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"Unbound +1 and +2 tomes now drop in slightly lower level quests. Unbound +3 tomes can now drop in regular (high level) treasure."
Now granted I don't have general or trade chat on during any occasion while playing... I have yet to hear of any reports of +3 tomes dropping as treasure, whether it is from guildies, or other posters here on the forums. Seeing as how there has been things listed in update notes not actually making it into the game before, is this one of those times (See the lack of Stormreaver tokens)?
Can anyone share their experiences thus far? If you have gotten any, where did you get them? I'm not talking about the +3s that were previously dropping via Hard and Elite raids, I'm talking about the "new" unbound tomes.
So far, from my experience, the level of quests and tomes appearing in them seems unchanged.
Qhualor
11-12-2011, 08:23 PM
saw a +3 tome (cant remember which it was) in trade channel for sale, 1.4 mil, i believe a few days ago.
Tirisha
11-12-2011, 09:22 PM
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=349985
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=349985
That's TOD.
Don't really care if +3s drop in TOD. It's non-raid quests that don't drop +4s that count rather more from my PoV.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=349985
First of all, congrats. In all seriousness though... elite ToD is the least likely place for me to be 'excited' for an +3 unbound tome, ESPECIALLY if it took the place of a possible +4. I can't tell too well from the screeny, but is that Horoth's chest?
So we can just about assume the higher level elite raids are where we can find these tomes. What about other difficulties? What about 6-man quests? Must have more data points!
Correlan
11-13-2011, 02:33 AM
The only places i've seen +3 tomes and all were BTC are elite raids. (vod, tod and hound) U12. Vod and hound (side chests) Tod, any end chest.
Dreamshifter
11-13-2011, 03:17 AM
I was hoping that at least someone would have pulled one outside raids by now. It would be nice to know if the +3s are still "raid loot only", or if they drop in other quests. Plus, "high level quests" could mean level 18 normals, or level 20+ Hard (modified level of 21+)...
I hate not knowing exactly what they mean. It's almost as bad as seeing that a power has a short duration, which can be anywhere from a minute (Power Surge) to 15 seconds or less. Those two scales? Not exactly the same...
CeltEireson
11-13-2011, 06:40 AM
I was hoping that at least someone would have pulled one outside raids by now. It would be nice to know if the +3s are still "raid loot only", or if they drop in other quests. Plus, "high level quests" could mean level 18 normals, or level 20+ Hard (modified level of 21+)...
I hate not knowing exactly what they mean. It's almost as bad as seeing that a power has a short duration, which can be anywhere from a minute (Power Surge) to 15 seconds or less. Those two scales? Not exactly the same...
Thats a pet peeve of mine on most things DDO - some abilties/feats/enhancements/item functions give nice detailed and exact figures for how they operate, others it seems we're supposed to guess at. And yes when they devs said that unbound +3s would be dropping in high level quests I assumed that they meant ordinary 6 man quests and levels 19/20 ish but as I havent seen or heard of any dropping in such either theyve made them **** rare to the point of nonsense (and so they can justify selling them in the store as they can honestly say theyre not raid only loot anymore, what can I say I like my tin foil hat) or they are talking about elite only in high level quests or... your guess is as good as mine we can only hope either it becomes clear with time or the devs actually clarify what they meant by high level quests.
redspecter23
11-13-2011, 06:59 AM
I think it may be more important, for tracking reasons, to note the places where +3 tomes are not dropping. In general when a tome appears, it's a specific tier of tome based on the chest level. Chest level in general is based on quest level, but occasionally is bumped up or possibly even down a notch. So if people are playing Sins of Attrition on elite (lv 21 chests) and seeing a +2 tome drop, then it's a fair assumption that +3 tomes will not drop in lv 21 chests and you'd need a higher loot table. If someone later posted a +3 tome drop on Sins hard with a +2 loot gem running then there is a very good chance that level 22 chests would be the minimum needed for +3 tomes to drop.
The only +3 tome reported dropping so far from what I've seen on the forums was in a ToD elite Suulo chest. Someone with more DDO knowledge than myself may be able to confirm if that chest is artifically bumped in loot level. I remember hearing it was a +1 loot level chest but I may have been misinformed. The pic did not show a loot gem timer and no "chest blessing" was noted, so that would lead me to believe it to be a lv 22 (or possibly 23) chest. Another rumor floating around is that +3 tomes drop in lv 23+ chests. This could explain why they aren't dropping all that often as you will most often have to be running a loot gem to see lv 23 chests outside of specific possibilities like a lv 20 elite quest with an artificially bumped +1 chest. Some good places to farm to test the theory would be the Dreaming Dark eardweller chest on elite, with a loot gem running (lv 24 chest) or the spider rare in Schemes of the Enemy on elite with loot gem (lv 23).
Some additional confirmation would be needed, but I don't believe most epic chests to be loot level 25. If I had to guess, I'd say they are artificially lowered to the lv 17 - 20ish range as they can drop +2 tomes, but the trash loot rarely passes min lv 17 trash.
Ulurjah
11-13-2011, 08:55 AM
Honestly, when I read that in the notes I assumed it would be the highest level quests (19/20) and only if you happen to have a +2 loot gem running.
Dandonk
11-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Honestly, when I read that in the notes I assumed it would be the highest level quests (19/20) and only if you happen to have a +2 loot gem running.
So, +3 tomes are still either raid loot, or buy-from-store (albeit indirectly)?
Well, will have a look-out for them, but that's what it looks like atm.
How about differences in the +1 and +2 tome drops? From my experience, I've seen +1s dropping as early as Lordsmarch chain, Elite level 12 quests. This doesn't seem any different than my past experiences from before u12.
It is concerning that so far only one person has reported an unbound (At least on the forums) and it was from an elite raid anyway. Don't be shy folks, report those findings.
voodoogroves
11-13-2011, 09:17 AM
I used to get tons of +1s from desert end rewards, unsure now - maybe VON / fens?
Ulurjah
11-13-2011, 09:17 AM
How about differences in the +1 and +2 tome drops? From my experience, I've seen +1s dropping as early as Lordsmarch chain, Elite level 12 quests. This doesn't seem any different than my past experiences from before u12.
It is concerning that so far only one person has reported an unbound (At least on the forums) and it was from an elite raid anyway. Don't be shy folks, report those findings.
I've pulled a +1 tome from delera's part 2 (the double acid trap chest).
redspecter23
11-13-2011, 09:39 AM
Before the change I think it was chest level 8 required for +1 tomes. So level 7 end rewards and level 8 quest chests. I remember pulling a +1 tome from a Tear of Dhakaan chest, but I've always had a suspicion that those chests are bumped up a level or two. They occasionally drop lv 9 gear that my toons in there can't even equip.
+2 tomes before the change dropped in lv 17 quest chests and level 16 end rewards. Vale on hard is typically where I see them drop first, or on any vale end rewards.
mystafyi
11-13-2011, 09:42 AM
or on normal vale end rewards.
end rewards never scale. casual through elite has same chance.
Crusard
11-13-2011, 09:43 AM
Someone got a +3 at eDQ2 end chest the other day, I bought it for 1mil plat hehe.
redspecter23
11-13-2011, 09:48 AM
end rewards never scale. casual through elite has same chance.
Very true, the end reward doesn't matter. I was using normal as a base to not confuse it with hard quest chests, but casual through elite would get you the same tier of end rewards.
Someone got a +3 at eDQ2 end chest the other day, I bought it for 1mil plat hehe.
So, from the very few reports we've had so far, it appears that these new unbound tomes are replacing locations where previously bound +3/4 tomes were dropping. This is quite displeasing.
Dark_Helmet
11-13-2011, 10:08 AM
Very true, the end reward doesn't matter. I was using normal as a base to not confuse it with hard quest chests, but casual through EPIC would get you the same tier of end rewards.
Fixed that for you. ;)
EPIC end rewards are still ****.
Tirisha
11-13-2011, 11:27 AM
First of all, congrats. In all seriousness though... elite ToD is the least likely place for me to be 'excited' for an +3 unbound tome, ESPECIALLY if it took the place of a possible +4. I can't tell too well from the screeny, but is that Horoth's chest?
So we can just about assume the higher level elite raids are where we can find these tomes. What about other difficulties? What about 6-man quests? Must have more data points!
hey I've pulled and seen several +2 tomes from elite TOD so I wouldn't assume that the +3 took the place of anything better.
It was sully's chest.
I'm hoping they also drop in epics and elite amrath
Tirisha
11-13-2011, 11:32 AM
end rewards never scale. casual through elite has same chance.
is that way I get excited over a +2 longsword for beating Epic Devil's assault?
hey I've pulled and seen several +2 tomes from elite TOD so I wouldn't assume that the +3 took the place of anything better.
It was sully's chest.
I'm hoping they also drop in epics and elite amrath
Be that as it may, I'd be a bit more annoyed that there is a possibility that was suppose to roll as a +4. Here's a question to pose... has anyone seen a +4 BTC tome drop since u12?
gloopygloop
11-13-2011, 12:08 PM
How about differences in the +1 and +2 tome drops? From my experience, I've seen +1s dropping as early as Lordsmarch chain, Elite level 12 quests. This doesn't seem any different than my past experiences from before u12.
It is concerning that so far only one person has reported an unbound (At least on the forums) and it was from an elite raid anyway. Don't be shy folks, report those findings.
Got a +2 tome from an Orchard quest the other day. That's level 14.
Got a +2 tome from an Orchard quest the other day. That's level 14.
This actually appears to be an improvement. I don't recall having gotten +2s out there in the past.
Funny_looking_mole
11-13-2011, 12:51 PM
This actually appears to be an improvement. I don't recall having gotten +2s out there in the past.
I can verify that +2 tomes were dropping from Vale rares before U12, I recall specifically because that is where I pulled my first +2 tome (from the wheep).
I can verify that +2 tomes were dropping from Vale rares before U12, I recall specifically because that is where I pulled my first +2 tome (from the wheep).
... Buzzkill
goodspeed
11-13-2011, 01:27 PM
A fighter just picked up a +3 con tome about 4 days ago in a group I was in. Can't remember which one it was though. Maybe devil assault.
A fighter just picked up a +3 con tome about 4 days ago in a group I was in. Can't remember which one it was though. Maybe devil assault.
Which difficulty? Am I right to assume epic?
Was playing on a lowbie character of mine, a group member that I was with for Elite The Pit managed to pull a +1 tome. I'm uncertain if that was possible before.
K_0tiC
11-14-2011, 03:27 PM
Be that as it may, I'd be a bit more annoyed that there is a possibility that was suppose to roll as a +4. Here's a question to pose... has anyone seen a +4 BTC tome drop since u12?
Guildy pulled a +4dex in ring chest on normal last night.
JOTMON
11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
Cannith Challenge in the Mansion.. a named red dropped a +3 unbound Charisma tome in level 25 difficulty.
Postumus
11-14-2011, 03:37 PM
How about differences in the +1 and +2 tome drops? From my experience, I've seen +1s dropping as early as Lordsmarch chain, Elite level 12 quests. This doesn't seem any different than my past experiences from before u12.
It is concerning that so far only one person has reported an unbound (At least on the forums) and it was from an elite raid anyway. Don't be shy folks, report those findings.
Tome weekend for me. Had +1 appear out of the grab-bag-o-loot you pick up in the challenges - we were running it at level 15, had a +2 con drop from rare chest in the Manufactury (thank you Wrack!), and had a +2 dex drop in one of the IQ chain quests.
All of that is L15 and above though.
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