are the pally,mnk,sorc builds useless in quests?

[alexthegood]

5th time i have been declined for my *odd ball* build,is it true?
im always last standing soloed all vale quests on elite at level 17 yeh even coal!
so is it the build or me? or them? 502hp,1967sp at level 19.

[Enoach]

When faced with this type of question - the answer is...

Lead your own group. Depending on how many people come to your call for aid to run a quest, will answer your above question.

[alexthegood]

When faced with this type of question - the answer is...

Lead your own group. Depending on how many people come to your call for aid to run a quest, will answer your above question.

yeh i have tried exactly 5 times to group,
i solo 70% of time and group when that gets grindy for lols :)
love leading groups i just dont get why i im not getting accepted
i hope its nothing to do with me, O:

[Zirun]

1 healer, 3 melee, 1 caster, 1 arti/bard every quest.
2 healers, 6 melee, 2 casters, 1 bard, 1 arti every raid.
Raid loot is required to run all raids.
Epic loot is required to run all epics.
No splashes unless it's on a non-offensively-casting melee and adds moar DPS.
Virtuosos are not allowed.
Neither are Arcane Archers.
Neither are Theif-Acrobats.
If everybody dies, it's the healer's fault.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

[ArcaneMelee]

...im always last standing ...

Generally speaking, people don't quest to see who is the last one standing - most people want completion as fast as they can in the elusive hunt for That Shiny that has their name on it.

Most likely, they see your build as a "piker"... i.e., someone who contributes less than the maximum amount of DPS/CC/whatever that they have determined is needed to complete the quest with a minimum of effort.

Don't sweat it - multiclassing a caster is an excellent way to weed out the unpleasant.

[danotmano1998]

5th time i have been declined for my *odd ball* build,is it true?
im always last standing soloed all vale quests on elite at level 17 yeh even coal!
so is it the build or me? or them? 502hp,1967sp at level 19.

It's them.

The social stigma of DDO is such that if you aren't conforming to the accepted standard of builds, then you must be gimped or of questionable intelligence.

While this is not necessarily true, there ARE a lot of people out there that do the multiclass route or strange builds simply because they don't know any better. It sounds from your post that you are of the other camp, the ones who build out of the norm for flavor or fun or to suit your own playstyle.

So if you decide you want to make a strange build combination, then prepare to be socially outcast until you can prove that your build works and you are, in fact, NOT a detriment to others in the party.


I don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I've seen enough in DDO to understand where this kind of view is coming from.


So ultimately you have 3 choices:

1. Build your way, play your way, but get thick skin and be prepared to be outcast on occasion simply because of prejudice if you intend to join pugs regularly.
2. Build it any way you want, and run within your guild or a group of friends and forget about PUGS entirely.
3. Build a more conformist style of build, or at least make it APPEAR as a conformist build as much as possible and avoid the social stigma altogether.

[Galeria]

My husband's first build was the pally/monk/sorc and he loved it. He did get some declines but the people who played with him always remembered him because he often carried their stones to the shrine.

At level 20, his guildies convinced him to LR into a full Sorc. He never enjoyed playing the pure class as much, but it was more "acceptable" at end game.

If I can get him back from SWTOR, he says he's TRing into the Sorc/monk/pally build again because it was FUN.

Do what's fun for you.

[alexthegood]

Generally speaking, people don't quest to see who is the last one standing - most people want completion as fast as they can in the elusive hunt for That Shiny that has their name on it.

Most likely, they see your build as a "piker"... i.e., someone who contributes less than the maximum amount of DPS/CC/whatever that they have determined is needed to complete the quest with a minimum of effort.

Don't sweat it - multiclassing a caster is an excellent way to weed out the unpleasant.

i never pike why bother piking a game thats meant to be played for fun,:)
i also have a 70% on res scrolls to help the party back on its feet :)
and yeh got sick of my pm rolled up this wonder build for flavor and am very happy guy 90% of the time :D
just makes me sad that people have to judge you

[Tid12]

Many ppl out there have "standard" builds in their minds and wont accept any other build. You just found some bad leaders.

[alexthegood]

My husband's first build was the pally/monk/sorc and he loved it. He did get some declines but the people who played with him always remembered him because he often carried their stones to the shrine.

At level 20, his guildies convinced him to LR into a full Sorc. He never enjoyed playing the pure class as much, but it was more "acceptable" at end game.

If I can get him back from SWTOR, he says he's TRing into the Sorc/monk/pally build again because it was FUN.

Do what's fun for you.

thanks already have a pure clr,sorc,wiz,ranger no trs thro :D

[Arnhelm]

We weren't going to tell you, but...

It's your breath! :p

As has already been said, some folks just can't accept anything other than what they consider "standard" builds. Sad, because some excellent players don't play on standard builds.

[alexthegood]

We weren't going to tell you, but...

It's your breath! :p

As has already been said, some folks just can't accept anything other than what they consider "standard" builds. Sad, because some excellent players don't play on standard builds.

hmmmm,gota stay away form the garlic bread
but....it helps with vampires!!


ok not my best joke :)

[k1ngp1n]

so is it the build or me?

Both.

A character like that is really good at soloing a lot of content (not all, but a majority).

A character like that doesn't contribute as much to a party as other character styles (though it still contributes plenty).

A player is more important than the character.

Before playing with a person, all anyone has to go off of is the character.

Some people care, others don't.

Being last man standing is not necessarily a good thing.

[alexthegood]

Both.

A character like that is really good at soloing a lot of content (not all, but a majority).

A character like that doesn't contribute as much to a party as other character styles.

A player is more important than the character.

Before playing with a person, all anyone has to go off of is the character.

Some people care, others don't.

Being last man standing is not necessarily a good thing.
ahh,but it is if you can rez xD

[k1ngp1n]

ahh,but it is if you can rez xD

Or, and this is theoretical of course, you can contribute enough so that there isn't a last man standing situation.... say having the spell penn and DCs to wail down a mass group of enemies.

[dredre9987]

Post your build up on the forums and get it some recognition...
That's if you really want to play with those guys

[alexthegood]

Or, and this is theoretical of course, you can contribute enough so that there isn't a last man standing situation.... say having the spell penn and DCs to wail down a mass group of enemies.

no wail,:( or spell pen. and why should i solo the quest?
why can they not jump in the trap ?
i always say *trap* :D
i am a team player. other wise i would not group, build info pretty much my own flavor build con specced gana lr to cha spec if i feel like it but alas hearts of wood are to rare.
and i prolly dont wanna group with the judgmental players the diss my flavor build :)

[alexthegood]

just wanna thank you all for the helpfull ,mature posts
think i get it now flavor builds,_guild thing_
need a bigger guild :)

[Talon_Moonshadow]

It's them.

Sadly, there are a lot of "them." :(

[AMDarkwolf]

pfft, people remember you, and before u know, your getting invites/tells from people wanting to fill 'that' spot with you.

Been there, and no its not because I'm carrying their stones to the shrines, or soloing the quest while they pike, or saving the world daily, but its because its a solid character, and people learn who YOU are not your toon.

There will be others with the 'same' level split who will drag a team down and make the other 5 work that much harder to succeed, and the sad thing is, those guys DO NOT get remembered but the build DOES.

Just play/enjoy the game, do what you do, make your groups and join others, don't be bothered by denies(Thank them for denying you rather than 'let u wait')

Its your name they will look for not your 'build' :D

[Simplesimon1979]

I'm guessing this is the toon your talking about since your myddo page only lists your cleric

http://my.ddo.com/character/argonnessen/vadx/

I'm just wondering with those stats what do you use to damage the enemies.

[ArcaneMelee]

...don't be bothered by denies(Thank them for denying you rather than 'let u wait')

Its your name they will look for not your 'build' :D

Phrase it carefully, though, or they'll take it as sarcasm and try to educate you in How To Play The Game.

Keep an open mind, and you won't miss good advice. Just don't look for it from someone who declines based soley on class splits.

(for the OP, not ATMA)

[alexthegood]

I'm guessing this is the toon your talking about since your myddo page only lists your cleric

http://my.ddo.com/character/argonnessen/vadx/

I'm just wondering with those stats what do you use to damage the enemies.

me? dots,all lighting spells,salas hit for 100-400. cost me little sp. cant remember who but somone said cha on this build is useless may have used same bad advice :( my lr to cha spec. but 42con does seem nice. xD

[Malky]

Neither are Arcane Archers.


Doh! and i'm levelling an arcane monkcher atm :( (or should i say.... monkey archer ?? :D)

[alexthegood]

It's them.

Sadly, there are a lot of "them." :(

thnx id take your build in a heart beat if we played on same server :)

[alexthegood]

pfft, people remember you, and before u know, your getting invites/tells from people wanting to fill 'that' spot with you.

Been there, and no its not because I'm carrying their stones to the shrines, or soloing the quest while they pike, or saving the world daily, but its because its a solid character, and people learn who YOU are not your toon.

There will be others with the 'same' level split who will drag a team down and make the other 5 work that much harder to succeed, and the sad thing is, those guys DO NOT get remembered but the build DOES.

Just play/enjoy the game, do what you do, make your groups and join others, don't be bothered by denies(Thank them for denying you rather than 'let u wait')

Its your name they will look for not your 'build' :D
uh,they let me wait then like 50mins later after iv made my own group and completed *example* the shroud on hard,i get (name) group is full message :D

[adamkatt]

Well it dont look like you melee with an 11 str.
Sooo the 2 paly 2 monk = evasion and saves you gave up for 1700 more sp.



Dumping everything into con is always the way to go!

[alexthegood]

Dumping everything into con is always the way to go!

*not*. :( idk my freinds first guy to cap was a elf wizard with a base con of 6,ever since then he has a game plan of any guy he has must have a fully buffed con of 38.....

[adamkatt]

im not saying i have the best sorc in the ddo world but..

http://my.ddo.com/character/cannith/outatime/

now i dont melee at all, but one would think with that build and the loss of sp your taking you would focus on str to melee.

[alexthegood]

im not saying i have the best sorc in the ddo world but..

http://my.ddo.com/character/cannith/outatime/

now i dont melee at all, but one would think with that build and the loss of sp your taking you would focus on str to melee.

prolly gana lr to a pure sorc if i can ever get a heart of wood :(

[WTFFowler]

One thing i notice in almost all your replies is you keep saying "I can..." or "I do this...." Which maybe all true, but unless you've got the reputation to back it up, than all the leader will see is "Character John Doe Xsorc/Xpally/Xmonk want to join your group."

The leaders can only go by that assuming they never ran with you before or don't trust the guild tag. You might get the occasional tell questioning your build to see if its what they are looking for(especially if you're running epic raids/ high end content) or flat out declines as you've seen already.

From my personal experiences, I'm always a bit hesitant to accept off the path builds like yours when I start a pug for higher end content. Like just what is it you're character can contribute, are you as a person a competent player making a flavor build that works or did you just pike your way to 20.

Nothing against you or your build, but much like in rock and roll, the hardest part of off-beat builds is getting your big moment to shine. Someone will give you your shot one day, just don't blow it

[Astraghal]

People who know their builds are solid, never have to come to the forums and ask the question.

[dredre9987]

So I have to ask...what do you do in a group with this build? what is it made to do?

[AMDarkwolf]

Phrase it carefully, though, or they'll take it as sarcasm and try to educate you in How To Play The Game.

Keep an open mind, and you won't miss good advice. Just don't look for it from someone who declines based soley on class splits.

(for the OP, not ATMA)

Ya you would just deny me cuz its me, :D

[alexthegood]

So I have to ask...what do you do in a group with this build? what is it made to do?

nuke witch it can do.

[alexthegood]

One thing i notice in almost all your replies is you keep saying "I can..." or "I do this...." Which maybe all true, but unless you've got the reputation to back it up, than all the leader will see is "Character John Doe Xsorc/Xpally/Xmonk want to join your group."

The leaders can only go by that assuming they never ran with you before or don't trust the guild tag. You might get the occasional tell questioning your build to see if its what they are looking for(especially if you're running epic raids/ high end content) or flat out declines as you've seen already.

From my personal experiences, I'm always a bit hesitant to accept off the path builds like yours when I start a pug for higher end content. Like just what is it you're character can contribute, are you as a person a competent player making a flavor build that works or did you just pike your way to 20.

Nothing against you or your build, but much like in rock and roll, the hardest part of off-beat builds is getting your big moment to shine. Someone will give you your shot one day, just don't blow it

hmmm.......i come here for advice thing about lr-ing to pure sorc why i came to here. im am not a elite expert player,
but i am not a burden to the party last time i checked also helps being f2p,not much content besides shroud to run when you cap.

[Qhualor]

a 12 sorc, 6 pally and 2 monk is a tank caster. with their DOTs, they can tank anything and just shield block without even swinging. its like the pre u9 sword and board intimi tanks. ive grouped with a few tank casters before and good luck trying to pull aggro. i dont know what they really provide beyond tanking, but i wouldnt turn down a build like that in my lfm.

i scanned through the replies and didnt see the OPs build, but i give everybody a chance in my groups. if ive grouped with you enough to get a decent impression, good or bad, than that is what will decide for me if i want to group with you again. i decline players, not builds.

[Ryiah]

nuke witch it can do.

I must be missing something, the build can do more than just nuke right? Most builds I see like this function a bit like Tukaw where you run around wearing the Docent of Defiance and swinging a two-handed weapon. Works pretty well but uses rogue over monk because the more AC you have the less often the docent procs.

Providing some details on your build and gear would be very helpful. Because if all you did was nuke on that build, and it was reflected in your gear on MyDDO, I'd probably decline you too.

[Jaid314]

i'd say it's got a lot to do with expectations formed.

often, when you see a really oddball build, it's because the person making it is utterly clueless. you yourself may or may not fit that, but that's the hazard of having an oddball build, even if it's an effective oddball build. especially now that we're seeing people so dead-set on running everything on elite with no exceptions.

taking someone with a "standard" build is not a guarantee of success, but it's more likely to lead to at least mediocrity than bringing in someone with an unusual build.

would i take your sorcerer in my group? depends what i'm running. i can at least see the reasoning behind a sorc/pally/monk multiclass, which means you at least *thought* about what you were doing and were informed enough to look ahead and see some synergy. that's a good start. so i probably would accept you, if i was leading.

but on the other hand, i can sorta see where those declines come from. if people don't know you (and if you've been soloing, it stands to reason people don't know you), all they have to go from is your character when you apply. and while there isn't a 100% correlation between bad players and non-standard builds, i wouldn't say they're unrelated either.

i've seen people with 200 HP at level 20 contribute effectively. i've seen a lot more of them die repeatedly though.

i've seen multiclassed casters that do well. and i've seen a lot more that don't. i'll usually try to give almost anyone one chance, but it also depends on the content... if i know the content i'm running is really difficult, i'm going to filter more than if it's something i know i can trivially solo anyways.

[fuzzy1guy]

Redacted

[Qhualor]

A level 15 sorc with pretty good saves and ok hp.

Do you have the large damage a pure sorc will? No.
Anything DC based? No.
Debuffs? No.
The spellpen? Already much less than a wizards. No.
The variety of spells? The buff durations and abilities expected as a caster role? No.
Do you have the large damage expected of a melee character? No.

You have a jack of all trades master of none with average self healing.
What role do you expect party leaders to give you? Because i have no idea and if i wanted a specific role filled i'd deny you too.
And i'm all for letting people do their own thing.
But there's some things your primary class should be expected to do. And you don't do them.

And you use vale elite solo as your benchmark?
You can complete vale elite at level 12 solo.


Most partys expect and require alot more than JUST being able to survive. You can do that by piking at the entrance.

elite vale at 12!? a player and build like that wouldnt even bother with groups than. for that matter, those are the kind of players i read about heroic feats accomplishing hard quests that 99% of the time are done by 6 or 12 man groups. i dont even solo elite vale on any of my toons and i solo epics.

[alexthegood]

a 12 sorc, 6 pally and 2 monk is a tank caster. with their DOTs, they can tank anything and just shield block without even swinging. its like the pre u9 sword and board intimi tanks. ive grouped with a few tank casters before and good luck trying to pull aggro. i dont know what they really provide beyond tanking, but i wouldnt turn down a build like that in my lfm.

i scanned through the replies and didnt see the OPs build, but i give everybody a chance in my groups. if ive grouped with you enough to get a decent impression, good or bad, than that is what will decide for me if i want to group with you again. i decline players, not builds.

idk came here for some stuff to get cleared up not to be told my builds bad,
ok,info full ice/ele max dots good hp,good saves *fine* nuke power,hast.rage, displacement,extended<.
search highbot got this build form him,i really like playing it.

[Vormaerin]

elite vale at 12!? a player and build like that wouldnt even bother with groups than. for that matter, those are the kind of players i read about heroic feats accomplishing hard quests that 99% of the time are done by 6 or 12 man groups. i dont even solo elite vale on any of my toons and i solo epics.

Considering the quests in the Vale are lvl 16, you can't even open them solo at lvl 12.... Makes it kind of hard to take the poster seriously when he says stuff like that..

[hecate355]

This is my personal opinion. @OP

yes it does work, but at the same time you miss multiple key aspects, which are already pointed out befor my post. No instakills, nothing dc based, medicore to good nuking damage.

You cant crowd control at top end content, you cant make meaningful scratch on mobs hps with that build and mana either.

The content WILL get more difficult past vale and people would be forced to take another caster to side you.

I think whats happening here, is people extrapolating their end game experience to less needy game stage and thus disregard you as valid build.

I have had low dc pure sorc(wf), and i dont really like it anymore, dc based casting can bring sooo much more to the table, than any direct nuking AND if you build for dc, you can more less have BOTH.

[Qhualor]

idk came here for some stuff to get cleared up not to be told my builds bad,
ok,info full ice/ele max dots good hp,good saves *fine* nuke power,hast.rage, displacement,extended<.
search highbot got this build form him,i really like playing it.

the way i look at it, this is a game you are trying to have fun playing. if you like your build, than play it. dont listen to anybody else if its beyond friendly criticism. if you are having trouble trying to get into groups, than i would suggest forming your own and trying to find some friends who would group with you. some people dont understand builds that arent cookie cutter. imagine what people first thought when people started mixing classes like barb and rogue, wizard and rogue and fighter, barb and ranger. people thought you were gimping yourself if you didnt mix "properly" or go full 20 for capstone. on the forums and in game, unfortunately, you have to have thick skin.

[Deathdefy]

Every time I TR my main into a new weird build split, I expect consistent denial from people I don't know.

Just the nature of the game, and I really wouldn't take it to heart. Take the challenge people recommend and finish the quest in the time it takes them to fill.

If I was unsure I could solo complete (with the other 5 people still affecting scaling) a quest I had an lfm up for, I wouldn't first 5 and go, and would probably reject a lot of my own weirder builds unless I recognized the player name, or they were from 4 or 5 guilds I have a lot of faith in. That said, if they messaged me and were like "hey, I know the split's weird, but I really can contribute well", I'd send them an invite immediately.

I only feel mildly peevish when my weirder splits are denied from Reaver's Fate, because come on. Even if I am total deadweight there are 11 others! 11!

[Daggertooth]

My husband's first build was the pally/monk/sorc and he loved it. He did get some declines but the people who played with him always remembered him because he often carried their stones to the shrine.

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Heh not criticizing but just sayin if the caster had to carry everyone to the shrine that could be a problem with the caster. Always amazes me I run epics w/ my sorceror 80% of the time the healer shrines with a full bar, barely spent any spell points whatsoever. Caster who knows what he's doin and you dont even need heals... anytime you need a heal chances are the caster dropped the ball. Caster's job to control the situation.. if the caster is carrying eveyrone's stone to the shrine this isnt always a good sign :rolleyes: Of course not all casters are like this and most of em are pretty hardheaded. Most of em so wrapped up in insta killng that they flush 80% of their spell points down the drain and barely contribute squat in the procss. A caster who works w/ the melees can easily have enough to CC, dps and keep everyone hasted and displaced... and if he's really good you don't even need a healer.

[ArcaneMelee]

Ya you would just deny me cuz its me, :D

No way - glad you're back.

[Astars]

Your build reminds me of Tamariz/Piti from old devourer. One of the best players there was. I'd just take you in groups for old times sake ;)

Cheers

Ast

[alexthegood]

Your build reminds me of Tamariz/Piti from old devourer. One of the best players there was. I'd just take you in groups for old times sake ;)

Cheers

Ast

thnx, :D
guess i should get thicker skin..

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Strange builds usually will gather a second glance from better players. However, if those ppl do not know you as others have said your gear and stats on myddo are lacking at best, and seem to reflect a poorly thought out build. This is the flip side to multi class/strange builds, they can be done well by experienced players, but unfortunately they are often done poorly and people's horrid experiences with those poor builds colors their future references and makes them less likely to want to give a strange build a chance, especially in a raid.

Many folks are now familiar with the Tukaw build (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901), which as you can see contributes melee damage and rogue skills in addition to elemental type damage and not DC based spells. You advise in your posts you focus on dot spells, and others have pointed out wisely that you sacrificed DC's and spell points for evasion and saves. You can make trade offs in multi class builds, it is just strongly advised if you want to be accepted to groups to make the trade offs in the right areas. Take a look at the Tukaw build, perhaps reincarnate into that if you like the evasion and saves, and build a stronger well rounded character. As it stands now, I would in all likelihood decline you as well as you do not contribute sufficiently to the party.

I believe from your posts you know this, and this is why you want to fix/change the build. Soloing quests elite is not a measure of a good player, especially as due to dungeon scaling the difficulty of your quest solo is much smaller than the same quest on elite with a full group. This is a group MMO, your play in groups and/or raids is what counts. I believe from your posts you know this, and this is why you want to fix/change the build. Look at the Tukaw build, (scroll down tot he level 20 build, listen to the advice from the posts here and work on it, then you will find yourself accepted more often.

[alexthegood]

Strange builds usually will gather a second glance from better players. However, if those ppl do not know you as others have said your gear and stats on myddo are lacking at best, and seem to reflect a poorly thought out build. This is the flip side to multi class/strange builds, they can be done well by experienced players, but unfortunately they are often done poorly and people's horrid experiences with those poor builds colors their future references and makes them less likely to want to give a strange build a chance, especially in a raid.

Many folks are now familiar with the Tukaw build (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901), which as you can see contributes melee damage and rogue skills in addition to elemental type damage and not DC based spells. You advise in your posts you focus on dot spells, and others have pointed out wisely that you sacrificed DC's and spell points for evasion and saves. You can make trade offs in multi class builds, it is just strongly advised if you want to be accepted to groups to make the trade offs in the right areas. Take a look at the Tukaw build, perhaps reincarnate into that if you like the evasion and saves, and build a stronger well rounded character. As it stands now, I would in all likelihood decline you as well as you do not contribute sufficiently to the party.

I believe from your posts you know this, and this is why you want to fix/change the build. Soloing quests elite is not a measure of a good player, especially as due to dungeon scaling the difficulty of your quest solo is much smaller than the same quest on elite with a full group. This is a group MMO, your play in groups and/or raids is what counts. I believe from your posts you know this, and this is why you want to fix/change the build. Look at the Tukaw build, (scroll down tot he level 20 build, listen to the advice from the posts here and work on it, then you will find yourself accepted more often.

thats my plan if i wanna quest with this guy after i cap :)

[dredre9987]

With your myddo page on this guy I can see why people decline you..Not a lot you bring to the table that couldn't be done better. I don't personally know you but I would have a hard time finding a role for you in a group.

your saves arent that good. decent yes but nothing stellar. Not much in any forms of damage reduction ( ac, dr, etc. ) So if tanking your hp will drop quickly. And gear choicing so far leaves much to be desired. HP do not make a toon capable :)

[NaturalHazard]

It's them.

The social stigma of DDO is such that if you aren't conforming to the accepted standard of builds, then you must be gimped or of questionable intelligence.

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post changed after I myddoed your charactor. I thought you where going with something along the lines of a tukaw build, others have pointed out ways you can improve. Good luck and hope you have fun playing the game.

but i would of taken you for vale, esp if it wasnt on elite.

[NaturalHazard]

,hast.rage, displacement,extended<.
search highbot got this build form him,i really like playing it.

Well I now know it wasn't axer who declined you if you where from khyber. :D

[mournbladereigns]

I'm guessing this is the toon your talking about since your myddo page only lists your cleric

http://my.ddo.com/character/argonnessen/vadx/

I'm just wondering with those stats what do you use to damage the enemies.

Heh, I have a 16Sorc/2pal/2rog tukaw build (Water Savant II), that has like 38str/28cha buffed. Not as many hitpoints though. I guess you have a LOT of guards to do damage with. I usually swing around a Min2 GA, and drop CL 20 polar rays and Niacs DoT's and like Ice Storms.

I thought you were talking about a 12sorc/6pal/2monk build like I have. It's Earth Savant II/DoSI Which can still be solid. Of course, I usually don't bother with anything but like Shrouds DQ's/Reavers/HoX's/VoD at cap with them. Partly cause I find end-game grinidng t3h boring, and partly cause of the cranked up req's the devs have added for Elite/Epic ****.

I'm saving those for after I TR a few times and am bored enough to try them.

Have funz

[alexthegood]

Heh, I have a 16Sorc/2pal/2rog tukaw build (Water Savant II), that has like 38str/28cha buffed. Not as many hitpoints though. I guess you have a LOT of guards to do damage with. I usually swing around a Min2 GA, and drop CL 20 polar rays and Niacs DoT's and like Ice Storms.

I thought you were talking about a 12sorc/6pal/2monk build like I have. It's Earth Savant II/DoSI Which can still be solid. Of course, I usually don't bother with anything but like Shrouds DQ's/Reavers/HoX's/VoD at cap with them. Partly cause I find end-game grinidng t3h boring, and partly cause of the cranked up req's the devs have added for Elite/Epic ****.

I'm saving those for after I TR a few times and am bored enough to try them.

Have funz

did i tell you im f2p yet and this is my flavor guy? i have a pure ranger with gear 36str,24con,30dex 504hp.,wiz 38int,38con 724hp/sp1978,mnk splash...its all about gear was not wise to post here b4 i geared him up with shroud stuff. xD

[Ryiah]

did i tell you im f2p yet and this is my flavor guy? i have a pure ranger with gear 36str,24con,30dex 504hp.,wiz 38int,38con 724hp/sp1978,mnk splash...its all about gear was not wise to post here b4 i geared him up with shroud stuff. xD

I think the issue is more that you're attempting to be a nuke build without having the build to match it. It'd be one thing if you were a Tukaw-style build without gear. That's understandable - the gear is just so expensive (the docent usually sells on Khyber in trade because the auction house's platinum cap is too low). But you're attempting to pull off a nuking playstyle with a build that just isn't made for that.

Some people have mentioned you getting excluded from parties is because they don't know you, but I'm going to also state that the opposite is quite possible as well. People might have grouped with you, noticed you were a nuker without a nuking build, and are declining you now.

[alexthegood]

I think the issue is more that you're attempting to be a nuke build without having the build to match it. It'd be one thing if you were a Tukaw-style build without gear. That's understandable - the gear is just so expensive (the docent usually sells on Khyber in trade because the auction house's platinum cap is too low). But you're attempting to pull off a nuking playstyle with a build that just isn't made for that.

Some people have mentioned you getting excluded from parties is because they don't know you, but I'm going to also state that the opposite is quite possible as well. People might have grouped with you, noticed you were a nuker without a nuking build, and are declining you now.

ok,to all there own guess im a oddball :D

[Ryiah]

ok,to all there own guess im a oddball :D

No more oddball than my attempts a wizard monk. :rolleyes:

[Inferno346]

You guys are behind the times. :P
Con-based sorcs, fvs, and even clerics are perfectly viable. In fact, I'd say swinging a greataxe on a capped sorc is a waste of time these days... just dot the bosses up, ice storm for the trash, and shieldblock.

A "buffbot" can out-dps ALL melees vs. most bosses, and can also handle aggro of dangerous bosses until the next intim if he/she pulls.

The issue with the great dps of human Cha-based sorcs is that in a lot of situations they have to hold back, since they won't be able to survive aggro.

That being said, I'd prefer 20 sorc or 18 sorc / 2 monk... 16 levels is a bit diluted for my taste.

[WTFFowler]

hmmm.......i come here for advice thing about lr-ing to pure sorc why i came to here. im am not a elite expert player,
but i am not a burden to the party last time i checked also helps being f2p,not much content besides shroud to run when you cap.

Than i misread your original intent on the post. I was giving a bit of insight into why you might have been turned down for groups. I'm no power gamer, I only have a few pieces of epic gear, and builds far from optimal. Having never played with you, but am familiar with your build(it was 2 rogue not monk but i'm not sure the difference), I don't mind seeing it. If they say they can take i'm holding them to it.

As to if you should go pure sorc. That is your call. I'm not sure your personal playstyle or what you enjoy playing. Even if i did thats a personal thing.

[alexthegood]

Than i misread your original intent on the post. I was giving a bit of insight into why you might have been turned down for groups. I'm no power gamer, I only have a few pieces of epic gear, and builds far from optimal. Having never played with you, but am familiar with your build(it was 2 rogue not monk but i'm not sure the difference), I don't mind seeing it. If they say they can take i'm holding them to it.

As to if you should go pure sorc. That is your call. I'm not sure your personal playstyle or what you enjoy playing. Even if i did thats a personal thing.

thanks for the advice.

[goodspeed]

if it was 18 lvs of sorc then I don't see the problem so long as you got sp up. A mage without sp is a dead log. I just had a 18 sorc, 1 barb and something else in a shroud group. Had around 2700sp I think. Did fine.

[alexthegood]

if it was 18 lvs of sorc then I don't see the problem so long as you got sp up. A mage without sp is a dead log. I just had a 18 sorc, 1 barb and something else in a shroud group. Had around 2700sp I think. Did fine.

yeh i need to buy hearts of wood.

[Yagi]

Isp is going nuts atm, having trouble loading this entire thread...guessing this is about the pvp build so many people seem to like to use...
No, that build is absolutely not useless in groups in fact its powerful if used correctly, self-sufficiant survivibility+consistant/free dps from guards, cant go wrong, just need to keep the agro. The thing is that alot of folks hear about it ruling in pvp or pve or something and they think they can build for that power, but thats the type of build thats absolutely dependant on gear by its very design.

I can see how people might get the wrong impression by seeing folks playing it while still working on the gear who dont yet understanding the limitations or intent of the build but thats not the build's fault. That same player could be rolling around as anything and would probably be performing poorly, they are still learning.

But in the right hands I imagine it would be extremely useful. I havent actually seen that happen but the concept is very sound and I can see how a self-healing porcupine tank would work, a standard mmo strategy perfected for ddo.

[alexthegood]

Isp is going nuts atm, having trouble loading this entire thread...guessing this is about the pvp build so many people seem to like to use...
No, that build is absolutely not useless in groups in fact its powerful if used correctly, self-sufficiant survivibility+consistant/free dps from guards, cant go wrong, just need to keep the agro. The thing is that alot of folks hear about it ruling in pvp or pve or something and they think they can build for that power, but thats the type of build thats absolutely dependant on gear by its very design.

I can see how people might get the wrong impression by seeing folks playing it while still working on the gear who dont yet understanding the limitations or intent of the build but thats not the build's fault. That same player could be rolling around as anything and would probably be performing poorly, they are still learning.

But in the right hands I imagine it would be extremely useful. I havent actually seen that happen but the concept is very sound and I can see how a self-healing porcupine tank would work, a standard mmo strategy perfected for ddo.
yeh this my be my pvp guy xD planing on making pvp wiz into dc wiz.

[alexthegood]

capped him,still need to buy a +2 con tome thro:P