36pt 12mnk/7cleric/1rogue

[Meat-Head]

Hello DDO Brethren and Sistren,

Any advice/critique is welcome.

Goals:

-Good Damage (not GREAT, but good) 6d6 sneak dice, Firestance 3, Touch of Death, Stunning Fist, G'ments of E., Haste boost I, Divine Might I
-Evasion with decent buffed saves
-Self sufficient like a mother; Self heals + heal amp + some buffs + high UMD
-UMD
-good (not epic level) stuns & ToDs

FYI: Rogue 1 is for UMD and Haste boost. Both are pretty solid.



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helf1r12mk7c
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(12 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 7 Cleric)
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 359
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 17

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 15 18
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 14 18
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 6 26
Bluff 1 2
Concentration 4 26
Diplomacy 4 6
Disable Device 4 5
Haggle 1 4
Heal 2 6
Hide 2 8
Intimidate 1 2
Jump 7 14
Listen 2 4
Move Silently 2 4
Open Lock 6 8
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 4 5
Spot 2 4
Swim 3 7
Tumble 3 7
Use Magic Device 5 25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Half-Elf Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II





Heals:

Cure Critical 29base x(1.3x1.5x2x1.5)=169.7 with metas,enh, and sup potency BEFORE heal amp.

169.7 x(1.2x1.3x1.2x1.1)= 349 average without 10% and 30% healing amp item (I don't have those yet)

Rad Serv Bursts will heal me for about: 139 a pop. Not bad for being free/regenerating.



Required Gear:

1. Torc (will have this b4 I TR again)
2. DT with 10 Heal Amp (easy to get) (just got this)
3. Other?

Thoughts?

[AtomicMew]

7 cleric is a decent and underrated splash, but for a monk, not so much. The big thing about 7 cleric is self heal, divine power for full BAB and radiant burst for undead killing early levels.

-Monk already get full BAB
-Monks already get great self-healing compared to other melee classes. Ramp up a bunch of healing amp, and even cure serious pots become quite sizable heals.

My suggestion, if you want self-sufficient monk for leveling is the 12 monk/7-8 fighter build. You'd get quite a bit more DPS and have the option to have sizable AC or even take healing dragonmarks.

[burnt2nothing]

i love cleric/monk builds like this, and it just so happens that i created a build with a few of the same focus points in my design. high umd/self-suff/non-warforged. i went drow and took the ninja spy 1 pre for shortsword use as ki weapons(but loans itself well for unarmed to swap feats for stunning). check this out:
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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(6 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 13 Cleric)
Hit Points: 290
Spell Points: 726
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 16 18
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 10 16
Charisma 14 16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 10
Bluff 2 3
Concentration 4 20
Diplomacy 2 3
Disable Device 4 9
Haggle 2 3
Heal 0 5
Hide 3 6
Intimidate 2 3
Jump 3 8
Listen 0 5
Move Silently 3 4
Open Lock 7 9
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 4 10
Spot 4 13
Swim 3 6
Tumble 7 10
Use Magic Device 6 26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 7 (Monk)


Level 8 (Monk)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Follower of Vulkoor
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Improved Search I
Enhancement: Improved Spot I
Enhancement: Improved Spot II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Vulkoor's Avatar
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II

[Meat-Head]

7 cleric is a decent and underrated splash, but for a monk, not so much. The big thing about 7 cleric is self heal, divine power for full BAB and radiant burst for undead killing early levels.

-Monk already get full BAB
-Monks already get great self-healing compared to other melee classes. Ramp up a bunch of healing amp, and even cure serious pots become quite sizable heals.

My suggestion, if you want self-sufficient monk for leveling is the 12 monk/7-8 fighter build. You'd get quite a bit more DPS and have the option to have sizable AC or even take healing dragonmarks.



I've been trying to rework my ideas for monk.. Went back and forth on some other builds. But I came back to this one.

What I would have that the 12 mnk/7-8 ftr wouldn't:

-UMD
-Sneak Dmg (6d6)
-Lottsa hjeals
-harder to get buffs (Fom, recitation, death ward*) in addition to others that are available on clickies [*i know about TR goggles for DW and I have 1. But it IS only 7 mins, and it CAN be dispelled. I suppose I could farm a few more..]


Three questions I have for this build tho:

What do I do as far as wis and STR go?

Can I get a decent stunning fist DC without gimping str?

What gear would help?

[AMDarkwolf]

at 7 clr, your dw would only last 7 min, and would be just as dispellable as the tw clickie :P

1 rog lv means(With the pretty LOW skills per level) your gonna sink 2 into umd, 2 into balance, and poof, all your skills gone(This is assuming u have 14+ int)

It might look good on paper, but a 12/8 monk/rog split, or fgt split(lose sneak but gain LOTS of dmg, and pure dmg > Sneaks in most cases)

Also, one more note, sinking a lot of ap/levels into getting firestance 3 which really is only 1 more str than firestance 1. A little stat shifting and u could settle quite happily with tier 1 fire and get all the benefits u would from 3.

The build split u got could still work quite well, but would take some good gear.(Again, remember clerics and monks don't get loads of skills and umd and many other skills, are cross class skills, needing 2 to rank it once)

[Meat-Head]

at 7 clr, your dw would only last 7 min, and would be just as dispellable as the tw clickie :P

1 rog lv means(With the pretty LOW skills per level) your gonna sink 2 into umd, 2 into balance, and poof, all your skills gone(This is assuming u have 14+ int)

It might look good on paper, but a 12/8 monk/rog split, or fgt split(lose sneak but gain LOTS of dmg, and pure dmg > Sneaks in most cases)

Also, one more note, sinking a lot of ap/levels into getting firestance 3 which really is only 1 more str than firestance 1. A little stat shifting and u could settle quite happily with tier 1 fire and get all the benefits u would from 3.

The build split u got could still work quite well, but would take some good gear.(Again, remember clerics and monks don't get loads of skills and umd and many other skills, are cross class skills, needing 2 to rank it once)


1. Might have extend, even if I don't, recast is easier with a blue bar.. but still, touche.
2. I will have UMD on this toon. So 1 rog is more/less non-nogotiable unless 1 bard makes more sense.. or 1 arti.. As far as skill points, I don't need to max balance. I max UMD and concentration with leftover in balance. The skills work fine IMO based on what I have above. (assumes a +2 supreme tome at 7)
3. Firestance thing = good point. Will strongly consider that as APs are tight
4. Noted.

I really like the idea of a monk melee that can throw himself quickened hjeals in combat. I'm just a stickler about self-hjeals that way. The alternative would be scrolls and pots between fights.. which.. I don't like as much. (Although with the right heal amp,I'm not ruling it out 100% yet)

I also understand that I'm trading some dmg for the hjeals. That's normally how it works (except for WF wizzys.. of which I have one.. )