Requesting a FvS Build

[Tacktik]

Been running classes and funky multi-classes I haven't run before and decided that after my current project I would like to make a Wis based FvS. I've never made one that lasted beyond lvl 5 but would love to try! Could someone give me some advice on how one could make this? Helf race preferred, splashes are acceptable. :)

[Habreno]

*Working on it*

As a HElf would be preferred, can I assume 32-point builds?


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
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HElf 32Point Favored Soul
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 312
Spell Points: 1893
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 12
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 11 12
Dexterity 8 10
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 13 14
Wisdom 18 28
Charisma 10 15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 1 11
Bluff 0 2
Concentration 6 27
Diplomacy 0 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 2
Heal 4 11
Hide -1 0
Intimidate 0 2
Jump 0 16
Listen 4 9
Move Silently -1 0
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 2
Search 1 2
Spot 4 9
Swim 0 1
Tumble n/a 2
Use Magic Device 2 13

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Improved Wizard Dilettante I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Enhancement: Improved Wizard Dilettante II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Enhancement: Improved Wizard Dilettante III


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Silver
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II




Hope this works. Just came up with it quickly.

[Tacktik]

Yes sir, 32-point is available. If it goes well, I may make a 34-point. Thanks for working on it!

[Cardtrick]

If you're going Helf and staying pure, I'd strongly suggest Monk Dilletante for the extra 2 stacking tiers of Improved Recovery. Those two, along with the normal two Helf tiers, give you 144% healing amp before any gear at all. With even moderate healing amp gear investment, you'll break 200%. Then go the Sovereign Host route for the free capstone cure light wounds, which can be maximized, empowered, quickened -- and is still free. With your healing amp and a superior ardor clicky, you'll have an uninterruptable free self-heal for well over 100 HP.

Between that, your 10 DR at cap, good DCs on instant kill spells and blade barrier, wings, and all the other goodies a favored soul gets, you'll be well-nigh unkillable.

[Habreno]

Went WIZ for arcane buffs, but lowering INT and upping something else could go with Monk for the heal amp.

Also, could start with lower INT but 13 INT base will get you the WIZ dilly without an LR.

[Tacktik]

Thanks a lot guys, this is mostly what I was looking for. Just a few more questions.

Would it be possible to drop wis by 2 points and int by 1? I'd rather go Monk dilly as Card suggested than Wiz. The extra points from this could allow me to bump cha and str considerably. I think the gain outweighs the loss of 1 DC, but as I said, I have never taken a FvS beyond 4th.

+1 to both of you, thanks for helping!

[Chette]

I wouldn't drop wisdom. You want every DC you can muster.

18 wis, 14-16 con and the other points wherever you want depending on dilettantes.

Feats:
Toughness
Maximize
Quicken
Empower
SF-Evocation
GSF-Evocation
Heighten

Skills:
Concentration
Jump
Balance

[Tacktik]

I wouldn't drop wisdom. You want every DC you can muster.

18 wis, 14-16 con and the other points wherever you want depending on dilettantes.

Feats:
Toughness
Maximize
Quicken
Empower
SF-Evocation
GSF-Evocation
Heighten

Skills:
Concentration
Jump
Balance

Thanks, that answers that. I really like the feats here, so this is probably how I'd go. Combining what I like out of all these ideas I get:


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1933
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 11
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 12 12
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 18 26
Charisma 10 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 1 10.5
Bluff 0 2
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 0 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 2
Heal 4 8
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 0 2
Jump 1 1
Listen 4 8
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 1 3
Spot 4 10
Swim 1 1
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 2 13.5

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Undying Court
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Favored Soul)


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 16 (Favored Soul)


Level 17 (Favored Soul)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Cold Iron
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Undying Court
Enhancement: Undying Call (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II




Would love any input!

EDIT: Only tome I would use on this is Wis +2 from favor. I don't have much RL money, and tomes I find go to toons who REALLY need them.

[scottmike0]

Thanks, that answers that. I really like the feats here, so this is probably how I'd go. Combining what I like out of all these ideas I get:


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1933
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 11
Will: 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 12 12
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 18 26
Charisma 10 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 1 10.5
Bluff 0 2
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy 0 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 0 2
Heal 4 8
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 0 2
Jump 1 1
Listen 4 8
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 1 3
Spot 4 10
Swim 1 1
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 2 13.5

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Undying Court
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Favored Soul)


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 16 (Favored Soul)


Level 17 (Favored Soul)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Cold Iron
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Undying Court
Enhancement: Undying Call (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II




Would love any input!

EDIT: Only tome I would use on this is Wis +2 from favor. I don't have much RL money, and tomes I find go to toons who REALLY need them.

ok, taking heighten is a really bad idea at 18, take it on the spot where you took greater evocation
reasons why is 5 dc always gonna be greater than 1 dc to one class

[Muldamai]

Yes, don't drop Wisdom for anything, my wisdom based FvS is level 20, and I will lesser TR just to make the wisdom 18 instead of 16 that I started her with. My most powerful character is my Wizard Pale Master, but the FvS rivals if not even surpassing the level of fun I can have with a character. If I don't quite kill something, I go whack it with a stick until it stops moving, a very satisfying experience.

[Chette]

ok, taking heighten is a really bad idea at 18, take it on the spot where you took greater evocation
reasons why is 5 dc always gonna be greater than 1 dc to one class

I disagree, heighten is unnecessary until very late in the game. I always take it as my last feat on a divine. For an arcane with many useful low level DC spells I would take it around level 9, but not on a divine.

Taking heighten at 15 will certainly not hurt, but it's not really necessary, and I prefer the free +1 DC to evocation spells that GSF Evo provides as you will be casting primarily blade barrier before level 18.

[Cardtrick]

I disagree, heighten is unnecessary until very late in the game. I always take it as my last feat on a divine. For an arcane with many useful low level DC spells I would take it around level 9, but not on a divine.

Taking heighten at 15 will certainly not hurt, but it's not really necessary, and I prefer the free +1 DC to evocation spells that GSF Evo provides as you will be casting primarily blade barrier before level 18.

100% agree with this. Heighten is an essential feat for a DC-oriented caster, yes, but it's also very SP-expensive, and using it will be a situational choice until you're capped and well-geared. I would never take it earlier than 15, and often don't build it in until 18.

[Carpone]

If you want a WIS based FvS, then read this thread:

http://images.ddoforum.turbine.com/showthread.php?t=199266

Excellent information on spell, gear and race selection.

[Habreno]

By the way, left the 15 and 18 feat slots empty on the build I posted, allowing SF and GSF of your choice.

[Azithoth]

be nice if they'd finish the prestiges to the class. a healer class and the only prestige is a melee...

[SirValentine]

be nice if they'd finish the prestiges to the class. a healer class and the only prestige is a melee...


I could get into the whole "FvS is not a 'healer' class unless you choose to build one that way" thing, but I guess I won't.

The single current PrE for FvS is the offensive caster PrE, not the melee PrE.

Notice that it requires an offensive casting feat as a pre-requisite, and spell point and spell damage enhancements, adds 30% to (some) damage spells, and lowers enemy saves and spell resistance, but doesn't really improve your melee at all.

[macadope]

I am a strong proponent of a spell pen feat on your first life. If not both spell pen feats. It doesn't matter what your dc's are if you can't land anything.

It's a good feeling greater commanding an abishai in epic chrono and saving the party. You can get your dc's high enough without the spell focus.

If you go max spell pen, and max dc's with items I recommend:
Epic Helm of the Mroranon
+3 exceptional
+2 alchemical
+3 tome (or +4 if you can get it)
+1 profane (litany)

With these items you will be able to acheive about a 46 wisdom....with store pots 48...abishai cookies 52

[Azithoth]

I could get into the whole "FvS is not a 'healer' class unless you choose to build one that way" thing, but I guess I won't.

The single current PrE for FvS is the offensive caster PrE, not the melee PrE.

Notice that it requires an offensive casting feat as a pre-requisite, and spell point and spell damage enhancements, adds 30% to (some) damage spells, and lowers enemy saves and spell resistance, but doesn't really improve your melee at all.

yeah, i see what you are saying and you are correct. my thought when i posted that was more in the line of i wish they would stop creating more unfinished game and finish what has been in game for years. to me, the game is about your toon, and creating it. they've been so centered on getting new players they don't seen to care about finishing what they started... there's how many unfinished prestiges?