such a waste of a good thing.

[ainmosni]

this ship

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x7/minkomadnes/3bc1.jpg?t=1310868952


serves no purpose whatsoever.


someone spent hours coding a ship that got beached during a hurricane that does nothing other than look awesome and provide a bit of immersion in the game.

that's not the problem. ok, let me be more clear.

i bought 3bc a long (ish) time ago and have never stepped into the pack in my life. never even considered it.

i walk in, see a bar, and like ok cool, another tangleroot. sounds.... bleh.

walk outside, small town area. hmm, cool. ***? slayer objective? ok ill bite. i expect to find a small, underdeveloped area with a few forgettable quests that serves its purpose as filler content when you get bored of the ringleader-delera2-tear-von3-shadow crypt-gh-necro-vale-dd-CAP!(rinse and repeat as desired) grind. i step out into the explorer area and find myself wandering around for at least an hour exploring every little corner of a chain i forgot existed till i accidentally found it while aimlessly wandering bored around house K.

it is absolutely the most well-constructed and most immersive explorer area ive experienced since playing ddo, and it brought back some nostalgia and curiosity to just find out what's in the blackened area of the map that i havent experienced since i first saw the volcano rising in the distance of searing heights and wanting nothing more than to climb to the peak and see what's up there.

it is such a shame that no one runs this- it's not great xp according to people ive asked, and even if it were there is so much content that is more efficient to run and not so out of the way that there's no point to go out there.

no great items that drop from the quests out there either.

i dont know where im going with this post- id recommend doing something about this chain, making it better xp, increasing the level of the quests (the 'dead zone' around level 16-17 would be perfect), making some awesome lowbie gear drop there, something to make this pack worth the money spent to create it.

it's an insult to the designers of the pack.

make it worth running somehow, and people will be more apt to run it, and therefore love ddo more. new players will eat this kind of stuff up, it has a hell of a lot of appeal.

and for those of you who may say, "it's worth running just to experience running", this is absolutely true- i dont disagree. but from the days i started playing ddo, to the day i bought the pack likely just because it was on sale and i figured id need the free tb points at some point, to the day i actually happened to step in, i have never considered going in (well, other than for free tb points).

word of mouth has dictated whats good to run for most of my ddo career. when you first join, it's like 'i want to run everything!' but this quickly evolves to 'what pack should i buy?', 'what drops there?', and of course the infamous 'how much xp/min?'.

i know what im doing for my next tr- every quest in the game on elite. forget grinding. i get enough of that every 3 days trying to stop some a-hole from doing something about a moon or something. destroy the world. whatever. gimme scales.

[LordPiglet]

I think it's well known that 3bc is very much a wasted area and in need of improvements (quest xp and reward) even by the devs.

[HelvanderSeries6]

Its too bad really as it doesn't need much.

[KillEveryone]

I do wish some loving to 3BC came sooner than later.

It is the only explorer area that I truly like.

I like all the quests out there.

This is just a great area but hard to find groups.

[azrael4h]

Yep. A good reason to run it would be fine, either lowbie gear, improved xp, or bumping it up to a higher level so that it mitigates the TR grind some. Most everything else is great about this pack, but at level 5-7 there are far better options for loot, xp, favor, or time investment. I've taken to just running the explorer area on each character, but that's still doing the pack a injustice.

[DoctorWhofan]

You should have seen it before it's current form.

[Memnir]

It's one of the best looking areas in the game. Keeper did work that was just phenomenal. But, there simply is no reason to wander there... sad really.

[voodoogroves]

It's hard to get to ...
- improve the to/from for the appropriate level folks at a basic level
- make sure the explorer-zone airship navigator can port you there
- put an airship dock there so you can take your airship out

Looks great, content is lacking
- favor, xp or items ... that's why we run quests
- maybe, as you suggest, some higher level quests as well

[Ravoc-DDO]

Reseed it with new items & epic it.

[fco-karatekid]

Reseed it with new items & epic it.

I participated in another thread saying almost exactly what's been posted in here.

IIRC, however, noone mentioned Epic-ing this chain, and that is a great idea.

Of course without basic items or epic items for the epic runs; it will continue to be unloved.

I seriously believe some gear to compete with chronoscope lowbie gear (not necessarily beat, but comparable) would get us in there, at least for a time. Problem is, if it's BTA, people will run until they get a couple copies and then stop running it. Maybe BTC?

[voodoogroves]

I participated in another thread saying almost exactly what's been posted in here.

IIRC, however, noone mentioned Epic-ing this chain, and that is a great idea.

Of course without basic items or epic items for the epic runs; it will continue to be unloved.

I seriously believe some gear to compete with chronoscope lowbie gear (not necessarily beat, but comparable) would get us in there, at least for a time. Problem is, if it's BTA, people will run until they get a couple copies and then stop running it. Maybe BTC?

BTC.

No reason they couldn't be the level 4 or 8 Crystal Cove items ... those are already defined and in the game.

Not a fan of epic-ing, unless they were made non-dumb. It wouldn't be a bad spot to put generic mats that could upgrade low-level Crystal Cove to epic.

[redoubt]

Some folks mentioned that it competes with lots of other low level quests.

I wonder how hard it would be to bump that area into 15-17 level quests and explorer.

Fit it in around the same time and gianthold and the orchard...

[Ganolyn]

It's one of the best looking areas in the game. Keeper did work that was just phenomenal. But, there simply is no reason to wander there... sad really.


Yeah, 'cause "just for fun" isn't in this game's player vocabulary. Everything has to be turned into a job or it's not worth the effort at all.

[dingal]

Since I First Saw The Volcano Rising In The Distance Of Searing Heights And Wanting Nothing More Than To Climb To The Peak And See What's Up There.

Larp Nerd!!!!!!

[Memnir]

Yeah, 'cause "just for fun" isn't in this game's player vocabulary. Everything has to be turned into a job or it's not worth the effort at all.I do play just for fun.

But, the 3BC zone still is missing something beyond amazing scenery.

The quests are average, at best - and an unfortunate side-effect of the remodel out there was that it made the quests a pain to get to. The XP and the favor are also fairly unremarkable. After a few spins around the zone and having seen all there is to see - there is simply no incentive to go back.

It just kinda slips my mind to even visit 3BC, because it has nothing that stands out beyond a really cool zone. And frankly, that zone, and Keeper's awesome work there, is pretty much wasted. As I said before... sad.

[katz]

/agree with your post, and /signed, for what it's worth...

and



...i get enough of that every 3 days trying to stop some a-hole from doing something about a moon or something. destroy the world. whatever. gimme scales.

made me LOL so hard

+1 to you sir

[simo0208]

I run 3bc when there's some sort of event going on (crystal cove, festivus, etc) that gives benefits in killing monsters or in chests. It makes it a little more worthwhile at level 8 on elite. I run it once, get the explorers and any rares that happen to come by and then file it away.

I do like the quests, and I do like the area (though it is a bit large for what it's worth). I don't like the xp or the loot.

[ainmosni]

Some folks mentioned that it competes with lots of other low level quests.

I wonder how hard it would be to bump that area into 15-17 level quests and explorer.

Fit it in around the same time and gianthold and the orchard...

gianthold->orchard = level 13-14, and LOTD/Missing series is 15. Vale is 16, but that's all you have at that level. no, im serious. every level 16 quest in the game is in the vale of twilight.

im suprised you didnt know that, or at least check before failing your sarcasm check.

[ainmosni]

Larp Nerd!!!!!!

i like to dress up as an elf prince while i sit playing ddo. and speak in a high-pitched british accent.

[dingal]

i like to dress up as an elf prince while i sit playing ddo. and speak in a high-pitched british accent.

oh deeyah it's tha queeeeeen

[Dysmetria]

word of mouth has dictated whats good to run for most of my ddo career. when you first join, it's like 'i want to run everything!' but this quickly evolves to 'what pack should i buy?', 'what drops there?', and of course the infamous 'how much xp/min?'.Perhaps instead of letting people dictate what you should run, you should instead decide for yourself. Not everyone worries about drops or xp/min or what packs to buy. Some just play certain quests because they like them, or haven't done them and don't care about loot or xp.

[ainmosni]

Perhaps instead of letting people dictate what you should run, you should instead decide for yourself. Not everyone worries about drops or xp/min or what packs to buy. Some just play certain quests because they like them, or haven't done them and don't care about loot or xp.

i think you misunderstood what i mean.

no one tells me 'you are going to run this'. but when choosing adventure packs to buy people suggest 'you get good xp and great loot from x quest pack, it's a must have' and that's what you go with.

when you're a new player who doesnt want to buy every pack in the game you buy what people suggest is the better option, otherwise you're gonna be asking for a lot of guest passes to decide what you like most for yourself.

not VIP either.

and after a while, running x quest for y item just becomes habit.

[sirgog]

Reseed it with new items & epic it.

This.

[Tirisha]

/hug 3bc

[Kromize]

it's not great xp

no great items that drop from the quests out there either.


I'd also like to add that it's obscure, I'm not even sure how to get out there anymore... You literally have to stumble upon it to realize it's there.

And so nobody runs it, unless for fun.

You can blame the devs for that one...

[Burtle]

I'd also like to add that it's obscure, I'm not even sure how to get out there anymore... You literally have to stumble upon it to realize it's there.

And so nobody runs it, unless for fun.

You can blame the devs for that one...

There are two different ways for those of you who DON'T know how to get to TBC...
1.the boat at the docks in the Harbor allows access to both TBC and Ataraxias,
2. and there's Evi Joss at the boat dock in House Denieth just below Brother Miriashi (the one u talk to for Greymoon/Co6/Sorrowdusk S/R/E).

[Cendaer]

You should have seen it before it's current form.

Only place left that I know of, to do that, is here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=148429

ahhhh... memories! :)


I hope Three Barrel Cove gets some TLC soon. All it needs are just a few tweaks to xp and loot. The explorer area and quests are just fine, IMO (even tho there's a certain set of ladders [you know the one's I'm talking about!] that I still hate, even tho I've mastered them); everything looks good, the quests are engaging and have interesting maps.

BUT

The only reasons to go there are: favor points or to enjoy the scenery.

There's nothing for notable loot or xp.

In short: nice flavor (although it could use an overall story-arc to tie all the quests in the area together), but it's just not filling.

My first instinct, is to suggest giving it a story-arc with a one-shot end-reward that completes a set of items, since that seems to be the prevailing pattern of development.

If not that, then leave it as it is, and make it a free area (though, lowering the xp rewards might be deemed necessary).

[Burtle]

You know...I just might start my new lvl 4 out there... instead of the typical Harbor/MP grind..just to see how well an at lvl toon could do out there... explorer and questing..

[whitehawk74]

Honestly, I think with a small amount of tweaking the devs could really increase the traffic in 3 Barrel Cove. It's a wonderful area and really great looking too.
The quests are nice and they vary a lot.
One problem I've always had is the travelling distance, its just so **** big so they would probably need a teleporter there because its such a low level quest. Perhaps a guy (or Minotaur) there that will send you to certain areas like Giant Hold does.
Nicer loot and better XP.

and advertise it while Crystal Cove is running.
(and fix that one wooden crate where they messed up the UV mapping - every time I see it I cringe)

[ainmosni]

Honestly, I think with a small amount of tweaking the devs could really increase the traffic in 3 Barrel Cove. It's a wonderful area and really great looking too.
The quests are nice and they vary a lot.
One problem I've always had is the travelling distance, its just so **** big so they would probably need a teleporter there because its such a low level quest. Perhaps a guy (or Minotaur) there that will send you to certain areas like Giant Hold does.
Nicer loot and better XP.

and advertise it while Crystal Cove is running.
(and fix that one wooden crate where they messed up the UV mapping - every time I see it I cringe)

sands could use a teleporter too. ecof..... ugh

[Gremmlynn]

There are two different ways for those of you who DON'T know how to get to TBC...
1.the boat at the docks in the Harbor allows access to both TBC and Ataraxias,
2. and there's Evi Joss at the boat dock in House Denieth just below Brother Miriashi (the one u talk to for Greymoon/Co6/Sorrowdusk S/R/E).Three ways actually. The travel agent at the House K docks also gives the Ataraxia/3BC choice.

[Burtle]

Three ways actually. The travel agent at the House K docks also gives the Ataraxia/3BC choice.
oh yea... forgot about that one... (prolly cuz I don't go to Ataraxia's anymore since I capped my ranger :p )

[CaptainPurge]

I find Ghost of a Chance to be xp/min worthy to window. The rest of 3BC is eye candy and no worthy loot.