DR breaker Question for Epic Lailat

[arjiwan]

A THF barbarian tried using a +5 Holy Long Bow of Evil Outsider Bane with cold iron arrows which is I assume will break DR. The damage was 2-3.
A triple Pos healing amp 10/20/30% throwing axe was dishing out more damage, around 10-30.

Why is that? Is it because of no range weapon focus? Does the bow needed to be a +5 Holy Burst of Greater Evil Outsider Bane to dish out damage?


Another question. From a hands of a KOTC pally, +5 Holy Cold Iron Falchion of Evil Outsider Bane, dishes out the same abysmal damage. I think the holy sword spell does more damage.
Why?

Thanks all.

[luvirini]

You need bow strength feat to get strength bonus to bows, so unless you have it a throwing weapon is better for a barbarian.

[Memek]

The bow should break DR but as mentioned, for a throwing weapon you get Strength bonus.

2-3 dmg sounds pretty low as the base damage should get higher than that, maybe it has something to do with grazing hits. Because you probably arent getting proper hits with a Dex based weapon.

[arjiwan]

Yes, that's what I'm thinking also. The bow wouldn't work because of no Bow feats.

But to the second point, why is a falchion doing the same damage?

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Yes, that's what I'm thinking also. The bow wouldn't work because of no Bow feats.

But to the second point, why is a falchion doing the same damage?

IDK But it sounds like str was a dump stat. JK. That falchion should break DR and should crit a decent amount. Is this KOTC pallie have any str? Or is it a huge Charisma/Con monster that cant be killed but couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with a cannon from 2 feet away?

[arjiwan]

IDK But it sounds like str was a dump stat. JK. That falchion should break DR and should crit a decent amount. Is this KOTC pallie have any str? Or is it a huge Charisma/Con monster that cant be killed but couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with a cannon from 2 feet away?

Strength 18, with +5 level ups and the normal +6 items.

Hmm...

[TempestAlphaOmega]

2-3 damage sounds more like Grazing Hits then actual damage

http://ddowiki.com/page/Grazing_Hit

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Strength 18, with +5 level ups and the normal +6 items.

Hmm...

Did you put any feats into 2 handed fighting feats? I know its a pain to fit in certain things on a pallie as they are already feat starved. Holy Cold Iron alone should break DR let alone on a KOTC pallie. The Evil Outsider Bane should is an additional +2 to hit and 2d6 damage so you so at minimum you should be hitting for 19 damage f all your damage dice are 1s. So either you are having an issue hitting and getting glancing blows or you are not telling us something.

[arjiwan]

Yup, I do think that was glancing blows, because there was no animation of holy on the damage.

The kotc pally has the full THF feats. Non-tred, non-strength dumpstat build. Basic THF kotc pally.

She is doing some 400 crit, non lightning damage using a lit 2 on trash mobs / normal horoth and normal sulo.

Like what I said in the OP, the holy sword deals more damage against lailat, so I was wondering if the weapon is not that good.

[Ravoc-DDO]

You got hit by disjunction balls.

[arjiwan]

You got hit by disjunction balls.

hehe, EDQ2 :D

thanks for the reply though :)

[Paleus]

Unfortunately the amount of information you provided cannot give you a definitive answer as to your second question. The answer should be, the holy sword should not be dealing that noticeable of a damage difference.

However, there are a few things I would like to know before stating that. First, what weapon are you using in the holy sword spell? You are using a falchion for your bane weapon, but I don't think that is available for the holy sword. Does the holy sword have a higher base damage, or a different crit profile? Are you using a holy sword that you are specialized in but the reverse is not true of your bane weapon? In your testing scenarios were you doing everything the same (i.e. same buffs, same debuffs, same movement, etc)? What is the exact damage difference?

My intuition is telling me that the answer to your second question is: Because something is not comparable between your holy sword and your bane weapon tests which is skewing the results. That intuition may be wrong, but more information would help narrow down an answer.

[arjiwan]

Unfortunately the amount of information you provided cannot give you a definitive answer as to your second question. The answer should be, the holy sword should not be dealing that noticeable of a damage difference.

However, there are a few things I would like to know before stating that. First, what weapon are you using in the holy sword spell? You are using a falchion for your bane weapon, but I don't think that is available for the holy sword. Does the holy sword have a higher base damage, or a different crit profile? Are you using a holy sword that you are specialized in but the reverse is not true of your bane weapon? In your testing scenarios were you doing everything the same (i.e. same buffs, same debuffs, same movement, etc)? What is the exact damage difference?

My intuition is telling me that the answer to your second question is: Because something is not comparable between your holy sword and your bane weapon tests which is skewing the results. That intuition may be wrong, but more information would help narrow down an answer.

Thanks for giving the time to answer to this thread even though I haven't provided a complete information.

Here are some info. EDQ2. Queen goes in to the platform. Using the +5 Cold Iron Falchion Holy Evil Outsider Bane. I am only seeing low numbers, maybe 10-20, not really sure. The 1-2 damage was exaggeration on the falchion part (but true to my bow story). Since my damage was low, I then switched to Holy Sword Greatsword with cold iron spell.

Full THF line. Strength based KOTC pally.

Honestly, I am not really sure if the Holy sword deals more damage or I was very very disgusted by the Cold Iron Falchion. It was on the same fight, and it was really really chaotic.

My question is, is my +5 Cold Iron Falchion H EOB no good?

[Qhualor]

on my barbarian i noticed i can crit around 300 normally using a +5 metalline throwing axe of pure good. ive seen around 425 before.

[Paleus]

My question is, is my +5 Cold Iron Falchion H EOB no good?

Assuming everything is the same your falchion should be performing on par or better than your holy weapon. Someone more inclined to run the numbers could help crunch that for me. The falchion should have a +2 to hit and 2+2d6 per swing and a better crit profile compared to losing out on the burst and better base damage on a greatsword.

Two possibilities are that A) cannith crafting is bugged in someway I am not aware of (I am assuming this is cannith crafted weapon) or B) you should ignore your gut on this one.

That all said, both weapons are good, but could be better.