Stun/Trip bard... crazy idea?

[Victor_1]

Recent update introduced new named items, including spare hand.
Also improved sunder provides -4 fort save debuff as long as you hit mob with this attack.
Alchemical weapons can be upgraded with stunning +10 in non-blunt weapons as well.

This got me thinking about stun/trip bard, from my quick calc shows they can aim for mid 40+ DC for both stun/trip. Here's what I could came up.

18 Bard/ 2 Fighter Half Orc, max strength type.

10 base DC
17 from 44 STR (20 base, +5 lv, +3 tome, +3 exceptional, +3 enhancement, +6 item, +2 ship, +2 rage)
10 from stunning weapon
5 from Sparehand belt.
4 from successful improved sunder hit
1 from fighter enhancement

= 47 Stunning blow DC, 43 w/o hitting Improved Sunder.

As for the trip DC...

10 base
17 from 44 STR
15 from Epic Deneith Heavy Chain
5 from Sparehand,
1 from fighter enhancement,

= 48 regular Trip DC.


I believe these numbers are quite useful range even in epics.
However, this character obviously rely ALOT on equipments to fully perform these tactic feats.
I am wondering if they are worthwhile investment, or not. So any thoughts?

[TheDearLeader]

The "Trauma" Debuff from Improved Sunder is not -4 to Fort Saves.

It is:

a -3 Fort Save
Stackable five times
Party-wide.


For a total of -15 to Fort Saves, but initially -3.

That seems like a lot of gear, and also three combat feats *not* part of Warchanter II.

The DCs are passable, but the Trip will taper off in efficacy in Epics. Since it's a straight Strength/Dex check, instead of some Fortitude/Reflex Save, most Epic mobs (including casters) will end up saving because of how overinflated their stats are.

[Victor_1]

The "Trauma" Debuff from Improved Sunder is not -4 to Fort Saves.

It is:

a -3 Fort Save
Stackable five times
Party-wide.


For a total of -15 to Fort Saves, but initially -3.


My bad, I must have confused with something else :o

About combat feats, I think they can be obtainable if you not going for THF line.
But I do understand their importance on DPS increase, was just wondering if stunning mobs are more useful in group than personal DPS.

As for the trip, I heard mid-40 dc can be useful even in epic, so that got me to thinking about it using deneith chain.
But I don't have any character that can hit near 40 dc trip, so I cannot test it by myself.