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Yan_PL
07-21-2011, 07:36 AM
Benefit: Your further studies into war have granted you another +2 bonus to your Intimidate skill, for a total of +6. You have also grown more resilient, gaining a further +10 maximum hit points, and can gain further improvements to your single martial weapon proficiency you possess Weapon Focus in. You have ability to expend 20 hp for Vicious Intimidating scream. You also gain the ability to expend a use of Bardic Music to grant all nearby allies Song of Rage, or bestow Song of Hate upon single ally. You may possess only one prestige enhancement line at a time for each class.

Bard: Warchanter <Weapon> training II
AP Cost: 1.
requires Warchanter <weapon> Training I with the same weapon
gives improved critical with that weapon.

Vicious Intimidating Scream = Intimidate for 20 HP, on separate timer. think half-elven social graces + Frenzied Barb supreme cleave.

Inspire Rage
Benefit: Expend a use of Bardic Music to give the effects of the Rage spell to all nearby allies for 2 minute plus 6 seconds per Caster level. As a non-magical effect, this song cannot be removed by dispel magic or antimagic.

Inspire Hate
Benefit: Expend a use of Bardic Music to give single ally +30 % morale bonus (stacking) to melee threat for 1 minute plus 6 seconds per Caster level. As a non-magical effect, this song cannot be removed by dispel magic or antimagic.



and possibly, heavy armor prof + ability to cast spells in heavy armors with no ASF.

Infant
07-21-2011, 07:47 AM
Hmm... don't see IC for one weapon being so useful. If it would grant IC at least for the same weapon type you took Weapon Focus in, then it would be great.

As for the songs: The hate song I think is good. However the Rage song is kinda meh. Undispellable rage is nice against beholders, but not that big of a bonus after all, imho. A Haste song would be probably too OP...

Infant

Samadhi
07-21-2011, 07:57 AM
Hmm... don't see IC for one weapon being so useful. If it would grant IC at least for the same weapon type you took Weapon Focus in, then it would be great.



It fits the theme pretty well and would save a feat slot for a lot of builds (i.e. the ones that are using the WCII bonus for their primary proficiency anyway).

Yan_PL
07-21-2011, 08:00 AM
Hmm... don't see IC for one weapon being so useful. If it would grant IC at least for the same weapon type you took Weapon Focus in, then it would be great.

As for the songs: The hate song I think is good. However the Rage song is kinda meh. Undispellable rage is nice against beholders, but not that big of a bonus after all, imho. A Haste song would be probably too OP...

InfantAs for rage, 2 minutes + 6 per level + bard song duration enhancements should beat the rage duration, too. But it would be even cooler if it granted Greater Rage (+4Str/Con -2 AC) instead; this on the other hand would seem OP.

Chette
07-21-2011, 08:01 AM
If warchanter is going to continue to give bards bonuses to intimidate they need to make intimidate a class skill. It's really silly the way it is right now.

Musouka
07-21-2011, 09:33 AM
If warchanter is going to continue to give bards bonuses to intimidate they need to make intimidate a class skill. It's really silly the way it is right now.

Like Fire Savants?

TDarkchylde
07-21-2011, 09:41 AM
I'd suggest that Warchanter 3 allow the player to gain one additional proficiency for a weapon they have Weapon Focus in, but only for light weapons. Throw the TWFers a bone here.

(This from a TWF 20 Bard who gets slightly annoyed at having to Master's Touch about seven different kukris per shrine.) :p