16/4-bard/fighter need advice

[Opposite0479]

So the build is suppose to be a dps battle bard i took 13 strength for the power attack feat. which allowed me acess to warchanter enchantment but because i needed 17 dexterity for improved/greater two weapon fighting i didnt feel i had enough stats to buff up strength so i grabbed weapon finese and used my dexterity for attack rolls which forces me to use rapiers so i grabbed some piercing attack/critical feats. i didnt feel i needed empower/maximize because i grabbed a couple healing enchantments but i dont plan on using heals very often unless needed I also didnt take multiple Toughness feats. because as a bard it only gives a little bit of hp each time so instead i grabbed extra toughness enchantments In my skills i only took 1 tumble because as long as i can do a roll thats good enough for me but i took hide/move silently because i plan to have a sort of rogue gameplay but i wanted the backup heals of a bard and the buffs lastly i took 4 fighter levels as opposed to the most bard/fighter builds where there are only 2 because i fealt i could use the extra feats. once i had some rank 6 bard spells and didnt see anything i perticurly wanted further into the bard levels

So with all that explained please take a look and help me with any flaws or other advice because im still learning thank you :D P.S. i was trying to make this an end-game build and am willing to put up with a crappy leveling if it means ill be stronger when it matters

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Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(4 Fighter / 16 Bard)
Hit Points: 318
Spell Points: 500

BAB: 16/16/21/2626
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 17
Will: 10

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 13 13 13
Dexterity 17 21 22
Constitution 16 17 18
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 14 14 16

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 3 7 7
Bluff 6 22 22
Concentration 7 23 23
Diplomacy 2 3 3
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 2 3 3
Heal -1 -1 -1
Hide 6 24 24
Intimidate 2 3 9
Jump 1 9 9
Listen -1 -1 -1
Move Silently 7 24 24
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform 6 22 22
Repair -1 -1 -1
Search -1 -1 -1
Spot -1 -1 -1
Swim 1 1 1
Tumble 4 7 7
Use Magic Device 6 22 22

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Barrd Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I

Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II

Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II

Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (2): Invisibility
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II

Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II

Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical
Spell (2): Rage
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II

Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II

Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III

Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV

Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III

Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I

Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II

Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV

Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II

Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Feather Fall
Spell (5): Shadow Walk
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I


Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III

Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I

Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II

Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV

Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II

Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Feather Fall
Spell (5): Shadow Walk
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I

[cru121]

First of all, 34 point buy and past-life feats are only available to characters that reached lvl 20 and reincarnated. Have you already done that?

If you're indeed a true reincarnate, consider 18/15/15/8/8/10 (or less str, more con/cha). Buying a +2 dex tome for plat should not be a problem for a lvl 20.
If you're actually a new player who is willing to invest RL cash to buy 32 point buy and +2 tome, consider these stats instead 16/15/16/8/8/12.
If you're a new player who does not want to pay cash for 32 point buy, fighting with two weapons is not recommended for bards, because with 28 points it's not going to be good. Use two-handed weapon instead and dump dex to 8. Stats e.g. 17/8/16/8/8/13.

[Opposite0479]

First of all, 34 point buy and past-life feats are only available to characters that reached lvl 20 and reincarnated. Have you already done that?

If you're indeed a true reincarnate, consider 18/15/15/8/8/10 (or less str, more con/cha). Buying a +2 dex tome for plat should not be a problem for a lvl 20.
If you're actually a new player who is willing to invest RL cash to buy 32 point buy and +2 tome, consider these stats instead 16/15/16/8/8/12.
If you're a new player who does not want to pay cash for 32 point buy, fighting with two weapons is not recommended for bards, because with 28 points it's not going to be good. Use two-handed weapon instead and dump dex to 8. Stats e.g. 17/8/16/8/8/13.


Im working on TRing my fighter thats not a problem and if it turns out I don't TR I'm not far from 32pb by means of favor although money isn't the issue it just seems more logical to put a little more work into it then just buy it second I don't need strength past 13 because of finese but for warchanter I need power attack which requires 13 strength and instead need boosted dexterity because with finese dexterity takes strengths place as for constitution this isnt a tank build but more of dps with buffs/heals so 318 hp unbuffed and naked is a fair amount for this playstyle although if theres anything I might change its dropping charisma a little to grab 18 dexterity at start and recover by using some tomes later on also I meant to make it True nuetral my bad but thanks for the tips :)

[unbongwah]

What TR doesn't have a +2 DEX tome? :confused: