Who said slot for ranger is waste?

[k0211312d]

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Each sword deal 80~130+@ base critical damage when fully buffed with raid group & critical damage of thornlord longbow deal 350+- 20 around per single arrow(...)
Yes, without seeker option.
I had seen max accuracy +70/+70 on sword & +72 on longbow.


I can take down fully charged guild ship dummy 2times in 20sec,take fresh one first after then 50% more damage applied, second target with manyshot.
If haste effect on me, 20sec around to take down dummy with melee weapon.

Ranger is powerful dps class. range warfare & penetration effect hit multiple target & fair melee dps with special option on dual sword.

Be proud of yourself, rangers!

[Combat_Wombat]

I love my ranger but no one cares about your loot man

dumb thread is dumb, get enough loot bragging in-game congrats you have a giant pile of epic gear so does everyone else

[k0211312d]

I love my ranger but no one cares about your loot man

dumb thread is dumb, get enough loot bragging in-game congrats you have a giant pile of epic gear so does everyone else

well my point is capability on pure lv20 ranger class character.
hmm...'it takes one to know one'
Are you just glaze on my gears? not for stat or accuracy?

[Combat_Wombat]

well my point is capability on pure lv20 ranger class character.
hmm...'it takes one to know one'
Are you just glaze on my gears? not for stat or accuracy?

fine mines bigger :D

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[k0211312d]

fine mines bigger :D

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Well... If you're just talking about +1 more accuracy, I can switch to tempest ranger then get
+3 melee weapon accuracy set bonus.
the problem is damage output for melee with range & YOU CAN'T USE SLAY ARROW IN THAT STATUS!
Did you never heard about control variable?! :p lol
Ilidan & icearrow say 'You're not prepared' to tickle me.

[Bacab]

People will still point out that you are a melee with less than 500 HP...

[DrNuegebauer]

Ranger is powerful dps class. range warfare & penetration effect hit multiple target & fair melee dps with special option on dual sword.


Ok.

[k0211312d]

People will still point out that you are a melee with less than 500 HP...

That's good point. once I fill up 20th abbot run for quiver(now 14/20) initiate TR then put str,dex,con +3 tome.
Without GS item, easily go up 480 around without TOD pot or buffs.
Thank you for your advice.

[Bacab]

That's good point. once I fill up 20th abbot run for quiver(now 14/20) initiate TR then put str,dex,con +3 tome.
Without GS item, easily go up 480 around without TOD pot or buffs.
Thank you for your advice.

I like rangers. I generally play Divines and its easier to quest with Rangers than Barbs and most Fighters. A well played ranger does not need a baby-sitter.

I do like HP and yours is fine. It is close to 500 and thats enough for most things.

I just know a few people will come in here and say you have low HP, yada yada yada.

My message in a round about way...self-sufficient characters are a pleasure to group with...and full ****** DPS toons are usually a headache.

[porq]

Brag thread is brag thread.

You have a bunch of epic gear.

*golf clap*

[k0211312d]

Brag thread is brag thread.

You have a bunch of epic gear.

*golf clap*

You can get epic sand gear quick if you can run Epic wizard king,oob,cof & Epic ADQ in 30min~40min (of course kill em all npc foes)
Epic gear is nothing if you're not lazybones or good at control.
just try it & keep practice after then, whinning.

[Ausdoerrt]

While the intention may or may not be gear brag (it's certaily turning into one), what this thread does NOT do is showcase the potential of ranger class. It showcases the potential of the epic gear. Give that to any melee and they'd do well. Give that to a TWF fighter longsword kensai and he'll do better while having better tactics DCs and more HP.

You can make anything work with top-tier epic gear. Rangers are fun to play, sure, but in DDO they're more like a melee jack-of-all-trades rather than masters of their combat style.

Also, remember that the dummy's considered "helpless" so you're getting +50% to all damage.

[k0211312d]

While the intention may or may not be gear brag (it's certaily turning into one), what this thread does NOT do is showcase the potential of ranger class. It showcases the potential of the epic gear. Give that to any melee and they'd do well. Give that to a TWF fighter longsword kensai and he'll do better while having better tactics DCs and more HP.

You can make anything work with top-tier epic gear. Rangers are fun to play, sure, but in DDO they're more like a melee jack-of-all-trades rather than masters of their combat style.

Also, remember that the dummy's considered "helpless" so you're getting +50% to all damage.

Yes, it's helpless status same with combat wombat posted with his dummy(140+@ lightning damage)
If you want prove take 2times(fresh one then helpless one, I will link video clip)
Sure, pure melee dps is lesser than barbarian or fighter but like epic LOB, allround good dps for pillar or crowded robots.
If ranger's melee capability over fighter or barbarian, who will choose those class for dps source(...)

[goodspeed]

you should nab a cloak of the rock.

[Ausdoerrt]

Sure, pure melee dps is lesser than barbarian or fighter but like epic LOB, allround good dps for pillar or crowded robots.

It's not just the DPS. It's less HP. As a result, it's less survivability unless you invest rather heavily in healing amp and/or healing spell enhancements. It's quite likely that with a setup like that you'll be pulling a lot of aggro, and with <500 HP and next to no AC or DR, you become a mana sponge for healers.

[k0211312d]

It's not just the DPS. It's less HP. As a result, it's less survivability unless you invest rather heavily in healing amp and/or healing spell enhancements. It's quite likely that with a setup like that you'll be pulling a lot of aggro, and with <500 HP and next to no AC or DR, you become a mana sponge for healers.

I'm not sure you know about TOD pot, I can hit 500HP+@ without greensteel hp45 item currently when hold shipbuff.
Thus there is no problem to run epic lob each time on pure ex-guildy 12/12 run or on joint operation.
That's why blur/smoke screen on epic sirroco let user evade 20% against based on every enemy foes melee attack + displacement 50% exist on this game.

P.S.
Have you ever run epic lord of blade? or you just say it without reliable source, seriously?
Most of the time I'm dead less than 1~2times per run.
The worst record was 4~5 once.

[dredre9987]

What he is trying to say ( I think ) is that if you put that same gear on something else it will be better....

[darthhento]

Another gimp with epic gear eh?

Those aggro pulling pewpewing kiters are only good for elite Piker's Fate. And just yesterday one of those b-stards wins a roll on a Torc. Since when does pewpew need a Torc ffs!?!
Go reroll a barb and make yourself usefull.

/troll off for those that failed their check

XO, Darthwolf

[k0211312d]

Another gimp with epic gear eh?

Those aggro pulling pewpewing kiters are only good for elite Piker's Fate. And just yesterday one of those b-stards wins a roll on a Torc. Since when does pewpew need a Torc ffs!?!
Go reroll a barb and make yourself usefull.

/troll off for those that failed their check

XO, Darthwolf

'And just yesterday one of those b-stards wins a roll on a Torc. Since when does pewpew need a Torc ffs!?!'
So... are you raging at me cause you lose dice for torc?
what a lame...
I saw few tanker who can hold Elob even I strafe with manyshot.
I'm out, fishbrain.
ok next patient?

[dredre9987]

Just another troll.....enjoy

[Quarterling]

Eh... my rogue has more strength, constitution, hit points, and uses Firefox as opposed to IE. :rolleyes:

[Bacab]

Eh... my rogue has more strength, constitution, hit points, and uses Firefox as opposed to IE. :rolleyes:

Lies...you are like level 4 now! Thats what you get for TRing!

[k0211312d]

Just another troll.....enjoy

nope, once they show proper evidence what I'm wrong or not.
I didn't expect too much to ddo users.
[eve-online users who suggest dps graph / fuction / basic fomular etc. well quite nerd but reasonable]
It's not just trolling. If you can put any objection with logic.

[k0211312d]

Eh... my rogue has more strength, constitution, hit points, and uses Firefox as opposed to IE. :rolleyes:

D'oh!

[Bacab]

here is logic...

You DPS looks pretty darn good.

I would work on HP. An Elite REAVER can kill you will a failed save on a Disintegrate. If you are a melee and The Reaver can kill you...you do not deserve 2 threads dedicated to how awesome you *think* you are.

I won't even bring LoB or Epic Lailat or Horoth into this. I will just state that The Reaver can kill you.

[dredre9987]

All that gear and your saves still aren't great

[k0211312d]

All that gear and your saves still aren't great

let's see yours then. not just talking without something specific thing.
well, 36stat build can pull more fortitude save in my case.

[dredre9987]

If I cared to play a ranger I'd show you....but sadly other classes can do what a ranger does just better

[k0211312d]

If I cared to play a ranger I'd show you....but sadly other classes can do what a ranger does just better

I'm not talking about your ranger character, bring your best character with picture what you took. I don't want waste my time pointless. I say again, put specific picture with your own. then blah blah to me.

[dredre9987]

enjoy your ban or time out or whatever :)

[k0211312d]

enjoy your ban or time out or whatever :)

great... ban cause can't refutation with logic. that's your last word to me? then get off.

[bartosy]

op thought he was cool but then he took an arrow to the knee.

[k0211312d]

op thought he was cool but then he took an arrow to the knee.

ouch, it's ok. :D
I accept forum ban or account ban but I should listen clear answer from who blame ranger without logic or evidence.
If admin held dps testing & calculating during 60sec or whatever, I'll do that.
That's all.

[Josito]

TR into another class that will do much better with the same gear.

Also, I don't see what point are you trying to make by posting how good gear you have in a videogame.

[SlipperyPete]

I think rangers get a somewhat bad rep like rogues since their tempest enhancement was nerfed. They used to be the best DPS class available (talking about 2-3 years ago) and now their mortal. Like any other 'specialist' class they can be build good and played well.

They're just not the end all be all DPS machine they were 5 or so mods ago.

[k0211312d]

TR into another class that will do much better with the same gear.

Also, I don't see what point are you trying to make by posting how good gear you have in a videogame.

yeah game is just game. that's all.

[k0211312d]

I think rangers get a somewhat bad rep like rogues since their tempest enhancement was nerfed. They used to be the best DPS class available (talking about 2-3 years ago) and now their mortal. Like any other 'specialist' class they can be build good and played well.

They're just not the end all be all DPS machine they were 5 or so mods ago.

agree on it, ranger class presence paled into insignificance bit. I miss old good time what you said.

[SlipperyPete]

agree on it, ranger class presence paled into insignificance bit. I miss old good time what you said.

Their a very good and fun class to level up still but they suffer at end game. Anyone who's been around DDo enough (and not a bard) knows how the waves work.

Rangers will come again and they will go again.

[noinfo]

Each sword deal 80~130+@ base critical damage when fully buffed with raid group & critical damage of thornlord longbow deal 350+- 20 around per single arrow(...)
Yes, without seeker option.
I had seen max accuracy +70/+70 on sword & +72 on longbow.


I can take down fully charged guild ship dummy 2times in 20sec,take fresh one first after then 50% more damage applied, second target with manyshot.
If haste effect on me, 20sec around to take down dummy with melee weapon.

Ranger is powerful dps class. range warfare & penetration effect hit multiple target & fair melee dps with special option on dual sword.

Be proud of yourself, rangers!

Look I like my ranger alot, but I had to deep splash him to get anywhere near what I wanted and even then I am thinking reversing the class split would have been better for me.

Looking at your screen shot I am seeing a sub 500 hp melee with 0 defense except for some self healing which means on some epic bosses you know yourself you would be lucky to servive going into melee range long enough for the mass heals to hit you. No AC means that even on non epic content you are going to be slammed regulary if you enter melee instead of ranged. You melee damage is ordinary even with reasonable gear.

Unfortunately even in Ranged combat that you are specialised in a kensai 3/AA is going to have more hp and significantly better dps. And then in melee they are going to be better there too.

I really like the sentiment of what you are doing. It certainly shows that Rangers can be a viable choice for a slot yes if geared and played well.

My splash has done things like solo vod, 3 man TOD where I tanked Horoth for what seemed forever but that was certainly not because of the uberness of the Ranger Class, it was because of the synergy of the classes I split along with massive gear and I am certain I could make another split that could do the job better than it is now with the Ranger Class in the current state.

So I congratulate your sentiment but unfortunately even fully geared the pure class just seems so lacking.

[Aaxeyu]

nope, once they show proper evidence what I'm wrong or not.
I didn't expect too much to ddo users.
[eve-online users who suggest dps graph / fuction / basic fomular etc. well quite nerd but reasonable]
It's not just trolling. If you can put any objection with logic.

Why don't you show some evidence that you are right? You are the one who is trying to prove something here after all.
If your point is that rangers are equal to or more powerful than other classes would it not be reasonable and logical to present some data on at least some other class aswell?

You can't make a comparison when you only have one object. But what do I know about logic :rolleyes:

[noinfo]

I think rangers get a somewhat bad rep like rogues since their tempest enhancement was nerfed. They used to be the best DPS class available (talking about 2-3 years ago) and now their mortal. Like any other 'specialist' class they can be build good and played well.

They're just not the end all be all DPS machine they were 5 or so mods ago.

Its not just that Rangers were nerfed though, it is also that other melee have all received buffs.

SD + DOS Stances
Barb damage boost
Monk Stances
Rangers got... the shaft? :D


They have significantly lower HP, Lower DPS and by themselves No AC where AC matters unless splashed.
Currently the only thing they have going for them is versatility in combat styles.

[noinfo]

If I cared to play a ranger I'd show you....but sadly other classes can do what a ranger does just better

Though to be honest that is not the class but the way DDO has worked their enhancements, nothing more, and that needs to be fixed.

[k0211312d]

Why don't you show some evidence that you are right? You are the one who is trying to prove something here after all.
If your point is that rangers are equal to or more powerful than other classes would it not be reasonable and logical to present some data on at least some other class aswell?

You can't make a comparison when you only have one object. But what do I know about logic :rolleyes:

Nice opinion.
hmm should I post a video with ex-guildy who play barbarian(but not TRed maybe), got E sword of swadow & E marlith chain & E gloves of claw & bracers of claw with TOD ravager set if he agree on my action?
Good armed barbarian indeed, but not sure he want hit dummy for this(...)
It looks hard to setup line, calculate - accumulated dps in current ddo client system during specific time term.
If you have any good idea, I'll try for it.
Thank you.

[noinfo]

Nice opinion.
hmm should I post a video with ex-guildy who play barbarian(but not TRed maybe), got E sword of swadow & E marlith chain & E gloves of claw & bracers of claw with TOD ravager set if he agree on my action?
Good armed barbarian indeed, but not sure he want hit dummy for this(...)
It looks hard to setup line, calculate - accumulated dps in current ddo client system during specific time term.
If you have any good idea, I'll try for it.
Thank you.

He will probably still take you on this but this would be your best chance at beating him, because unless he is using a blasting chime and/or improved sunder he is not going to be able to crit the dummy and that is a HUGE difference in dps (as your dps is signifcantly smaller crit range) and unlike your dps it will not time out in 20 seconds or so.

[k0211312d]

He will probably still take you on this but this would be your best chance at beating him, because unless he is using a blasting chime and/or improved sunder he is not going to be able to crit the dummy and that is a HUGE difference in dps (as your dps is signifcantly smaller crit range) and unlike your dps it will not time out in 20 seconds or so.

yousun. he is offline now. I'll suggest once he is online.

[Munkenmo]

well my point is capability on pure lv20 ranger class character.
hmm...'it takes one to know one'
Are you just glaze on my gears? not for stat or accuracy?

looked at your stats, saw 5 piece abisai, saw odd con. decided you'd be better off with gloves of claw set.

not impressed, your clearly a gimp ranger.

[k0211312d]

looked at your stats, saw 5 piece abisai, saw odd con. decided you'd be better off with gloves of claw set.

not impressed, your clearly a gimp ranger.

It can be even stat when TR for 36stat & use 3tome of str and dex then -1point from max str & dex for more con.
gimp ranger is ok, so what's the non gimp? and how about you...?
Identify yourself with your character, keyboard warrior.

* munkenmo is your best toon and non gimp character? lol Look who's talking?

[Infant]

'And just yesterday one of those b-stards wins a roll on a Torc. Since when does pewpew need a Torc ffs!?!'
So... are you raging at me cause you lose dice for torc?
what a lame...
I saw few tanker who can hold Elob even I strafe with manyshot.
I'm out, fishbrain.
ok next patient?

I think you missed the sarcasm check.

My bard has more HP than that. You make it unnecessarily difficult on the healers in some raids. Where Mass Heal every 6 seconds would be enough they would have to cast Mass Cures in between. But if you can push it well over 500 with some gear/pots, I guess it's ok.

Infant

[Ashlayna]

I can't help it, I'm having Blood Sport flash backs: "Impressive, but dummy not hit back", roughly paraphrased of course, and false, if you use Vicious. I've already read a couple of threads about incapped people at the training dummy.

I stand by my post in the wasted party slot thread though, roughly: No, but I won't debate it, I'll just go solo it while you try to fill.

[cpito]

I'll be impressed by your ranger when you're an AA hate tanking Horoth ;)

[Ashlayna]

I'll be impressed by your ranger when you're an AA hate tanking Horoth ;)

Oh come on, you could have picked something harder, I've already hate tanked raid/elite quest bosses on this toon, and I'm not even capped yet. I mean, that troll boss in the end of VoN3 really hated my Flaming Burst bow tied in with my Acid Imbue.

[NaturalHazard]

I'll be impressed by your ranger when you're an AA hate tanking Horoth ;)

hasnt groddon999 done this?

Ive done it on my tempest ranger a few times and seen a few other tempests do it. My case was the tank died and I had aggro.

[k0211312d]

Oh come on, you could have picked something harder, I've already hate tanked raid/elite quest bosses on this toon, and I'm not even capped yet. I mean, that troll boss in the end of VoN3 really hated my Flaming Burst bow tied in with my Acid Imbue.

Hmm I had tank conjoined abishai on epic raid. Maintanker fallen then I burden that task during rest 80% hp bar. Oh sure, no pots. Ddokorea's raid run don't spend mana pot exception was just elob

[Ashlayna]

Oh come on, you could have picked something harder, I've already hate tanked raid/elite quest bosses on this toon, and I'm not even capped yet. I mean, that troll boss in the end of VoN3 really hated my Flaming Burst bow tied in with my Acid Imbue.

Sorry to quote myself here, but better to do that than to ninja edit:

I should have said successfully there, as I didn't die doing it. I should also note that it was without the benefit of Many Shot, since I used that on the beholder, and it was on C/D, and I don't have 10k Stars. You don't have to intim to hate tank, you can do it with DPS, and that's how I did it. When the purple numbers start flying off, you're going to generate plenty of hate.

[cpito]

hasnt groddon999 done this?

Ive done it on my tempest ranger a few times and seen a few other tempests do it. My case was the tank died and I had aggro.

I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest as he runs a truly impressive ranger. Peech has hate tanked Horoth but it was much like yours where the main tank either died or got banished during the Sulu fight.

I'm very sick and thus brain addled so I didn't get my original point across well which is accomplishments against the training dummy are nothing compared to accomplishments vs end-game bosses.

[ValenGodspeed]

I just read through this thread, and one thing kinda stuck with me, the debate seem to boil down to whether a character equipped with only epics and TOD gear is viable for end game. My ranger, which I cant link here due to Turbines database problems on MyDDO, have somewhat comparable gear, and if this is the basis for any end game ranger then I hope no new players read this because it took me quite some time to get this gear.
In short rangers need some loving at some point.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Screen Shot of Solo EADQ, SS of Solo Elite Sins, SS of Solo Elite Reaver's Fate

He77 how bout SS of ANY SOLO Epic or Elite Amarath, Elite VoD w/e

SS something you have actually done and accomplished with the toon besides j3r%!in off the dummy (oh wait was that too much LOL)

[k0211312d]

Screen Shot of Solo EADQ, SS of Solo Elite Sins, SS of Solo Elite Reaver's Fate

He77 how bout SS of ANY SOLO Epic or Elite Amarath, Elite VoD w/e

SS something you have actually done and accomplished with the toon besides j3r%!in off the dummy (oh wait was that too much LOL)
Sniff ghallanda forum, i posted elob completion, noobie.
Oh, I will not run eadq on solo. Why should I do that dumb action for you?
If you want, I will post exquisite spirit & frags in my green bag. It means beat epic lob manytimes.
Enough is enough to treat fishbrain like you everytime.

[Infant]

let's see yours then. not just talking without something specific thing.
well, 36stat build can pull more fortitude save in my case.

Are you serious? 30ish in all saves is certainly not bad, it's ok. But by far not enough to brag about it. And certainly not enough to call people out. Browse the accomplishment section, if you want. You will find plenty of posts from people with 40+ in all saves. And who has accomplished something in addition (like soloing VoD or similar).

Like someone pointed out, an elite Reaver (lvl 16 raid) can one shot you. Malicia probably as well. You will make healers swat when fighting eVelah. Or elite Harry I guess.

Infant

[Infant]

Sniff ghallanda forum, i posted elob completion, noobie.
Oh, I will not run eadq on solo. Why should I do that dumb action for you?

You keep calling people names.

You brag without having something to brag about. Everything we see is a semi-gimp toon (ok, maybe not really gimp. But without any information about the player, I would take someone else with higher saves and more HP) with tons of epic gear.

[k0211312d]

You keep calling people names.

You brag without having something to brag about. Everything we see is a semi-gimp toon (ok, maybe not really gimp. But without any information about the player, I would take someone else with higher saves and more HP) with tons of epic gear.

I don't care they call brag or not. I posted this cause pure lv20 ranger is not sucks as you thought.
Bunch of nuts just watching items and yelling like monkey.
My point is not on super uber, pure ranger can work their own role well.

[grodon9999]

hasnt groddon999 done this?

Ive done it on my tempest ranger a few times and seen a few other tempests do it. My case was the tank died and I had aggro.

Tempest and only on hard. For Elite I bring my fighter or (preferably) my pally. I did have an AA tank Elite Sulu once but she was a weird splash-build.

Soturi was my healer on this so that in and of itself should be considered an achievement.

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Now there are some things my ranger can do better than my fighter/pally . . . tanking Horoth ain't one of them :) But in say EVON6 if the caster dies on base 1 I know my ranger can run over there and solo it, I've even done that intentionally a few times. My fighter would be toast if he tried.

In perfect groups my other (melee) toons are better, but in not-so-perfect groups I'll take the versatility or my Exploiter anytime.

[Infant]

I posted this cause pure lv20 ranger is not sucks as you thought.
.

What people are trying to tell you is that you picked the wrong example.

[k0211312d]

Are you serious? 30ish in all saves is certainly not bad, it's ok. But by far not enough to brag about it. And certainly not enough to call people out. Browse the accomplishment section, if you want. You will find plenty of posts from people with 40+ in all saves. And who has accomplished something in addition (like soloing VoD or similar).

Like someone pointed out, an elite Reaver (lvl 16 raid) can one shot you. Malicia probably as well. You will make healers swat when fighting eVelah. Or elite Harry I guess.

Infant

Are you sure 40ish save on each type/total 3kinds, without pally, other buff effect nearby? And they get evasion effect? Consider various thing. First of all, let's see screenshot of them.

[grodon9999]

I don't care they call brag or not. I posted this cause pure lv20 ranger is not sucks as you thought.
Bunch of nuts just watching items and yelling like monkey.
My point is not on super uber, pure ranger can work their own role well.

Pure ranger is fine, first toon was a pure, but you can gain SO much splashing two levels that even on an AA it makes sense to do so. It's amazing what you'll gain from and extra feat or two, not to mention the haste-boost and sneak attack of a rogue splash. UMD, etc . . . I just don't see much reason to go pure.

over the 18/1/1 you get two points of BAB, 2 points FE damage, and 1 more FE.

That's nice, very nice but it doesn't equal the advantages you get from high UMD, sneak-attack, epic-capable trap skills, AC, handwrap usage (for making the Abbot your biatch).

That said I've run with you and you're a good player, an asset to a party. Anyone who'd turn you down is an idiot.

And about the "500 HP melee" thing . . . most of the big hits in the game are AOE spells with a reflex save and getting a buffed 40+ reflex on a ranger is not hard. Most of the big hits that'd kill you would miss. In other places madstone boots work wonders for when you need to be a "barbarian' for two minutes like tanking eChrono or the end-bosses in EDA.

[Candela90]

Well yeah. Good ranger.
The thing is with THIS gear u can get super-extra results on other class like e.g. fighter, monk, rogue.
And more hp.
On ranger its just normal and pretty good melee.

[k0211312d]

Well yeah. Good ranger.
The thing is with THIS gear u can get super-extra results on other class like e.g. fighter, monk, rogue.
And more hp.
On ranger its just normal and pretty good melee.

Right, but I enjoy pure ranger role(...)

[ValenGodspeed]

Right, but I enjoy pure ranger role(...)

Yeah so the net result is that our epic geared rangers end up comparing to other classes with lesser gear, this may be the center of the problem (if you want to call it that). I like it no more than you do.

[Candela90]

Right, but I enjoy pure ranger role(...)

Well i dont call it a bad thing. Id never play character i cant enjoy.
But still... considering u can take the same as here geared ranger or the same geared any melee.... Its still kinda a waste

Even tho i accept rangers 1-2 rangers in raid, cause i like to have less job healing. At least they can survive if i need to blink,. Not only they can tho.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Sniff ghallanda forum, i posted elob completion, noobie.
Oh, I will not run eadq on solo. Why should I do that dumb action for you?
If you want, I will post exquisite spirit & frags in my green bag. It means beat epic lob manytimes.
Enough is enough to treat fishbrain like you everytime.

Gratz! You Completed Epic Raids with a Group

/golf clap

w/e

Having a Toon full of Epic Gear or Bag Full of Epic Bits proves ABSOLUTELY nothing in light of the recent Bag Fiasco

Screenshots of your INGREDIENTS bag PFFFTT

LOOOOOOOLLLLIN MAO

Permadeath Players do more impressive achievements DAILY and in each and every quest they play

Your OP and SS of hott dummy lovin ONLY shows you spent more time grinding...

SCREENSHOT something...ANYTHING to prove how uber you claim to be....

[Blackheartox]

Huh? braging thread?
Gear=grind
Exploit=no gear grinding

Ranger=Needed for completionist feat & Good plife for arti
Overall useful plife. Maybe good 3 times stacked dont know yet, will see on main.

[Infant]

Are you sure 40ish save on each type/total 3kinds, without pally, other buff effect nearby? And they get evasion effect? Consider various thing. First of all, let's see screenshot of them.

Just to prove a point. This is not my character, for the record:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=324264

Both important saves are 40+ (will save is simply unimportant in almost all endgame) and evasion. Along with nice HP and very nice AC. This character has very nice defenses, contrary to yours, which has almost none (not even HP). Again, maybe you have nice DPS due to all the nice gear. But without any information about the player behind the keyboard I would rather take someone with 5-10% less DPS but 550 HP and better saves (That is if we talk about a PuG group). Just saying...

[k0211312d]

Just to prove a point. This is not my character, for the record:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=324264

Both important saves are 40+ (will save is simply unimportant in almost all endgame) and evasion. Along with nice HP and very nice AC. This character has very nice defenses, contrary to yours, which has almost none (not even HP). Again, maybe you have nice DPS due to all the nice gear. But without any information about the player behind the keyboard I would rather take someone with 5-10% less DPS but 550 HP and better saves (That is if we talk about a PuG group). Just saying...

Yes this is really splendid work. Thanks for your efforts, dig up & link. It's just wow.

[grodon9999]

How can this be a bragging thread? I don't see any pictures of rats.

[k0211312d]

Gratz! You Completed Epic Raids with a Group

/golf clap

w/e

Having a Toon full of Epic Gear or Bag Full of Epic Bits proves ABSOLUTELY nothing in light of the recent Bag Fiasco

Screenshots of your INGREDIENTS bag PFFFTT

LOOOOOOOLLLLIN MAO

Permadeath Players do more impressive achievements DAILY and in each and every quest they play

Your OP and SS of hott dummy lovin ONLY shows you spent more time grinding...

SCREENSHOT something...ANYTHING to prove how uber you claim to be....

Will you suggest way to calculate dps without dummy? I wish somekind of eft program for thisgame. Lol

[Infant]

Will you suggest way to calculate dps without dummy? I wish somekind of eft program for thisgame. Lol

Yeah... If only there was a DPS calculator where you could choose your class, gear, buffs, enemy resistances and fortification. Such a tool would help us compare build and gear setups at least in theoretical scenarios to obtain benchmarks. If only it existed...

Oh wait... nvm.

[thwart]

You have very little sonic resistance, its almost embarrassing. Back to the drawing board I think.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Solo First Fire Giant Boss in Epic Claw is a good test of melee DPS AND Survivability I think, other people may suggest a better test scenario...(like do it with a caster lol)

Static Mathematically Theoretic DPS Calculations DO NOT reflect actual gameplay and don't test your survivability or ability to adapt to changing battlefield conditions...

You've put in the time to get some pretty nice gear....,Now, go push some limits and come back to brag...

[Infant]

Static Mathematically Theoretic DPS Calculations DO NOT reflect actual gameplay and don't test your survivability or ability to adapt to changing battlefield conditions...


Of course not. But they are nice to obtain an idea of the numbers. And definitely better than the dummy :).

[Munkenmo]

It can be even stat when TR for 36stat & use 3tome of str and dex then -1point from max str & dex for more con.
gimp ranger is ok, so what's the non gimp? and how about you...?
Identify yourself with your character, keyboard warrior.

* munkenmo is your best toon and non gimp character? lol Look who's talking?

sigh, thanks for the neg rep, you clearly need thicker skin.

munkenmo is my favorite toon, far from my best geared as i'm constantly TRing him. Though the fact that i very rarely ever get declined from groups proves peoples claims that gear helps all toons, it's still the player that makes them.

p.s. i don't have anything against a 5 peice abishai set. Thus I've got one on my pally (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/gimpenmo/)

But given that you do have an odd con in what seems to be your dps mode on the dummy atm the claw set looks like your better option.

Oh and my own gimp ranger (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/hannenmo/) sadly who also has odd con.

[FengXian]

All of this is very cool but please mind OP has NOT been selected by the AA/ranged community as our Champion :P

[alexthegood]

Are you serious? 30ish in all saves is certainly not bad, it's ok. But by far not enough to brag about it. And certainly not enough to call people out. Browse the accomplishment section, if you want. You will find plenty of posts from people with 40+ in all saves. And who has accomplished something in addition (like soloing VoD or similar).

Like someone pointed out, an elite Reaver (lvl 16 raid) can one shot you. Malicia probably as well. You will make healers swat when fighting eVelah. Or elite Harry I guess.

Infant

vadx,-50+ in all saves :) my guy.

[Infant]

vadx,-50+ in all saves :) my guy.

build and breakdown pls :). And yeah ,SS or it didn't happen!

[alexthegood]

build and breakdown pls :). And yeah ,SS or it didn't happen!

ill get a ss sec


http://my.ddo.com/character/argonnessen/vadx/ cant get a dang ss to post there my saves are unbuffed.

[kingfisher]

please stop posting these low hp ranger builds you give rangers a bad name

[Ausdoerrt]

I'm not sure you know about TOD pot, I can hit 500HP+@ without greensteel hp45 item currently when hold shipbuff.
Thus there is no problem to run epic lob each time on pure ex-guildy 12/12 run or on joint operation.
That's why blur/smoke screen on epic sirroco let user evade 20% against based on every enemy foes melee attack + displacement 50% exist on this game.

And who's displacing you every 3-4 minutes in a long raid? I'm not seeing any clickys/scrolls on your hotbars, suggesting a complete lack of self-sufficiency. Casters will likely have more important things to worry about. 20% concealment won't save you if a mob can 1-shot you after passing the check.

As someone said, if you're here for bragging rights, post something that doesn't suggest being carried through by a good group. Your gear is good, but I've seen better builds, and there's nothing to demonstrate your skill as a player.



What he is trying to say ( I think ) is that if you put that same gear on something else it will be better....

That's exactly what I've said, but it didn't seem to get through.

[Chauncey1]

I love my ranger but no one cares about your loot man

dumb thread is dumb, get enough loot bragging in-game congrats you have a giant pile of epic gear so does everyone else

I don't.
:(

[FengXian]

Well if that hp is w/o GS +45, it's ok...this said, people usually get a gs hp item before all that epic stuff :D

But maybe you have the item and not the slot...who knows.

[noinfo]

And who's displacing you every 3-4 minutes in a long raid? I'm not seeing any clickys/scrolls on your hotbars, suggesting a complete lack of self-sufficiency. Casters will likely have more important things to worry about. 20% concealment won't save you if a mob can 1-shot you after passing the check.

As someone said, if you're here for bragging rights, post something that doesn't suggest being carried through by a good group. Your gear is good, but I've seen better builds, and there's nothing to demonstrate your skill as a player.




That's exactly what I've said, but it didn't seem to get through.

No trash mob is going to 1 shot him anywhere including epic.

[grodon9999]

Well if that hp is w/o GS +45, it's ok...this said, people usually get a gs hp item before all that epic stuff :D

But maybe you have the item and not the slot...who knows.

I'm justr of the mind 5-piece is a waste, too many good slots taken up for . . . some more CON?

But I'm biased and a claw-set fan anyway.

[grodon9999]

No trash mob is going to 1 shot him anywhere including epic.

Quiet . . . don't interupt somebody's ignorant tirade with facts, it ruins the amusement.

[ainmosni]

this is a total epeen thread, but Icearrow is one of the best AA's on ghallanda. i think he's a native Korean speaker so i think a lot of the ideas being presented in this thread are being lost in translation.

not that i agree with half of them, man wants to flash his epeen, let him go ahead, either disregard it or have everyone measure your own to see if you're better.

Go Go Icearrow! represent for da AA homies.

[Lehmu]

Here's what I don't get.

5-piece abishai set gives +3 con. That's +40 HP if it makes your con even, +20HP if it doesn't.

tier III GS is +45 HP.

45 > 40.

Y U no wear greensteel?

[ainmosni]

Here's what I don't get.

5-piece abishai set gives +3 con. That's +40 HP if it makes your con even, +20HP if it doesn't.

tier III GS is +45 HP.

45 > 40.

Y U no wear greensteel?

because no purple background.

[Dexxaan]

Mr OP:

Yes I'm bored and unfortunately for you I stumbled on your Gimped Ranger bragging-thread.

Yes - Gimped. Why?

Hopefully most will follow:

A) Elf - Bad choice compared to HElf or Human

B) 460 HP's (Enough Said)

C) Elf

D) 34 AC (A Kobold Shamans Daughter can smack you with her KoBarbie Doll Broomstick)

E) Elf

F) No SR; Although not a requirement, it's a nice plus to have.

E) Did I mention ELF?

That was my "light" approach to explaining your waste of Epic Gear & Weapons.

Provide a Build breakdown with Feats you managed to scrounge and Tomes, Etc and It will be a lot easier to explain from a Performance standpoint (Not a fun, romantic one...) why you chose poorly and need to TR. :cool:




.

[k0211312d]

I just woke up, checking casted net, yay. keep going guys.
once next patch applied on mainserver, I'll spam TR with +3,+4tome.
same str,dex status or more(alchemical weapon Tier 2 got alchemical stat bonus) plus 34 con stat.
Oh yes... I'll heading to bankplace then put on +HP 45 necklace and drink TOD pot before take a picture.
I swear, next time don't miss HP buffer items for HP maniacs. lol.
hmm still 540+- healthpoint blood is not enough for zombies :D

* yup you can see hard working bard or caster work for keep displacement at private channel.
I don't like lazybones. In additional raging lazybones who pursue epic gears even don't try steady.

[k0211312d]

Well if that hp is w/o GS +45, it's ok...this said, people usually get a gs hp item before all that epic stuff :D

But maybe you have the item and not the slot...who knows.

I prefer shintao TOD set for +2 damage & accuracy but not for epic lord of blade.

[k0211312d]

because no purple background.

Haha wrong! Gs concordant necklace icon Show some 'purple'

[NaturalHazard]

Here's what I don't get.

5-piece abishai set gives +3 con. That's +40 HP if it makes your con even, +20HP if it doesn't.

tier III GS is +45 HP.

45 > 40.

Y U no wear greensteel?

I wear both the 5 piece set and the greensteel most of the time on my ranger.

[BladeTricks]

yawn... wow I'd say with all those purple background items, your epeen is AT LEAST in the 4-6 inches range...

[DragonTroy]

congrats on your toon, hope you enjoy it

[toaf]

my 20 ranger could take the dummy down twice in 20 seconds with a bow even :D just to let you know

[k0211312d]

my 20 ranger could take the dummy down twice in 20 seconds with a bow even :D just to let you know

Yeah it's cakewalk.

[Lehmu]

I wear both the 5 piece set and the greensteel most of the time on my ranger.

I do that too on my rogue. Thing is, if it's either or, no point in 5-piece over GS for HP.

[Shmuel]

'And just yesterday one of those b-stards wins a roll on a Torc. Since when does pewpew need a Torc ffs!?!'
So... are you raging at me cause you lose dice for torc?
what a lame...
I saw few tanker who can hold Elob even I strafe with manyshot.
I'm out, fishbrain.
ok next patient?

Of course you can pull aggro with manyshot. why would you want to? why even try? pull the aggro from the tank and wipe the raid- yeah thats uber...

[k0211312d]

Of course you can pull aggro with manyshot. why would you want to? why even try? pull the aggro from the tank and wipe the raid- yeah thats uber...

Get uber tanker who can hold aggro or control burst. would you let them wipe out? I'm not(...)

[k0211312d]

Solo First Fire Giant Boss in Epic Claw is a good test of melee DPS AND Survivability I think, other people may suggest a better test scenario...(like do it with a caster lol)

Static Mathematically Theoretic DPS Calculations DO NOT reflect actual gameplay and don't test your survivability or ability to adapt to changing battlefield conditions...

You've put in the time to get some pretty nice gear....,Now, go push some limits and come back to brag...

Yup done this. just cakewalk, took 5min for recorded one(I'll try for better output) I got only shipbuff,haste,gh myself - that's all.
Do you know epic sirroco knock down that firegiant & pinned down it? It's good for survival factor.
If I surrender longbow dps, fire giant can not get up when I keep hit on it.
* I can craft bane arrow, but in this test just spent flat returning +5 arcane arrow.

http://youtu.be/i2E92v5SpI0

well... not impressive as str +70 & critical hit over 600~800, but field test damage score let more than just dummy. bit ironic.

P.S. this video clip, it took 5min exactly. (haste,shipbuffs,self ram's might - that's all damage factor buff I took. knock down few times by giant, first time put on gem of many facets, not blood stone. you can check difference of critical output score on sword and bow.)

[alexthegood]

Yup done this. just cakewalk, took 5min for recorded one(I'll try for better output) I got only shipbuff,haste,gh myself - that's all.
Do you know epic sirroco knock down that firegiant & pinned down it? It's good for survival factor.
If I surrender longbow dps, fire giant can not get up when I keep hit on it.
* I can craft bane arrow, but in this test just spent flat returning +5 arcane arrow.

http://youtu.be/i2E92v5SpI0

well... not impressive as str +70 & critical hit over 600~800, but field test damage score let more than just dummy. bit ironic.

P.S. this video clip, it took 5min exactly. (haste,shipbuffs,self ram's might - that's all damage factor buff I took. knock down few times by giant, first time put on gem of many facets, not blood stone. you can check difference of critical output score on sword and bow.)

i love elf rangers.,helfs and humans are ugly.

[FengXian]

I'm having a hard time fitting in 3 piece set, let alone 5 :/ dunno how you do it.

AAs can be good regardless...I just wouldn't go ranger 20 right now since, if nothing has changed, I think the capstone still gives +12/13% instead of +25% (reload animation unaffected).

[k0211312d]

I'm having a hard time fitting in 3 piece set, let alone 5 :/ dunno how you do it.

AAs can be good regardless...I just wouldn't go ranger 20 right now since, if nothing has changed, I think the capstone still gives +12/13% instead of +25% (reload animation unaffected).

I can solo scroll farming on e chronoscope with ranger character.
My ex-guild ddokorea season2 got many seasoned user who play since late 2006.
So, we can make & run full 12/12 roster for raid.
Elite of the elite, ex guild master's compltionist wizard got 50int if he want with any method.
He got 2 tier 3 grade alchemical weapon now.

* korean user not only play starcraft, but also another game too.

[FengXian]

I can solo scroll farming on e chronoscope with ranger character.
My ex-guild ddokorea season2 got many seasoned user who play since late 2006.
So, we can make & run full 12/12 roster for raid.
Elite of the elite, ex guild master's compltionist wizard got 50int if he want with any method.
He got 2 tier 3 grade alchemical weapon now.

* korean user not only play starcraft, but also another game too.

No no, I mean, hard time equipping 3 pieces. No slots, need to equip other stuff too, that's what I mean.

[k0211312d]

No no, I mean, hard time equipping 3 pieces. No slots, need to equip other stuff too, that's what I mean.

If you want more hp & concordant option you can put necklace on that setting.
Yes mine is just sample and suitable for me.
Auto resist 30 for most kind elements.
Wizardry VI on helmet(shintao ring got wis6 or on concordant necklace)
Poison immunity on bracers
Fear immunity on gloves
Disease immunity & exceptional constitution +1 on boots
All save +2 on clock, it stack with eldritch ritual allsave +1. Total +3.
I prefer crystal effects than madstone boots. But able to change after TR once more and get 34 con stat+@

* belt got str+7 & heavy fortification & greater false life & toughness. That's the key to save slot & get everything you need. Just in my case and setting :p

[noinfo]

Screen Shot of Solo EADQ, SS of Solo Elite Sins, SS of Solo Elite Reaver's Fate

He77 how bout SS of ANY SOLO Epic or Elite Amarath, Elite VoD w/e

SS something you have actually done and accomplished with the toon besides j3r%!in off the dummy (oh wait was that too much LOL)

The problem here is while he was trying to promote rangers and I suspect showing off his gear etc too. Rangers can be a benefit to any party however I find the more pure the ranger unfortunately the weaker it is. This really has nothing to do with the actual class itself as the power of all ddo classes is from their enhancements and rangers enhancements have either been nerfed or not updated as the other melee classes have this is sad but not a reflection on the class itself.

What is really sad is people calling for what solo epics etc he has done? Cool I would love to see melee soloing quests through combat that would be a long, resource intensive process.

Solo Raids? Vod elite? Cool let me know which melee has ever done that. Mine has done normal (As a ranger and first life, very heavy splash) Failed last part in my hard attempt (this since the bosses go their update) and before I gained a substantial amount more of AC and HP and crafted more gear (so far since changes only heard of 1 person doing it and that was on a monk but could be more by now)

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m527/milacias/ScreenShot00082.jpg


Solo Amarath elite? Sure here is sins, 30 min end run killing the horned devil boss with no weaknesses. Total resources expended were maybe 4 haste pots for countering slow. Oh and I cast 2 cure spells the entire way and that was in the end boss when I chickened out and thought I might lose the race.

Oh and tanked vod elite? Have but no SS as I never really considered that an achievement (My SD is far far far better at it though)

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m527/milacias/ScreenShot00141.jpg

Can other classes do this stuff too? Sure they can because no one in his right mind would claim that Rangers are OP and currently have the worst PRE and enhancements in game, they are however a class with fantastic potential should the devs ever decide to fix them. I have posted several threads on the matter in the vain hope of it happening in U13.

To the OP its fine to be proud of rangers and they can do some great stuff but pure ranger enhancements are so far behind other melee classes saying otherwise will just bring out the hate (and in some cases just plain misinformation) as this thread has already.

[NaturalHazard]

To the OP its fine to be proud of rangers and they can do some great stuff but pure ranger enhancements are so far behind other melee classes saying otherwise will just bring out the hate (and in some cases just plain misinformation) as this thread has already.

Oh and your right there is a lot of ranger hate out there, ive seen people scoff and make fun of rangers being gimp, then seen those same people try and argue against anything to improve the enhancements or the classes itself. Hypocrites much? :rolleyes: