WF AM: Where to slot GS HP/ConOpp item?

[Raoull]

I'm just about ready to start making greensteel... and I'm wondering where it goes.
Right now, I'm looking at the options:

Helm: initially bad since Minos is so good... but if I ever get epiced out, I can slot the toughness and heavy fort....
gloves: main competition is bramblecasters
bracers: main competition is.... well, if I go PM in a future life I might want the Demon Consort bracers.

Sometimes I see cloak, boots and googles listed, but I have an epic Mabar cloak in the bank along the new Cannith Spell pen goggles. Boots is almost an option, but I do like rocketboots... and there is the whole ToD thing....

I'm leaning toward bracers currently.

Any thoughts? I tried searching the forums, but the similar conversations I found were focused on PMs or Sorcerers....
If it matters, I'm a Necro/Conj AM, and imagine will largely stay that way.

[gloopygloop]

You can get a Greater Spell Focus (+2 DC) for any one spell school on your bracers and the Fire Shield: Cold from Bracers of the Glacier stacks with Fire Shield: Cold from a spell if you get into serious Fire trouble, so there are some nice options for Bracers.

Honestly, every gear slot has some nice options now.

I'd probably still go with Goggles, though. The Cannith goggles are nice, but if I had to pick one item to drop to make room for HP and Concordant Opp, that would be it.

[Raoull]

Yeah, I thought of crafted bracers when I was playing earlier, as I'm wearing them now. I also have GSF on a ring, and I could switch my 2 to both rings...

Those Cannith Goggles give +6 int, which I'd need to slot somewhere no matter what... and they give Spell Pen 9. I definitely want that for Wail. Looking up other items, they are all either epic or trinkets. At 20 I already have the Cove +2 exInt trinket waiting.... Tossing in that the goggles are worth +15 concentration, I think I'll go with something else.

Gloves are looking better in light of the crafted bracers though.....

[Volaxis]

Cloak is for envenomed, goggles is for spirit sight, necklace is for torc/potency

Helm/Bracers/Gloves, one will be a chrono piece, the other 2 GS HP/SP, Chrono boots for 3 piece, not bad to switch out.

[cdr]

Gloves is generally the consensus HP slot for arcanes, search some other threads.

[Truga]

The helm substitutes minos (and is available at the same level in case you TR), and goggles are IMO the best slot for the sp item. But whatever you decide, never, ever, make a GS necklace for a caster. That's where the torc goes. :P

Edit: If you're making just a single GS item, make it goggles.

[Raoull]

Gloves is generally the consensus HP slot for arcanes, search some other threads.

Ideal! I decided to go with gloves, and have already crafted them. At first I was thinking bracers, because I was only thinking about named items. But really, GSF bracers of X (probably balance) with a guild slot are better than any named gloves I'd probably get.


The helm substitutes minos (and is available at the same level in case you TR), and goggles are IMO the best slot for the sp item. But whatever you decide, never, ever, make a GS necklace for a caster. That's where the torc goes. :P

Edit: If you're making just a single GS item, make it goggles.

I don't get that at all. I think you have your reasoning backwards. Due to the Torc, the ideal slot for a GS SP item isn't anything but the necklace... it is the necklace. When you have maxish SP, you don't need the torc. Wear your SP item, and when you've used up 300SP, switch to the Torc.

I've been doing that for a while on my clonk, and the only reason I could see going with anything else for your GS SP item is if you're the type that isn't willing to swap gear.

[Lifespawn]

i chose boots because i could skip the 45hp when in tod and wear them everywhere else.

[scottmike0]

I'm just about ready to start making greensteel... and I'm wondering where it goes.
Right now, I'm looking at the options:

Helm: initially bad since Minos is so good... but if I ever get epiced out, I can slot the toughness and heavy fort....
gloves: main competition is bramblecasters
bracers: main competition is.... well, if I go PM in a future life I might want the Demon Consort bracers.

Sometimes I see cloak, boots and googles listed, but I have an epic Mabar cloak in the bank along the new Cannith Spell pen goggles. Boots is almost an option, but I do like rocketboots... and there is the whole ToD thing....

I'm leaning toward bracers currently.

Any thoughts? I tried searching the forums, but the similar conversations I found were focused on PMs or Sorcerers....
If it matters, I'm a Necro/Conj AM, and imagine will largely stay that way.
make a hp necklace with con opp

[Munkenmo]

Cloak is for envenomed, goggles is for spirit sight, necklace is for torc/potency

Helm/Bracers/Gloves, one will be a chrono piece, the other 2 GS HP/SP, Chrono boots for 3 piece, not bad to switch out.

and when you get the Staff of Petitioner (http://ddowiki.com/page/Staff_of_the_Petitioner) do you still propose wasting that goggles slot?

personally i'd use goggles for hp con op, and gloves for sp / cha skills.


make a hp necklace with con opp
as for the poster above me who suggested a necklace con op. considering that conflicts with the torc (http://ddowiki.com/page/Torc_of_Prince_Raiyum-de_II) which has a much higher proc rate, it's a terrible idea.

[Mrmorphling]

I really fail to see a goggle taht i'd want on my wizzy, being it PM or AM so i would suggest HP+concopp there to keep always on (And gloves for SP to switch to bramble casters for example for situational DR or other options).

[CountHenri]

Make sure you really think about your gear layout before crafting GS...

My WF Wiz (was AM now PM) has a tier2 GS Con-op necklace sitting in the bank cause I didnt take the Torc into consideration ~ just glad I didnt finish it.

Currently he has a MinII Helm for HP and Heavy Fort (plus stoneskin clicky as a bonus) and Con-op SP googles (tier one is Blindness immunity plus redundant disease immunity).

You'll Want the AM/PM (depending on which way you go) rings from ToD for +6/+1exc/+2exc(slotted) INT ~ +9 int one Item woot.

Epic Docent of the Diabolist (Chronoscope item) gives +7 Int and +3 Epic Conjuration focus for extra sticky Webs (thats +10 int total from items). Hopefully you made an Epic Mabar Docent for swapping out as needed.

I'm using the bracers (spell pen 8 & Archmagi)/gloves of the Glacier from VoD atm but will go Epic Bramblecasters/Demon Consort Bracers as swap items (as soon as I get the motivation to farm the necessary bits).

Epic Envenomed Cloak + any Tod Ring with +1exc Con/+2 exc Con slotted gives +10 Con (I sit at 527HP in form no buffs ~ will crack 600HP with Yugo pot, ship buff and rage).

Neckslot is Torc ~ only recently got mine and I love it. Twisted Talisman is a nice swap out for mana and you can carry both the epic and non-epic versions simultaneously. Heck I still carry the Archivists Necklace too ~ you can never have too many mana clickies.

I use the Cannith Jetboots/ToD boots ~ the jetboots can come in very handy kiting in ToD.

I carry Unsupressed Deaths Touch for greater necro focus, Staff of Mad Trickery for greater illusion and enchant and a crafted Greater Transmutaion Focus stick. Also have Light & Darkness Shield for when I need a bit more DR when Torcing.

Using Epic Spyglass for the +2 exc Int atm ~ will put archmagi item (epic Dragons Eye from VoN ~ well as soon as I pull the seal) when I get my PM ring. Bauble as swap for mana, Eardweller for DoT casting.

Based on this gear I hit 39 DC for PK and FtS, 40 for enchants and 42 Necro ~ once I finish Yugo favor grinding these will raise by 1.

Thats with an 18 base int and a +2 tome. So a +4 Tome will be another +1 to DCs

In PM Lich Form you get +100% Fort so you might want to make a straight HP helm or put a guard on it and carry Head of Good Fortune as a Fort swap in when not in form (or for the +2 Good Luck).

If Spell Pen is really worrying you TR a few times :) Wizard PL is +2 Spell Pen ~ you can make an Epic Lord of Blades caster stick with Greater Spell Pen 9 as well.

Bottom line ~ good gear really helps but be prepared to GRIND ~ on a WF PM you can solo so much stuff easily for key items (like Bauble and Eardweller ~ also epic scrolls).

Good luck and happy hunting.

Forgot Belt slot ~ I use GFL atm but will swap to ToD Belt for set bonus when I get PM ring ~ Mabar Docent has Superior False Life too

[Khellendros13]

No! Goggles slot is for Epic Time Sensing Goggles, because it is fun hearing the melee's squirm about non extended hastes. It's my SP, and you are hasted. Shut up and go kill stuff.

Helm is Tripple Earth HP - +6 concentration is nice when scrolling and Orthons shooting at you or Devils swinging, and the Earthgrab has save me more than a few times.

Epic Envenomed Cloak - More Hp is good and a place for +5 resistance and Toughness.

Epic Daibolists Docent - DC43 Webs , +1 Con, Heavy Fort and +7 Int.

Rahkirs with +2, +1 Int and another ring with +6charisma +2 con

Don't craft in the belt! That is where Rahkirs Sash or Lion Headed Belt Buckle goes. Shaken effect is a free Energy Drain.

Gloves for Glacier, Vile Blasphemy and Bramble Casters. Spearblock 10 is awesome.

Boots for Con Opp SP - can hotswap to greaves, FoM boots etc after you use 150sp. Better than losing 45hp.

Epic Shield of the Scorpion for DR12 blocking and also Staff of the Petitioner

Crafted Elec and Fire absorption trinkets, and Eardweller.

[tekkentroop]

I think atm each slot has its advantages and disadvantages, and you have to chose according to the items you are likely to get. You cant have everything so you have to decide what you want/need least. For the SP item, the choice isnt that difficult since you can just swap it out after buffing.

I chose helm for con-op hp item, since I dont have necro 4 and there are no really attractive helms for somebody who doesnt run echrono. For a non-pale master the heavy fort is probably more interesting. Im hoping to cover toughness with an epic slot (envenomed cloak) one day.

My SP item (pos/pos/air for raise clicky, +6 cha skills and only 2 large scales needed) is in glove slot, easily to be switched in and out if I ever get something to wear there like bramblecasters...


Why I didnt chose other slots:

In Goggle slot I got the Magewright goggles for Spell Penetration 9 and +6 int (dont have ToD rings yet, not aiming for +7 int items as pale master). On my cleric, who is a bit older, I have the SP item on goggle slot.

Bracers slot is important for swappable +2 spell dcs (normally enchantment, can swap to transmutation or conjuration if Disintegrate/Flesh to Stone/Web are more important and enchants dont work), if I ever get consort bracers Id like to wear them here, too.

Cloak is reserved for epic envenomed cloak, which is great slot consolidation with +7 con, +5 saves and a slot for toughness. My wiz is just wearing resistance saves +5 cloak until I start running echrono. At low lvls, I want the Napkin here.

Neck is totally out of the question, I dont have a torc yet but I certainly want one. ToD necks are also worth considering for people without torc (but everybody would want a torc on the long run).

Belt collides with ToD belts

Boots collide with Cannith Boots and Boots of Anchoring