Does it make me an elitist <expletive deleted>...

[Varashad]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

[Jendrak]

Nope....that just makes you a plain old <expletive deleted>, nothing elitest about it :D

[Vormaerin]

No, it makes you a pessimist. And maybe a jerk, depending on how and when you actually drop.

[Varashad]

No, it makes you a pessimist. And maybe a jerk, depending on how and when you actually drop.

I dropped right at the entrance, so it wasn't like they were set back 2 hours of work by my exit.

[ArcaneMelee]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

Nope - the elitist would fire up Fraps (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249197).

[Jendrak]

Nope - the elitist would fire up Fraps (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249197).

and then post it on you tube with the appropriate music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpc5_3B5xdk) :D

[DavionFuxa]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

If you drop without warning then your a jerk.
If you drop without warning without good reason your a pessimist.
If you drop without warning with good reason then your still a pressimist but at least you had a good reason.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I've dropped a few groups but usually figure out how it's going to go before I get into the quest. I think once I step in I feel committed and it's a challenge to make it work.

[mystafyi]

I only drop group in a quest if someone is behaving very badly(rarely happens) or the last person filling the group is above the level advertised on the lfm and would destroy my xp(uncommon) or someone dies and recalls to get shipbuffs and leader does not boot them.(rare)

Trainwrecks can be very enjoyable

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

Pessimist.....or realist?

I dunno, sometimes you just know things are going straight downhill. Most days I see it as a challenge. Some days it's better to drop and spare 5 people an earfull.

[Elaril]

It makes you a ***** in all honesty. An elitist? Sure. An actual elite player? No. It also shows that you have zero confidence in yourself to pull a bad group through a tough quest.

[DeafeningWhisper]

I never leave, I may not spend any resources thou, like sp pots or even scrolls if the fail is huge but I never leave it makes you look way too bad.

[ArcaneMelee]

and then post it on you tube with the appropriate music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpc5_3B5xdk) :D

Great - now it's stuck in my head.

[Qhualor]

doesnt make you elitist, but you never know. ive been surprised in a good way and a bad way before. funny thing is, ive been in groups where i knew the players and know how good they are and we end up failing whatever raid or quest we were doing.

[Muspellsheimr]

I think once I step in I feel committed and it's a challenge to make it work.

I joined a normal Shroud earlier this week.

Part one took the longest I have seen so far (have only done a dozen so far).
Part two went FOUR rounds.
Part three had three deaths before finishing puzzles, another two shortly thereafter.
Part four had six deaths by the beginning of round three. I cast teleport, and feel kind of bad for waiting that long. Sometimes, it really isn't worth the effort to try and make it work.

[Dragavon]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

Nope

An elitist would zerg the quest without rezzing the noobs, complete and drop group ;)

[Daggertooth]

It makes you a ***** in all honesty. An elitist? Sure. An actual elite player? No. It also shows that you have zero confidence in yourself to pull a bad group through a tough quest.

Yeah but some of us pull almost every group through. I am happy to do it on my caster but if I am on a fighter or something with limited influence and we are going into a high level elite and its plainly clear that the caster or key roles don't have any idea what they're doing and its going to be a 'LOL" moment as everyone wipes, then by all means I dont see a problem with leaving. Just say "I'm gonna leave you guys to enjoy this one on your own and I don't want to rush anyone"

[Tarragon12]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

No, it makes you a newbie. Elitist would strive to collect 5 soulstones asap and solo quest with ease and casual apologies for overseeing shrines and lacking res scrolls.

[jwdaniels]

If you're going to be a big enough A&D (bag and hole that is) to drop group once you're in a quest because you don't think it will complete/ complete fast enough then you really shouldn't group with anyone you don't know.

Realize that every time you do this, you ruin someone else's enjoyment and if you ruin someone else's gaming enough they quit. Enough people quit, the game dies. If you're the type that will leave like this, don't group with unknowns in the first place.

[morticianjohn]

I always give it a shot and sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised. If things go bad at least I've learned things I could have done to make things go more smooth.

[AdamSmith]

No it means you're a smart person that's willing the cut out the dead weight, griefers, and simply bad players in a group.

You have the right to group with the people you can tolerate and also to squelch the people that cause problems.

[sweez]

No it means you're a smart person that's willing the cut out the dead weight, griefers, and simply bad players in a group.

You have the right to group with the people you can tolerate and also to squelch the people that cause problems.

This.

[Kadran]

How do you "know" it's going to go horribly? Did you have to go threw an explorer area and the group was already struggling? Had you played with any of these individuals before?

Or were you simply making an assumption based off party makeup, individual character builds/gear, or some other not really indicitive factor?

Without this knowledge, I cannot tell you whether or not you were. However the fact that you made a forum post about it seemingly just for attention, not seriously looking for an answer, may provide your answer.

[LeLoric]

Elitist is such a badly coined phrase. Most elitist activites stem from players who are far from elite. It generally stems from a lack of confidience in ones own ability so there is a desire to surround oneself with players better than themselves.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

If you drop without warning then your a jerk.
If you drop without warning without good reason your a pessimist.
If you drop without warning with good reason then your still a pressimist but at least you had a good reason.

Yeah, considering you not only dropped group, but are also cryin about it in the forums is a good enough sign to me - I'm guessing you are behind curtain number 1. However, to truly know I'd have to have been there to see it. Im still fairly certain Davion nailed it on his first guess.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Elitist is such a badly coined phrase. Most elitist activites stem from players who are far from elite. It generally stems from a lack of confidience in ones own ability so there is a desire to surround oneself with players better than themselves.

Elitist, elitist gamer, elitist jerk... all posses the same basic definition when it comes to gaming. Standard game terminology thats going nowhere. Grant it, its an unfair label for someone thats a good egg, that happens to be quit talented at a particular game... Sadly, many "elitists" do earn the negative connotation associated with the term with selfish behavior, "Play the game my way (or build your toon my way) or your a gimp", being rude, and of course exploiting the game for personal benefit at every opportunity.

It all comes down to "fun factor" to me. An elitists' idea of "fun" is typically vastly different than everyone elses.

But thats gaming for you. And theres not a game out there that doesnt have fanboys, elitists, noobs, and everybody else. Goes with the territory! :)

[darkniteyogi]

its a case to case basis,

and it depends what quest.. when i was a newbie, there was this bragging vet linking all his equipment while getting to the quest. Then i died shortly after entering the quest. The vet dropped group instantly.

It ****ed me off, yeah.. -10% my fault, but even then i felt the guy was a jerk. Its because i knew i was a competent player who just happened to die. Looking back, probably he did have the right to drop group. But at that time i thought he was a jerk.

If you join the group and everyone's hp is 70 and have not been playing as long as you, of course it will be an inconvenience to you. The least you can do is apologize nicely and wish them luck, say you're in a hurry or you don't have much time and you thought it would be quick. At least that has some truth to it. Or dont say the last part, just say you dont have much time, youre really sorry and goodluck

[Spoonwelder]

I should have dropped this group -

Von3 - Normal only

Ranger
Halfling fighter
FVS Arcane Archer!
Lvl 7 Wizard who didn't know quest
A TR ranger so he was decent but still a ranged ranger
Me - TR rogue

We actually made it to the 3 bosses and it fell apart there - I let the TR anger pull because he seemed to know what he was talking about - first get just troll no problem - then get both beholder and caster....after multiple deaths for everyone we finally pull that out....

Then we get to the shrine (FVS had already used and had no SP left - gave him two greater mnem's - so we are good to go - get sonic/elec buffs...then I say ok make sure you have your anarch/chaotic weapons out......flip to my purples.....wait ....say it again....wait.....type it in chat .....crickets. So we go for it and the electric blast kills one guy right off - wizzy gets aggro and dies to one or two punches - I am pounding on the maruts back but no SA so I am doing only mediocre damage and with the ranger now kiting him around I am missing alot from movement penalties and just not being near enough to him......as you guessed it a wipe....total train wreck.

But it was fun to watch the train go down hill fast. I probably could have saved it on an arcane but on a rogue - no chance I can take the marut myself.

Probably should have dropped to save myself the hour.....

[herzkos]

depends on circumstances:
if the party has been waiting a while to get started, YES.
if you don't like the make-up of the party and haven't communicated that
concern to the PL, YES.
if you just can't be buggered to tell folks why you're dropping, YES.

well actually, yes.
Can't think of a reason to bail at the entrance of a quest without notifying at
least the PL. Real life happens and can cause folks to bail but not keep playing the game
on other quests.

[Havok.cry]

Why didn't you bail before you entered?

[katana_one]

I think this is one of those occasions where if you are asking the question, then you already know the answer.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Probably.

if that was your only reason.

[Vormaerin]

You have the right to group with the people you can tolerate and also to squelch the people that cause problems.

Of course you have that right. But you are still a jerk if you join someone else's group and then don't quit until they are underway. Nothing in his question indicated he thought there were griefers or troublemakers. He just said he was worried they wouldn't succeed.

[Hambo]

I've dropped a few groups but usually figure out how it's going to go before I get into the quest. I think once I step in I feel committed and it's a challenge to make it work.

^This.

If I join a group I'm committed (or maybe should be) for the duration. :)

[CheeseMilk]

Nope

An elitist would zerg the quest without rezzing the noobs, complete and drop group ;)

Don't forget to tell them to reroll, too.

[Enoach]

As for the label Elitest - I would say NO. Dropping Group does not make you elitest. What makes you elitest is how you treated the group... Being derogatory, telling them how much you have run this quest, could do it blindfold etc., etc.

Now, you only mentioned that you dropped because you thought the group had no chance to succeed (or succeed in the time frame you felt you were willing to commit). Also seems that you dropped group after you entered the quest or at least there does not seem to be an indication otherwise.

How did you know that it would not succeed? Did the last person join that you knew would be an issue? Did you not get a buff that you asked for?

In the end, the only ways to truly know a quest is in for a train wreck at the beginning:


Going through Adventure area to get to quest - 1/2 + of the party need to be raised
Known person that you cannot play nicely with joins group (Should be able to avoid them by seeing they are already in group)
You join a group and discover that they are not ready to complete the quest - Totally under-geared for running the quest (example of under-geared is not having the best weapons/equipment for level, but having equipment that they should have stopped using 3+ levels ago as being their main gear)
The whole group can't stop talking about how good they are [all sound like they haven't yet hit puberty]


You may also meet some really great people on these types of runs.

I only leave groups personally, if I know I won't get along with someone in the group or I'm out of Time (RL) All of this is prior to entering quest.

The only reasons I will exit and leave group after quests start are: People being Jerks and RL requires my attention and it would not be fair for me to PIKE to the end. In both cases I will apologize and exit. I will also leave them with a good luck.

[nolaureltree000]

if you were an elitist youd be able to carry a crappy group through the quest. so no.

dropping group early is always poor form unless someone is being really rude or abusive. otherwise by joining a group you, you at least need to give it a go until everyone dies.

[Chilldude]

No, I think it simply means that you are a coward. It'd be one thing if the group wiped a half dozen times, or even once, but to drop group simply because you think things might not go smoothly? DDO is the most forgiving MMO I can think of when it comes to dying, and you're afraid of even the possibility of dying? What's the point in playing? Farmville might be more your speed.

On the other hand. I've been in many groups with a person who was whining and complaining the whole time and eventually dropped group, usually after saying something along the lines of, "This quest can not be completed with this group." Nearly every time the group not only finished the quest, but finished without further incident. So you might have saved the group a lot of drama by tucking your tail between your legs and running off.

I don't understand the mentality of a lot of players when it comes to playing with newer players, and the slight added challenge that presents. Perhaps in epic raids you might need to be careful about who you bring along, but everything short of that is just plain cowardly and selfish. Unfortunately it hurts everyone because even though you think you are elite, you seem to lack the network of comparably skilled friends that should come with the title and the ability to do it on your own which would be the very definition, so you infect LFM with your rude and abusive attitude, chasing away scores of new players in the process.

It's very ironic that the vast majority of elitist players are desperately chasing after respect and recognition, yet they do everything in their power to avoid any activity worthy of respect and recognition.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

No, I think it simply means that you are a coward. It'd be one thing if the group wiped a half dozen times, or even once, but to drop group simply because you think things might not go smoothly? DDO is the most forgiving MMO I can think of when it comes to dying, and you're afraid of even the possibility of dying? What's the point in playing? Farmville might be more your speed.

On the other hand. I've been in many groups with a person who was whining and complaining the whole time and eventually dropped group, usually after saying something along the lines of, "This quest can not be completed with this group." Nearly every time the group not only finished the quest, but finished without further incident. So you might have saved the group a lot of drama by tucking your tail between your legs and running off.

I don't understand the mentality of a lot of players when it comes to playing with newer players, and the slight added challenge that presents. Perhaps in epic raids you might need to be careful about who you bring along, but everything short of that is just plain cowardly and selfish. Unfortunately it hurts everyone because even though you think you are elite, you seem to lack the network of comparably skilled friends that should come with the title and the ability to do it on your own which would be the very definition, so you infect LFM with your rude and abusive attitude, chasing away scores of new players in the process.

It's very ironic that the vast majority of elitist players are desperately chasing after respect and recognition, yet they do everything in their power to avoid any activity worthy of respect and recognition.

:)

[AdamSmith]

if you were an elitist youd be able to carry a crappy group through the quest. so no.

dropping group early is always poor form unless someone is being really rude or abusive. otherwise by joining a group you, you at least need to give it a go until everyone dies.

Hell no. Joining a group doesn't constitute a commitment to even attempt the quest. It only means you've joined another chatroom. And if people smell bad in the room, you have the right to leave immediately to save yourself from the bad odors.

For example, if you were the second person in the group after the leader, and then the leader lets your worst enemy join later on, you're not going to stay in the group, you're going to leave right away and maybe say bye bye.

[Galeria]

Without details, it's really hard to give you an answer. Which is why everyone is filling in the blanks themselves and then giving a judgement.

The last time I dropped a group, I joined to run Madstone. Took a while to fill. The last person to join was a low level wizard.

Wiz: Hey yall, I'm buying stuff in House K will be there soon.
Leader: Ok
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz: Ok, I have to go get ship buffs now.
Leader: Fine.
Me: Do you have the invisibility spell loaded?
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz: Can someone invite me to ship? Here now.
Leader: Sure.
Me: Hey, do you have invis?
(5 min go by.)

Wiz: I'm in Gianthold, how do I get there?
Leader: Coming to get you.
Me: Make sure to load invisibility before you come out.
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz and leader arrive back at entrance. About to enter.

Me: Did you load invis?
Leader: Yeah, Wiz, invisibility really helps in this quest. Do you have it?
Wiz: I'll see.
(2-3 min go by.)

Me: You don't know if you have it?
Wiz: I'M LOOKING. GIVE ME A MINUTE.

Wiz: I need to go back to the camp and load it I guess. Do I need a scroll for that?
Leader: I'll come with you and walk you back out.

Me: /leave party

So, technically I left because I didn't think we would succeed and it wasn't worth my time. Do I think it was an elitist move? Nope.

There's new, then there's stupid. When people can't be bothered to read party chat other than when they want to "talk" it's just not worth dragging their butt through a quest. Yes, we could have used clickies or even gone without invis at all but there are people who are just too much work to run with.

Looking at the party makeup and deciding it will fail because of the classes/multiclasses? Probably elitist jerk. I've had some really great runs with some weird groups.

Realizing the party is full of stupid people or has one really bad person that needs to play a critical role? Probably more of a judgement call and often justified.

[Postumus]

Wiz: I need to go back to the camp and load it I guess. Do I need a scroll for that?
Leader: I'll come with you and walk you back out.

Me: /leave party

So, technically I left because I didn't think we would succeed and it wasn't worth my time. Do I think it was an elitist move? Nope.



You sound impatient.

OP: yeah it's always lame to drop group after you've all started the quest unless someone has insulted you or something of that nature. I'm sure the other five players weren't too thrilled.

[Varashad]

This post is purely to protect my forum e-cred which no one cares about. We had done a quest prior in which we had been slaughtered. I then, being a total fool, decided it would be a good idea to kite some mobs through blade barrier. Well, a natural 1 on a stunning blow check quickly canceled that. I know the quest failed because fifteen minutes later I logged onto another toon(who I knew was better qualified to be in the party in the first place), and joined the group. Everyone was dead.

[Galeria]

I would say it doesn't make you an elitist jerk because it sounds like a you had a rough go with this group. I don't think anyone would be surprised if you said, "ok, this isn't happening. I'm out."

But dropping group without saying anything at all is a little rude. Probably not unexpected given the circumstances, though.

[Denegrator]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

Yes, Yes it does. Now shr plz. :p :p

[Hinedhel]

Yesterday I dropped a Missing party two minutes after entering the quest because I discovered then that the leader intended to send someone alone on a stealth mission to get the clues and kill the final boss quickly. The leader wanted some express XP, and I wanted to enjoy a really nice quest (this one is quite enjoyable) and get a chance on a Turbulent Epee. The party was just labeled as "Missing Hard" at the LFM panel, so there was no way to know the leader's intentions until you were in. The leader explained the strategy inside, and inside I explained my reasons to leave. Who's the elitist one here: Me, the leader, both of us, or none of us?

[Denegrator]

Yesterday I dropped a Missing party two minutes after entering the quest because I discovered then that the leader intended to send someone alone on a stealth mission to get the clues and kill the final boss quickly. The leader wanted some express XP, and I wanted to enjoy a really nice quest (this one is quite enjoyable) and get a chance on a Turbulent Epee. The party was just labeled as "Missing Hard" at the LFM panel, so there was no way to know the leader's intentions until you were in. The leader explained the strategy inside, and inside I explained my reasons to leave. Who's the elitist one here: Me, the leader, both of us, or none of us?

The cousin of Ms Adventure is to blame, Ms Information. :p Doesn't take long to add a note to an lfm that makes intentions clear. Missing Party. Hard, Stealth strat. easy as that.

[AeliusMaximus]

No, I think it simply means that you are a coward. It'd be one thing if the group wiped a half dozen times, or even once, but to drop group simply because you think things might not go smoothly? DDO is the most forgiving MMO I can think of when it comes to dying, and you're afraid of even the possibility of dying? What's the point in playing? Farmville might be more your speed.

On the other hand. I've been in many groups with a person who was whining and complaining the whole time and eventually dropped group, usually after saying something along the lines of, "This quest can not be completed with this group." Nearly every time the group not only finished the quest, but finished without further incident. So you might have saved the group a lot of drama by tucking your tail between your legs and running off.

I don't understand the mentality of a lot of players when it comes to playing with newer players, and the slight added challenge that presents. Perhaps in epic raids you might need to be careful about who you bring along, but everything short of that is just plain cowardly and selfish. Unfortunately it hurts everyone because even though you think you are elite, you seem to lack the network of comparably skilled friends that should come with the title and the ability to do it on your own which would be the very definition, so you infect LFM with your rude and abusive attitude, chasing away scores of new players in the process.

It's very ironic that the vast majority of elitist players are desperately chasing after respect and recognition, yet they do everything in their power to avoid any activity worthy of respect and recognition.

QFT. Times 1,000,000!!!!

You would think people who obviously like this game enough to play a lot, care what others think of them in game and even post on the forums would be nicer to the noobs in order to ensure that the game sticks around. But some people don't have the wisdom to see past the next 5 minutes it seems. There's an old saying ... in order to GET respect, you have to GIVE respect. We were all noobs at some point. This is not rocket science.

[azmodeus1]

If I drop a group at the start of a quest that I know is going to do horribly?

not in the least. before a quest is started feel free to leave for any reason you want, with or without explanation. generally if you're already in a quest, you should give a reason or say something, even if its 'sorry im out, you guys suck' or my personal favorite 'gtg, cats on fire'

i mean really, its not a break-up they're not going to cry themselves to sleep, you don't need to console them, they'll throw up the lfm, fill and continue on, either waiting or adding IP to the lfm.

i joined an elite bloody heart this morning, they were in progress. i asked how long they had been in...no reply. people were dying [already -10%], then somoene said they're done thier side and were going over to help meaning i'd prolly get a late peen, so i just dropped out...big deal.

i don't group with people to teach them the game, hold thier hands, nanny bot them, but rather to make whichever quests im doing faster. if they can't increase efficiency i usually move on. if theres probable cause to asusme it won't be worth you're time to stay with the group, i move on. on some rare occasions ill stick around and help out, but im usually too busy working on my toons to care enough.

[zebidos]

Need more info OP on the reasons why before the internet can judge you.

For me personally I never drop groups, if one is going down hill though and I know has no chance in hell I just pike till everyone is dead, then I die, say in chat "aww nice try guys! got to go!"

Never judge a party but its classes/races/builds imo.

[Uma-Quixote]

You can do what ever you want, its your game.
However, there is a list of consquences for every action.
Some people you do this to won't care less
Some people you do this to will think you are a jerk,then forget about you.
Some people you do this to will make a note of who you are, and never run with you again.
Some people you do this to will make a note of who you are, never run with you, and tell plenty of other folk you are a jerk (undeserved or not....in the long run mud sticks).
Do this too often and it doesn't take long to develop a reputation...You may care, you might not...just don't complain if it happens.

[brian14]

It makes you a ***** in all honesty. An elitist? Sure. An actual elite player? No. It also shows that you have zero confidence in yourself to pull a bad group through a tough quest.
Why SHOULD I "pull a bad group through tough quest"? I play in order to have fun. If you enjoy pulling bad groups, more power to you. In fact, I enjoy pulling inexperienced people as long as they know they are inexperienced and are willing to learn. I will never purposefully pull a bad group (which is not same as inexeprienced). Not because I lack confidence in myself, but because I see no point to it.

BTW, in over two years of DDO, I dropped group before quest started only once.

[bartosy]

Not really no.

I did it a few times also. Most of the days i can coop with leading/guiding new players around. Maybe give them some advice if they want too (very carefull with that one i always ask or they want a tip or two).Send some compensation for people who invested a lot in the quests/pots/mat.

But there are some days when you don't coop so well where you don't wanna lead/guide or where just every quest seems to fail one after another. On those days yes it does happen where i instantly drop group if i see a lot of liability factors telling before i left that it's just not gonna happen

Does that make you a coward,elitist or bad person..?

Not really, there are all kind of real life situations in life we wished we rather dealt with differently if hadden gotten the chance again but guess what.. we're all human we all make mistakes.. and we all have our own treshold for failiure or incomming failure and the ability in ourself to protect ourself from harm, or a really bad time wether that be in real life or in a computer game.

Just be nice towards the party and say.. hey i don't think this will be happening so im looking to go do something else then drop party..

then at least your civilised about it.. heck i saw people comming in my party for a quick reset.. and they don't tell it.. or even worse for a guildship invite +2 shrines and then run off to another quest as soon as there done.

[cpito]

OP- elitist? Prob'ly not. That other half? Not really enough info to go by.


An elitists' idea of "fun" is typically vastly different than everyone elses.

Isn't that a little like calling a group of goths "non-conformists"?

An elitist's idea of fun is typically the same as other elitists.

[Thrudh]

I think once I step in I feel committed and it's a challenge to make it work.

This.


An actual elite player? No. It also shows that you have zero confidence in yourself to pull a bad group through a tough quest.

And this.

But I have no problem with people dropping group BEFORE the quest starts. Nothing wrong with that at all. If I get a really bad group, I usually stick it out, and then drop group before they head into the next quest.

[Chauncey1]

Dunno about elitist.
But I don't think I'd run with you again. Especially if you bailed without explanation.

[Zuka]

I really prefer to see if I can pull a little extra weight to try and succeed with an unlikely group, but some days I just can't handle another likely fail run and I'll come up0 with a polite excuse to drop before things get underway. I find that family troubles are usually well understood.

To be clear, if I dropped your group for family troubles, there's at least a 50% chance it was legitimate, and if not it wasn't personal, I just had such bad luck that day that what I wanted was a walk through a park full of monsters for me to slaughter indiscriminately. I won't generally join an Echrono for example that i don't intend to at least try to get through no matter how bad things look, but I may not stick around for the second attempt, I think that's fair. If i don't stick around for another shot, I'll at least be polite about it, saying something like "Sorry guys, I just can't go another round in this one, best of luck to you but Imma have to head off to do something different."

Edit: If I do drop because I'm claiming real life, then whether or not real life is calling, I'm good on the DDO for now, and I'll be taking a break at the very least, one thing I've learned from playing since it was strictly P2P and the level cap was 8, is that almost any party can complete a quest given good playstyles and good teamwork.

[pSINNa]

I really just prefer to do it with what we have (people wise).

I will sometimes drop AFTER the fail, and usually in that event i'd be upset with myself a bit, becuase i'm uber right? and we still failed !

When there's dead weight there, or complete greenery (really new players with very little idea), it's usually a great oppurtunity to shine (it's fun getting people joining a raid a year later that remember that time your uber self pulled them through those flags they needed back when they knew nothing).

I get constantly suprised too, all the time to be honest, i lead a tod the other night where i knew pretty much no-one that hit the lfm, had almost no-one that could do the roles we need, and just the one friend that hit the lfm unexpectedly that i knew i could get to reliably do a few of the jobs needed to complete us.

We sailed that baby like a calm balmy ocean of free loot. Nice surprise. :)

But anyway, that's my two cents, glhf, Coit out~

[nolaureltree000]

Hell no. Joining a group doesn't constitute a commitment to even attempt the quest. It only means you've joined another chatroom. And if people smell bad in the room, you have the right to leave immediately to save yourself from the bad odors.

For example, if you were the second person in the group after the leader, and then the leader lets your worst enemy join later on, you're not going to stay in the group, you're going to leave right away and maybe say bye bye.

yeah, before the quest starts. but once you step in, you've committed and death or completion is the only way out.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Without details, it's really hard to give you an answer. Which is why everyone is filling in the blanks themselves and then giving a judgement.

The last time I dropped a group, I joined to run Madstone. Took a while to fill. The last person to join was a low level wizard.

Wiz: Hey yall, I'm buying stuff in House K will be there soon.
Leader: Ok
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz: Ok, I have to go get ship buffs now.
Leader: Fine.
Me: Do you have the invisibility spell loaded?
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz: Can someone invite me to ship? Here now.
Leader: Sure.
Me: Hey, do you have invis?
(5 min go by.)

Wiz: I'm in Gianthold, how do I get there?
Leader: Coming to get you.
Me: Make sure to load invisibility before you come out.
(2-3 min go by.)

Wiz and leader arrive back at entrance. About to enter.

Me: Did you load invis?
Leader: Yeah, Wiz, invisibility really helps in this quest. Do you have it?
Wiz: I'll see.
(2-3 min go by.)

Me: You don't know if you have it?
Wiz: I'M LOOKING. GIVE ME A MINUTE.

Wiz: I need to go back to the camp and load it I guess. Do I need a scroll for that?
Leader: I'll come with you and walk you back out.

Me: /leave party

So, technically I left because I didn't think we would succeed and it wasn't worth my time. Do I think it was an elitist move? Nope.

There's new, then there's stupid. When people can't be bothered to read party chat other than when they want to "talk" it's just not worth dragging their butt through a quest. Yes, we could have used clickies or even gone without invis at all but there are people who are just too much work to run with.

Looking at the party makeup and deciding it will fail because of the classes/multiclasses? Probably elitist jerk. I've had some really great runs with some weird groups.

Realizing the party is full of stupid people or has one really bad person that needs to play a critical role? Probably more of a judgement call and often justified.

You left because you thought the quest would fail, because the Wizard did not have Invisibility?!




There really needs to be another word than "elitist" to describe you. :cool: