Making Favor TR Friendly

[Almagnus1]

So, one of the biggest reasons NOT to TR one of my characters is the massive amount of favor, and thus the massive amount of quests, that he has completed. This is not good, because the more times I can TR, the more money Turbine will make from me as I am likely to spend TP on stuff as I relevel.

Suprisingly, none of what's been said so far hasn't been said already, and probably in more threads than I dare to count.

So the easiest way to change favor to be more TR friendly is to have favor stick with you through TR. However, to make it so that favor system isn't completely trivialized, the amount of favor between ranks, and the number of ranks, need to be increased, so it's pretty easy to get to the lower ranks, but it takes longer to get to the higher ranks.

To prevent people from wanting to shoot their computers, their current favor progression should be mapped to the new system, so if they're halfway through Pious with the Silver Flame right now, they'll be at the same position after the update.

The other change to accommodate this new way to earn favor would be with the current quest system. We'd need another column on the Adventure Tab in the Adventure compendium for Progress, effectively one for the current life, and one as the highest ever achieved. This would allow those of us who want to complete all the quests on all the difficulties the ability to work on that achievement over many lifetimes, without resetting our progress as you TR.

This change would affect the quests, thought. For favor gained in this lifetime, it would still be based off of highest difficulty level of the quest you completed this life. However, the difficulty selection would be based off of the lifetime record. So if you complete all the quests in an area on elite in a past life - you could start the quests on elite in the new life without needing to complete the normal and hard modes for them, assuming the quest isn't a solo. This would enable you, on a new life, to take on all the quests in Korthos on Elite the first time you run them, because you have already unlocked Elite for the character previously.

So.... Thoughts?

[Rumbaar]

Not sure how this would work. I don't mind getting the 25 points every 100 again.

I also don't mind having to grind the 150 Coin, House K etc to get stuff back. I just have to remember to get the House P Time Trinket and Silver flame blessing and other stuff again before TRing the next time.

Most of the benefits of the favor can be taken with you on a TR and the others are easy to get. You also get the benefit of more TP as you level.

[knightgf]

Frankly, I think this is worse than the current idea of NPC favor atm. I like the current NPC favor as it is, there's very few if any problems with it now.

However, some additions to the favor system would be nice, such as a recurring bonus to TP gained from favor if your character is a TR(It would be small, but yet worth getting, and the bonus increases up to your second TR), and maybe a 'favor history' to see how much favor you have gained in previous lives.

Oh, and a ACTUAL reward for getting 250 twelve favor(There's plenty on the list that could be added; a unbound(or bound, if your really picky) heart of wood, a +3 or +4 tome, a HUGE ingredients bag, astral diamonds, epic tokens, a turn in for a free epic component, exc.)

[MRH]

I like to re-hit favor rewards, multiple collapsed holes, tomes for 1750 favor , etc...

So to TR and start your favor where you left off , you are missing on all kinds of goodies again, not to mention the 25 tp's per 100 favor.

What is needed is rewards for the rewardless higher level favor gained.

[licho]

I like it as it is.
Im premium so each tr is for me new pack +2 tome for new life.
Sure there is some mess about redoing house K or coin lord but the second is very easy to achieve, and house K is not so horrible.

The only thing i would complain is a 30 min timer on some buffs, what makes them very hard to use in classic PUG.
I would prefer 1h buffs from house p and j. And maybe some other spells to mixture from higher levels. (like 30 elemental res)

[RumbIe]

Can you still buy Yugo pots after you TR or do you need to get the favor for them again? That to me is the biggest pain.

[dodger72]

I like to re-hit favor rewards, multiple collapsed holes, tomes for 1750 favor , etc...

So to TR and start your favor where you left off , you are missing on all kinds of goodies again, not to mention the 25 tp's per 100 favor.

What is needed is rewards for the rewardless higher level favor gained.

^^this^^

[Ilundel]

Hmmm, seeing as I am FTP and that my only source of TP income comes from 100 favor rewards, I say a big no to having favor just blindly stick through TR. If they changed it to stick through TR, i'd expect them to figure out a way to still tab it up on the current life and give rewards for every 100 like they do, yet keep the highest total of favor for any given quest through all lives be the total that is accounted for your favor rewards (to the exception of the 25 TP for every 100 favor you earn)

[Uska]

I prefer it as is I get some tp along the way

[Uska]

Can you still buy Yugo pots after you TR or do you need to get the favor for them again? That to me is the biggest pain.

gonna need the favor again

[mournbladereigns]

So, one of the biggest reasons NOT to TR one of my characters is the massive amount of favor, and thus the massive amount of quests, that he has completed. This is not good, because the more times I can TR, the more money Turbine will make from me as I am likely to spend TP on stuff as I relevel.

Suprisingly, none of what's been said so far hasn't been said already, and probably in more threads than I dare to count.

So the easiest way to change favor to be more TR friendly is to have favor stick with you through TR. However, to make it so that favor system isn't completely trivialized, the amount of favor between ranks, and the number of ranks, need to be increased, so it's pretty easy to get to the lower ranks, but it takes longer to get to the higher ranks.

To prevent people from wanting to shoot their computers, their current favor progression should be mapped to the new system, so if they're halfway through Pious with the Silver Flame right now, they'll be at the same position after the update.

The other change to accommodate this new way to earn favor would be with the current quest system. We'd need another column on the Adventure Tab in the Adventure compendium for Progress, effectively one for the current life, and one as the highest ever achieved. This would allow those of us who want to complete all the quests on all the difficulties the ability to work on that achievement over many lifetimes, without resetting our progress as you TR.

This change would affect the quests, thought. For favor gained in this lifetime, it would still be based off of highest difficulty level of the quest you completed this life. However, the difficulty selection would be based off of the lifetime record. So if you complete all the quests in an area on elite in a past life - you could start the quests on elite in the new life without needing to complete the normal and hard modes for them, assuming the quest isn't a solo. This would enable you, on a new life, to take on all the quests in Korthos on Elite the first time you run them, because you have already unlocked Elite for the character previously.

So.... Thoughts?

If you can grind out 4.3 million xp, you can grind out some fav. Most of it you don't particularly need anyway. Coin Lord, House K, Twelve, Argo, and if you want yugo pots, Yugoloth. House P/D/Free agents are fairly optional. And as others have said, you can get the house P trinket, and other goodies from your previous lives. Your gonna be doing most of the quests for xp anyway, and on elite at least once. So it's not really an extra burden. Plus more tp for your bunghole!

so /notsigned.

[Memnir]

Maybe there could be a different way to look at Favor and TRing...

Perhaps when you TR, you could gain Favor at a slightly increased rate - say an extra 2% for the first three lives, maybe. A kind of, "You remind me of someone I used to know... I think I like you already," sort of thing from the patrons. This way, you'd still start over, but the Favor grind would be a tad more painless - and it'd be a small way to mitigate the XP grind knowing you can hit the Favor benchmarks sooner.


Just a thought, and maybe not a totally coherent one. I may revisit this after I've had some coffee.

[Bobthesponge]

/not signed

Favor is not that difficult for a TR to get. I always hit 1750 naturally while leveling and the tome is a nice bonus. Once you have unlocked/bought FvS there is no reason to push for 2500.

As for specific favor rewards, as a TR you should have no issues running a chain on elite to get them. When I am TRing I always deviate from the "quickest to 20" path to get coin lord and house K favor for the backpack and bank slots. (Sadly, house P favor is not as useful any more because in my guild ship buffs are better than the resists that can be bought, my TR already has a pendent of time and I am generally already twinked with +4 stat items. A 30 minute jump is useful but rarely essential.)

The only one that is difficult to get is Yugo as that requires Elite Amrath, but still doable solo by a geared TR.

When you are TRing you are NOT the same person, just a reincarnation of the same soul. That is enough for bound items to recognise you but should not mean you get favor, tomes (another easy button argument that happens a lot), XP and so forth.

[Almagnus1]

Following the OP, what if the overall favor still had the same thresholds for the various overall favor rewards (Drow, 32 Point Build, etc), also gave you TP every 100 points (or whatever the increment is), but the total wouldn't reset, allowing you to work towards the favor rewards over the course of many lifetimes.

Would this addition/amendment to the OP make the suggestion more desirable?

If not, what would?