Way too much!

[Doomwafflez]

Okeh OKeh i post...WAY TO FKIN MUCH. i know <.<

But this time im going to stick to making this build, promise :3 xD

Can someone <.< >.>

Halp me make a 18Pally/2 Rogue, Rogue for Evasion, Trap skills, reflex saves, and UMD, I want it to be 28 pt, no tomes, no warforged, horc,helf, or drow

Human 2hf falchion weilding Paladin/Rogue of Pure badassness \o/

PURE BADASSNESS I SAY!!!!
Woo! (Still Hyper! >:D)




I Think i have good starting stats working out

Starting out

Human Rogue,
Stats:

Str 15
Dex 8
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 10
Cha 14

Feats: Two Weapon Fighting, Insightfull reflexes



Lvl 2: Rogue

Lvl 3: Pally

Feat: Toughness



And all skill points i can into: Disable,Search,UMD and if i have extras, spot. :D

[Doomwafflez]

Ill work on the rest tmorrow, ill try to get some done today but im tired, But ill try! :D Weeeee Sucky build on its wayyyy xD

[maha0201]

Paladins are one of few class that need 4/5 stats to make them good and 28 point build there suffers big time.
Now if you want trap skills you'll need at least 12 in for disable device and search 14 if you would like some umd/spot.
Paladins use cha for their divine might and lay on hands.
Str is for killing stuff. And con is that stuff don't kill you.

You can pull that build off but think you'll delete it round lvl 13-14 :rolleyes:

16/8/14/14/8/14

1st lvl rog take toughness and power attack
take 2nd lvl of rog when you get +2 int tome. ( so after lvl 8 on lvl 10 if you would like improved critical at lvl 9)

Always max DD and search, rest in UMD/spot/Open lock - depending on youre goals

Again i don't recommend this build :O

[r3dl4nce]

Paladin and monks usually need 32 points because they are MAD classes (Multiple Attribute Dependency)
You need STR for melee, CON to survive, CHA for paladin abilities. If you want trap skills and a bit of skill points you need INT too (at least 12). How can you manage to have 4 good stats without 32 (better 36) points build? You can roll it but it will never be the best!

[Meetch1972]

Let's see... a melee/pally needs STR and CON. To use a pally's divine bits'n'pieces you'd want some CHA. To have any chance of maxing trap skills/UMD you'd need a pretty good INT. And to have any half decent reflex saves you want some DEX. WIS is for spell points - ok, you can dump that and use gear to overcome that hurdle.

Ability points are going to be very very very tight. Methinks you'd not impress anyone if you try to fill all the criteria with 28 points. A +2 INT tome at 7 will help a little bit, but... probably never really shine.

If you want to get full ranks in trap stuff you'll need more rogue levels than 2, but that will then exclude the tier 3 PrE options for pally. Pally 12/Rogue 8 would fit better, though probably still not particularly impressive(??)

An optional alternative is perhaps a human variation of the Hurtlocker build, which is more rogue than pally, with a monk splash.

[Nysrock]

Not the greatest build ever as per the previous posts but here is about what you were talking about I think.



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Palaroger
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 324
Spell Points: 230
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 14 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 8
Bluff 2 3
Concentration 2 2
Diplomacy 2 3
Disable Device 5 22
Haggle 6 7
Heal 0 0
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 5 6
Jump 7 10
Listen 0 0
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock 3 3
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 12
Spot 4 4
Swim 7 10
Tumble 0 0
Use Magic Device 6 24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III

[FrozenNova]

Don't attempt trap skills.
You'll have to spend too much in int to make a viable paladin with the remaining character points.

[maha0201]

Not the greatest build ever as per the previous posts but here is about what you were talking about I think.



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Palaroger
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 324
Spell Points: 230
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 11

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 12
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 14 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 8
Bluff 2 3
Concentration 2 2
Diplomacy 2 3
Disable Device 5 22
Haggle 6 7
Heal 0 0
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 5 6
Jump 7 10
Listen 0 0
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock 3 3
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 12
Spot 4 4
Swim 7 10
Tumble 0 0
Use Magic Device 6 24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III



If you don't/won't have +2 int tome drop str to 15 and put 2 points to int.
You need to have MAX Disable and Search so you are able to do traps.
If you plan to wear +6 int item at all time you can take insightful reflexes earlier ( round 2nd lvl of rog) and drop cleave cause it isn't worth feat slot. If you don't plan to have int item get skill focus: UMD.

Again i don't recommend this build, just trying to help.

[Luckness]

Evasion and UMD on a paladin are nice and can be obtained without any spend in intellect if you are drow or human. Going for trapskills is going to require at least 6 skill points per level (search / disable / UMD at double cost), while paladins only get 2... thus you'd need 18 INT or 16 INT on a human to do it. Which makes a Multiple Attribute Dependent (MAD) paladin even MAD-er. If you go this route I recommend getting used to saying that you can't get traps (you'll be asked less often than you might think because of the pally icon).

Making a 28 point paladin without tomes is a bit rough but certainly can be done if you don't mind not having your DPS max'd out. You've stated that you want to be a human with a falchion. Going THF is less DPS than TWF on a paladin, but it may be wise considering that you don't have the build points to make TWF viable.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 364
Spell Points: 270
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 15
Will: 12

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 15 16
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 16 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 10
Bluff 3 3
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy 3 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 7 7
Heal -1 -1
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 3 3
Jump 7 10
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock 3 3
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot 3 3
Swim 7 10
Tumble 3 3
Use Magic Device 7 29

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+7)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I




You can switch the enhancements around. You'll want Divine Might III if you can ever afford the Charisma +2 tome (which is easier than you may think). The Skill Focus UMD and Human Versatility allow you to get more UMD earlier.

23 Ranks + 6 CHA modifier (no tome) + 4 Human Versatility + 3 Skill Focus + 3 UMD item + 1 luck + 4 Greater Heroism = 44 UMD. You can drop one or two of these and still hit the 39 UMD needed to no-fail heal scrolls.

15 Reflex + 2 (Dex/Cha tomes) + 3 (Cha item) + 5 (Resistance item) + 1 luck + 1 haste + 4 (Greater Heroism) = 31 reflex, which is plenty, and more is available.

[unbongwah]

Halp me make a 18Pally/2 Rogue, Rogue for Evasion, Trap skills, reflex saves, and UMD, I want it to be 28 pt, no tomes, no warforged, horc,helf, or drow
Having made a couple of rogue / paladins w/trap skills before, my advice would be to drop the trap skills; you give up too much to get them, unfortunately, esp. w/no twink gear on a 28-pt build. I would focus on UMD & Intim; so something like this:


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 270
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 13
Will: 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 10
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 16 18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 10
Bluff 3 4
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy 3 4
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 7 8
Heal -1 -1
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 7 27
Jump 7 11
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock 3 3
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 0
Search 0 0
Spot 3 3
Swim 3 7
Tumble 3 3
Use Magic Device 7 27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+7)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite IV
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III


Yeah, I know, you said no tomes, but at least I delayed them until lvl 20, right? :D The only one necessary is +2 CHA for Divine Might III; and since you can't take DM III until lvl 17 (pally 15), you have ample time to grind or save up for one.

FoP and Extend are kinda placeholder feats. Other options include:


Grab Maximize & Quicken; grab some SP regen gear (Raiyum Torc, Con Opp GS item); add the Devotion enhs; and make yourself a cheapsauce THF version of Aryenne (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=204161).
Grab Shield Mastery & bastard sword prof., switch to DoS, and turn yourself into a cheapsauce S&B tank. [In this case, a shield would be for the dmg mitigation & DoS pre-req than the AC, which would be subpar.]

[Doomwafflez]

I guess ill drop the trap skills, oh and btw Whats the max skill lvl? O.o im guessing 30 or something

[Doomwafflez]

Ehhh... Im a bit skeptical about PA, i dont really use it often cause i miss way to fkin much, could i possibly echange that for...Stunning blow? or Diehard or is PA important? o.o

[Luckness]

I guess ill drop the trap skills, oh and btw Whats the max skill lvl? O.o im guessing 30 or something

You get up to 4 ranks at first level and 1 rank for each additional level for any skill that your class has (for example, UMD or Disable Device on Rogue, Concentration on Paladin, or Intimidate on both). That's 23 ranks for class skills. You can only get 11 ranks for cross-class skills (for example, up to 11 balance on a pure Fighter or Paladin).

When you take skills in the level at which you take the class for which it is a class skill, you spend 1 skill point for 1 rank. If you try to raise skills when they are not a class skill (for example, raising UMD in paladin levels) then you will pay double, 1 skill point for half a rank, 2 skill points for a full rank.

What maximum skill level is usable or useful depends entirely on what skill you're talking about.

Tumble: 1 rank will let you do it, 23 ranks can let you hit a tumble where tumbling is faster than running.

Disable Device: 1 rank will let you do it, but 23 ranks are needed not to blow up everything at level 20.

Search: No ranks needed to try it, but 23 ranks are needed not to be blind at level 20.

UMD: 1 rank to give it your best shot, 11 ranks if you aren't a bard/rogue/arty, 23 ranks if you are, best skill in the game if you max it. Getting to skill 20 to 22 lets you use a lot of items you couldn't and use some things like nightshield and fire shield scrolls. Once you get a total skill of 39 with all modifiers, additional ranks are less useful, considering that people usually want it to get self-healing primarily.

Intimidate: Kind of all or nothing on ranks, but you get additional threat from attacks just from pressing the button.

Welcome to the DDO learning curve, it's a bumpy ride. ;)

[Luckness]

Ehhh... Im a bit skeptical about PA, i dont really use it often cause i miss way to fkin much, could i possibly echange that for...Stunning blow? or Diehard or is PA important? o.o

Power Attack is +10 damage if you are using a Two-Handed weapon (more with racial/barbarian enhancements). There is no way on heaven or earth you want to skip the feat on a THF build. :)

It does this at a cost of -5 hit. You do want to toggle it off if you are missing and take that as a signal to work on your strength and hit buffs. (Strength translates into both hit and damage.) Don't worry if you miss with power attack on at lower levels, as this happens to everybody. As your BAB and strength and buffs and gear start to outpace the AC of what you're fighting, you'll have plenty of hit to spare in many situations (the more the merrier) and run with Power Attack on... and wonder where your DPS went if you forgot to turn it on.

Diehard is 100% nonconsequential (usually you get double killed if you didn't just get clocked below -10 hp in the first place... fun at low levels of course and free with Ranger levels and some PrE's) and stunning blow is only good if you get the DC (which is based on strength and enhancements) for it, which is not happening on a pally build.

[unbongwah]

Ehhh... Im a bit skeptical about PA, i dont really use it often cause i miss way to fkin much, could i possibly echange that for...Stunning blow? or Diehard or is PA important? o.o
PA is a must-have for any melee build - period. If you have trouble hitting, that's why it has an "Off" switch. :D

[Doomwafflez]

-takes out 2 revolvers-

<.< >.>

Dada daaaaaa wa wa wa. xDD

-spits into a pot-


Im almost done making an equiippppeeeeeeeeeD! Version of Ubongs Pallehhhh Woooooooo i probablly fail at equiping too \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ >.> <.<

SUPERMAN!!! \o\~

[Doomwafflez]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 334
HP [With Equipment]:459
Spell Points: 290
SP [With Equipment]:544
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 15
Will: 17

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement/Equipment
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 16 21 30
Dexterity 8 8 8
Constitution 14 14 20
Intelligence 10 10 16
Wisdom 8 8 14
Charisma 16 16 19

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 3 10 10
Bluff 3 4 4
Concentration 2 2 2
Diplomacy 3 4 4
Disable Device 4 4 4
Haggle 7 8 8
Heal -1 -1 -1
Hide -1 -1 -1
Intimidate 7 27 27+37
Jump 7 10 10
Listen -1 -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1 -1
Open Lock 3 3 3
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 0 0 0
Search 0 0 0
Spot 3 3 3
Swim 3 6 6
Tumble 3 3 3
Use Magic Device 7 27 27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+7)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion III
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Notable Equipment
Dragontouched Leather Armor
Ogre Power Bracers of Sustenance
Lorinthor's Belt
Lorinthor's Ring
Wise Ring of the Archmagi
Boots of Striding and Springing
Maenya's Fists
Dragontouched Leather Armor
Cloak of the Zephyr
Shimmering Arrowhead
Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Necklace of Water
Shining Crest of St. Markus
Intricate Field Optics
+10 Enhancement Bonus Holy Burst Darkwood Falchion of Maiming





<.< >.> <.< >.> <.< >.> <.< >.> <.< Credit to unbongwah for teh build >.> I just added zeh equipmant

[Doomwafflez]

I need Wf....Lord of Blades @_@ xD
A lord of blades pally must be fun :o