Wow! Large Devil Scales have never been so easy to get!

[anatomyofaghost]

... If you happen to have a million plat+ on you. Just checked the AH on Khyber.


Then failed my will save vs. Crushing Despair.

[Oakianus]

There has been some massive inflation as regards plat within recent days, as happens from time to time. I'm sure it'll settle down to fairly reasonable levels over the next few months, especially with more sources of larges helping to water down the market, anyway.

I'd imagine it's a matter of the nouveau riche grabbing up everything they can grab while they're flush with plat and the prices have yet to adjust. :P

[mournbladereigns]

... If you happen to have a million plat+ on you. Just checked the AH on Khyber.


Then failed my will save vs. Crushing Despair.

Playing on Khyber = Permanent Crushing Despair effect. That place is hell, literally!

[Dragonela]

There has been some massive inflation as regards plat within recent days, as happens from time to time. I'm sure it'll settle down to fairly reasonable levels over the next few months, especially with more sources of larges helping to water down the market, anyway.

I'd imagine it's a matter of the nouveau riche grabbing up everything they can grab while they're flush with plat and the prices have yet to adjust. :P

What would happen if there was a way to make plat out of thin air as fast as you could click?

[karsion]

... If you happen to have a million plat+ on you. Just checked the AH on Khyber.


Then failed my will save vs. Crushing Despair.

Move to Orien, 400k is the usual price ;)

[mournbladereigns]

What would happen if there was a way to make plat out of thin air as fast as you could click?

They're adding an Alchemist class? Win

I want to play an Alchemist Druid Ranger!

[Dragonela]

They're adding an Alchemist class? Win

I want to play an Alchemist Druid Ranger!

I wish i could laugh about it but its as funny as saying "your plat is now worthless, have a nice day".

[simo0208]

Apparently there was an exploit. I hope people get perma-banned. In fact, they should be no matter what. 25 years please. This was a terrible exploit and very easy. Hopefully the hotfix today fixed it, but the damage has been done.

[Munkenmo]

Apparently there was an exploit. I hope people get perma-banned, but the damage has been done.

Don't hold your breath and the amount of plat won't be any worse than Crystal cove, sure some people have more, but it seems less people know this time.

Economies will recover but sadly it'll be another 6months till prices readjust, perhaps longer since there won't be the cannith crafting plat sink this time round.

[gloopygloop]

Move to Orien, 400k is the usual price ;)

Out of curiosity, what is the lowest price for LDS on Orien right now?

[Postumus]

Don't hold your breath and the amount of plat won't be any worse than Crystal cove, sure some people have more, but it seems less people know this time.

Economies will recover but sadly it'll be another 6months till prices readjust, perhaps longer since there won't be the cannith crafting plat sink this time round.

Just another market cycle.

Now it's time to sell sell sell at outrageous prices until all that free cash gets frittered away.

Anything you were considering selling, just put an insane price on it, it might get purchased.

Think of it this way, you're helping to re-balance the economy by engaging in wealth redistribution.

[Munkenmo]

Just another market cycle.

Now it's time to sell sell sell at outrageous prices until all that free cash gets frittered away.

Anything you were considering selling, just put an insane price on it, it might get purchased.

Yep you don't need to have exploited to get rich out of this. I did quite well selling silly things at silly prices yesterday.

[Ulurjah]

Turbine has always handled these sorts of exploits this way. A slap on the wrist but the people who did it get away with it. I remember back in Asheron's Call when they first introduced special named spells (Level 7 I think) and they used Platinum Scarabs, which were prohibitively expensive, and ended up being used as currency for awhile. Someone figured out that if you had a high enough strength and you got did of all your stuff, you could add enough plat scarabs to the buy window to overflow the price beyond the signed integer cap, and therefore get all of the scarabs for no money. It was literally so many that it overflowed the inventory space and spilled out on the ground around the person.

Some people did this for weeks before one day when the exploit got shared and all of a sudden everyone was doing it. Turbine rolled everyone back to just before the exploit went widespread and did nothing further. The people who really abused it were able to exchange the plats into trade notes and basically amass unlimited wealth ... there could still be some of these people today who still haven't spent all they got from that.

If the stories I've read are true ... there are people now in this game who got a 1 week vacation and afterward will never ever have any money problems in DDO again ... and the rest of us will suffer higher prices and/or unavailability of stuff because of it.

Epic Fail Turbine. Epic Fail.

[Postumus]

.. and the rest of us will suffer higher prices and/or unavailability of stuff because of it.

.

You can choose not to suffer. Just like real estate there is a time to buy and a time to sell... time to sell.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Turbine has always handled these sorts of exploits this way. A slap on the wrist but the people who did it get away with it. I remember back in Asheron's Call when they first introduced special named spells (Level 7 I think) and they used Platinum Scarabs, which were prohibitively expensive, and ended up being used as currency for awhile. Someone figured out that if you had a high enough strength and you got did of all your stuff, you could add enough plat scarabs to the buy window to overflow the price beyond the signed integer cap, and therefore get all of the scarabs for no money. It was literally so many that it overflowed the inventory space and spilled out on the ground around the person.

Some people did this for weeks before one day when the exploit got shared and all of a sudden everyone was doing it. Turbine rolled everyone back to just before the exploit went widespread and did nothing further. The people who really abused it were able to exchange the plats into trade notes and basically amass unlimited wealth ... there could still be some of these people today who still haven't spent all they got from that.

If the stories I've read are true ... there are people now in this game who got a 1 week vacation and afterward will never ever have any money problems in DDO again ... and the rest of us will suffer higher prices and/or unavailability of stuff because of it.

Epic Fail Turbine. Epic Fail.

turbine should just delete everything on the accounts that did this, and i mean everything including characters and then do the same to to any other accounts they know belong to the same person


and yes i will add EPIC FAIL turbine for not doing more than you apparently do to correct this

[Qaliya]

What's really ironic is that before U12 came out, when Turbine announced that they would be adding chests to Shroud and putting ingredients on end lists, many players panicked and started dumping all of their large ingredients.

[goodspeed]

Man you kyber people are exploiters. And maybe even have a shopping network problem.... anyway, arrg seems just fine and dandy in ah prices. Then again their are no pugs forming for the new content either save for a spare few. Oddly enough more people are farming epics now instead of raids.

[DeafeningWhisper]

Thank God no one I know or myself knew about this thing (I don't have a million with all my toons put together), why? I enjoy the game, farming for items is part of it and while having all I want sounds cool and all, what's left after that?
I look forward to having to run the Shroud another 20 or so times per toon to get my LDS for all the GS my new toons need and help out guildies/friends.

Ever played a 1st person shooter without cheat codes, then with them? How long before it gets so boring you quit the game?

[SilkofDrasnia]

Thank God no one I know or myself knew about this thing (I don't have a million with all my toons put together), why? I enjoy the game, farming for items is part of it and while having all I want sounds cool and all, what's left after that?
I look forward to having to run the Shroud another 20 or so times per toon to get my LDS for all the GS my new toons need and help out guildies/friends.

Ever played a 1st person shooter without cheat codes, then with them? How long before it gets so boring you quit the game?

aye agreed, the problem is that its not 1st person shooter and what the butwipes that exploited did AFFECTED EVERYONE else that didn't in a very very very negative way.

heh i reinstalled oblivion n meh this game for now i think will just pop in to do some raids , will try skyrim after

[xveganrox]

Cannith AH has Devil Scales beginning at 700kpp and a couple FRDS at 2 million a pop. Bones are at 50k, Shraps at 100k, chains at 150k (I don't suspect many of those three are being sold, though, as usual), and stones at 600kpp. Yikes.

[DeafeningWhisper]

aye agreed the problem is that its not 1st person shooter and what the butwipes that exploited did AFFECTED EVERYONE else that didn't in a very very very negative way.

heh i reinstalled oblivion n meh this game for now i think will just pop in to do some raids , will try skyrim after

It's no that bad, usually I only sell in AH.

Let's see:
Epic scrolls: never buy any, why? I'll get them running the quest for seals/shards eventually.
LDS? They drop at some point and need the 20 completions anyway.
Mnemonic pots? Just save them for a rainy day, never bought any except when I used a lot and people gave me plat to buy some back.
Need to buy scrolls for my wiz/arty? There's an NPC for that.
Greater essences? I get plenty deconstructing trash loot from Shroud.

Basically unless I feel really, really lazy I never need to buy anything from AH, maybe cheap items to blank and craft but there are NPCs for that too.

[SilkofDrasnia]

It's no that bad, usually I only sell in AH.

Let's see:
Epic scrolls: never buy any, why? I'll get them running the quest for seals/shards eventually.
LDS? They drop at some point and need the 20 completions anyway.
Mnemonic pots? Just save them for a rainy day, never bought any except when I used a lot and people gave me plat to buy some back.
Need to buy scrolls for my wiz/arty? There's an NPC for that.
Greater essences? I get plenty deconstructing trash loot from Shroud.

Basically unless I feel really, really lazy I never need to buy anything from AH, maybe cheap items to blank and craft but there are NPCs for that too.

lets see lds u use to be able to get lds for 350k n now lowest one is 900k n yesterday it was something like 1,8mil.

thing is if these exploiters get to keep the ill gotten gains it causes massive inflation that will affect pretty much everything, ofc items like lds will be affected most

[Infant]

You can choose not to suffer. Just like real estate there is a time to buy and a time to sell... time to sell.

If all people who did this are banned, the larges should hang on the ah at least for the next week or so. So not much point in selling.

Infant

[DarkAlchemist]

/em is sliding on his aluminum foil hat.

I was just sitting here and this idea occurred to me (had to at Turbine as well) that the issue at hand was probably not intentional (giving the devil his due here) but the positive side effect is that players will see these horrible prices in the AH for things like LDS and realize they can't afford them then wander off to the DDO store looking for them. They aren't in there the last time I looked but I know I have seen them in the store a few times before.

Lets see 5-10 dollars for 5 (con op's worth) or 1.8mpp x 5. People would plop the 5-10 dollars down since making the 1.8mpp for just one is not something a normal playing by the rules type would see all that often and surely not enough times to have enough for 5 LDS on the AH.

Just a wild thought I was having.

/em has removed his aluminum foil hat.

[nolaureltree000]

tbh, i wish i had known about this earlier so i could have exploited the **** out of it to the point of infinite wealth.

for awhile this game has started to get boring for me. ive had less and less time to play so the grind just to equip all my toons with basic greensteel has become a nigh impossible task in anything short of months to years. i find that rather disconcerting as gearing my toons properly for solo and self-sufficency is very important to me. maybe if i had unlimited wealth id find the game less grindy as a whole.

probably not though. regardless, even if i got perma-banned i truthfully wouldnt really care. i mean, id miss it from time to time and all, but i feel like my time in this game is starting to come to an end. plus even if i got banned for a month, well im really only playing skyrim currently anyways.

kinda feel like i missed out.

[sirgog]

WTT my 3 Large Devil Scales for a working banhammer.

[gloopygloop]

tbh, i wish i had known about this earlier so i could have exploited the **** out of it to the point of infinite wealth.

for awhile this game has started to get boring for me. ive had less and less time to play so the grind just to equip all my toons with basic greensteel has become a nigh impossible task in anything short of months to years. i find that rather disconcerting as gearing my toons properly for solo and self-sufficency is very important to me. maybe if i had unlimited wealth id find the game less grindy as a whole.

probably not though. regardless, even if i got perma-banned i truthfully wouldnt really care. i mean, id miss it from time to time and all, but i feel like my time in this game is starting to come to an end. plus even if i got banned for a month, well im really only playing skyrim currently anyways.

kinda feel like i missed out.

The dirty secret of DDO is what Turbine does to the loot that people get by exploiting after they come back from their DDO vacation.

[DarkAlchemist]

tbh, i wish i had known about this earlier so i could have exploited the **** out of it to the point of infinite wealth.

for awhile this game has started to get boring for me. ive had less and less time to play so the grind just to equip all my toons with basic greensteel has become a nigh impossible task in anything short of months to years. i find that rather disconcerting as gearing my toons properly for solo and self-sufficency is very important to me. maybe if i had unlimited wealth id find the game less grindy as a whole.

probably not though. regardless, even if i got perma-banned i truthfully wouldnt really care. i mean, id miss it from time to time and all, but i feel like my time in this game is starting to come to an end. plus even if i got banned for a month, well im really only playing skyrim currently anyways.

kinda feel like i missed out.I dunno but even the wife just asked me why I never find these things and I had to snap back that I don't run around looking for <insert the e word here> so I stay poor.

If you took all of the money I own on the two servers I have mainly played on over the last 2 years then combined them I doubt I would have enough for 2 LDS (this is including all of the money I spent over those chars as well).

I know I suck at making money in this game but I do try to find something to sell but the loot gods hate me.

[Pfold]

WTT my 3 Large Devil Scales for a working banhammer.

That may have been the price but inflation has set in. Run moar shrowdz;)

[Oakianus]

I think the discussion of inflation is overwrought, to say the least. First, I don't think this was too terribly widespread. Second, the plat cap is only like 4.5M. That's really not a whole lot of plat, tbh - enough for what, 6 FRDS at old prices?

The problem is that the AH was warped when people had essentially unlimited plat, but I have a feeling that this is going to normalize a lot sooner than people here are saying. All that this really did that will have a long term effect was to add a LOT of unbound +3 tomes to the economy - and really, while some folks will get rich as hell from it, isn't that ultimately actually pretty good for the economy general?

[SilkofDrasnia]

I think the discussion of inflation is overwrought, to say the least. First, I don't think this was too terribly widespread. Second, the plat cap is only like 4.5M. That's really not a whole lot of plat, tbh - enough for what, 6 FRDS at old prices?

The problem is that the AH was warped when people had essentially unlimited plat, but I have a feeling that this is going to normalize a lot sooner than people here are saying. All that this really did that will have a long term effect was to add a LOT of unbound +3 tomes to the economy - and really, while some folks will get rich as hell from it, isn't that ultimately actually pretty good for the economy general?

if it was limited to one or 2 players might not be so bad BUT it isnt. imagine if suddenly "gold" was a common thing its value would drop, same principle applies.

the evidence is the stupid prices in AH, i seen this happen in last chaos n the prices of **** rocketed up really stupid high and even tho it lowered it never went to back it was. when this happens to often eventually the market doesn't recover.

heh when i left lc i had something like 90mil i was uber rich from all my grinding and merchanting yet when i stopped by a year or so after i quit only took me a few mins of checking AH to see i was back to barely middle class and couldn't even think affording some of the equipment i had LOL, all this was due to some jokers doing what happened here and like turbine not enough was done about it

[Oakianus]

Meh. Because of the plat cap, I'm not imagining that it's nearly so bad. I doubt that the amount of plat on the server even came close to doubling, quite frankly. After all, the players who did this were likely to be the sorts of well-connected players who are already very likely to be rich, so another 4.3M isn't going to change the server that drastically.

The thing is that all of the items are gone from the AH, and people are still hoping to sell for the most that they can manage, so the few that are wandering to the AH are going to be high. If they're still terribly inflated after 3-4 weeks, then it's probably an issue, but I severely doubt it's going to be.

It's a shame that Turbine can't help with some stats on this sort of thing, though.

[Qaliya]

This
Too
Shall
Pass

[donfilibuster]

You say prices will normalize with time?
People said that back when the gold to plat change.
Then again when the guild vendor was made to pay more than the brokers.
Then again when the cove problem with the knock wands.
And prices had not gone down except where the items have got obsolete or nerfed.

Granted it could be that cheap items sell fast or people use the ah as storage but whenever the prices rise the new players think those are the right prices and bump theirs accordingly.
Just do a price check in the forums, the favorite line of both greedy and clueless sellers alike is 'thats the ah price'.

[Oakianus]

You say prices will normalize with time?
People said that back when the gold to plat change.
Then again when the guild vendor was made to pay more than the brokers.
Then again when the cove problem with the knock wands.
And prices had not gone down except where the items have got obsolete or nerfed.

Granted it could be that cheap items sell fast or people use the ah as storage but whenever the prices rise the new players think those are the right prices and bump theirs accordingly.
Just do a price check in the forums, the favorite line of both greedy and clueless sellers alike is 'thats the ah price'.

Prices were as low before this exploit as they were before the knock wands, from everything I've seen. Like I said, if it hasn't normalized a bit in 3-4 weeks, I'll happily eat my words. But I doubt I'll have to.

[Tajuh]

This one may be harder to fix, considering the new Shared Plat bank. I know that if I knew about this, I would've dumped the cash to make sure I could easily move my ill-gained plat to all of my toons.

PS: I didn't until a hour ago, and even if I did, I couldn't abuse it due to crippling altitis:o

[ycheese123]

Out of curiosity, what is the lowest price for LDS on Orien right now?


There are a bunch for 500k buyouts and 400k bids; typical AH prices.

Try selling for that much in trade/in person and someone will probably make fun of you.
they go for 250k -- 400k maybe

And yeah there couple (literally 2) for over 1mil ..probably b/c the exploit, which probably won't sell.

other orien AH prices:

large bones: 25 - 40k each
multiple sets of 2 large arrowheads: 160k
large chains: lots for 50k a each
large stone: 300 - 800k, these are always high priced
large shrapnel: 200 - 300, one for 800
lots of sets of 2 large horns: 140k

All +2 tomes look normal prices, except one +2 con tome for over 1mil, won't sell.
No +3 tomes

Tome pages look to be quite high priced, except a few.
Blue, black, white scales look a bit over priced

5 pages of epic scrolls look like all the right/normal prices

[SilkofDrasnia]

Meh. Because of the plat cap, I'm not imagining that it's nearly so bad. I doubt that the amount of plat on the server even came close to doubling, quite frankly. After all, the players who did this were likely to be the sorts of well-connected players who are already very likely to be rich, so another 4.3M isn't going to change the server that drastically.

The thing is that all of the items are gone from the AH, and people are still hoping to sell for the most that they can manage, so the few that are wandering to the AH are going to be high. If they're still terribly inflated after 3-4 weeks, then it's probably an issue, but I severely doubt it's going to be.

It's a shame that Turbine can't help with some stats on this sort of thing, though.

bah dont be innocent lol do u seriously think a plat cap is gonna help much those that did this heavily have more accounts LOL. and consider they can tranform plat into items like lds frds, isnt that what evryone does to get around the plat cap LOL

[Ovrad]

Meh. Because of the plat cap, I'm not imagining that it's nearly so bad. I doubt that the amount of plat on the server even came close to doubling, quite frankly.

Imho, plat is just a minor problem, people having free loot as well is the main issue. I've heard of people getting 50 unbound +3 tomes out of thin air with this major exploit!. A week ban is nothing, that's YEARS of loot gained at no effort whatsoever.

What Turbine should do (But I know they won't..) is roll back all their characters before U12. If they lose honest progress in the meantime, though luck, they deserve it.

Or better yet, make a new feat for all their toons: « Mark of Shame ». Permanently decrease all their abilities and skills by 2 points, and it sticks even on TRs. Now that's a penalty that's more effective than a mild slap on the wrist.

[roryk27]

Imho, plat is just a minor problem, people having free loot as well is the main issue. I've heard of people getting 50 unbound +3 tomes out of thin air with this major exploit!. A week ban is nothing, that's YEARS of loot gained at no effort whatsoever.

What Turbine should do (But I know they won't..) is roll back all their characters before U12. If they lose honest progress in the meantime, though luck, they deserve it.

Or better yet, make a new feat for all their toons: « Mark of Shame ». Permanently decrease all their abilities and skills by 2 points, and it sticks even on TRs. Now that's a penalty that's more effective than a mild slap on the wrist.

2 point penalty is nothing. Make it 6 or 8. Gimp that account for life. And make it so they can't trade any of their items either, only able to sell to the barkeep. Lest they roll up a free account and just trade their ill gotten gains to that new account.

[Cogdoc]

Hehe, another point to play on Wayfinder, whatever amount of Plat you can amass with any type of tricks in DDO will only get you a +4 flaming rapier at most, as the AH is empty! <echo>

Also if you got +3 tomes, what I hear to be the most valuable outcome of this latest trick in the arsenal, chances are that noone will notice your uberness...:) Chances are that 60% of players dont even know what tombs are...*wink*

Cogdoc

[Postumus]

If all people who did this are banned, the larges should hang on the ah at least for the next week or so. So not much point in selling.

Infant

yeah... IF all of them are banned for more than three days. I'm guessing they all won't be. And even if they are, unless they blew through all the cash in one day they'll have more to spend by next week.

And from what I've read elsewhere, some of the 'vacations' aren't even that long.

[Terebinthia]

I dunno but even the wife just asked me why I never find these things and I had to snap back that I don't run around looking for <insert the e word here> so I stay poor.

If you took all of the money I own on the two servers I have mainly played on over the last 2 years then combined them I doubt I would have enough for 2 LDS (this is including all of the money I spent over those chars as well).

I know I suck at making money in this game but I do try to find something to sell but the loot gods hate me.

Run Tor. That's my go to loot quest, simply because I really enjoy the dungeon, and would rather do that than run Sins multiple times. And people are always looking for dragon scales.

Or Adamantine Ore from Relic. That's something that seems to go steadily.

The plat values will settle down again, just as after Cove (and probably more quickly since the, uh, plat boosts seem to be less widespread). I'm lazy with money management and am deconstructing most of what I pull, and have plenty for the bare necessities with a little bit of selective AHing. Don't really buy that much on there anyway, though.

[abrownbear9108]

Cannith AH has:

Fungus for 550k
Twigs for 800k


all else seems normal :P

[gloopygloop]

bah dont be innocent lol do u seriously think a plat cap is gonna help much those that did this heavily have more accounts LOL. and consider they can tranform plat into items like lds frds, isnt that what evryone does to get around the plat cap LOL

The plat cap doesn't keep people from having a large amount of plat. It just keeps them from having an effectively infinite amount of plat.

The thing that's going to correct the economy is the 30% cut that the AH takes. The plat cap is just what will make this a several week/several month economic meltdown instead of a 6+ month economic meltdown.

I absolutely agree with you that the current economic catastrophe is a big problem. I just know that you're incorrect in thinking that the current economic catastrophe is going to last for a long time.

[DocBenway]

Cannith AH has:

Fungus for 550k
Twigs for 800k


all else seems normal :P

I dunno. Someone in Marketplace Trade yesterday was looking to buy white, black and blue dragon scales at 100k for either of the first two and 125k for the third. First comment was "Look at so-and-so, trying to get cheap scales." I shook my head, but avoided checking the AH just to prevent more bruising from recent constant facepalming.

First thing I thought of was the first Cove and how my sorc was wearing a black dragon scale robe and looking to get the last blue scale to finish a blue robe.

I had not paid more than 80k for any black scale I'd bought up until then and refused to pay more than 100k for blues, Typical AH buyouts on them were White 50-75k, Black 75-100k, Blue 100-125k. After Cove cheese, typical AH buyouts were triple those numbers, and they never really dropped all the way back down.

There will still be reasonable folks selling at reasonable prices but anyone not knowing about the recent inflation and its causes will be likely to assume this is the norm in pricing. I got my sorc's last blue scale by typing:

/tr Looking to buy 1 <linked>Blue Dragon Scale, not paying anymore than I would have last week!
And a kind soul sold me one for less than 1/2 of what I was willing to pay.

Long story short, prices never really "normalized" after cove and this will likely cause another bump up from former regular pricing making things even more inaccessible to folks that are fairly new to the game.

[Imnotapotmachine]

U11 was an epic fail for many reasons, U12 was much better, until the exploit, so new epic fail.

[jozzcooper2]

Imho, plat is just a minor problem, people having free loot as well is the main issue. I've heard of people getting 50 unbound +3 tomes out of thin air with this major exploit!. A week ban is nothing, that's YEARS of loot gained at no effort whatsoever.

What Turbine should do (But I know they won't..) is roll back all their characters before U12. If they lose honest progress in the meantime, though luck, they deserve it.

Or better yet, make a new feat for all their toons: « Mark of Shame ». Permanently decrease all their abilities and skills by 2 points, and it sticks even on TRs. Now that's a penalty that's more effective than a mild slap on the wrist.

How about the Mr. Hand solution (from Fast Times at Ridgemont High)?
Unbind all items from the offenders' account(s), and let a few people log in on those characters and pass out the items like they were pizza slices?

[Postumus]

Long story short, prices never really "normalized" after cove and this will likely cause another bump up from former regular pricing making things even more inaccessible to folks that are fairly new to the game.

How do you define 'normal' in a free market with no restrictions?

All the low level garbage prices went way up because of Cannith Crafting, not Crystal Cove.

[Postumus]

I absolutely agree with you that the current economic catastrophe is a big problem. I just know that you're incorrect in thinking that the current economic catastrophe is going to last for a long time.


Well at least you're half right. :)

[DocBenway]

How do you define 'normal' in a free market with no restrictions?

All the low level garbage prices went way up because of Cannith Crafting, not Crystal Cove.

Cannith crafting was only introduced 3 months after Crystal Cove when the cheesyness happened. I'm defining it by the 1.5 years of looking at the prices before that. Including the plat display changeover.

I'll grant that 3 months isn't a long time for other influences like the crafting system to take effect, but it isn't all that short a time considering how long someone new will "try out" a game.

[Gawna]

WTS one Stainer for a bazillion plat. PST with offers.

[gloopygloop]

WTS one Stainer for a bazillion plat. PST with offers.

You can't fool us with your phony numbers. Everyone knows that a bazillion is someone from bazil which is a country in europe.

[quiescent]

Last night I saw several LDS up on the AH for 450k. That's slightly higher than they were last week. In fact I picked one up for 400k from someone in the trade channel in Merida.


All that ill-gotten plat has RUINED the economy! NO one will EVER be able to afford another LDS EVER AGAIN for the whole rest of the time the game is up! GAH!

[porq]

On the bright side, Large Devil Scales ARE easier to get now that harder difficulties of shroud give more chances at pulling one, and the end reward is another chance regardless of difficulty. Though from the looks of it, we're more likely to get 8 of the same small ingredient than anything useful on end reward. Whatever.

[Postumus]

Last night I saw several LDS up on the AH for 450k. That's slightly higher than they were last week. In fact I picked one up for 400k from someone in the trade channel in Merida.



Nooooooo! How am I supposed to exploit the exploiters if people like you keep undercutting my crazy high ingredient prices!

Note to self: list all ingredients at crazy high prices BEFORE an update, not after.

[anatomyofaghost]

In case anyone was wondering, just checked the AH again tonight, there are 3 pages full of LDS now on Khyber, the cheapest of which is 600k (this is a complete anomaly, 80% of the scales posted are 900k+).

Before that which we do not talk about happened, there were perhaps 5-10 LDS up on the AH at any one time.

[Oakianus]

In case anyone was wondering, just checked the AH again tonight, there are 3 pages full of LDS now on Khyber, the cheapest of which is 600k (this is a complete anomaly, 80% of the scales posted are 900k+).

Before that which we do not talk about happened, there were perhaps 5-10 LDS up on the AH at any one time.

Yep, and everyone knows the price is crazy right now, so they're taking advantage of it by putting up LDS for heavy prices that they're hoping people are going to take, since the fee for a listing is pretty low.

But as that one anomaly shows, the price is already on its way to dropping. More will come to market, undercutting so they have the best chance to sell, etc, etc, etc.

It seems pretty likely that this is going to correct itself pretty well. I'd say we're pretty likely to see prices back to where they were by the first of the year, at the latest.

[Ivan_Milic]

400k lowest on Thelanis.

[LordMond63]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that some sort of exploit was a part- ok...the largest part- of the reason that various GS ingrediants increased in price. If there is an MMO that did not suffer from some sort of exploit (and usually they are in the economy), I do not know of it.

But I'd also point to the increased difficulty of the Shroud as perhaps some part of the reason for price inflation. If you read the Forums, you'll note that there are far more failures in this raid now, even on normal difficulty, due to the tweaks made to the blades. If there are fewer successful completions, there will tend to be fewer of the rewards that are acquired by successfully completing, making each Large reward from part 4, part 5 and the end reward just a bit more valuable. this is, of course, assuming that the demand for GS items does not decrease due to player frustration with the process or possible better items either found elsewhere or made thru Cannith crafting.

[Zirun]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that some sort of exploit was a part- ok...the largest part- of the reason that various GS ingrediants increased in price. If there is an MMO that did not suffer from some sort of exploit (and usually they are in the economy), I do not know of it.

But I'd also point to the increased difficulty of the Shroud as perhaps some part of the reason for price inflation. If you read the Forums, you'll note that there are far more failures in this raid now, even on normal difficulty, due to the tweaks made to the blades. If there are fewer successful completions, there will tend to be fewer of the rewards that are acquired by successfully completing, making each Large reward from part 4, part 5 and the end reward just a bit more valuable. this is, of course, assuming that the demand for GS items does not decrease due to player frustration with the process or possible better items either found elsewhere or made thru Cannith crafting.

There are also a lot more ingredients coming out of people that are completing the raid on higher difficulties.

Eventually, when the general masses figure out how to deal with the blades effectively (or the blades are nerfed), prices will almost assuredly end up a fair bit lower than they were pre-U12.

[Dragonela]

Is turbine seriously going to stick their heads on sand on this one? Lets hope not, i know a lot of people is waiting for an official announcement about this.

[karsion]

Is turbine seriously going to stick their heads on sand on this one? Lets hope not, i know a lot of people is waiting for an official announcement about this.

Hate to repeat myself, Turbine's policy is not to talk about exploits so to answer your question: yes.

[Dragonela]

Hate to repeat myself, Turbine's policy is not to talk about exploits so to answer your question: yes.

Unless you are an employee of Turbine your answer means absolutely nothing.

[gloopygloop]

Hate to repeat myself, Turbine's policy is not to talk about exploits so to answer your question: yes.

Wait, getting slaughtered by blades in the Shroud is an exploit now?

[SilkofDrasnia]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that some sort of exploit was a part- ok...the largest part- of the reason that various GS ingrediants increased in price. If there is an MMO that did not suffer from some sort of exploit (and usually they are in the economy), I do not know of it.

But I'd also point to the increased difficulty of the Shroud as perhaps some part of the reason for price inflation. If you read the Forums, you'll note that there are far more failures in this raid now, even on normal difficulty, due to the tweaks made to the blades. If there are fewer successful completions, there will tend to be fewer of the rewards that are acquired by successfully completing, making each Large reward from part 4, part 5 and the end reward just a bit more valuable. this is, of course, assuming that the demand for GS items does not decrease due to player frustration with the process or possible better items either found elsewhere or made thru Cannith crafting.

perhaps but u have to understand the droprate on lds in shroud even on norm seems to be higher, ive 2 runs and gotten 3 lds which i must say is much much higher than wat ive EVER gotten. this could be just be me being really lucky but i think not.

shroud is a bit harder but lds drops more so prices should've stayed the same and eventually as peeps learn to run shroud better and success rates go back up lds prices should have drop by a nice margin but with this inflation i think that might not happen now, or at the very least take a long time to happen

[Munkenmo]

perhaps but u have to understand the droprate on lds in shroud even on norm seems to be higher, ive 2 runs and gotten 3 lds which i must say is much much higher than wat ive EVER gotten. this could be just be me being really lucky but i think not.

it is just you being really lucky.

[SilkofDrasnia]

it is just you being really lucky.

i dont think so i think if u ask "groups" that do complete even on norm ull more than likely find someone always gets a lds or 2 whereas pre u12 ud find groups got skunked much more often .

i would say the same in vod concerning tharnes bracers

[karsion]

perhaps but u have to understand the droprate on lds in shroud even on norm seems to be higher, ive 2 runs and gotten 3 lds which i must say is much much higher than wat ive EVER gotten. this could be just be me being really lucky but i think not.

shroud is a bit harder but lds drops more so prices should've stayed the same and eventually as peeps learn to run shroud better and success rates go back up lds prices should have drop by a nice margin but with this inflation i think that might not happen now, or at the very least take a long time to happen

Sorry to rain on your parade but one example is nothing for statistic, run it 10 times and then you can say something more about the drop rates.

Ok, my main is underlevel for Shroud after TRing but I had my friends telling me they have failed 2 runs after the update. So earlier they might get let's say one LDS between the two of them in 2 runs(if they were lucky). Now they got none, so it doesn't seem as there is more LDS after the update. Yeah, people who are completing might be getting more but I think that there is a lot less peope who are completing Shroud regularly after the update bearing in mind I rarely ever see PUGs for it now.

[Adrian99]

Unless you are an employee of Turbine your answer means absolutely nothing.

On that count, you're mistaken. While the response didn't technically quote the forum guidelines (which you could have looked up), it was an accurate summary of the following guideline:

17. We do not publicly discuss moderation decisions, or disciplinary actions taken against members, on the Community Sites and we ask that you do not either. Any threads or posts that mention infractions, bans, or thread/post deletions or modifications, etc. are subject to removal and may result in further disciplinary action.

[Munkenmo]

i dont think so i think if u ask "groups" that do complete even on norm ull more than likely find someone always gets a lds or 2 whereas pre u12 ud find groups got skunked much more often .

i would say the same in vod concerning tharnes bracers

i would say your sample size is too small.

averages are well established and we're barely a week into the new release. considering there's 24 chances for someone to get a LDS every run i'm never surprised to see one.

i won't argue there is a better chance of pulling a lds now on norm due to the end reward change, but i highly doubt you pulling them within the raid is anything more than luck.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Sorry to rain on your parade but one example is nothing for statistic, run it 10 times and then you can say something more about the drop rates.

Ok, my main is underlevel for Shroud after TRing but I had my friends telling me they have failed 2 runs after the update. So earlier they might get let's say one LDS between the two of them in 2 runs(if they were lucky). Now they got none, so it doesn't seem as there is more LDS after the update. Yeah, people who are completing might be getting more but I think that there is a lot less peope who are completing Shroud regularly after the update bearing in mind I rarely ever see PUGs for it now.

i know that i never said this was pure hard fact go and reread my post. but i will say one thing i seen tharnes drop 3 times in 2 vod runs and thats more than = to all my previous runs combined i dont think ive suddenly gotten a lucky charms leprechaun sitting on my shoulder. i mentioned it tho so people can start paying more attention

hard cold facts is not always the ONLY way to know something youll find in life that very often cold hard facts is the way some people that have no intuition discover and prove thing to themselves

i mean if we waited for hard statistics to make things happen back in caveman days we would not have discovered fire yet

but tell you what you go make a study and come back and prove me wrong meanwhile ill just go with my gut :)

oh and btw my statement was consider completed runs NOT including failed ones so don't mix the two im talking about drop-rate. if u want to find out if drop rate has changed u need to consider ONLY completed runs failed ones don't count

[karsion]

i know that i never said this was pure hard fact go and reread my post. but i will say one thing i seen tharnes drop 3 times in 2 vod runs and thats more than = to all my previous runs combined i dont think ive suddenly gotten a lucky charms leprechaun sitting on my shoulder. i mentioned it tho so people can start paying more attention

hard cold facts is not always the ONLY way to know something youll find in life that very often cold hard facts is the way some people that have no intuition discover and prove thing to themselves

i mean if we waited for hard statistics to make things happen back in caveman days we would not have discovered fire yet

but tell you what you go make a study and come back and prove me wrong meanwhile ill just go with my gut :)

oh and btw my statement was consider completed runs NOT including failed ones so don't mix the two im talking about drop-rate. if u want to find out if drop rate has changed u need to consider ONLY completed runs failed ones don't count

Stop building strawman arguments this instant, young man! :P

But seriously, I have read your post and I never said that you stated that's a fact.

Wow, caveman? Hard facts? What it has to do with fire and with the discussion.

Again, strawman. I didn't say that the incomplete runs afftect the droprate, I said that incomplete runs affect the number of the new LDSs. In other words, yeah, probably there are more LDSs in a COMPLETE run but the number of COMPLETED runs for many (most?) of the players has dropped.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Stop building strawman arguments this instant, young man! :P

But seriously, I have read your post and I never said that you stated that's a fact.

Wow, caveman? Hard facts? What it has to do with fire and with the discussion.

Again, strawman. I didn't say that the incomplete runs affect the droprate, I said that incomplete runs affect the number of the new LDSs. In other words, yeah, probably there are more LDSs in a COMPLETE run but the number of COMPLETED runs for many (most?) of the players has dropped.

look u annoyed me cause u quoted me with a reply saying something as if i hadn't considered that already, when i did say, "and eventually as peeps learn to run shroud better and success rates go back up "

u cant quote someone and say but but all the while ignoring part of the post that explains what your saying i didnt account for LOL

[LOOON375]

600,000 - 2,000,000 on Argo.

[karsion]

Unless you are an employee of Turbine your answer means absolutely nothing.

Sure, still that is more than you will get from any rep. Turbine won't officially acknowledge ther was/is an exploit, that has, is and probably will be the case.


look u annoyed me cause u quoted me with a reply saying something as if i hadn't considered that already, when i did say, "and eventually as peeps learn to run shroud better and success rates go back up "

u cant quote someone and say but but all the while ignoring part of the post that explains what your saying i didnt account for LOL

No need for getting annoyed. The problem with what you implying is that there is precious little PUGs for Shroud(at least it seems to be the case on Orien) so where do people exactly can "learn to run shroud better"?

I am afraid that the changes to the Shroud have discouraged many moderate/casual payers from going anywhere near Shroud and it will widen even more gap between hardcore and casual players. The thing is however that it is not enough to draw conclusions from two weeks of new Shrouding. And that is the same reason why I rebutted to your post cause after two runs you're claiming that there is more chance of getting LDS in normal run is higher. I say that it is no basis for such a claim. There is nothing in the release notes about increased droprate so the only known fact is that there might be LDS in end reward(very small one).

[Dragonela]

Im going to go ahead and bump this for greater justice!

[NaturalHazard]

Move to Orien, 400k is the usual price ;)

that is the usual price on khyber and you can get it even cheaper if you use the market forums or trade chat, the price hike im sure is somehting that would of affected most servers as this mass plat influx was something that should of been server wide and just over the last week or so.

[LordMond63]

I checked prices on larges on Orien night before last:

Large Dragon Scales- 350k-900k, with the average being around 500k. Around 7 on the AH.

Large Sulfurous Stones- 500k-700k with most in the 600+ range. About 5 or so on AH.

What surprised me is the Large Splintered Horn- only one for auction and buyout was 900k.

I also noted that there were a few auctions for Green Steel items- goggles, a belt and a couple of weapons. Prices ranged from 1.1 million to 1.9 million.

Silk does have a point, I think. I'd counter that the availability of large items will probably decrease a bit (and the price increase) until people either think they can complete Shroud just as easily as they did pre-U12 or are actually able to do so. Right now, I'm seeing on Orien fewer Shrouds being attempted, which means that you are seeing a lower success rate in a lower number of attempts. Since the overwhelming majority of Shrouds were (and, I suspect, still are) on Normal difficulty, the extra chests are largely irrelevant, as the attempts aren't being made on the higher difficulty levels. Over time, players will adjust and adapt, but I've got to think that it's a pretty bad time to be working on Green Steel items for the first time right now.

[SilkofDrasnia]

@karsion im on khyber so cant say for orien and dont doubt there less pug shrouds, i mean there's less on khyber too but i see groups that try it 2 or 3 times in a row and learn it . might take awhile but i think peeps WILL learn to do shroud better.

i think much of there being less pug shrouds is because of less peeps online cause of skyrim a maybe swtor, the change to shroud and the exploit issue its not just one thing but the combination.

i think eventually IF the sploit doesn't damage economy permanently ( hopefully the inflation will go down but im not convinced, its gonna take a helofalot AH buys n sells to eat up all that plat that got injected into the server) the prices of lds will go down as they "seem" to be easier to get "droprate" wise (i mean pre u12 i got 1 lds in 13 completed runs, made my gs weaps via farming chest in amrath, atleast for lds part) and post u12 3 lds in 4 completed runs.

btw just checked and on khyber didnt see one lds under 800k, pre u12 u could get lds rather easy on AH for 350k buyout, ill admit u didnt really see lower prices in AH than 350k very often

also as for learning runs welp heres the method i used when i was a newb (sometimes i still am ill admit lol ). u watch lfm and try to join when u do u listen n watch and see who doing stuff right, the important part is to keep trying AND to try and remember party mates and who seemed to know what they are doing.

i mean eventually u will remember the names of people that start runs and get to know if they usually have success or not, u want to join those ones. its important. i mean if u want to learn high finance are u gonna learn/model yourself after someone that had 3 bankruptcies or after someone that got 4mill in his portfolio .

just sayin

also doesn't mean just cause someone has a fail they are clueless but im sure u get what i mean eventually ull know who usually runs thing like a well oiled machine and those that are kinda dazed and confused.

[Oakianus]

Funny enough, someone with the exact same bias in the opposite direction told me in an Abbot last night that they were pretty sure that LDS no longer dropped in Shroud. hahaha.

[SilkofDrasnia]

just checked prices of lds.

they are still up there, lowest was at 590k buyout on khyber.

at this rate the ones that said they would eat there shorts if prices didn't go back down to normal might want to get them ready

:)

[LordMond63]

But we all know that the changes to Shroud and the increased prices of large devil scales have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other, right?

[wolflordnexus]

just checked prices of lds.

they are still up there, lowest was at 590k buyout on khyber.

at this rate the ones that said they would eat there shorts if prices didn't go back down to normal might want to get them ready

:)

Anyone saying price will go back to normal is silly prices will regulate but it will be a slightly higher average every time the AH has gone stupid from some change prices have gone up not by a huge margin but they have. they will probably stabilize around 400- 450

[Ivan_Milic]

On Thelanis average is 420k and lowest buyout currently is 350k.

[SilkofDrasnia]

Anyone saying price will go back to normal is silly prices will regulate but it will be a slightly higher average every time the AH has gone stupid from some change prices have gone up not by a huge margin but they have. they will probably stabilize around 400- 450

i agree but if u got back and read all the various threads whether its shroud ones or ones about the exploit there are many many many players that were saying we were stupid for thinking prices wouldn't go back down to normal.

as such my post are to them. im still not convinced things will even normalize at this point to anything like 400 450k , id say 500k min for lds if it does go lower

as such all those naysayers out there prepare them shorts....

again this is for khyber some other servers were not hit so hard by u12, not sure but i seem to recal thelanis being one of those not hit that much

[gloopygloop]

i agree but if u got back and read all the various threads whether its shroud ones or ones about the exploit there are many many many players that were saying we were stupid for thinking prices wouldn't go back down to normal.

as such my post are to them. im still not convinced things will even normalize at this point to anything like 400 450k , id say 500k min for lds if it does go lower

as such all those naysayers out there prepare them shorts....

again this is for khyber some other servers were not hit so hard by u12, not sure but i seem to recal thelanis being one of those not hit that much


How much is everything other than Shroud ingredients going for?

From what I've seen, everything except Shroud ingredients has gone back to close to its pre-U12 price and that's well under a month since the exploit went away. The only things that are still significantly different are Shroud ingredients.

And honestly, the biggest change that I've seen in the Shroud is that fewer people want to run Shroud anymore. The completion percentage that I'm seeing isn't any different today than it was in December 2009.

[SilkofDrasnia]

How much is everything other than Shroud ingredients going for?

From what I've seen, everything except Shroud ingredients has gone back to close to its pre-U12 price and that's well under a month since the exploit went away. The only things that are still significantly different are Shroud ingredients.

And honestly, the biggest change that I've seen in the Shroud is that fewer people want to run Shroud anymore. The completion percentage that I'm seeing isn't any different today than it was in December 2009.

most other thing dont matter because shrouds ingredients lds mostly can be used as currency its how we all bypass the plat limit mhmmm. also many of these peeps are also the ones saying shroud runs havent went down AT ALL LOL

please lets not rehash the same BS those that were wrong can back their words and eat their shorts cause they was WRONG :)

[smatt]

How much is everything other than Shroud ingredients going for?

From what I've seen, everything except Shroud ingredients has gone back to close to its pre-U12 price and that's well under a month since the exploit went away. The only things that are still significantly different are Shroud ingredients.

And honestly, the biggest change that I've seen in the Shroud is that fewer people want to run Shroud anymore. The completion percentage that I'm seeing isn't any different today than it was in December 2009.


Still sky high on Ghallandra.. Red scales are gone for 2 mil within 1 hour of posting.... LDS seem to be down a bit most are posted at 800K+ with a few lower, so it seems the price is coming down on those. Other popular items FS greaves, teleport masks etc are pretty much non-existant.....

It will come down eventually and each server will have a different dynamic.... Still a screwed up situation.....

[wolflordnexus]

i agree but if u got back and read all the various threads whether its shroud ones or ones about the exploit there are many many many players that were saying we were stupid for thinking prices wouldn't go back down to normal.

as such my post are to them. im still not convinced things will even normalize at this point to anything like 400 450k , id say 500k min for lds if it does go lower

as such all those naysayers out there prepare them shorts....

again this is for khyber some other servers were not hit so hard by u12, not sure but i seem to recal thelanis being one of those not hit that much

So this is just basically a I told you so then Seriously kind of petty man

I expect it will stabilize around 400 to 450 or so because I expect there's still a lot of dirty money on kyber it will take a while to work it all out and there's still a lot of issues with shroud pugging and such If that doesn't pick up I doubt anything they do will hurt the AH Pricing more than the gold to plat conversion they did a while back. which granted didn't really hurt the shroud ings and such as much as it killed trash loot purchasing power of newer players. good twink weapons and gear still cost around 5x as much as they did before the plat change.

[Cogdoc]

Anyone who thinks that prices on the AH are effected by anything else than the classic rule of supply and demand doesnt picture other players behaviour very well...:)

[LordMond63]

I tend to think that the changes to Shroud are the major factor in the prices of GS ingrediants, especially the scales, increasing. But I'd not be honest if I didn't point out that we just had a major plat exploit in the game recently and there is some portion of the player base that now have more money than Gates, so they can afford pretty much anything at any price if they want it.

[ssgcmwatson]

It's been suggested a number of times, and I'll bump the notion now:

Add an NPC in Meridia who would do a 3-for-1 trade on mats similar to the dragon relics in GH.

I give her 3 large arrowheads, get one LDS.