Run out of componets

[dragon2fire]

Prepare to get squelched.


So i hit a lfm the other night. Was for normal bastion of power. I figure sure no prob go in on my fvs solo a maralith no big deal i do this all the time. I like helping people get flagged for tod. I get in and the party has gotten itself killed. I then realize i am out of holy water and raise dead scrolls. I only carry Resurrection on my fvs i have limited spell slots and that plus scroll is usually enough. I tell the leader this on realizing it and think ok i will go get some holy water no big deal. I go to hit the reform and find that i have been squelched. Now honestly i really don't care much but i do find it amusing that some one would black list me over what is basically not paying attention to spell components. I should mention they where not far in the quest at all.

[cheekysmile]

Bit choice judging someone else when you're dead :)

[MsEricka]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Hmmm wow, what no one has ever run out of spell components before? I carry the same thing on my fvs, one spell of resurecction, and then I carry scrolls of raise dead and resurrection. If I was the leader, I would have asked you if it was not too much trouble to buy it from the ddo store, the components, and if not then when we reformed I would have expected you to grab the spell comps from the vendor right there in Amrath by the bank. To squelch you for it? Sounds like someone was ****ed from a wipe, and if their lil ego couldnt handle that so they had to squelch you, guess who's the lucky one?

[dragon2fire]

Hmmm wow, what no one has ever run out of spell components before? I carry the same thing on my fvs, one spell of resurecction, and then I carry scrolls of raise dead and resurrection. If I was the leader, I would have asked you if it was not too much trouble to buy it from the ddo store, the components, and if not then when we reformed I would have expected you to grab the spell comps from the vendor right there in Amrath by the bank. To squelch you for it? Sounds like someone was ****ed from a wipe, and if their lil ego couldnt handle that so they had to squelch you, guess who's the lucky one?

My thoughts exactly. He did me a favor i don't want to run with some one like that. I even logged onto a alt and sent him a complete list of my toons i don't want to run with that guy its a major overreaction. Its just a game folks.

[dragon2fire]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

And people wonder why its hard to find a healer on sarlona. Ok i should of had my stuff together but you know what i did not make them charge off and get them selves killed. Nor did i make them start a amrath quest with out heals. ^^

[cdr]

And people wonder why its hard to find a healer on sarlona. Ok i should of had my stuff together but you know what i did not make them charge off and get them selves killed. Nor did i make them start a amrath quest with out heals. ^^

This may sound extreme, but maybe you should do the old-skool thing and drag your spell components to a visible hotbar (or at least the important ones). Or spend a ton of $$$ on omnispell components :D

[countfitz]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

You would also not ALREADY BE DEAD in the quest. Plus, SPELL COMPONENTS. I mean, seriously, they run out.

Personally, I almost always pre ship buff, take the quest and get to the area before I join a PUG LFM, especially when it's almost full, and ALWAYS when it says IP, so I get you. But at the same time, SPELL COMPONENTS. They run out. I buy them in stacks of 1000 and never pay attention until they run out. It's just that simple. Of course, except for mushrooms and powdered saffron, it's usually not an issue. Man, Divine Punishment takes a toll!

On the plus side... Turbine's next release is supposed to have a new universal ingredient!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOT!!!!!

[countfitz]

This may sound extreme, but maybe you should do the old-skool thing and drag your spell components to a visible hotbar (or at least the important ones). Or spend a ton of $$$ on omnispell components :D

So... are the omni spell components already out?!?!?! (From my above post I obviously didn't think so, and will have to edit it!)

[cdr]

So... are the omni spell components already out?!?!?! (From my above post I obviously didn't think so, and will have to edit it!)

U13 is Very Soon, that's when they're released. And you can buy normal spell components already as mentioned above.

[Stermlin]

Yeah, MAYBE someone could be expected to have everything ready to quest down to the smallest detail. (I myself occasionally run out of spell components in the middle of a run. **** you Mushroom Powder and Saffron!) But when it comes to a group that is clearly having problems with the quest then they really shouldn't have a problem getting help anywhere they can get it.

As they say, beggars can't be choosers.

[Raolin_Darksbane]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

CuZ tHiZ mMo StUfF iZ sEeRiUzBiZnIzZ!!! And besides, I have nothing better to do with my life all day than sit and rearrange bag space and worry about components. :rolleyes:

[MsEricka]

CuZ tHiZ mMo StUfF iZ sEeRiUzBiZnIzZ!!!


Everyone in a party would whine if the healer didn't bring scrolls to keep everyone alive. Or to chug pots on a long or difficult raid like eLoB.

But it's OK for you to run out of components because... what? You're not that important? You don't think you need to contribute? Because you're lazy and want people to carry you through a quest?

Get over yourselves and realize that when you run out of something, you're no longer contributing to the party as effectively as you can. Why waste a party slot on someone like that?

[redmexz]

just re-roll , it's all overrated ok :)

[Lifespawn]

i always have my spell comp in my last bag and check them every time i log in a char that uses them this could have something to do with the fact that i can't carry 1000 of each because it's too heavy with all the other **** i have to carry but it's a good habit.

[SEMPER]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

This is just horrible / things happen you forget to check whatever It's no big deal ... just get them and come back / I'm sure it's never happened to you has it ??? get real and if you do buy them from the store good for you but I'm not wasting TP on something so stupid as components

[MsEricka]

I ran out once, and bought the components in the store. Why did I buy them? So my character could do it's job without causing issues for the rest of the raid.

This is the same thing as a tank forgetting curse pots, healers not having scrolls, melee forgetting pots. None of you find this acceptable, but running out of components somehow is?

[k1ngp1n]

You guys are all funny.

Serg is right, Sarlona does suck.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

I ran out once, and bought the components in the store. Why did I buy them? So my character could do it's job without causing issues for the rest of the raid.

This is the same thing as a tank forgetting curse pots, healers not having scrolls, melee forgetting pots. None of you find this acceptable, but running out of components somehow is?

None of it is good. Any prepared toon would check before they start a raid/quest/etc. The line seems to be that I don't think this meets sufficient criteria to boot/squelch. Do you know why? It happens. I have run out of components in quests, and yes I bought them in the ddo store. Last week it happened I ran out of spell comps for lvl V spells (hello divine punishment) and luckily there were two other cleric/fvs with me and passed some to me to get through the elite rit sac run. If they were not there I just wouldnt have cast the spell, but if it was something more critical, such as a difficult raid, I would have gotten them from the ddo store.

Yesterday, I was on my fvs in a elite vod, and one of the melees did not have curse pots and yep you guessed it kept getting cursed and had nothing to do for it. Did it **** me off? Slightly. But in a pug, and from his guild, I am not surprised. Would I hit accept if this person hit my group in the future (I did not have the star yesterday), for vod? Probably not as I have had nothing but bad experiences from this guild, or I would ensure they had curse potions as otherwise they did what they had to do, and aside from getting cursed did not take stupid dmg and fought where he should fight. Now, another person in the group, a wizard whose primary assignment was to recon the wf tank, did not have any scrolls on him, ran out of mana about half time, and we had to rearrange who was healing who, and then they had the gall to ask for a potion to reimburse themselves at the end of the raid. Just as equally unprepared, and even more so could have cost the raid as they were in a critical role. Again, yes he sure as hell should have been better prepared, and if I had the star would have been screened better, but guess what, I am not surprised, nor was I that upset to squelch. The rest of us compensated, took up the slack, and ensured a successful run. Because that is what I expect, some will be carried, and I know those that I run with are prepared if someone else doesn't fulfill their role. The line of acceptability depends on the risk.

We would all like folks to be more self sufficient, prepared, etc. But boot and squelch? No, not called for in this case. Plus, are we forgetting it was Bastion, if the group went ahead and zerged without the healer even being there, they have to deal with the mess they made, oh well.

What would qualify for me to boot? If he was asked specifically before joining did he have and he came in anyways, or after the wipe and reailzing he did not have the comps, still returned to the quest w/o having picked up the comps. Did he take his sweet time getting to the quest after joining, possibly depending on my mood. Also surely his attitude.

[jwdaniels]

I ran out once, and bought the components in the store. Why did I buy them? So my character could do it's job without causing issues for the rest of the raid.

This is the same thing as a tank forgetting curse pots, healers not having scrolls, melee forgetting pots. None of you find this acceptable, but running out of components somehow is?

You're in a raid and didn't just ask the other divine if they had some to spare? I never buy components from the guild vendors just for that reason.

[Raolin_Darksbane]

-1 for trolling, being disruptive and in general acting like you're 8 years old.

Everyone in a party would whine if the healer didn't bring scrolls to keep everyone alive. Or to chug pots on a long or difficult raid like eLoB.

But it's OK for you to run out of components because... what? You're not that important? You don't think you need to contribute? Because you're lazy and want people to carry you through a quest?

Get over yourselves and realize that when you run out of something, you're no longer contributing to the party as effectively as you can. Why waste a party slot on someone like that?

My point was simply that some of us apparently (some apparently not) realize that this IS A GAME. It's not the end of the world and in in the grand scheme of things (and the not so grand ones) it's not important. Seriously, I play this game to relax and enjoy myself. If I run out of components i laugh and will usually spend some TP to get some. Of course, I have the liberty of spending the points and not caring - some don't have that luxury so I don't expect it of them. I don't mind so it doesn't matter. If we wipe we wipe - oh well. It's not like I haven't wiped with elite groups before - It happens.

Don't get me wrong - your sentiments are nothing new - I too, used to treat this game like it was a job or a way of life instead of just a game. Thankfully, I got over that - over myself, and over people who still choose to behave that way. I would link the video about the kid whose mom took away his WoW subscription but frankly, im too lazy. -1 me or -100 me if it makes you feel like you accomplish something <shrug>. My pixelated heart will recover, im sure.

[Lifespawn]

My point was simply that some of us apparently (some apparently not) realize that this IS A GAME. It's not the end of the world and in in the grand scheme of things (and the not so grand ones) it's not important. Seriously, I play this game to relax and enjoy myself. If I run out of components i laugh and will usually spend some TP to get some. Of course, I have the liberty of spending the points and not caring - some don't have that luxury so I don't expect it of them. I don't mind so it doesn't matter. If we wipe we wipe - oh well. It's not like I haven't wiped with elite groups before - It happens.

Don't get me wrong - your sentiments are nothing new - I too, used to treat this game like it was a job or a way of life instead of just a game. Thankfully, I got over that - over myself, and over people who still choose to behave that way. I would link the video about the kid whose mom took away his WoW subscription but frankly, im too lazy. -1 me or -100 me if it makes you feel like you accomplish something <shrug>. My pixelated heart will recover, im sure.



just fyi that video was a hoax it was on tosh.0 :)

[SEMPER]

I ran out once, and bought the components in the store. Why did I buy them? So my character could do it's job without causing issues for the rest of the raid.

This is the same thing as a tank forgetting curse pots, healers not having scrolls, melee forgetting pots. None of you find this acceptable, but running out of components somehow is?

The point is it isn't boot/squelch worthy / things happen get over it and move on

[Ilindith]

Moral of the story, better not forget to buy 10 pounds of bat poo before you go in a quest folks. Or you're gonna get kicked!

[redspecter23]

If nobody ever ran out of spell components, we wouldn't need spell components :)

Basically, stuff happens sometimes. Components are only there so we have to micromanage that part of our inventory and nothing more. By definition, we are expected to "forget" occasionally and find ourselves in tough spots, or else there would be no reason to have a physical component at all.

[Sigava]

-1 for trolling, being disruptive and in general acting like you're 8 years old.

Everyone in a party would whine if the healer didn't bring scrolls to keep everyone alive. Or to chug pots on a long or difficult raid like eLoB.

But it's OK for you to run out of components because... what? You're not that important? You don't think you need to contribute? Because you're lazy and want people to carry you through a quest?

Get over yourselves and realize that when you run out of something, you're no longer contributing to the party as effectively as you can. Why waste a party slot on someone like that?

My goodness, I consider myself something of a slave driver when leading a group, but everyone makes mistakes. The spell component system is 9 kinds of stupid. A favored soul who didn't take any heals or rezzes? Not contributing. A favored soul who won't ever drink a pot no matter what? Not contributing. A favored soul who's unwilling to buy heal or rez scrolls cause he's too cheap? Not contributing. But a favored soul who simply forgot or ran out? He made a mistake! Rogues run out of tools. Healers run out of scrolls. Many spellcasters run out of components. People forget to repair their gear. Melee run out of curse/healing/haste potions. People forget to pick up the quest before entering. People forget to talk to the genie twice before entering ATDQ. People fall in the lava. People pull aggro on Suli. People forget to repair their sigil. People forget to get something out of the bank. People take 2 minutes to solve a puzzle rather than 20 seconds. People pull the wrong lever. People click the horn instead of the box. People get locked out. People forget their deathblock/deathward. People forget to park their hireling on passive.

These are all mistakes, silly, absent minded, careless mistakes. They shouldn't happen, but at some point in a player's career one or more of them are going to happen. We're not unthinking flawless automatons. I take my fun pretty seriously, more seriously than most, but for goodness sake, everyone makes some mistake some time.

[Munkenmo]

I ran out of hearts of hens once, on my first ever trip into wiz king with cryol.

we'd just finished tower one, with me webbing then firewalling everything with ease.

When i ran out, i had time to go to the store, buy a box of beers, head to cryol's place and drank with him whilst he solo'd the rest of the dungeon. (this was back when i didn't know which tower was which, got lost underground, good times)

Now I try to avoid hypocrisy when ever I can, so if you ever join my group and run out of components, well that sucks, but it's ok, I understand. You'd just better **** well show up with my box of beers though.


p.s. that day i made a new hot bar, and dragged my level 1-9 spell components, and stone skin components into it from my inventory. Now i know exactly how many components i've got left for each spell level.

[elricken]

It happens, helps if you put your components on a hotbar.. but nothing to get bent out of shape about.

[freekay]

My FvS ran out of L5 components once... whilst tanking eLOB.. fun times xD

[Plaidpooka]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

But squelching someone for a simple "oops, I forgot something, I'm willing to go get it and then rez you dead folks." I think OP was very kind to be willing to help out a wiped party that still had it's LFM up. If the party had decided they just wanted to release and not bother, they could have said so. But instead, willing to help OP gets squelched. I agree with previous poster, sounds like they were mad and *hurt over wiping to me.

[Plaidpooka]

Everyone in a party would whine if the healer didn't bring scrolls to keep everyone alive. Or to chug pots on a long or difficult raid like eLoB.

But it's OK for you to run out of components because... what? You're not that important? You don't think you need to contribute? Because you're lazy and want people to carry you through a quest?



Really? One slip of memory makes one an egotistical, uncontributing, lazy piker? This sort of response migh make sense if OP came in here saying "Stupid group expected me to waste my plat rezzing a bunch of dead losers," but they didn't. OP was more than willing to spend the plat and help the wiped party if they could wait a measley couple minutes. OP also wrote a politely worded post. And you're the one neg repping others for acting troll-like.

[CheeseMilk]

I carry 10 +5 Thieves' Tools on each of my non-rogue toons.

Should I start carrying a small stack each of Mushroom Powders and Crystal Cones too?

[mullmachine]

You should have just acted ignorant and said "What are you talking about??? FVS can't heal or raise the dead" :D

[dragon2fire]

You should have just acted ignorant and said "What are you talking about??? FVS can't heal or raise the dead" :D

exactly fvs are not healers we all know this :)

[Kirris]

Running out of components earns many noob points, so does running out of scrolls! while I try to keep stocked on these things I do run out of either on occasion, no big deal, the people I run with are competent and any 1 of us can run out and the quest will still complete no worries!

I sure as heck wouldn't buy anything from the DDO store just to complete a quest except in really special circumstances, normal or even leet amrath certainly arn't worthy of it! maybe an almost complete eLoB... maybe. Don't like it? please /squelch my alts so you don't have to group with me :)

Kirris.

[HungarianRhapsody]

You should be prepared to quest when you hit an LFM. If you're not then you darn well better make sure to teleport real quick like to get components/scrolls before the party starts to wonder where you are.

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store. If you refused then yup, you'd get the kick.

It's your job to ensure your character is prepared for a quest.

It is every caster's responsibility to make sure that they have enough spell components to cast their spells in a quest, but it's also the rest of the party's responsibility to not get slaughtered while you're on your way to hop in.

I'm entirely willing to forgive other people their occasional boneheaded moves as I hope that they'll forgive mine.

[sweez]

If you hop into the quest and say "oops I forgot X" then I'd tell you to buy it in the DDO store.

Are you a Turbine marketing agent?

[KillEveryone]

We are all human and make mistakes.

Just don't be a noob like me and run out again, even after putting them on a hot bar to keep track of them, and still run out, several times.

Happens.

Move on.

Squelch worthy? No.

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=242377&stc=1&d=1306943640

[BoBo2020]

I wouldn't tell people to buy something in the DDO store, but I would be annoyed that they hit an LFM, ran or teleported to the quest, entered the quest, and then decided to check and see if they have everything they need in order to actually do the quest.


If someone jumps in to save your butt... you say thank you.
If they make an error - you say thank you for trying.
Getting angry over a small error made by someone who joined late just to help you is irrational and immature.

[Melcena]

This is why I am the veteran spokesman of eschew material.

[mobrien316]

If someone jumps in to save your butt... you say thank you.
If they make an error - you say thank you for trying.
Getting angry over a small error made by someone who joined late just to help you is irrational and immature.

My quote was not meant to address someone who jumps in late and tries to save a wiped party.


I guess you were just dying to call someone irrational and immature?

[BladeTricks]

I ran out once, and bought the components in the store. Why did I buy them? So my character could do it's job without causing issues for the rest of the raid.

This is the same thing as a tank forgetting curse pots, healers not having scrolls, melee forgetting pots. None of you find this acceptable, but running out of components somehow is?

Overreacting much???

Did you read the part where OP said he got into a Bastion group (not an epic raid that could wipe if the divines miss a beat) that had wiped at the beginning of the quest, and that he was still, given said circumstances, willing to go in to help them finish the quest?

[flynnjsw]

Get over yourselves and realize that when you run out of something, you're no longer contributing to the party as effectively as you can.
As opposed to the rest of the party, who are contributing...by being DEAD.

[BoBo2020]

My quote was not meant to address someone who jumps in late and tries to save a wiped party.


I guess you were just dying to call someone irrational and immature?

Actually no.

The OP specifically references jumping in late to save a party that had already wiped.

Your quote "appeared" to respond to the OP.

My statement about being irrational and immature is how I feel, in general, about people who look a gift horse in the mouth and was not directed at you.

It is unfortunate if you took offense as none was intended.

[Gawdzilla]

This is an easy thing to fix, place a hotbar on your screen in an out of the way location and place all components into it giving yourself a constantly visible stock, never eun out again, win.

[stainer]

This is an easy thing to fix, place a hotbar on your screen in an out of the way location and place all components into it giving yourself a constantly visible stock, never eun out again, win.

This is good advice, and I do this. Another thing I do is top off components at the vendor in pt3 of shroud. I check every time I run shroud on one of my casters. If you think about it, once you get flagged you end up running it pretty frequently.

[mobrien316]

I keep my spell components on my hotbar, and I top them off as close to 1000 as I can get. When any of them get into the 700's, I teleport to the Portable Hole and top them off again.

I never run out of spell components.


It really is such a simple thing to keep track of, and it's not like you go through hundreds and hundreds with every quest.


If you are on your first life and have no money, keeping each stack at 100 would work just fine. Again, it's not like you cast hundreds of the same level spell in any one quest.


I wouldn't boot someone for running out, but I would certainly consider that a mark against them. If they otherwise played a good caster, then I would chalk it up to a simple mistake. It's really no different than a ranger not remembering to get arrows, or a rogue not remembering to get tool kits. Does it mean they are horrible players? Of course not. But it certainly does not make a good first impression.

[Melcena]

This is an easy thing to fix, place a hotbar on your screen in an out of the way location and place all components into it giving yourself a constantly visible stock, never eun out again, win.

I know my more professional caster friends to this to ensure that they never run out of components, except on the ocassional blooper where they forget and then we laugh, and turn the quest/raid/epic into a challenge to find out if we can run it without him having to use the little amount that he has left, where whoever makes him use that last one pays him 200k.

But on a side note, as I mentioned earlier, if you think you actually have a feat that you can live without, pick up eschew material. +2 on spell cost really isnt that much in the course of a raid/epic.

[zwiebelring]

MsEricka is well prepared for this thread. Best Troll ever.^^

[~Hinjoola]

To me a caster who forgets to bring components is like a Barbarian who forgets to bring his great axe...

[Cordovan]

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[dragon2fire]

To me a caster who forgets to bring components is like a Barbarian who forgets to bring his great axe...

The other side of that is to me. A party that charges off with out heals is a party that is telling me they can heal themselves. Honestly if those guys had died on my watch i would of bought components form the ddo store but i wont spend real money to try to fix stupid. And personally i don't squelch a barbarian whose axe breaks.