New class = completionist feat deactivation?

[roryk27]

I've heard that there is going to be a new class introduced. per the feat description of completionist it will deactivate upon the introduction of the new class.

How many other people are not looking forward to this?

[Morlen]

Mainly, the few that have gained completionist. A lot of people aren't even trying for this very reason.

[Qzipoun]

The main issue is you have to TR twice. Once for the new class and once again to get back to what you were (assuming you do not want to remain as [newclass])

This becomes a bigger problem once you've eaten tomes. Say you get completionist so you decide to go ahead and eat that +4 tome... well now you would have to choose between getting the feat again or keeping the tome... *sigh*

Make tomes stay for TRs or at least reusable... but I'm beating on a dead horse at this point

[Doomcrew]

This has always been a known fact, and those that have gone as
far as completionist have been aware.

[Kenpai]

The main issue is you have to TR twice. Once for the new class and once again to get back to what you were (assuming you do not want to remain as [newclass])


There's also the option of buying a +1 Lesser HoW and changing your current level 20 ex-Completionist to [newclass] then TRing into Completionist again. Saves time of having to get to level 20 twice.

[Rauven]

There's also the option of buying a +1 Lesser HoW and changing your current level 20 ex-Completionist to [newclass] then TRing into Completionist again. Saves time of having to get to level 20 twice.

A +1 heart only allows you to change your class once for one level. I really doubt that having one level of the new class will qualify for completionist. More like you would need 2 +5's, a +3 and a few weeks to get back completionist.

[dkyle]

There's also the option of buying a +1 Lesser HoW and changing your current level 20 ex-Completionist to [newclass] then TRing into Completionist again. Saves time of having to get to level 20 twice.

You need to be mostly the class you want the Pastlife for, so a +1 won't cut it unless you use a bunch of them; likely 10 or 11 of them. And they won't work at all if you have at least 2 levels in 3 classes.

[Uska]

It will and it should when it comes out you won't be complete any more only thing I say is completionist feat should be free

[Uska]

The main issue is you have to TR twice. Once for the new class and once again to get back to what you were (assuming you do not want to remain as [newclass])

This becomes a bigger problem once you've eaten tomes. Say you get completionist so you decide to go ahead and eat that +4 tome... well now you would have to choose between getting the feat again or keeping the tome... *sigh*

Make tomes stay for TRs or at least reusable... but I'm beating on a dead horse at this point

I have always said that +3 or better tomes should stick

[Uska]

There's also the option of buying a +1 Lesser HoW and changing your current level 20 ex-Completionist to [newclass] then TRing into Completionist again. Saves time of having to get to level 20 twice.


Be expensive to get enough hearts and time consuming even with +5 hearts but with+1's it would take 11 weeks with +5's you could do it in 3 weeks but would need 2 +5's and 1 +1 since all class would come before the new one in order

[Uska]

A +1 heart only allows you to change your class once for one level. I really doubt that having one level of the new class will qualify for completionist. More like you would need 2 +5's, a +3 and a few weeks to get back completionist.

Would only need a +1 on top of the two +5's

[Bloodstealer]

I wonder why there are sooo many HoW lotteries going on currently and also the latest "Name your HoW price" DDO Store thing.

I smell a conspriracy theory I tell ya :rolleyes:

[Rauven]

Be expensive to get enough hearts and time consuming even with +5 hearts but with+1's it would take 11 weeks with +5's you could do it in 3 weeks but would need 2 +5's and 1 +1 since all class would come before the new one in order

Probably, thought about that after I posted. I had just awoken and had yet to drink my morning haste pot.

[Kenpai]

A +1 heart only allows you to change your class once for one level. I really doubt that having one level of the new class will qualify for completionist. More like you would need 2 +5's, a +3 and a few weeks to get back completionist.

Really? I could have sworn I used a +1 to change the first (and consequently the second) levels of my Rogue/Wiz in order to make it a pure wiz. Though that was a while back and my memory isn't known to be the greatest, so I guess it must have been a +3.

[KillEveryone]

I don't have completionist and I don't care to have completionist.

[Crann]

I dont think leveling 2 more lives is going to be that much of an issue for the completionist set, they have gotten pretty good at it by now.

The Tome issue is really what I don't get. There is no reason why Tomes can't carry over from life to life. I can't see anything particularly unbalancing about them carrying over.

From a financial standpoint....I can say that personally I will never buy another tome, or set of them from the DDO store on a character that I intend on TR'ing....which at this point is all of them.

I used to purchase the one that gives +2 to all stats for each of the characters I was serious about, but I will never again knowing that it is temporary.

[markusthelion]

I don't have completionist and I don't care to have completionist.

You don't want to win ddo? ;)

[Emizand]

You don't want to win ddo? ;)

Apparently you can pay to win now. ;-)

[KillEveryone]

You don't want to win ddo? ;)

You loose when you go for completionist because when a new class comes out, any tomes you've put into that character is gone and you have to start that grind over.

To TR, you either buy a heart, hope a hart is looted in a chest, or use epic tokens. You will loose more than tomes.

You will never win DDO. ;)

[Braqe]

I don't have completionist and I don't care to have completionist.

lol why would you even post in this thread if thats all you had to say?

[KillEveryone]

lol why would you even post in this thread if thats all you had to say?

Hello pot, I'm kettle.

[Uska]

lol why would you even post in this thread if thats all you had to say?

why not:confused:

[SirShen]

You are going to hate it more when you find out there is going to be 2 classes.

[Cetus]

I strongly doubt that a developer will touch this thread, they've been ignoring completionists for months now.

[Sirslapemsack]

There's also the option of buying a +1 Lesser HoW and changing your current level 20 ex-Completionist to [newclass] then TRing into Completionist again. Saves time of having to get to level 20 twice.

Given that there are no alignment restriction on the class you plan on LRing into :)

[Nagantor]

Developers thought about it, why do you think passive past life feats stack up to three times. ;-)

[Memnir]

It really shouldn't come as a surprise - it's pretty clearly labeled.

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Completionist
Usage: Passive
You win DDO! You've leveled to 20 in every class, and for your effort you can take this feat to get a +2 bonus to all skills and ability scores. When more classes are added, this feat will deactivate and you will need to gain those past lives before this benefit reactivates.

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I would have thought that anyone gunning for completionist would have already had a plan to deal with new classes from the get-go. Personally, I think this is one more reason why the Feat itself should be free.

[Purgatory]

It really shouldn't come as a surprise - it's pretty clearly labeled.

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http://content.turbine.com/sites/compendium.ddo.com/images/icons/feat/feat_reincarnation_pastlife_completionist.png (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Feat:Completionist)
Completionist
Usage: Passive
You win DDO! You've leveled to 20 in every class, and for your effort you can take this feat to get a +2 bonus to all skills and ability scores. When more classes are added, this feat will deactivate and you will need to gain those past lives before this benefit reactivates.

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I would have thought that anyone gunning for completionist would have already had a plan to deal with new classes from the get-go.
I was suppose to have a plan?

[roryk27]

You are going to hate it more when you find out there is going to be 2 classes.

Shr plz

[Memnir]

I was suppose to have a plan?Well, maybe plan is too strong a word.
But I believe maybe you could have given it a passing thought or two, knowing from the outset that new classes were coming eventually and how that'd effect your completionist alt(s).

[Beld]

I dont think leveling 2 more lives is going to be that much of an issue for the completionist set, they have gotten pretty good at it by now.

The Tome issue is really what I don't get. There is no reason why Tomes can't carry over from life to life. I can't see anything particularly unbalancing about them carrying over.

From a financial standpoint....I can say that personally I will never buy another tome, or set of them from the DDO store on a character that I intend on TR'ing....which at this point is all of them.

I used to purchase the one that gives +2 to all stats for each of the characters I was serious about, but I will never again knowing that it is temporary.

So, you keep your gear, but EVERYTHING about your old character is wiped away and you start anew, thus, very good reason tomes don't stay. If you are going to TR, either don't eat tomes, or have a plan/farm to get new ones for your next life.

This is a known mechanic from the beginning of the TR life-cycle, and as such, should not come as a surprise. Having a TR or 2 myself, one of which I had a couple of +3 tomes on, there is a trade-off, but with the past life feats and using all your gear, this really would be more unbalancing as TR characters are already way OP when measured against first life toons of the same level.

[mournbladereigns]

You need to be mostly the class you want the Pastlife for, so a +1 won't cut it unless you use a bunch of them; likely 10 or 11 of them. And they won't work at all if you have at least 2 levels in 3 classes.

Actually it will, but its even more expensive, as you have to change the 3rd class to one of the other two classes, and LR again to change one of the two classes into the new class. Then if you really really want, you can change a few levels back to third class. Nothing that 4 or 5 +3 hearts won't let you do.

[Newbie]

A +1 heart only allows you to change your class once for one level. I really doubt that having one level of the new class will qualify for completionist. More like you would need 2 +5's, a +3 and a few weeks to get back completionist.

plus you still lose your +4 tome.

[TheDjinnFor]

I was suppose to have a plan?

Yeah, like banking a full set (or whatever individual tomes you need) of +3/+4 tomes and only using one for your current iteration when you get a copy of it of greater or equal power for your next iteration.

I know a completionist wizard who has +3 Con, +3 Con, +3 Int, +4 Int, and +3 Cha sitting in his bank and has eaten a +3 int and +3 con. He loses nothing on his completionist that he doesn't immediately get back.

And, of course, better start working on that Arty build.

[Extispex]

I've heard that there is going to be a new class introduced. per the feat description of completionist it will deactivate upon the introduction of the new class.

How many other people are not looking forward to this?

At least completionists will get a free feat respec.