Highest DPS crafted greensteel THF for a barbarian?

[Such755]

I'm about to TR into a barbarian, and I want to craft the weapons in advance.
So what is the BASE weapon best for barbarians? (Slashing.) Please go into details as to why that is better than others.
What is the most recommended to put on it? Lit 2 or Min 2? (Please don't say both, you know how expensive it is to craft either one)
Please explain to me why falchion are so rare to see, if they have the highest crit rate.
(I belive that I will not be a dwarf, so no bonus to greataxe)
Thank you in advance!

P.S.
I would love a weapon that will use me well on my next lives as well (Fighter, paladin, bard...)

[stainer]

There are several reasons people will give you to craft different things.

Great Axe is the best against high fort mobs.
Great Axe has a faster animation speed.

Falchion does have the higher crit rate and is better on trash, 0 fort bosses.

You might consider a pos-pos tier 2 Maul for undead.

Personally, on my main Barb I have a Min 2 Gaxe and a Lit 2 Falchion. I know you didn't want to hear it, but I recommend both, but if you had to pick just one, got with a Min II.

Others will have different opinions, but this is what works best for me.

[Such755]

I will indeed make a positive\positive maul for the sake of raise dead \ crushing skeletons, but that only takes small\med ingredients, so I don't worry about it.
How come a great axe is good against high fort bosses?

[voodoogroves]

It has a higher base damage and the attack speed is just a hair better.

[Meat-Head]

My understanding is that the swing speed has been equalized post U9 or something.


MIN2 GA

AND

LIT2 Falchion is a GREAT combo.

Both are good for various reasons and I have both (along with a double pos maul). I made the Min2 first, but if I did it over I would make the lit2 first. Why? Because most of what you kill is trash AND lit2 is STILL as good or better on bosses on normal difficulty. So it really does work a lot of the time.

BUT, the min2 is a solid general purpose weapon AND the clickie is handy.

You really can't go wrong either way. ALTHOUGH, if you're into crafting, then it's easier to replace the MIN2 than it is the LIT2. You can craft DR breakers.

One more small consideration. I wouldn't necessarily recommend this, but you COULD drop improved critical feat for something else if you used a MIN2 most of the time since they are "keen".

Conclusion: Whichever makes the most sense to you.

[WruntJunior]

I'd like to add that if you're into epics, the antique greataxe is much cheaper and easier to make than a min 2 greataxe (5 scales hurt, and that's not all). A lit 2 greataxe will get you a lot of mileage either way, and a cannith-crafted weapon will work until you have the antique greataxe (unless you have the ability to craft +5 hbglobs, but that's different). Of course, this only matters if you run epics.

Edit: As far as which is better between greataxe and falchion, I can't rightly say as I don't have any thf toons (other than a wf fvs, but that's locked into greatswords).

[Meat-Head]

I'd like to add that if you're into epics, the antique greataxe is much cheaper and easier to make than a min 2 greataxe (5 scales hurt, and that's not all). A lit 2 greataxe will get you a lot of mileage either way, and a cannith-crafted weapon will work until you have the antique greataxe (unless you have the ability to craft +5 hbglobs, but that's different). Of course, this only matters if you run epics.

Edit: As far as which is better between greataxe and falchion, I can't rightly say as I don't have any thf toons (other than a wf fvs, but that's locked into greatswords).


Part about the eAGA is true. It's solid! BUT, you have to wait till 20 to use it instead of 12.. So.....

[WruntJunior]

Part about the eAGA is true. It's solid! BUT, you have to wait till 20 to use it instead of 12.. So.....

But you don't really need the dr breaking until high levels, and a lit 2 covers you at level 12 to cap quite nicely.

[sirgog]

Min 2 is obsolete trash now. For ~2 large devil scales in trade, you can get someone to Cannith craft you a +4 Holy Silver of Evil Outsider Bane weapon, and the same in anti-LoB and anti-Lailat flavours (that's 2 LDS for all three, not 2 LDS each). Or work on an Epic Antique Greataxe.

Lit 2 is the clear best choice. It combines one of the three best damage procs (Lightning Strike, Disintegration and Corrosive Salt are all pretty close in power) with the best 'tier' effect (Holy).

[Kinerd]

Please explain to me why falchion are so rare to see, if they have the highest crit rate. The option that is objectively superior is not necessarily the option that the majority of a population will opt for. This doesn't mean that the falchion is always best for everything ever, it only means don't trust what everyone else is doing. Heck, don't trust anyone! We're all human, after all.

With that in mind: The Mineral II is obsolete. You can replace it with a superior set of weapons through Cannith crafting or a superior single weapon through the epic Antique Greataxe. With the recent changes to the Shroud, it's clearly more effort to make a Min II.

[Nahual]

And with all the artificer's running around making your weapons silver

Lit II is a better option.

[NytCrawlr]

Definitely agree now with the Lit II, which is the next wpn I am making. Kinda kicking myself for starting a Min II, but I have only gotten it to tier II and stopping there. The clicky is useful still, but that's it, especially since I am high enough now in Cannith Crafting to make beaters.

[WruntJunior]

As an additional note...a min 2 is only really useful now if you HAVE to have a dr breaker that also has +4 insight (twf/s&b tanks, usually). As a barbarian, your ac is probably -7ish (although that'd be awesome in 2e), so min 2s are obsolete for you.

[PNellesen]

And with all the artificer's running around making your weapons silver

Lit II is a better option.

Artis are now a requirement in any high-level raid or quest. Me likey my Silver LitII!

(And I fully expect that ability to get nerfed eventually. Most likely well before we see Seals of the Stormreaver start dropping...)

[Postumus]

Lit 2 falchion.

I agree with other posters that the Min2 is no longer a necessity. But it's convenient if you have lots of LDS.

[Chai]

Min 2 is obsolete trash now. For ~2 large devil scales in trade, you can get someone to Cannith craft you a +4 Holy Silver of Evil Outsider Bane weapon, and the same in anti-LoB and anti-Lailat flavours (that's 2 LDS for all three, not 2 LDS each). Or work on an Epic Antique Greataxe.

Lit 2 is the clear best choice. It combines one of the three best damage procs (Lightning Strike, Disintegration and Corrosive Salt are all pretty close in power) with the best 'tier' effect (Holy).

Yeah, im not so sure of your opinion of mineral 2. Sure its not the absolute highest DPS weapon, but it gets the job done on just about every mob you will need to hit. Mineral 2 great ax is a decent staple weapon that a player will not have to unequip much.

Or, they can fill their inventory with a +4 holy of greater _______ bane for every single mob type.

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[Diyon]

My understanding is that the swing speed has been equalized post U9 or something

While this is true, the amount that attack speed bonuses effect weapons is still different.
IE. Two weapons are the same speed with no bonuses, but after haste, one is attacking slightly faster.


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That is totally me.

[Kinerd]

Yeah, im not so sure of your opinion of mineral 2. Sure its not the absolute highest DPS weapon, but it gets the job done on just about every mob you will need to hit. Mineral 2 great ax is a decent staple weapon that a player will not have to unequip much.

Or, they can fill their inventory with a +4 holy of greater _______ bane for every single mob type.

http://gucomics.com/comics/2000/gu_20000915.jpgOnly two slots to go, now!

[aristarchus1000]

Yeah, im not so sure of your opinion of mineral 2. Sure its not the absolute highest DPS weapon, but it gets the job done on just about every mob you will need to hit. Mineral 2 great ax is a decent staple weapon that a player will not have to unequip much.

Or, they can fill their inventory with a +4 holy of greater _______ bane for every single mob type.



For leveling/tr, there is almost never a reason to unequip the Lit2 either. There are very few mobs with DR high enough to warrant swapping out a Lit2. Sure, it is not always optimal, but it is close enough just as often as the Min2.

[stille_nacht]

Yeah, im not so sure of your opinion of mineral 2. Sure its not the absolute highest DPS weapon, but it gets the job done on just about every mob you will need to hit. Mineral 2 great ax is a decent staple weapon that a player will not have to unequip much.

Or, they can fill their inventory with a +4 holy of greater _______ bane for every single mob type.



erm, there are only 2 mobs min II effectively breaks DR on, demons and devils. and well... 2 inventory slots isnt really that hard to manage, especially for 5 devil scales and a plethora of other larges.

a +4 holy silver of lawful outsider bane out damages a min II
though a +4 holy cold iron of chaotic outsider bane is behind by 3 points/swing.

not to mention if you bother getting the crafting lvs (and 35 or so is incredibly easy), you can craft more niche DR breakers, like a Holy Adamantine Maul of construct bane for LOB, or a holy maul of undead bane. (unless for whatever reason you want to make min II maul for lob)
you can put destruction on one of your holy cold irons.
and, if you manage to get to the 60s, you can make the best weapons in the game.

min II is outmoded now unless you really really want to kill lailat before 2 weeks is over.

[Jaid314]

last i heard, +5 holy burst of greater banes are actually better than min II vs lailat even. of course, they're a bit of work to craft, but still... not bad at all :)

[stille_nacht]

last i heard, +5 holy burst of greater banes are actually better than min II vs lailat even. of course, they're a bit of work to craft, but still... not bad at all :)

+4 holy of bane > min II on harry
+5 holy burst of bane > min II on lailat

[ChemE]

I think if you are tr'ing into a barb an essential weapon is the base SOS. I just recently leveled a barb all the way to 20. I never had an sos at lower level on my fighter. I didn't get his until I had all three other pieces to make it epic. I got lucky and pulled the SOS with him at lvl 12 and got a mrilith chain at 13. For a high str build like a Horc Barb the base weapon is as good as it gets until lvl 20. I used mine all the way to 20 and never even botherd crafting a gs weapon since I can craft +5 hb of GEOB. The combination of the a 15-20 crit range and a x3,x4,x5 and x6 multiplier is next to unbeatable for a barb. I would really try and grind for one if your pretty close to a 20th von6.
Sure it cant break dr and you should probably also have something for that as well but from first hand experience don't discount the power of this weapon in a level 10-19 barb's hands.

[sirgog]

Yeah, im not so sure of your opinion of mineral 2. Sure its not the absolute highest DPS weapon, but it gets the job done on just about every mob you will need to hit. Mineral 2 great ax is a decent staple weapon that a player will not have to unequip much.

Or, they can fill their inventory with a +4 holy of greater _______ bane for every single mob type.

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Just carry a real DPS weapon (Lit 2, or if you want utility, +++ with 30% healing amp on the top tier), and use it on everything except the two DR bosses you are likely to melee pre-20: Arraetrikos and Suulomades.

If you run one of those raids above Normal and there is no arti, make the relevant DR breaker then.

At 20, if you want a universal DR breaker, look into the Cannith Greataxe of Fire (tier 3, socketed with Good, or if you can trade for them, Aligned Planes). Very high anti-trash DPS (quite a bit up from a Lit 2), high Lailat/LOB DPS, and respectable Pit Fiend DPS. Plus it breaks most of the weird DRs you come across in Epics.




I think if you are tr'ing into a barb an essential weapon is the base SOS. I just recently leveled a barb all the way to 20. I never had an sos at lower level on my fighter. I didn't get his until I had all three other pieces to make it epic. I got lucky and pulled the SOS with him at lvl 12 and got a mrilith chain at 13. For a high str build like a Horc Barb the base weapon is as good as it gets until lvl 20. I used mine all the way to 20 and never even botherd crafting a gs weapon since I can craft +5 hb of GEOB. The combination of the a 15-20 crit range and a x3,x4,x5 and x6 multiplier is next to unbeatable for a barb. I would really try and grind for one if your pretty close to a 20th von6.
Sure it cant break dr and you should probably also have something for that as well but from first hand experience don't discount the power of this weapon in a level 10-19 barb's hands.

Takes a lot more runs to get a classic SOS than it does to get a Shroud weapon, and there's not much difference between the two.

[ChemE]

I know it does but I was just presenting a nice alternative if op was close to a 20th completion where there would be a good chance of it being on his 20th list since it was on all 3 of mine.

[ChemE]

I know it does but I was just presenting a nice alternative if op was close to a 20th completion where there would be a good chance of it being on his 20th list since it was on all 3 of mine.