need a AC tank with respectable HP and DPS

[paraplegic]

the premise is simple. AC tank that can hold agro (by threat/intimi) that can do TOD on elite with minimal problem. ( not losing compleatly dps)


any class can be and race ( except Halfelf)

[Thrudh]

the premise is simple. AC tank that can hold agro (by threat/intimi) that can do TOD on elite with minimal problem. ( not losing compleatly dps)


any class can be and race ( except Halfelf)

Build a fighter or paladin. They both have "Defender" PrEs.

Fighter is probably easier... Either 20 Fighter with full plate and a shield, or 18/2 fighter/monk with TWF, robes and a wisdom bonus to AC.

AC is mostly gear.

[elraido]

Build a fighter or paladin. They both have "Defender" PrEs.

Fighter is probably easier... Either 20 Fighter with full plate and a shield, or 18/2 fighter/monk with TWF, robes and a wisdom bonus to AC.

AC is mostly gear.

Yes and no to the AC is mostly gear. You also need to plan for it in some regards. Int needs to hit 13 for combat ex. Feats that need to be taken etc.

[Arsont]

If you're wanting both AC and DPS (Enough for elite ToD Horoth), you're probably going to be looking at some variant of a paladin, Defender of Siberys. Most likely either an 18/2 monk splash or pure paladin, I would guess.

Problem with trying to get a feasible AC for elite Horoth is that you need a pretty sustainable 91 baseline AC; most builds lose some dps when swapping gear or whatnot to hit that. Not that it can't be done (I'm attempting to build something similar for my main), it just takes a bit more work.

Can't look at builds right now, but you would probably want to go thf for stat consolidation. This also means you'd probably be better off wearing heavy plate, but again, can't look at any builds/gear sets right now to compare (I shouldn't be here right now..oops).

Would have to keep things in mind, such as needing a base 13 int for CE, 14 cha for Divine Might I (More for higher tiers), etc.

Junts has a paladin guide floating around; there's also been several AC threads you can find with a bit of search-fu via Google.

[Droken]

You need a ~lot~ of epic gear to hit 90 sustainable AC. I am one of the only characters on my server with AC this high.

Build:

Fighter 12
7 Feats
Stalwart Defender 2
2 AC 4 str 4 con 15% HP

Paladin 6
Divine Righteousness 100% hate
2AC Aura
Cha to saves
Unyielding Sovereignty
2 Lay Hands

Monk 2
Evasion
2 Feats
Wisdom to AC
1 Centered AC

Feats:
Toughness x 9 (7 general, 2 monk)
Two weapon Fighting
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Dodge
Combat Expertise
Two Weapon Defense
Improved Crit: Slashing

Stats:
Str 14
Dex 16
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 16
Cha 8

5 Level up points to Dex

Gear
2 x Lit 2 weapons, one with exceptional dex 2, one with 4 insight AC
Icy Raiments
Conc Op goggles of HP
Abashai Helm
Abashai Gaunts
Abashai Bracers
Epic Halloween Cloak
Epic Ring of Buccaneer
Epic Grim's Bracelet
Ravager Ring
Colethenis Belt
Epic Brawn's Spirits
Abashai Boots or Boots of Anchoring

Slot in Toughness, Heavy fort, and +4 Nat AC in green augment, +1 exceptional Dex, Wis, and Greater False Life in colorless or yellow augment, +2 exceptional Wis in Ravager Ring

Important Skills:
Intimidate
UMD
Balance
Concentration

Expendable Items:
Wand of Shield 5th or 10th
Wand of Recitation

AC Breakdown
10 Base
8 Armor
13 Dex = 16 base 3 exceptional 2 tome 5 level 7 item 2 ship 1 race enhancement (total 36)
10 Wis = 16 base 3 exceptional 2 tome 0 Level 6 item 2 ship 1 race enhancement 1 Monk Enhancement (total 31)
1 Centered
4 Dodge Icy Raiments
3 Dodge Grim's Bracelet
2 Dodge Epic Cloak of Night
1 Dodge Alchemical
4 Natural AC
5 Protection
5 Combat Expertise
1 Dodge
1 Two Weapon Defense
2 Defender
2 Aura
4 Stance
3 Profane
3 Ship Buffs
--------------------------
82 AC Standing

1 Yugo Pot Wisdom
1 Yugo Pot Dex
4 Shield Wand
2 Recitation
1 Haste
---------------------------
91 AC with Standard Buffs

1 Ranger Barkskin
4 Bard Song
--------------------------
96 AC with a bard and ranger in group

Summary:
For race, I personally prefer half elf. Cleric Dilli is amazing for Heal and Raise Dead scrolls. Since the OP mentioned no half elves, take Human. 1 extra feat for even more toughness! If you happen to find a +3 dex or Wisdom tome, you can change your racial enhancements or level up points accordingly, putting another point into wisdom to even it out. In the rare instance you have a halfling with Hero's Companion or maxed-aura paladin in the group, your AC will be even higher, but those instances are so rare and far in between that I didn't include them in the more mundane calculations. The above is actually my own character's Breakdown (Kelida, soloer of VoD on Hard), except my Grim's Bracelete doesn't actually have the 3 dodge AC yet until next update, but I do have a +3 dex tome to make up for some of the difference.

[sirgog]

Here's a draft design I threw together, pre-dates the U11 Defender changes (which are 100% amazing for the build).

Heavily dependant upon Epic Chimera's Fang.


Edit: Oops - link is here http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=333158

[Balkas]

You may want to check out my 12 Fighter/6 Paladin/2 Monk The Sword Saint (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=315217).

High DPS, AC, HP, and Saves.

If you want to go Sword & Board, check out the Aegis of the Iron Council (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=320771).

[Kaerlic]

snip..

For race, I personally prefer half elf. Cleric Dilli is amazing for Heal and Raise Dead scrolls. Since the OP mentioned no half elves, take Human. 1 extra feat for even more toughness! If you happen to find a +3 dex or Wisdom tome, you can change your racial enhancements or level up points accordingly, putting another point into wisdom to even it out. In the rare instance you have a halfling with Hero's Companion or maxed-aura paladin in the group, your AC will be even higher, but those instances are so rare and far in between that I didn't include them in the more mundane calculations. The above is actually my own character's Breakdown (Kelida, soloer of VoD on Hard), except my Grim's Bracelete doesn't actually have the 3 dodge AC yet until next update, but I do have a +3 dex tome to make up for some of the difference.

Pardon my ignorance as a returning player trying to under the 'Dilli's'...

I was under the impression that dilli only allowed abilities to 'class-level 3', how does this allow you to use Heal/Raise Dead scrolls?

This answer will help me make up my mind before TR'ing my Monk (Cleric Dilli for the scrolls will work in well with a light build)

Thanks in advance!

[Balkas]

Pardon my ignorance as a returning player trying to under the 'Dilli's'...

I was under the impression that dilli only allowed abilities to 'class-level 3', how does this allow you to use Heal/Raise Dead scrolls?

This answer will help me make up my mind before TR'ing my Monk (Cleric Dilli for the scrolls will work in well with a light build)

Thanks in advance!

You can increase it up to level 10 with enhancements.

[Kaerlic]

You can increase it up to level 12 with enhancements.

Thanks!

You just made my day :)

[Droken]

You can increase it up to level 12 with enhancements.

Unless you know something I don't, I believe you can only increase it up to 10. Still, that's a 95% on Heal Scrolls, 100% on Raise Dead, and 75% for Greater Restoration.

[Balkas]

Unless you know something I don't, I believe you can only increase it up to 10. Still, that's a 95% on Heal Scrolls, 100% on Raise Dead, and 75% for Greater Restoration.

You're right, it's 10th. I was too lazy to check the wiki. :)

[Dragaer]

QuikNDirty (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=245032&highlight=quickndirty)

It is posted as a 36 point, but can be trimmed down to 32 easily. I works well and does decent DPS outside of tanking roles. It grows with the gear you get and/or TRs you do.

[Droken]

I believe the OP wanted a build that could tank Elite ToD. You guys need to be able to sustain roughly 90 AC to accomplish this. And by susainable I mean, something that doesn't require boosts because an Elite ToD fight against Horoth typically lasts about 10 minutes.

[elraido]

You need a ~lot~ of epic gear to hit 90 sustainable AC. I am one of the only characters on my server with AC this high.


Wrong. You do not need ~lot~ of epic gear. My paladin sits at an 85 self buffed AC (only two things with timers on them, and those are 1:30 each)and there is a lot of room for improvement if I TR'ed him. Only epic items that I have that effect my AC are
Epic Cavalier Plate
Epic Maybar Cloak
With the new Mod
Epic Chimeras Fang

[RumbIe]

If you've got WF you might want to check out the Big Rock Candy Mountain build. I think it's still pretty viable and with the update to the Fighter Pre I think it has jumped back into the runnings post u9. It's a 18/2 fighter/rogue build with high AC, good HP and DPS and umd and evasion.

[Droken]

Wrong. You do not need ~lot~ of epic gear. My paladin sits at an 85 self buffed AC (only two things with timers on them, and those are 1:30 each)and there is a lot of room for improvement if I TR'ed him. Only epic items that I have that effect my AC are
Epic Cavalier Plate
Epic Maybar Cloak
With the new Mod
Epic Chimeras Fang

Ok. And that's 85. Now, try getting an additional 5 AC without epic gear?

[paraplegic]

Here's a draft design I threw together, pre-dates the U11 Defender changes (which are 100% amazing for the build).

Heavily dependant upon Epic Chimera's Fang.

mmm where?

[elraido]

Ok. And that's 85. Now, try getting an additional 5 AC without epic gear?

Ok. Increase my dex score, put away the leviks defender, use the epic swashbuckler. If needed swap out the cavalier plate for a lighter armor that allows for more of a dex mod. Take the dodge feat for another one to my ac. That is another 2-4 points easy.

The gear grind required for that extra 1-2 points that you have vs having a lower ac, is simply not worth it

This is also done on pure paladin to where I am not going to lose out on one of the best capstones in the game.

[Calebro]

You need a ~lot~ of epic gear to hit 90 sustainable AC.

Not true. (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=331751)
This is my AC build for players that don't like to grind boring epics. I am just such a player. Fully buffed, with ship buffs, he has a sustainable 90 without a single epic item. Obviously the potential is higher.
Unfortunately it's an half-elf, so according for the OP's request it's out.

[grodon9999]

the premise is simple. AC tank that can hold agro (by threat/intimi) that can do TOD on elite with minimal problem. ( not losing compleatly dps)


any class can be and race ( except Halfelf)

Meathelmet: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=294454

it's what you are looking for and can handle HARD Horoth with ghetto-gear.

[elraido]

Meathelmet: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=294454

it's what you are looking for and can handle HARD Horoth with ghetto-gear.

Man oh man, that sure is a lot of epic grinding in there. :D

Just because one person got their ac up one way, doesn't mean that is the only way to do it anymore.

[Thrudh]

Man oh man, that sure is a lot of epic grinding in there. :D

Just because one person got their ac up one way, doesn't mean that is the only way to do it anymore.

Where, exactly, do you see a lot epic grinding in this list?


10 Base
1 Dodge
4 Icy Raiments Dodge
1 Alchemical Dodge
6 Wisdom
9 Dexterity
1 TWD
1 Monk
4 Insight (Shroud Crafted)
5 Protection
3 Barkskin Pot
8 Armor Bracers
2 Tempest I
5 Combat Expertise
1 Haste
2 Ranger Bark
4 Bard song
2 Recitation
2 Yugo (DEX and WIS)
5 Airship (+3 natural AC, +2 DEX +2 WIS)
3 Stance
2 Mabar Cloak
2 Stalwart
1 FE (Evil Outsider)

84 TWFing AC

I guess the Mabar Cloak counts... Icy Raiments and Shroud Insight take a bit of grinding, too but they are not epic.

A solid AC is not that hard to get in this game.

[grodon9999]

Man oh man, that sure is a lot of epic grinding in there. :D

Just because one person got their ac up one way, doesn't mean that is the only way to do it anymore.

No . .. no . .. no. What Mr. Helmet currently wears took a hell of a lot of grinding. What he had in that OP was like a month and a half.

People are delusional if they think they can get high AC without work, just like they are delusional thinking you can get high DPS without work. The work presented in the OP is some work but not a lot and mabar's coming again soon.

[elraido]

Where, exactly, do you see a lot epic grinding in this list?



I guess the Mabar Cloak counts... Icy Raiments and Shroud Insight take a bit of grinding, too but they are not epic.

A solid AC is not that hard to get in this game.

The sarcastic button wasn't working. :mad: :D

[Thrudh]

The sarcastic button wasn't working. :mad: :D

Oh, sorry...:o

[sirgog]

mmm where?

Oops/ http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=333158