To DDO staff: I am not the only one leaving

[ixilom]

This is not a wah-wah-I-hate-you-sob-thread. This thread is about letting the people who run DDO today, that we are fed up with new content being pushed out but nothing is done to fix or at least acknowledge the current issues.

So, as a VIP player, I actually demand some quality in the service you provide.
Sure I am paying for content, sure I am paying for some cool items, sure I am paying for some quali... wait, quality? Apparently, quality is not covered in the monthly fee we pay.

The past week, if not even longer, people have been complaining about the slideshows, rubberbanding, hirelings go AWOL, mobs teleport themselves. All of this because of lag or server overloading, I don't know.
What we all know is that it is NOT our state of the art PC's, it is NOT our ISP or internet connection in general as all other games run just fine.

So, what has been done about the issues? Nothing.
I talked to some people in the game and someone said, "Why don't you call their support?".
Yes, I could do that, but that is just beating a dead horse as we have this very forum to inform those who run DDO that things are not right with the game.
As a reply to that I got from the same person "You really think they read the forums? If your TV breaks, would you whine about it in a forum".
The answer is, yes, if they have an active forum where people who work with or for the product actually read the forums.
I believe DDO does have an active forum with QA crew reading at least some of the threads. I've seen them reply to some of the threads concerning the issues we have.

Ok, so they have read what we have to say. Has anything come out of this? Nope. Not a diddly-squat.
At least they could have acknowledged the problem and say something like "We will fix this ASAP". Did they do that? Nah, instead we get more questions about what kind of setup we got, as if all of the people who are having lags were running old Pentiums with Voodoo graphic cards.

So where does this leave you and me, as a paying VIP? We are paying for new content that is not enjoyable, hell its most of the time not even playable.

This is why, I and I know a whole bunch of people, members of this forum or not are going to end their subscription.
And if you are going to end your subscription, I suggest you reply to this thread, tell DDO why you are leaving.

There are of course some people who has, or at least claim that they haven't seen any of the problems we are experiencing. All I got to say, good for you and enjoy the very fun game.

So, to conclude it all.
I am after posting this, going to end my subscription.
The reason is the lack of QA. I don't want new content if is broken.

[mystafyi]

tc mate...

starwars:tor should be out dec 20th
d3 should be out jan 17th

[Uska]

tc mate...

starwars:tor should be out dec 20th
d3 should be out jan 17th

and they both will suck big time for different reasons starwars because its combat is the same old same old and d3 real cash bs.

[Fejj]

This is not a wah-wah-I-hate-you-sob-thread. This thread is about letting the people who run DDO today, that we are fed up with new content being pushed out but nothing is done to fix or at least acknowledge the current issues.

So, as a VIP player, I actually demand some quality in the service you provide.
Sure I am paying for content, sure I am paying for some cool items, sure I am paying for some quali... wait, quality? Apparently, quality is not covered in the monthly fee we pay.

The past week, if not even longer, people have been complaining about the slideshows, rubberbanding, hirelings go AWOL, mobs teleport themselves. All of this because of lag or server overloading, I don't know.
What we all know is that it is NOT our state of the art PC's, it is NOT our ISP or internet connection in general as all other games run just fine.

So, what has been done about the issues? Nothing.
I talked to some people in the game and someone said, "Why don't you call their support?".
Yes, I could do that, but that is just beating a dead horse as we have this very forum to inform those who run DDO that things are not right with the game.
As a reply to that I got from the same person "You really think they read the forums? If your TV breaks, would you whine about it in a forum".
The answer is, yes, if they have an active forum where people who work with or for the product actually read the forums.
I believe DDO does have an active forum with QA crew reading at least some of the threads. I've seen them reply to some of the threads concerning the issues we have.

Ok, so they have read what we have to say. Has anything come out of this? Nope. Not a diddly-squat.
At least they could have acknowledged the problem and say something like "We will fix this ASAP". Did they do that? Nah, instead we get more questions about what kind of setup we got, as if all of the people who are having lags were running old Pentiums with Voodoo graphic cards.

So where does this leave you and me, as a paying VIP? We are paying for new content that is not enjoyable, hell its most of the time not even playable.

This is why, I and I know a whole bunch of people, members of this forum or not are going to end their subscription.
And if you are going to end your subscription, I suggest you reply to this thread, tell DDO why you are leaving.

There are of course some people who has, or at least claim that they haven't seen any of the problems we are experiencing. All I got to say, good for you and enjoy the very fun game.

So, to conclude it all.
I am after posting this, going to end my subscription.
The reason is the lack of QA. I don't want new content if is broken.

Yep, it sounds like you need a break. Have fun, and good luck.

However, the game is cheaper that a large pizza per month, and so much more satisfying.

So what if the PrE's aren't finished, so what if there are bugs in the game for 3 years, so what if mabar crashed the whole game. I'm still having fun, so I'll stick around.

[sigtrent]

Not everyone has the same problems. Yes occasionally DDO hiccups on me, but out of my play time its probably about .02% of the time and I've been a gamer long enough to know that nearly every game, if you play it for hundreds of hours, is going to have its hang ups. I can't think of many games I've never had any problem with.

I know some folks have significantly more problems with DDO, but the fact that there are vastly different experiences with quality is one reason that Turbine asks you for setup information. To find the cause of problems they have to do a fairly tedious process of elimination.

If they game isn't fun though, best not to play. So I don't mean to contradict you, just explain that this really isn't that unusual in the gaming universe. I simply cannot play bioshock 2, I've spend some 20 hours trying to get it to work on my system, no luck. Other people... it works just fine for them. Such is PC gaming.

[Battlehawke]

Turbine IS getting better..... hang in there. You are not going to find a better MMO..

[Thrudh]

There are of course some people who has, or at least claim that they haven't seen any of the problems we are experiencing. All I got to say, good for you and enjoy the very fun game.

I have experience zero lag in the past weeks...

I say this, not to brag, nor to try to disprove your point that lag is worse than normal and is causing major problems for many players...

I point it out to show that the problem is probably very complicated.

The fact that I can experience zero lag while others around me in the SAME quest experience crippling lag tells me that the problem is not 100% on Turbine's end. There must be multiple variables at play here.

And for the record, I am staying, and I'm not the only one who is staying.

But Good luck to you!

[BurnerD]

Now that I have a 5 year window of playing to look at I can agree that there are now more issues for me from a game performance standpoint. I am not experiencing the level of problems some are, but have seen more episodes lately.

I play this game on systems which far exceed the specs for the game and have had ISP's that have performed well for other games. I try to keep my machines well tuned so I can enjoy my gaming experience.

To be clear I probably am still only experiencing issues 5% of the time. This is up from almost 0 issues for the first 3 -4 years. Aside from the marketplace destruction event I can't even remember having a lag issue.

Now we have significant, intermittent lag issues. I am beginning to wonder if the cause is truly understood yet.

Has the game outgrown the engine? Have so many updates now been added that stability is suffering?

I question if they can even fix these issues. I hope so. I still really enjoy this game.

[BurnerD]

This is a good point. Not everyone is having issues. It ranges from none to severe. It is either not entirely a Turbine issue, or an issue which is magnified for some by external factors....


I have experience zero lag in the past weeks...

I say this, not to brag, nor to try to disprove your point that lag is worse than normal and is causing major problems for many players...

I point it out to show that the problem is probably very complicated.

The fact that I can experience zero lag while others around me in the SAME quest experience crippling lag tells me that the problem is not 100% on Turbine's end. There must be multiple variables at play here.

And for the record, I am staying, and I'm not the only one who is staying.

But Good luck to you!

[zeonardo]

I'd say "Can I have your Stuf?"...

But meh. It's broken and bugged anyway.

GL!

[Thrudh]

Now that I have a 5 year window of playing to look at I can agree that there are now more issues for me from a game performance standpoint. I am not experiencing the level of problems some are, but have seen more episodes lately.

I play this game on systems which far exceed the specs for the game and have had ISP's that have performed well for other games. I try to keep my machines well tuned so I can enjoy my gaming experience.

To be clear I probably am still only experiencing issues 5% of the time. This is up from almost 0 issues for the first 3 -4 years. Aside from the marketplace destruction event I can't even remember having a lag issue.

Now we have significant, intermittent lag issues. I am beginning to wonder if the cause is truly understood yet.

Has the game outgrown the engine? Have so many updates now been added that stability is suffering?

I question if they can even fix these issues. I hope so. I still really enjoy this game.

WHen was the last time you rebuilt your machine? How long ago was the game installed? Uninstall, defragment, re-install and see if that helps.

[BurnerD]

WHen was the last time you rebuilt your machine? How long ago was the game installed? Uninstall, defragment, re-install and see if that helps.

Main machine underwent a partial rebuild about 6 months ago.

I reinstalled the game a few weeks ago.

I keep the machine defragmented and I keep the game defragged using game booster.

My issues are most definitely not machine related. I can run much newer, more graphic intensive games online with no issues.

[Chai]

The fact that I can experience zero lag while others around me in the SAME quest experience crippling lag tells me that the problem is not 100% on Turbine's end. There must be multiple variables at play here.



There is no correlation -OR- causation in this statement, nor can it be used to prove or disprove the lag being on the user end or Turbines end.

The system I play on is pretty rock solid and has a video card that has better specs than many consumer end PCs. When someone running an i5 with 4 GB of ram isnt lagging and most of the rest of us cant even move, and I can verify my connection hasnt changed, its not on my end.

When I see "server full" messages when I try to log in during peak times, even though I am VIP, this tells me they are approaching capacity, and either need to buy some more commodore 64s to handle the load, or upgrade the current crop of 64s to the all new commodore 128, to manage the load better.

[Cauthey]

I have experience zero lag in the past weeks...

I say this, not to brag, nor to try to disprove your point that lag is worse than normal and is causing major problems for many players...

I point it out to show that the problem is probably very complicated.

The fact that I can experience zero lag while others around me in the SAME quest experience crippling lag tells me that the problem is not 100% on Turbine's end. There must be multiple variables at play here.

And for the record, I am staying, and I'm not the only one who is staying.

But Good luck to you!

You're telling me that you have zero lag? No staggering to the treasure chests in part 1 of the Shroud? Because I find that very hard to believe.

Personally, I've come to believe that some chuck of the lag issues come down to hardware (like the sneaking suspicion I have about the Zone-out bug (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337672) and my primarily nVidia rig). I think that their code runs flawlessly on some hardware, and it becomes a staggerfest on other, new, fully capable, non-gimped hardware (not necessarily because the hardware is old or outdated - but more likely because vendor x uses archetecture y, and Turbine's code does not play well with that).

[Thrudh]

You're telling me that you have zero lag? No staggering to the treasure chests in part 1 of the Shroud? Because I find that very hard to believe.

Oh sure, I've seen lag there, but who gives about a **** about treasure-generating lag?

I haven't seen ANY battle lag in Mabar or any quest or raid I've done in the last two weeks. Fights go smooth for me... Turbine needs to get a handle on the lag everyone else is experiencing, but there must be a lot of variables, because I'm not having any problems.


Personally, I've come to believe that some chuck of the lag issues come down to hardware (like the sneaking suspicion I have about the Zone-out bug (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=337672) and my primarily nVidia rig). I think that their code runs flawlessly on some hardware, and it becomes a staggerfest on other, new, fully capable, non-gimped hardware (not necessarily because the hardware is old or outdated - but more likely because vendor x uses archetecture y, and Turbine's code does not play well with that).

I think you're probably right... There's some combination between PC, ISP, Turbine that works just fine, and some that stagger to a halt.

[Cauthey]

Oh sure, I've seen lag there, but who gives about a **** about treasure-generating lag?

Treasure-generating lag is lag, too! :p :) :)

[Mancerot]

I have experienced quite heavy lag lately, playing on Orien server.

My speccs:
Case: Fractal Design Define R3
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3
CPU: Intel i5 2500k Overclocked to 4,3GHz
CPU Cooler: Antec Khüler H2O 620
RAM: 2x4GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti OC 1024MB (900Mhz), Overclocked to 970Mhz
PSU: Fractal Design Tesla 550w
SSD: 120GB Corsair Force 3 (System disk)
HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Green (Storage disk)
OS: Windows 7 64bit Service Pack 1
Cable management: Check
Enough cooling: Check
Drivers Up-To-Date: Check
ISP: Tele2 10/10 Fiber
Latency in DDO: Stable 100-150ms (living in EU)

Pretty much every single game i have tried on my computer runs really great, still got quite some games to try out, like BF3 and Rage.
Never had any issues with lag in any other game, it's only in DDO, starting around the time when people in US gets home from school/work.

Edit:
Even though i got a stable 100-150ms while playing DDO, it keeps green, but i can get delays for 1-30 seconds.
Last week, me and two friends were doing a quest, and had to stop in middle of everything due to the lag.
When trying to move, we went one step forward every 3-5 second, sometimes we couldn't move at all.

[MsEricka]

As everyone in this thread has stated, gameplay experience may vary.

I have experienced almost no lag, yes in the same instance others have complained a lot. In _those_ cases, I doubt it's a DDO issue.

But I do not doubt there are issues.

If you really want to say something, send turbine an email. Posting about quitting a game = oh noes look at me I'm going to quit!

[ixilom]

If you really want to say something, send turbine an email. Posting about quitting a game = oh noes look at me I'm going to quit!

You didn't read my post did you? The very first one in this thread.
I made this thread for obvious reason. I guess you missed that part.

[DragonTroy]

they actually said way back in around the time U10 came out(i realize its not exactly recent, thats actually part of the point) that they WERE aware that since U9 there had been an increasing amount of lag reported from every server/timezone/ so on and so forth. not event lag, not make-believe-night-before-a-update/maintenance-lag, unexplained lag

and guess what? they haven't said anything since. maybe they just don't care,right? maybe they just don't care at all about anything any player says

...OR, maybe they have been working on it, and its a really confusing, weird, un-like-anything-seen-before issue that they haven't been able to fix yet. and it's not like every week they would tell us that they're still working on it.

when it's fixed,they're going to let us know. don't have the patience to wait till they fix something that could be actually difficult? good luck finding something better than DDO on it's laggiest day

[az4a3l]

Too bad u choose to pay for this game, when i created this acc a year ago i decided a half baked game, shouldnt receive my money and i keept my end of the bargain.
The sad thing is that VIPs are the hardest getting hit by the lack of support from turbine staff towards their paying comunity, am premiun i know ill get diddly squat from turbine, hence ill give em the finger whenever i wanna. Works fine so far, still got 1 strike on timer tho but meh.
Just remember EVE online turbine, quarterly are around the corner and u r own by warner who doesnt care about anything but profits.

[voodoogroves]

While I do not deny that festival lag hits, I'm sure most lag is caused by other factors. Every time these threads are posted I'm tempted to respond with my uber fat l33t rig. I usually don't, but tonight I'm feeling it.


The machine I play most on these days is a 2005 Lenovo R60e laptop.

- Celeron 1.6 GHz
- 1.5 GB RAM
- Intel mobile 945GM express video chipset
- 60 GB hard drive


Seriously.


Yeah, I get lag from time to time - but usually after swapping characters a bunch - restarting fixes it for me. Yeah, I can switch to the media machine on the big display when I want, but usually the wife or kids are on that one so I play on the old lappy-toppy. It is my wife's old machine that was a hand-me-down to my daughter, who got a newer one so now it's my toy. I just run the graphics low on that one and it works. When I'm on one of the other machines, I run the full graphics.

I also have essentially NOTHING else running on it while I play.

[Mancerot]

Seeing it doesn't show on everyones avatar where they live, i'm guessing most of the ones who have posted here that they do not lag, lives in the US/Canada area.
Which means you got better response time overall to the server, while we who lives in EU gets worse response time.

Turbine used to have servers in EU before, but took them down in 2010, and players playing on those servers had to migrate to the US servers.

[Jiirix]

Turbine used to have servers in EU before, but took them down in 2010, and players playing on those servers had to migrate to the US servers.

That's not true. Codemaster had servers in Europe, not Turbine. Codemaster's DDO died and Turbine bought the licence (not the servers) from Codemaster and gave the EU players the chance to play DDO on servers that weren't nearly empty. I am not a Turbine fanboy but you should not blame them for things that were Codemasters fault.

For me DDO has enough bang for the bucks I spend, you may feel different.

[DnD3]

and they both will suck big time for different reasons starwars because its combat is the same old same old and d3 real cash bs.

Nice, so you've beaten D3 and capped a SWTOR character already? How was D3 and is it better to be a Jedi or Sith in kotor? and since you can see into the future can you tell me when we will have druids and Warforged Judgernaut prestige in DDO? Thanks!

[Caine33]

Yep, it sounds like you need a break. Have fun, and good luck.

However, the game is cheaper that a large pizza per month, and so much more satisfying.

So what if the PrE's aren't finished, so what if there are bugs in the game for 3 years, so what if mabar crashed the whole game. I'm still having fun, so I'll stick around.

This ^ (in bold)

[redraider]

I'd say "Can I have your Stuf?"...

But meh. It's broken and bugged anyway.

GL!

I lol'd +1 to you

[Cauthey]

While I do not deny that festival lag hits, I'm sure most lag is caused by other factors. Every time these threads are posted I'm tempted to respond with my uber fat l33t rig. I usually don't, but tonight I'm feeling it.


The machine I play most on these days is a 2005 Lenovo R60e laptop.

- Celeron 1.6 GHz
- 1.5 GB RAM
- Intel mobile 945GM express video chipset
- 60 GB hard drive


Seriously.


Yeah, I get lag from time to time - but usually after swapping characters a bunch - restarting fixes it for me. Yeah, I can switch to the media machine on the big display when I want, but usually the wife or kids are on that one so I play on the old lappy-toppy. It is my wife's old machine that was a hand-me-down to my daughter, who got a newer one so now it's my toy. I just run the graphics low on that one and it works. When I'm on one of the other machines, I run the full graphics.

I also have essentially NOTHING else running on it while I play.

You shouldn't have to restart to fix latency. *shrug*

A couple of things:

1) Please participate in my hardware survey thread here (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=347729) if you haven't committed to full-on quitting yet. I'm interested in seeing hardware data from those that DON'T suffer lag, also.

2) In a Shroud on Orien last night, crippling lag set in. It seemed to be affecting every person in the raid. On a whim, I Alt-Tabbed out of the game, and then Alt-Tabbed back in. BAM!! Lag was gone. Just like effing magic. Something to consider as a workaround to try out.

[Uska]

Nice, so you've beaten D3 and capped a SWTOR character already? How was D3 and is it better to be a Jedi or Sith in kotor? and since you can see into the future can you tell me when we will have druids and Warforged Judgernaut prestige in DDO? Thanks!

No I beta'd sw and hated it and the real world cash AH for d3 is true pay to win so I know what I am talking about read again why I said they suck and for what little fun there was sith was more fun for me but the combat system sucks big time

[Uska]

Turbine IS getting better..... hang in there. You are not going to find a better MMO..

Thats for sure makes me sad there isnt even a decent looking one in the pipeline yet and who knows how long ddo will last:( hopefully a long long time :)

[voodoogroves]

You shouldn't have to restart to fix latency. *shrug*

A couple of things:

1) Please participate in my hardware survey thread here (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=347729) if you haven't committed to full-on quitting yet. I'm interested in seeing hardware data from those that DON'T suffer lag, also.

2) In a Shroud on Orien last night, crippling lag set in. It seemed to be affecting every person in the raid. On a whim, I Alt-Tabbed out of the game, and then Alt-Tabbed back in. BAM!! Lag was gone. Just like effing magic. Something to consider as a workaround to try out.

Not latency, lag. I'm certain a chunk of mine is caused by the memory leak char swap stuff.

Sure, will add to your thread.

[LOOON375]

ALL video games have issues, glitches and other problems. NO GAME IS PERFECT.

Turbine takes the servers down quite often to address or attempt to address known issues.

Im the dumbest person on the planet when it comes to computers and their make up. But I do know that If you insert code in one area that it could cause unintended consequences in another area.

This game is a work in progress and is constantly evolving.

Ever play console games online? Everyone of those have similar issues as this game. The issues some like to complain about in this game are common around the internet gaming world.

At least Turbine is trying to fix it.

[Mancerot]

That's not true. Codemaster had servers in Europe, not Turbine. Codemaster's DDO died and Turbine bought the licence (not the servers) from Codemaster and gave the EU players the chance to play DDO on servers that weren't nearly empty. I am not a Turbine fanboy but you should not blame them for things that were Codemasters fault.

For me DDO has enough bang for the bucks I spend, you may feel different.

The servers were maintained by Codemasters, yes. But the game still belonged to Turbine, since they developed it.

I started playing this game like 5 months ago, didn't notice any lag at all.
Been upgrading my computer every now and then lately, still not getting any lag after each upgrade.

But a few weeks ago, the lag just started and became worse every day.
A friend were having the same problems, he tried restarting DDO and it was all fine for ~5 minutes, then it started lagging once again.
You shouldn't have to restart a game in order to play it for another 5 minutes without lag.
You shouldn't have to do anything in order for a game to run smoothly on a computer that should handle the game just perfect.

And as it was said by the OP, the lag isn't the only issue which was the reason that he should stop playing.

[Chai]

While I do not deny that festival lag hits, I'm sure most lag is caused by other factors. Every time these threads are posted I'm tempted to respond with my uber fat l33t rig. I usually don't, but tonight I'm feeling it.


The machine I play most on these days is a 2005 Lenovo R60e laptop.

- Celeron 1.6 GHz
- 1.5 GB RAM
- Intel mobile 945GM express video chipset
- 60 GB hard drive


Seriously.


Yeah, I get lag from time to time - but usually after swapping characters a bunch - restarting fixes it for me. Yeah, I can switch to the media machine on the big display when I want, but usually the wife or kids are on that one so I play on the old lappy-toppy. It is my wife's old machine that was a hand-me-down to my daughter, who got a newer one so now it's my toy. I just run the graphics low on that one and it works. When I'm on one of the other machines, I run the full graphics.

I also have essentially NOTHING else running on it while I play.

So its just all good, simply because we can just restart our machines to temporarily counter the symptoms of a memory leak? :p

How about patching the game to fix the memory leak in the first place.

You can take some Motrin every six hours for those headaches you keep getting, or you can find out whats causing them, fix it, and your liver wont pack its bags and move out on you in ten years, heh.

P.S. When you post specs like that, and some players who are experiencing more issues than you post better specs, all that says is its not a hard line HW related issue, unless of course their system has a bottleneck yours doesnt have for some reason. HW spec rating is but one reason lag can occur. There are many others, on the client side, server side, as well as connectivity.

[Justpixels]

*signed*
Account status: Cancelled!

I do read some ppl stating "its your machine" or "its your ISP"

But when it comes to the state:

Tried on several machines, different fiber optic connections, tried on different mobile 4g carriers and the result is still the same.

All the machines that it has been tested on from my end, is extreme high end machines. Both laptops and stationary machines. Fresh and non fresh installations of DDO and Windows 7

Its utter ******** that its hardware or internet connection.
What it is; is either DDO client having memmory leaks or the servers are utter ****.

Ive played this game since it was "pay for the game box" on european servers, and still have the boxset on my shelf. and it has NEVER been this bad as it is.

Shape it up or go down the drain.

[Chai]

ALL video games have issues, glitches and other problems. NO GAME IS PERFECT.

Turbine takes the servers down quite often to address or attempt to address known issues.

Im the dumbest person on the planet when it comes to computers and their make up. But I do know that If you insert code in one area that it could cause unintended consequences in another area.

This game is a work in progress and is constantly evolving.

Ever play console games online? Everyone of those have similar issues as this game. The issues some like to complain about in this game are common around the internet gaming world.

At least Turbine is trying to fix it.

They havent even acknowledged the memory leak, which has been reported 3 years ago, and many times since then, by multiple people, in multiple threads.

Trying to fix it? Trying to ignore its existence.

Many of us have found our own system specific solutions since then, but for those users which are not at least tech support savy, which I assume is the majority of users, good luck. :p

[mystafyi]

P.S. When you post specs like that, and some players who are experiencing more issues than you post better specs, all that says is its not a hard line HW related issue, unless of course their system has a bottleneck yours doesnt have for some reason. HW spec rating is but one reason lag can occur. There are many others, on the client side, server side, as well as connectivity.

chai,
chances are that the major issue is one that has to do with crappy code and how it runs with specific chipsets. with ddo engine being so old and patched so many times, its no wonder that its not really compatable with some chipsets. This would explain why turbine cannot fix this problem since it would require a complete rewrite of the game engine.

[Doxmaster]

You are not going to find a better MMO..

That really depends on what you consider 'Better'. By YOUR opinion, 'Good' is what DDo is offering right now.

In my opinion, 'Good' is a game with a high difficulty level, where you can die if you don't know exactly what to do for the situations on pages 140-271 in the notebook you have to keep next to the computer so you can reference it quickly.

I love Morrowind and Oblivion because you could mod mods during play (to some extent) leading you page after page of codes, formula and natural settings for things. I'm 95% sure I cant do the same in DDO

[pelaaja]

The system I play on is pretty rock solid and has a video card that has better specs than many consumer end PCs. When someone running an i5 with 4 GB of ram isnt lagging and most of the rest of us cant even move, and I can verify my connection hasnt changed, its not on my end.

I have to stop you here... I have i5 with 8GB of RAM... And I'm lagging as hell. Or at least having extremely bad FPS :|

[voodoogroves]

So its just all good, simply because we can just restart our machines to temporarily counter the symptoms of a memory leak? :p

How about patching the game to fix the memory leak in the first place.

You can take some Motrin every six hours for those headaches you keep getting, or you can find out whats causing them, fix it, and your liver wont pack its bags and move out on you in ten years, heh.

P.S. When you post specs like that, and some players who are experiencing more issues than you post better specs, all that says is its not a hard line HW related issue, unless of course their system has a bottleneck yours doesnt have for some reason. HW spec rating is but one reason lag can occur. There are many others, on the client side, server side, as well as connectivity.

Don't disagree at all man - thats kinda why I posted the specs.

Lag is a symptom, much like the medical equivalent of a headache, upset stomach or fever. It isn't absolutely base speed and memory of the endpoint and it isn't just completely crappy code.

This isn't a console game with limited and controlled system environments, etc. I'm positive that just as running at to much resolution/detail for your hardware to handle you can also see lag if you've got some stuff running in the background, poorly optimized file system, whatever. I'm also pretty sure there's either a memory leak or some sort of other progressive issue (open files not closing, etc.) that gets more and more complicated. Festivals and events I'm pretty sure can cause or at least be the catalyst for a great amount of experienced lag. As the poster above mentions, maybe some of this is even things like chipset issues, etc.

Those are incredibly hard to control and neutralize on a PC game ... and the responsibility isn't solely Turbines for the gray areas ... and nor is it solely the consumers.

[donblas]

Seeing it doesn't show on everyones avatar where they live, i'm guessing most of the ones who have posted here that they do not lag, lives in the US/Canada area.
Which means you got better response time overall to the server, while we who lives in EU gets worse response time.

Turbine used to have servers in EU before, but took them down in 2010, and players playing on those servers had to migrate to the US servers.

I'm in the UK and don't really see any lag at all, except tafter I've logged on and off 10 or so different toons.

[learst]

I rarely had lag before U11. My 'gaming rig':
1. Dell inspiron 1420 with Core II duo 2.0
2. Windows Vista
3. 3 GB DDR 2 RAM
4. Nvidia 8400 M GS

My location: Malaysia

The connection I was using was the wifi provided at my school hostel. I think I've experienced the zone-out bug when entering Sands, only once. Any lags I experience is mostly my connection, e.g. the line disconnected or slow loading.


After U11, I noticed a slight increase in lag. Lag as in everyone stuck at a spot while I can move, or attacking but no damages recorded, and then suddenly all incoming damage/heals come in at once. This mostly happens in raids, when there are lots of mobs, and probably spells like Ice storms.

But then again, I've moved out of my hostel and currently also using my own WiFI which is quite prone to disconnection and occasional slow connections.

So I'm not sure what to blame. :/