, you might was well stop reading.

So, you've got, from what I've read, BOTH exotic WP khopesh AND bastard sword, which is just pointless. You have NEITHER the TWF or THF line. I am, by the way, wondering what feats you DO have, but more on that later, maybe.

So, since you have Lit II khopesh already, you want to make another one, and Lesser Reincarnate into a TWF build (you need: TWF, ITWF, GTWF, and since you're a fighter, take OTWF and exotic WP khopesh too). You'll do about 90-95% more damage than you currently are doing, so almost doubling how good you are.

Hope that helps.

Thanks! Yeah, been thinkin about some sort of reincarnation for sure.
This toon is not gimped...so much...anymore, but it could be a LOT better.
I took the bastard sword feat on the advice of a friend who said it was the thing to do. At that time, I thought it was sound advice...now I'm sure it was the opposite. He also said I should take the...ya know what? I'm just gonna GR this toon and do it right this time.

[Mrmorphling]

Well, the problem doesn't lie with the BS prof feat itself but with *both* BS and Khop and the general mixed feeling about TWF and THF.

If you wanted to go S&B Stalwart tank BS prof isn't a bad feat as it's the only non racial 1h weapon with glancing blow thus improved by the whole THF chain so you can dish out resonable DPS with a 2hander when needed and be an effective tank with BS + shield (in this case you'd need shield mastery and its improved cousin plus tower shield prof).

If you want to go TWF (As it seems you do to use your freshly minted khop :)) you can safely ignore the BS and focus on the whole TWF chain.